Jennifer Holliday - Complete

Sarah and Sandy discuss a car mishap they had while recording their podcast. They then begin discussing the story of Jennifer Holiday, a paramedic who was attacked by a man named Eric Parnell. Parnell followed Jennifer and her cousin Anna in his truck, shot at their vehicle, and ultimately killed Anna. The details of the attack and Parnell's background are discussed. Welcome to Sarah's and Schemes. I'm Sam and I'm Sandy. This is a true crime and conspiracy podcast. Our podcast is intended for mature audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome back to Sarah's and Schemes. I'm Sam and I'm Sandy. How are you doing? Good. How are you? Good. I noticed that you didn't bring your car today. Do you want to discuss what happened the last time we were here recording our podcast? So the first time you came here, to be fair, actually, Sam gave me instructions and I could have avoided the kind of drama it turned into. But I pulled into the wrong driveway of this shared driveway of this Airbnb and put my car in park. I'm trying to unload the car and Sam comes out and she's like, you parked in the wrong driveway, mate. She just parked in the middle of the driveway. No, no, no. I was on the proper side of the driveway. Oh, you mean like mid-section? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like midway up the top of the driveway. I said to her, you can park just behind my car and just avoid the garage. On that side of the driveway, there's no fucking garage. I know, but I literally thought that was your car that I was going to park. You're like, yeah, this is your car, right? But also, when we spoke on the phone that morning, you said to go onto the tiled driveway. I thought you said, don't come onto the tiled driveway. And then I was like, OK, I'm in the right spot. This must be her car. I didn't think that's her car. I should park next to her. Sam comes out. She's like, you're in the wrong spot. I'll take your shit down. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'll just move the car into the right space. And then I put the car into reverse. And I got up the driveway. It was quite steep. And the car has resistance. And this happens. I'm in a low car. I thought nothing of it. It is steep, but it's steeper coming in, and then it levels a little bit out. So when you go up, it's kind of like a real sharp... And that happens all the time. So I was like, cool, I'll just turn my wheels. Because that's what usually I need to do in my fucking vehicle. And then I turn the wheels. There's resistance again. And I was like, weird. And you had a big clunky noise or something. Yeah, so then at this point, I was like, I'll turn the wheels the other way. And then I'll put it into reverse. I put it in reverse. And I felt resistance. I was like, up the hill, whatever. I'll just push through it. I push through it, and then you hear this horrible grinding, crunching, fucking... It was a horrific noise. It was like a car version of a band sheet, I feel like. It's the worst sound you want to hear when you're in your car. The first thing I did was turn the music down. I was like, wait. Wait, what was that? I was like, was that a drum and bass? Or was that my car fucking up? So yeah, I put my car into drive, went further down, tried to reverse again. Same crunching noise. Oh, next minute, the car that you did park behind, it's like, you need to move your car. Yeah, and I was like... Yeah, that's what we're trying to do. Well, I went up to her and I explained the situation, and she was like, can you move your car, though? And I was like, well, no, that's the fucking premise of the story. I was like, I would love to move my car. I would love to be able to put it in reverse right now. Theoretically, yeah, I can. Do you want to get behind the car while I chuck it in neutral? You fucking push it. And so she was like, oh, I get it. So I was like, can you not just go around onto the next driveway? And she was like, oh, yeah, I guess I could do it. I was like, so just do the thing. So Sam and I were like, well... She did a slow drive past and looked at both of us to see if we were stupid. Yeah, and I was like, are you stupid? No, but they were... Her family, who helped us, was actually just really nice and helpful. But yeah, we ended up driving the car to the bottom of the driveway because we thought, the car still goes into drive, so we'll just drive it to the bottom, put it in neutral, push it. And then the neighbours were like, oh, but if you put it in neutral and push it, the car decides, hey, look, I'm not working anymore. We're blocking this 85-year-old man's only entrance, essentially. And so, yeah, we had to call AA. I got given the tow, thankfully, from one of the neighbours. And my driveshaft was broken. It just decided that it was done that day. Apparently, there was nothing I could have done differently. It was just... Oh, what a fuck. Made me feel better, though. Made me feel better, though. But it wasn't your fault. Because my man was, like, hot. He was angry about it. He was so funny, though. He was like, look, I'm going to be calm. Okay, what else can you be? Well, his automatic