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Carmen Thomas, a woman from South Africa, moves to the UK with her family after her father's death. She later settles in London, where she meets Brad Callaghan, a Kiwi civil engineer. They have a child together but break up. Carmen decides to follow Brad to New Zealand for the sake of their son. They co-parent well despite having new partners. Carmen goes missing in 2010, and her car is found abandoned in Hamilton with a note mentioning paying someone back. A police investigation is launched. Welcome to Serials and Schemes. I'm Sam. And I'm Sandy. This is a true crime inconspiracy podcast. Our podcast is intended for mature audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Hey guys and welcome to Serials and Schemes. Before we get stuck into it today, I'd like to open with a trigger warning. This case does contain a lot of graphic details and can be found quite disturbing. If you feel this will have a negative or triggering effect on you, we suggest skipping through those parts or skipping this episode altogether. We'll aim to handle this case with the utmost respect and care that we can. So today's case begins with a woman named Carmen Thomas and ends as a very prolific murder that takes place here in Auckland, New Zealand, where both Sam and I live. And this one hits pretty close to home. Literally. And when we say close to home, the murder probably took place, what, 50 minutes from where we're recording? Yep. And where our victim resided is pretty close to? Yeah. So Carmen was born in the small South African town of Benoni, which is east of Johannesburg. And she was born on Sunday, October 30th of 1977 to parents Theresa and Neville. When Carmen was just three years old, her parents decided to relocate their family to Durban. And as a child, Carmen was described as playful, with an outgoing personality and had a magnetic energy. Theresa also said that from a young age, Carmen loved the camera. And the camera loved her. Carmen was a force, she was fearless and had a talent for mischief, making friends and sometimes living in the middle of Australia. All the best ones, though. Honestly, I mean, I would say I was like that. At the young age of 10, Carmen's father, Neville, unfortunately passed away. His passing was said to have a deep, profound effect on her. And this probably would have affected their whole family because shortly after his passing, Theresa decided to move their family to Whitby, Yorkshire in the UK to be closer to family, probably to also help them heal from such a loss. Carmen actually settled into this move really, really well. And like I said, she had a talent for making friends, so it was no surprise that she found her tribe so easily. Theresa eventually wanted to move their family back to South Africa. But Carmen flourished in the UK and really enjoyed her life there. So she actually decided to stay on with their relatives and complete her studies in the UK. How old was she then when they left? I didn't actually find much. I think maybe she was like 15 or 16. Because when Carmen turned 17, she finished her exams and she started planning a move to London. But before the move, she actually went to stay in Cornwall for a little while. A friend said that Carmen really liked to flip about and do odd jobs. But during her time there, she was unfortunately diagnosed with bowel cancer when she was only 23. She got chemo to treat her cancer, and then she returned to Southampton to complete her master's degree in marketing. It's pretty impressive. I was like, 23, mum's not there, going through cancer. And then you treat it and you got it sorted. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it speaks to her resilience. So after she completed her studies, she finally made her way up to the big smoke, London, a loud, vibrant and bustling city, probably to match her personality. While she was there, she met a young Kiwi civil engineer by the name of Bradford James Joseph Callaghan. She was born in Whakatane, New Zealand, of April 1978 to parents Jennifer and Philip. I understand that, I think that his parents separated when he was young. Brad Callaghan graduated from the University of Auckland with a degree in engineering in April of 2001. And according to an NZ Herald article, Brad spent quite a few years in Australia before making his way to London. It's said from multiple sources that Carmen and Brad met on a night out, and it seemed as though the relationship moved really fast. Some of her friends were calling their dynamic as the on and off again, or Rocky, we've all been there, toxic tings. Anyway, the couple were already broken up when Carmen actually found out she was pregnant in August of 2004. And they both decided to make the relationship work for the baby. They were shambles. Shambles. And moved into a small flat together in Rains Park near Wimbledon. Carmen gave birth to their baby boy in March of 2005. And they were actually together at the time, but shortly after the birth, they broke down again. And even with this complicated family dynamic, Brad decided he wanted to move back to New Zealand. And Carmen was completely devoted to their son. So much so that she decided to actually