reaction to any kind of stress is just anger. Oh, yeah, I'm the same. Yeah, he's like, why does this have to happen? Like, he just goes into that place. Whereas I'm like, oh, why does this have to happen? Let me be the damsel in distress instead of making it worse for me. Also, like, I am just a girl. And this is no disrespect to women, but I'm one of those women who you said the word car and my brain turns off. The car, you put the key in and the car works. That's all that needs to happen. You don't need to worry about anything else. Don't tell me about driveshaft, transmission. I don't fucking know. I don't want to know what that means. I'm just a girl. Thank you very much. Oh, my God. Yep. But anyway, that was a long diversion from today's case. Nice that it was, uh... Yeah, I just... No. It was nice that I can continue my long reign as passenger princess. Yeah. Yeah, no, it went all right. We were both late. I love it. At least you can't be like, Where are you? Still in bed, mate. Yeah. Well, you turn up at the same time, but there's no arguing. It always felt great. All right, guys, I'm going to be telling you the story of Jennifer Holiday today and her terrifying attack. This woman is badass. Like, I can't... Honestly, badass. So I'll start just with how it all happened, but by the end, you're like, like, wow, she knew what she was up to. Okay, so Jennifer Holiday was a paramedic or EMT, depending on what you want to... Where you're from. And she'd gone out in the early hours of May 29th, 2005 to pick up her 18-year-old cousin, Anna Franklin, after her babysitting job. The pair were from East Texas, Anna being from Garrison and Jennifer being from Luskin, which they're pretty much... They're in the same vicinity. On their way home, they made a quick stop at a convenience store, jumped back into the 27-year-old Jennifer Holiday's Ford Explorer, got back on the road. The woman quickly noticed that the truck that had been parked at the convenience store when they were there was now following them. And I think what they say, like, this isn't related to what they did, but if you feel like someone's following you, you should do, like, three left turns, and if they're still following you, then they are following you. Yeah, you're off to the cop station. So for four miles, the truck driver drove closely behind them, and then out of nowhere, he just shot at the vehicle. The driver, who was 31-year-old Eric Parnell, had been wanted for a drunk driving charge and for failing to appear in court on a family violence charge. He was the father of one, and one on the way with his ex-girlfriend, Simmons. They had a volatile and rocky relationship, but she never phoned the police, even when Parnell threatened her or struck her by punching, I think, according to the Daily Sentinel. They weren't together at the time. It was the ex, but they kind of, you know, just to get off again. But they also quite cut the ties. Yeah, yeah. So on the evening of the 28th, so the day before this happened, Parnell was at Jimmy's bar off State Highway 94, and he allegedly was served 18 to 20 drinks that night. That's a lot of drinks. But the owner of the bar, Jimmy Goodwin, denies it completely. It's an outright lie. I've never served anyone that many drinks in my career. You would just have alcohol poisoning. Oh. Yeah. You'd clearly be a mess. You'd have to be like a giant. Even if you can handle your alcohol, you can't at that many. You'd have to be a giant to be standing straight. Yeah. I'm not an alcoholic. There's no way. So yeah, according to the Luskin Daily News, that was a lie. Jimmy's never served that many drinks in his career. But, you know, I don't know where that sort of came from, but that's just alleged. In any case, Parnell was kicked out of the bar before midnight for bothering a couple of female patrons. He was escorted out by Goodwin's wife and claims that Parnell was alright when he left the bar. At 3.29am on May 29th, 2005, after trying to call his ex a few times and not getting through, Parnell called and woke up Kenneth Sand, which was Simmons's stepfather, and asked to speak to Simmons. Sand wouldn't wake his daughter, stating that she had to be up at 9am. Parnell threatened to kill Sand. Oh, he's like, went on a rant. Watch your back, type thing. Which brings us to opening fire at Jennifer's vehicle while driving on State Highway 69 South near State Highway 7. The blast shattered the vehicle's window and hit Jennifer's arm. There was so much glass in her face and blood everywhere that she decided she needed to pull over. Parnell got out of his vehicle and asked if the girls were alright. What? So, I'll just shoot at you and come check on you. You did alright. Like, I noticed that something's going on. Yeah, I just shot at you guys. You pulled over. You good? We're in a high speed chase. Where do you think you're going? What? So, Anna, that's Jennifer's 18 year old cousin, she starts screaming. She sees the bullet hole in Jennifer's arm and she's like, shit. So she calls 911. Parnell walks back to his truck, comes in, checks on them, and she's like, shit, call 911. Parnell pulls out a shotgun, went back to the vehicle and just point blank shot Anna in the head, killing her instantly. There's some speculation around the girls and where they had seen. So, Jennifer says, we've never seen him before. We had no interactions with him. Some people say that they were at the bar and I'm like thinking, well, this isn't New Zealand. So, legal age is 21 and Anna's only 18. Unlucky that they were at the bar. But Jennifer says they were but they had no interaction with him. And then at the convenience store she said, Anna was just on her phone playing around on her phone or whatever. Maybe talking on her phone. So she had no interaction with Parnell and neither did Jennifer. They went and got their snacks for the road and then got back in. But I think he says, well, you know, they kind of said no. He doesn't like being told no. So, yeah. A few of Simmons, so his ex, his family say, oh, he didn't like being told no. So, for him to do this, they probably said no to him at some point. And he was like, cool, yeah, I'll sort that out. Wow. So Jennifer's bleeding profusely from over 40 shotgun pellet wounds to her body. It's her blood by lions.com. And Parnell drags her to his truck and leaves her there while he tries to pull Anna's body away from the murder scene. Jennifer eyed the shotgun, but knew she only had a short time to make decisions. So she decided to throw his weapon out the window, thinking it was his only weapon. And then she looks around the truck and realises there's gums everywhere. So she got rid of that one. But there's many. The last of all, basically. Yeah. So Parnell gave up trying to move Anna's body and got back into his truck with Jennifer and they drove away. I don't know how far Anna's body is now out of the vehicle. She's obviously too heavy and he's like, no. Just back on to what I was doing in the first place. So here we have like Jennifer bleeding all over the place. But her mind is on five and one, trying to work out how to get out of this situation. Her cousin's been killed. Jennifer has a young son at home. She knows this guy's ruthless. He's literally just shot Anna. No cares, no worries. She's like, survival. How am I going to get out of this? Honestly. That's crazy. It's so random. So random. In that situation, you're already crying. Your cousin's just been killed right in front of you. And you're scared for your life. You're sore. Like her arm is... Yeah. 100%. So they're driving along. Parnell's getting violent, erratic. He's laughing. As in happy laughing, not maniacally laughing, but happy laughing. And then all of a sudden he's raging and hitting Jennifer. And then on some back roads, he pulls over, takes Jennifer into the woods, and raped and tortured her. So clothes are not around anymore. And after this, they got back into the truck. But Jennifer reports Parnell as being a different person than they did. He'd start crying and he'd be like, What happened to your arm? She's like, what the fuck is this loopy bastard? It's like split. And then he'd go back to screaming and raging at her. Honestly, like, loopy. So Jennifer got an idea. And ultimately, this would save her life. This dude is unhinged. Just. But she thinks she can use his psycho to her advantage. In this situation, what would you do? I don't know. I think I'd be, like, trying to get my hands on one of the guns in the car. She had the gun and he's not in the car. But if she knows she's not a good shot, she's just going to make him angry. I know I'm a good shot. I feel like my instinct would be to try. If she had access to that first shotgun while he's busy, I would have opened fire. Also, I don't know anything about guns. I've got guns and I've got good aim. Wouldn't know how to load one. Wouldn't know if it's loaded. Wouldn't know how to turn it on. Shotguns actually, like, I feel like once you learn how to load and dismantle. Is a shotgun like a rifle? Kind of. I think it's heavier. It only shoots one? Yeah. But it's obviously just a spray of bullets. So when you pull that first pump, it is a hard yoink. I'm weak, man. Although you've got adrenaline rushing through you now. And then she's also, her arm is smashed. She couldn't load the shotgun. Actually, in that case, you would remain calm and comply. I remember telling my personal trainer one day, we're working out, and I said, fight or flight? She goes, I would fight. I would turn around and I would fight. I would love to say that that's what I would do. But given someone runs up behind me, I'd lay down and die, honestly. And it was, you know, oh, yeah, easy to say. So the personal trainer and I walking in this little reserve, and we were literally discussing this. And I said, no, no. I would just lay down and die. I would just stand still. There's nothing I can do about it. I'm not going to fight anybody. And I refused to spend the last five minutes of my life running. Never run in my life. Why would I spend the last five minutes of it? No, no, not happening. As we're saying this, as we're talking about this, I hear footsteps behind me. And someone grabs me. And I freeze and just stand there. This bitch, who said she would fight, I am her her, I don't know. She's training me. You're in charge. I'm