follow Brad out to New Zealand. So they've broken up, and she's like, but it would be best for our son if he's with his dad. Yes. She wanted to have all hurt mums who are like that, and put their kids first instead of their feelings towards their ex. I think it's incredible. And like, I think that any, it's very progressive. It's actually just very progressive. It's just, it's good parenting. Like prioritizing. Putting it simply, that's good parenting. Yeah. And that actually leads me into them settling into Auckland. And they moved into the suburb of Raniera, which is an upmarket area here in Auckland. It has really good schooling options, so that seemed like a natural choice for them. Brad and Carmen were actually said to co-parent extremely well. Carmen was described as a devoted and loving mother, and Brad as a good and doting father. The pair lived within two and a half kilometres of one another, to make things easier to co-parent. And that leads back to what you were saying, like, this is prioritizing the child to the nth degree. Yeah. It's powerful. Honestly, like, lots of trauma done, guys, but if my parents did this, I feel like my upbringing would have been so much easier. Yeah. So soon after moving to New Zealand, Brad actually met a new partner. Her name is Tanith Butler. And they got pregnant a few months before Carmen goes missing. It was said that the dynamic between everyone was very amicable, and friends and family were very impressed by how mature and reasonable the situation was. Carmen communicated with her son and let him know that he was going to have a little brother or sister. Brad, at this stage, worked as a structural engineer. And Carmen had decided a job as an escort at a gentleman's club in Pakuranga, east of Auckland. Various reports state that Carmen went by Sam or Misty, which will be important again later. Apparently, according to Brad, he had asked her to give up her job for their son's sakes, which she did. I feel like it's bold of an ex to be like, hey, I don't think you should do that to put food on the table for our kid. Yeah. Renewal isn't cheap to live in either. And the schooling here is not cheap. The majority of the schooling out here is private. Yeah. For her to afford, as a single mum, living in Raniera, like, it's pretty hard. It makes sense why that was her chosen career path. Yeah. Absolutely. But while she was at her job, she actually scored a speaking role on the TV show, Spiderkiss, starring alongside our very own Lucy Mortliffe. It's pretty neat. It's pretty epic. I mean, I feel like this speaks to what Theresa says about her daughter. She's magnetic and the camera loves her. Yeah. In October, everything was about to change. On July 13th of 2010, Brad Callaghan makes the phone call to the police, reporting the then-dirty 2-year-old, Carmen Thomas, missing. Good afternoon, Police Communication. Yeah, hi, it's Brad Callaghan speaking. Carmen Thomas, sorry, she was due back yesterday. I had to pick up that phone and she needed a hand up. I've been trying to ring her all weekend, haven't been able to get hold of her. What relationship are you two here? We have a son together. Is he a partner? He's a partner, yes. Now, even though the call was placed on July 13th, Carmen had actually not been seen since June 27th. She posted an entry on June 23rd to her Facebook profile, asking when is it okay to let Jack walk to his classroom by himself, which was followed by a series of replies from friends in New Zealand and abroad. And the last post was written on June 29th. And then suddenly on July 16th, someone named Mike posted a message, quote, Carmen has gone missing. If anyone has any information, please call her boyfriend, Brad Callaghan, on 021, and so on. Interesting. Crazily, a lot of this played out in real time on Facebook. And there was a Facebook group set up for Carmen with real-time updates on the missing case and had about 2,000 members in it. People were posting regular updates, links to news articles, contact numbers for New Zealand police, and increasingly desperate messages, like, where are you, Carmen? Worries spread quickly amongst loved ones, because it was very odd for Carmen to not have had any contact with her son. Like I said, she was a devoted mum, and her son would have been the world to her. So because it was so out of character, the police sprung into action very quickly, launching a full-scale investigation, calling it Operation Keppel. The police very quickly began combing through hours and hours of CCTV footage to confirm her last known location. There is footage of Carmen, and it shows her entering a pharmacy in Newmarket just after 6 p.m. The footage also shows her leaving. And then two days later, police shared footage to the media of Carmen's last known location. She was captured entering Countdown Green Lane on June 27 at 10 past 7, and this was also the last confirmed activity on her bank account. On July 16, police announced that Carmen's car, which was a black Nissan Pulsar, was found abandoned in the small city of Hamilton, which is about an hour and a bit away from where we are now. A few personal things, like cash and a handwritten note, was found in the car. The note mentions something about paying someone back. And it was signed off with XOXO Misty. And it said that she... I'm a smith can't see my eyes right now, but they roll. She's got no pupils right now, everything's gone. So yeah, it was said that she owed her boss money from the gentleman's club. So this kind of came across like she was going to use the cash to pay her boss back. This also made it seem like Carmen could have driven to Hamilton for her job and maybe someone hurt her or she hurt herself or got lost or something. Once the car was established to be Carmen's and the car was linked to her being missing, it was brought back to Auckland on July 13. So doing the research for this case, I feel like it's quite clear that there was a lot of media coverage and police seemed to be quite open and drip fed the media or public updates on this case. I was living here at the time, but I was quite young, I was like 15 or 16. And I don't really remember the media coverage. Do you remember as it was playing out? I do remember it happening. So when we looked at cases, I was like, I remember this case. My husband is an electrician. So he worked on job sites in the city. So I was like, you know, this guy, you know, his girlfriend has gone missing. Because that's how it all seemed. I don't think we knew that they weren't together as it was sort of unfolding. Well, the Facebook post said like call to boyfriend. Right. So you saying that they weren't together is kind of news. Although I don't remember. I mean, that was, you know, 14 years ago. So it's not at the forefront of my mind. But yeah, definitely remember like, did you look at this guy? Like his girlfriend's gone missing. You know, so yeah, I remember it just, you know, To be fair, I feel like this case has like so much ground to be like such a scandalous, fallacious case. Right. Especially given her profession. I think the taboo line of work is like, and at the time, even it was even more taboo. Right. I don't know. It's not illegal to have that profession in New Zealand anymore. And I don't know if it was back then. I know it is in recent years that it has become legal. So if it was illegal, everyone would have been like, well, I mean, that's what happened. That's what happened. Yeah. And the victim blaming. Yeah. There was a lot of that at the time. Yeah. And it will still be now because some people are just destined to be those kinds of people. But yeah, for want of a better word. This is like actually a field. Honestly, the gender background for this case was so odd because the last few episodes we have recorded have been American cases. Yeah. And in a way, like, not that we are dehumanizing the situation, but because it's not in our backyard, it's so much easier to separate our own emotions from it. Right. But I'm South African and knowing that she's South African, well, South African and you know. And knowing that it happens. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm missing this up the road. Don't throw away that. Yeah. It's quite scary. As part of the investigation, police combed through CCTV footage from over 100 bars in Hamilton to confirm if Carmen actually went there just to rule things out. But even at this stage, like there was no evidence to suggest that Carmen actually even went there, even though her car was abandoned there. So the police shared with the media that they considered searching for her in the Waikato River. But before doing so, I would need a very convincing reason because, you know, it's a huge exclamation. And the Waikato River is like one of the biggest rivers. It's the biggest river? I think so. In New Zealand. Yeah. So as you can imagine, it would be very expensive. It would take a lot of resources to execute. Also, very interestingly, the police found texts from Carmen after the date of her last known finding. She sent a text to her boss on July 3rd. And the news also shared that their messages came from Carmen's Facebook around then. While the search and investigation continued in Hamilton, an article states that a search and rescue team along with two cadaver dogs combed through Ōraki Basin, which was behind Carmen's home on Ngapuhi Road in Rumuera, as well as Kiba Bush Reserve, which is very freaking close to here, guys. Like, I'm literally just up the road. I passed there to get to your house. Yeah, when you come here. So it's quite scary to think about, to be honest. And also, the fact that they had cadaver dogs kind of, and the size of this investigation kind of tells you that this is not a normal missing persons case. So the police definitely knew more than what they were letting on. Unfortunately, a month into the investigation, all the efforts to find Carmen came up pretty short. So things were definitely not looking good. There was no Carmen and no signs that she'd been active anywhere. So at this point, the police arranged to fly Carmen's mother, Teresa, to New Zealand. The police held a conference, a press conference, and Teresa addressed the public in a very emotional state, as you can imagine. Quote, I broke down and cried myself to sleep on a few nights. I just want her to come back safe and sound. She's a good mum and she's not the kind of person who would just leave her son. The police continued to give small updates to the media, mentioning that her keys, phone and wallet, along with her distinctive turquoise handbag, was missing. But friends and family felt that it would likely be with her. Wait, so she had money in her car, but it wasn't in her purse? Yeah. And her keys to her car weren't in the car? No. So it looked like she sort of locked the car and had her bag, but just left her cash? Left her cash. That she would have maybe just earned if she went out there for the job, right? Yeah. You'd put that into your purse? Pardon? You'd put that into your purse? 