just young. She runs away. And I was like, you're like a fucking cloaker. I was like, you just threw your young to the wild and you saved yourself. Anyway, it's my husband. Oh, for fuck's sake. You're actually a terrible person for saying it like that. I'm not even joking though. We didn't know he was coming. He had come and I think he was giving me something or he was getting my keys or whatever. But he ran up behind me and I heard the footsteps just before he, and I like I said, I would just stand there and freeze. And I did. I stood there and I went, and he went blah, blah, blah, whatever. She's gone. And she's like, oh, Matt, you bastard. And I was like, where did you go? She's like, I said, oh I would turn around and fight. And she goes, yes, I put myself wrong. For Christmas I literally gave her a mug with a cloaker on it because I was like, the cloakers will sacrifice their young to save themselves. Breathless. That actually reminds me of when I went to Spokane with all my friends for the first time. We were going to the cornfields. Listen, it's pretty scary. You're innocently walking through this horrifically dark and scary place. And then you hear the chainsaws and in front of us was a couple. How did the chainsaws go? I would say it was a really friendly chainsaw. I would have just liked to be one. And there's this couple in front of us who are walking hand in hand and the girl gets scared. And then you hear the footsteps of the guy with the, you know, I'm not going to do it again, the chainsaw. And he's got her hand and he literally throws her hand and bam, man's gone. And we ended up walking with the I was like, he thought shit's great after this because he showed that he does not, well not doesn't give a fuck, but he kind of didn't give a fuck. Yeah, he did the Quokka. He was like, bye Mrs. New Kids and you can get fucked up by that chainsaw, not me. I was the same at Spokane though. I've been once, so I don't need to go again. Have I been more than once? No, I haven't. I've probably been like four times. We went and we went to that dentist room and I was like, nah. The dentist guy's like, come and sit down. Absolutely not, no. And then this little person grabs my, in the hallway, grabs my hair and is like ripping my hair like on the ground and he goes, just say the word because what if he's going to say stop, stop. He said say it and I'm like, nah because I'm a stubborn bitch and I'm like, no. And he goes, just say it, you know what. He's like whispering in my ear like just say it, you know, I'll stop. And I'm like no, I'm not going to. I'm crying. I'm like, leave me alone. And he's like, say the word then. And I'm like, nah. And then finally he's like, okay let me go. And I gap it. Matt's like behind me and I can, I jump on some other guy's back and I'm like, get me out of here. I think he's like, we've got to go. And Matt's like, where are you going? I'm like, I'm out, I'm out. One of the reasons why I know that potentially I would fight in these scenarios is because my first time going to Suza's, my friend and I were going to get in, because it was this good time when we filled the couple, right? And we'd watched a couple videos so that we could like, just manage our emotions. And also just so that we weren't so terrified. This bitch, like five minutes before we were leaving, I'm on edge, I've watched all these fucking videos, we're about to go, and I come out of the bathroom and she jumped shaves me. And the instant, the knee-jerk reaction I had was to pop her nose. I gave my friend a blood nose five minutes before we were going to Suza's. So that's how I know that there's a good percentage of me that I would probably fight back. Yeah. You know why it scares me at spookers? Oh, because we didn't have it wasn't the right season for the corn so we just put her in the woods. Same deal, chainsaws jumping off the building, so I'm trying to view and stuff. But I'm like, they don't have chains on their chainsaws, that's how it's safe. What is stopping some maniac from just bringing a chainsaw and just literally killing people? It would be the prime place to do it. And that's on doing a true crime podcast. Not to mention spookers, sorry guys, spookers is like a haunted house type situation. You've got people dressed up, the best makeup best, especially walking around obviously with chainsaws, knives, making crazy noises. Backing you into places, trying to get you away from the group. Breathing on your neck, touching you. When you said your friend was outside the bathroom, sometimes they're right outside the bathroom. You open the door and you just back your ass back into the bathroom and then you're scared to leave. So it is at, well it's part of King Street, so it's an old mental hospital. Part of the mental hospital is still working. So there is people that literally no wonder they're still bloody there. There's people screaming all weekend from spookers and chainsaws going off. If they used to put me into that mental home I wouldn't be coming out. It still works. Wait, no, no, no, no. Hold on. I've been like four or five times. You were telling me that there's still an active asylum there. I thought it was done. I thought it was just like That is actually more locked up than what it was. Spookers is like in the hospital part where they used to have, obviously people lived there as well, but there was a lot of electric therapy and all that sort of stuff. There's some shit, like there's some dark shit that is still hanging over spookers which is why it works. You feel it the second you step out of your car and you walk into that building especially where they have It works. There's rooms with doctors beds and shit and it's pretty. Those dentist chairs kill me because it's rusty and old school, like 1950s shit. And there's a birthing chair in one of the rooms. There's a chair with spirits and everything. And there's the jars with the pickled eyeballs and the fucking colons and obviously those aren't real but they're just throwing pig stuff. Oh god. Alright well, go to spookers they go to spookers. We're not plugging spookers, we're just saying. I mean I would never go back so that's not a plug. Anyway guys, bringing it back to where we are. Jennifer Holliday at this point is bleeding profusely. She has dozens of shotgun pellets in her arm chest and neck and her mind is racing but she's formulating a plan. Jennifer began talking to Parnell in a calm and affectionate way as he drove. She was convincing him that she really enjoyed her time with him, saying things like, that was great, thank you for this time with you. I don't know if I could stomach doing it. She is a boss. That's extreme. But she could tell that it was working. So when I go back to he's unhinged, like what? So when he would ask about her bleeding she had made out that someone else had done it and Parnell had saved her from him. So she's like, did you see that guy? Did you see him? And he's like, yeah. So he's probably thinking she's crazy. So he was confused for a bit. But she kept telling him, thank you, thank you for saving me. Remember you were going to take me to your house? And he's like, no. No, I didn't remember that. She's like, yeah, because you saved me from that guy. He really hurt me. I'm bleeding. But you were going to take me to your house and get me help. And he's like, oh. So she's persisting and it worked. Eric Parnell began to believe her story and that he had nothing to do with what had happened to her. With this, she was able to move to the next step of her plan and that was to get Parnell to let her use his phone because her phone was being left in the truck when he grabbed her. So, this could have gone all sorts of wrong though. She could have just a slight slip of the tongue and he remembered that it was him. She's gone. Yeah. He could have flipped. But she maintains her composure and she explains that she's like, I'm losing a lot of blood. And he's like, yeah, you're bleeding everywhere. And she's like, yeah, I'm really sorry about that. Are you going to let me use your phone? I really need to call an ambulance. And so, remembering she's an EMT, so she's made herself like a tourniquet, which has slowed the bleeding off of her arm. It's still bleeding. It's slowed it, but it's still happening. And this has been a while. It happened in the truck. Then she waited for, I don't know how long, while he tried to drag in his body. Then they went for a drive. Then he's raped her however long that took and tortured her. Now they're driving again. So I don't know how long it's been, but there's still a bit of blood everywhere. So he didn't want her to call 911 because he had warrants out for his arrest. So he's going, you know, you can... Yeah, you can't. You can't call because they're going to take me. So she kept making up details about this other man who had attacked her and that she needed medical help and that's how now with her hero. Like, you're my hero. No one's going... Your warrants for your arrest are going to be an issue here. You're a hero. So finally he agreed to take Jennifer into his house. And as they pulled in, she noticed that there's a cemetery out the front of it. It's probably like a small cemetery and she's like, no. Like, just crazy. Yeah. So Pinell threatened Jennifer saying that she should stop acting bad and that she would end up like other people have ended up and that he wouldn't be responsible for what happens to her. So she's still coming... He's kind of going back and forth a little bit but ultimately he takes her to the house. She went inside the house terrified because obviously you're walking into his house. You don't know what's there. You don't know what's going to happen. But she walks in, finds his phone and calls 911. And she promised Pinell that she's only asking for an ambulance and not police so, you know, your warrants are safe. So the operator answers the call and lo and behold, this is the same operator that had answered Anna's call from earlier in the night. So the phone went dead when she was on the phone when Anna was on the phone. She's been shot. Phone goes dead and the operator's like... I mean, she's obviously reported it and gone, there's been a gunshot but I don't know where it is. But by this time they have found the car, they've found Anna's body, all that sort of thing. So they