100%. Okay. Police also shared that they, of course, had long conversations with Brad Callaghan. We have had several conversations. He's given us an account of their relationship and how they met, as much information as he can to help us. In their initial interview with New Zealand Herald, Brad Callaghan finally broke his silence on August 7th. Jack, this is his mother. I've spoken to the police at length and given them all the help I can. And then, in a horrific twist, police announced on August 15th that they believed Carmen to be deceased. Quoting Detective Inspector Mark Benefield. More than two weeks ago, we acknowledged that the investigation into the disappearance was looking increasingly sinister. In light of everything I now know, I can confirm that we are investigating a homicide rather than a missing person situation. We've come to this conclusion for several reasons. There have not been any corroborated sightings of Carmen since June 27th. There is also forensic evidence in her car, i.e. blood, that supports our belief that she has been killed. Police also revealed that Carmen's 40-litre recycling bin was missing from her home. Quote. We don't know why it went missing, and we won't know until we find out whether it's of significance to our investigation. But we'd very much like to locate it so that we can make our own determination as to its importance or otherwise. I strongly urge for the public to notify the police if anyone knows of the whereabouts of this recycling bin. Understandably, the public was rocked. Carmen was dead. There was no body. The killer was at large and could probably still strike again. So terror and devastation swept through Carmen's loved ones and the community. Carmen's friend Nikki Tremaine wrote on Facebook. Quote. The last month I have been holding on, waiting for the minute when we find you, well and safe. Now my worst fear has come true. This publicity generated a new line of inquiry, and someone had claimed to have seen Carmen's car parked in Whitford, a rural region southeast of Auckland, around the time that she disappeared. On August 18th, police set up checkpoints along Sandstone Road, which is near the Hanua Ranges, to stop hundreds of motorists in an attempt to find any more witnesses or any further info regarding that reported sighting. A few weeks later, forensic investigators returned to that area where they set up the checkpoints to comb through the grass verges, and authorities actually never confirmed why they went back to that area. But behind closed doors, police had their man, Brad Callaghan. Police were in regular contact with Callaghan, seen in photographs at his Victoria Street worksite, and this didn't go unnoticed by the New Zealand Herald reporters, who were following Callaghan in hopes of answers. Callaghan at one point even wrote a letter to the New Zealand Herald, complaining of harassment, and I quote. I have provided ongoing assistance to the police during the course of their investigation. I have not been arrested or named as a person of interest in this inquiry. Carmen's disappearance has been distressing for my son and for me as his father. The absolute gall. The nerve. I'm only laughing because I can't shut up. Pure gaslighting. Per their YouTube channel, Matter of Crime, police located Carmen's missing wheelie bin, but they didn't release this to the public yet. They found the wheelie bin at Brad's neighbour's house on Sonia Ave, Rimuera, on September the 1st. On September 20th, police searched a worksite of Callaghan's employer on Victoria Street in Auckland City, drilling the hole into a concreted area and checking timesheets plus CCTV from neighbouring businesses. The next day, on September the 21st, Callaghan was arrested. He was interviewed in the Auckland suburb of Glen Innes before being transported to the Auckland District Court to face a single charge of murder with still no body. Callaghan did not receive name suppression due to the fact that he had spoken with the Herald. Gaslighting bitch. Don't you love it when they like shoot themselves in the face? Oh yeah. It's awesome. It's just... It was just... Karma. Yep. Straight up. Police started searching his and Tenise's home and boxes of documents were removed from his worksite office. He was reminded in custody to reappear on October the 12th. After spending $50,000 and a week digging up the construction zone on Victoria Street in search of clues as to where Carmen's body might be, nothing relevant to the case was found. During this week, police also searched an East Auckland property of one of Callaghan's friends. They seized the boat that