know that it's around. Anyway, Jennifer explains that she's had a gunshot wound and that her arm was half off. The operator explains to dispatch. So Jennifer can hear her talking to dispatch and she's like, we've got another gunshot wound to which Jennifer... Same one, same one, same one. And she's the operator's like, you're the same? She's like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah. Please hurry. And so Stephanie Davidson was the operator and she remained on the phone with Jennifer for over an hour while paramedics made their way out to this isolated area that Parnell lived in. Over an hour. They know that this guy has killed somebody and has destroyed Jennifer's arm. It was just like hanging on by a thread. Yeah. By like a tendon or something, I think. Far out. And bleeding everywhere. Yeah. So... Yeah. So and Jennifer's still building up Parnell's ego while she's on the phone like, you're going to be the hero in this story. Everyone's going to be so happy. And he's like, yeah, cool. But she's lost extreme like extreme blood loss at this point. And she can't quite get out how to get to the place. And so she manages to convince Parnell to give the instructions to the operator for the paramedics to find his house. Because it's literally in the middle of nowhere. So he's on the phone literally talking to her and discussing like, yep, this is how you find it. So the paramedics arrive. They can't go in because there's an active issue, you know. So they have to wait for the police officers. The police officers aren't there yet. But Parnell can see the ambulance out there. And then he's like, why aren't they coming in? So he gets a bit like, shifty. He's like, oh, you know, what's happening? And she's like, no, no, they just can't see their way, you know, whatever it is. Eventually, Stephanie Davidson convinced Jennifer to walk out to the ambulance. And Parnell was right behind her. And, sorry, Jennifer Sorry. Parnell was right behind her. Believing at this point that he hadn't shot her, that this other guy had had and he had swooped in to save the day. Wow. She's mad boss. I think to have that kind of headspace to play the mind games, stay calm, like that. She'd feel like she's dying. All that blood. And she's a paramedic. She knows that she could die from, well, anyone's going to know that they could die at this point because this guy's just loopy. But also the blood loss, she knows what's happening, you know, physically as well. And he's like, well, where's your friend that you're with? And she's like, oh, remember, she didn't want to come along. You just wanted to save me because I was hurt. And he's like, oh, yeah, that's right. Anyway, so they're walking out. And Jennifer remembers as they're walking out, she can see things moving in the woods. And she's like, I think I've lost a lot of blood. Like, I can see things. But as her blood by lines took on, she wasn't imagining things. As Jennifer walked away from the property, a SWAT team was out in the woods, rushed in, and rapidly overwhelmed him and took Pinell into custody. She ran to the paramedic. Once she knew that they had him, she ran to the paramedic. She's like, get his clothes off me. Get his clothes off me. Because she used his shirt to make this tourniquet. She's like, get them off me. And she's just like, you'd be sick. You've held it together. And she just let it all out. So, obviously she's taken to hospital. Pinell was charged with first-degree murder, aggravated sexual assault, and kidnapping the next day. And then he pled guilty in December 2005 to avoid the death penalty and was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences in prison, which, of course, it would be. It's not a surprise that, obviously, he got out of life. Yep. Got out of death penalty. Jennifer had an ongoing health struggle, though, as a result of this attack. She lost her job because you can't do, you can't be a paramedic if you've got no working arm. So she kept her arm, but she lost her job, which meant she lost her health benefits. So I don't know how things work in the USA. Obviously, like here, government doesn't just pay for it. We've got ACC, which is a system designed to help us if something happens. And then also, just in general, our health care is free. Isn't it funny they call it, like, Home of the Brave, Land of the Free? Yeah. Something around that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Northeast America don't come from there. Also, though, the ambulance service, I'm assuming it's a government, you know, organisation. You couldn't keep her on the box to help her out. You couldn't put her into, like, an admin role where she kept her health benefits. Dispatch? Yeah. Dispatch is probably a different thing, but again, if it's all government agents that you could swap her into something else. Like, actually, why would you fire her or let her go? Yeah, it's pretty unfortunate. She went into massive debt, couldn't afford surgeries that she needed. She'll never, obviously she'll never work as a paramedic again. She's lost fine motor skills in that arm. She can't feel the back of her hand at all. She can't touch her hand to her face. It was all destroyed. And so by 2007, two years post attack, Jennifer had had five surgeries to repair a hole in her bone, send off infections from the nearly 40 shotgun pellets still lodged in her body. And all money she makes from her medical bills, her power has been switched off more than once. She's struggling. She's got a little boy with her as well. Some good news came in September 2007 when the CEO of Memorial Hermann Hospital heard Jennifer's story and decided to cover all of her medical bills for a critical surgery that she couldn't afford. So basically when I say the money she makes, because she can't work. I mean, I don't know. She could have had some part-time job. So there is crime victims assistance. But any money that she got from that went straight to medical. Because they made it hard for her to get the money, of course. Like insurance. And she didn't get welfare or anything? So she eventually obtained disability but as soon as she did that, she lost her Medicare. Oh my. Give the woman a break. It's not really her fucking fault. So yeah, I'm glad that there's this crime victims assistance. Why are you making it hard? Why does one have to negate the other? Exactly. A broken system. A broken system. Now, I know I've spoken mostly of Jennifer Holiday. It was about her survival, the story, and the heinous attack. But Anna Franklin lost her life and she deserves to be remembered too. So I'll just finish up with a quote from Anna's mum. Spend every second you can with them. Make it count. Because one day you're going to wake up and you're going to say they aren't there. They're not here. You don't get that time back. It's like I threw away 18 years and now I can't have it back. I can't change it. I can't fix it. I can't have my baby. This was such a hard story. Like, these girls, they didn't know him. They had no real interaction with him. And they were blindsided in the worst kind of way. And this could happen to anybody. Eric Parnell isn't the only psycho out in this world. So thankfully this one has been caught and is now behind bars for the rest of time. But, yeah, like it's just the ease of how it happened. They're just minding their own business, driving their asses home, and just shot out out of nowhere. And changed their lives forever. Well, took Anna's life, but changed everyone's lives who knew her. And, obviously, Jennifer's is just she's lost her little cousin, but her life has been made hard. Yeah, 100%. So, yeah, thank you for listening to the story of Jennifer Holliday's survival. I honestly pray that no one has to go through a similar ordeal. But if any situation comes up, that you can take some info from Jennifer's actions because she did everything right. Yeah, there's always a lot to learn in these kind of cases. Like I say, from the beginning, she's a badass. Like, the fact that she just set aside what was going on for her and went, I'm going to get myself out of this. And she did. Like, yeah. Honestly, at any point in that whole situation, it could have gone any other way. 100%. Like, like we were talking about earlier, before we got completely sidelined, but like, you know, that fight or flight mode, if you go into that fight phase, you actually stand a chance of being killed a lot sooner. Yes. Whereas when you're calm and you give the attacker or assailant what they want for a period of time, you're buying yourself a larger window there just to, like, survive. It's like she kind of stepped out of it. Out of herself and went and just looked at the whole situation. She could have tried to fight him but knew that she wouldn't have got very far, especially with only having one arm. Yes. She could have broken down and cried. She didn't. She just remained calm and just switched it right around on him. We'll post a photo, guys, like on our Instagram. This guy looks like a psychopath. How does he have friends? How does anyone serving this guy drinks? He looks like what he does. And he's someone's dad. I think about this all the time. Imagine, like, being born into the world, knowing that one of your parents is a serial killer. Even just a family member, anybody that you're blood-related to. Imagine your parents. Personally, I would wake up every day and be like, I reckon you'd do that your whole life. Or you get angry at a certain thing and you're holding on to some anger, harboring some anger. You're like, that's it. I'm going to be that person. Knew that I was like him. Scary. Scary, scary notion. It is. Thanks, guys. And until next time. Very good. Thank you. We love a survivor story. Yes. It could have been a whole different podcast. We'll catch you guys next time. See you later. Thank you for listening to our telling of this horrific case. We would love to hear what you thought of it on our socials, and if you haven't yet reviewed our podcast, we would really appreciate that if you like listening to us. Until you actually like listening to us. And if you like us, then hit follow. Or see if you don't like us, hit follow. We'd appreciate any support. And we'll have a new case next week. But until then, catch us on our socials at Serials and Scams Pod. See you next time. See ya. Bye.