was allegedly used in a failed attempt to dispose of Carmen's body for forensic testing. Sorry. Yeah. The search of these properties was concluded the same week and any items taken for forensic testing were returned to the owners on the 27th of September. Pretty quick. Like, they just moved fast. Did you just say there was a boat used? Well, it was a failed attempt and I will go into that further. But yes. Wow. Yep. And it was out in East Auckland which is near where I live. Ugh. After a week of being behind bars on the 27th of September, Callaghan's fiancee, Tenise Butler, gave birth to a baby boy. I couldn't find any information on Tenise or the son of Callaghan's, which probably makes sense that they would. I read that also Bray Callaghan's son's name was Jack, but it's been legally changed now. Yes, I did read that too. And he's living in a rural... He's not living in Auckland. I honestly can't believe that this man continued to procreate. Like, disgusting. Yep. Around the end of September, police received information that Carmen Thomas was buried at a site in the Waitakere Ranges. Detective Jason Edwards stated that they came across some soft clay, softer than the surrounding area. Police probed the ground and on the third try, the probe struck something solid about 50 centimetres down. Excavators needed to wear breathing masks as the smell was so bad when they were digging up the remains in the plastic bins that they had uncovered. There was reddish liquid bubbling out of plastic buckets and tubs that had been filled with concrete. Oh my god. Yep. Cool. Also, human bodies, they break down differently to like animals, right? Because I've never seen an animal decomposing like that. And like I said, she... And I go into this further soon, but she was in tubs that had been filled with concrete, but there was still decomposition happening and coming... Other things dying other than humans, they just don't decompose that way. It's really strange. Also, why is it always the Waitakere Ranges? Yeah, Waitakere Ranges are big and vast and... I feel like we should just do a whole series on Waitakere Ranges. We could, we could literally. On October 1st, there was finally a breakthrough after three months wherein Carmen's body had been located in the Waitakere Ranges in West Auckland. Carmen's body had been cut into pieces and put into plastic buckets and tubs with concrete. The excavation began around Carmen Thomas' temporary burial place in the Waitakere Ranges and according to Detective Inspector Mark Benefield, the excavation was carried out with sensitivity and great care. Detective Inspector Mark Benefield, who broke down during a media conference, spoke with the human costs officers investigating the case, saying... There is a compulsory welfare session that they will have to take for trauma. On October 2nd, 2010, the final excavation was completed and Carmen was transported out of the Waitakere Ranges in a hearse and post-mortem examination would take place so that Carmen's body could be returned to her family so that she could have a dignified resting place, as said by Detective Inspector Mark Benefield. I literally have tears. Yeah, it would have been so hard for them. But we, in New Zealand, we do, like you said, that it was carried out with respect, and we do. We do death well. I know that sounds horrible, but we have such respect. Like our culture is very... Honouring. We honour the dead and we honour life. Yeah. I also, yeah, I read that as she was being transported out, the cops all liked to salute for her. That's beautiful. That actually makes me feel sad. Yeah. On October 12th, Callaghan appeared in Auckland District Court by video link from Mount Eden Prison for an administrative hearing. During this hearing, Crown Prosecutor Simon Mork QC told the court that he needed time to get together 80 sworn statements, so Callaghan was reminded in custody. On October 13th, 2010, for the farewell of beautiful and fearless Carmen, according to her mum and sister, with a service at the Green Lane Christian Centre Church in the Auckland suburb of Green Lane, Carmen's mum, Teresa Scott, delivered the eulogy alongside Carmen's sisters. At the end of the service, Carmen's white casket was carried from the hall to Christina Aguilera's song, Beautiful, which was followed by her five-year-old son, Jack, clutching a copy of the service sheet, according to Andrew Kouvaradis of the New Zealand Herald. So in April 2011, Callaghan made a brief appearance via video link at the Auckland District Court. Josh Fleming reminded Callaghan in custody to reappear in a week's time for a post-committal call-over. Brad's trial would run in the Auckland High Court. On May 25th, Callaghan pled not guilty to murder, and on July 15th, court documents show that Carmen Thomas was killed by multiple blows to the head. Callaghan was denied bail at the High Court of Auckland on September 17th, 2011, and on November 25th, 2011, Callaghan finally changed his plea and pled guilty to the murder of Carmen Thomas, and also pled guilty to perverting the course of justice. The murderer initially pleaded not guilty as well? Right. It's clear, mate. You've been found. You've screwed yourself. Yeah. Gaslighting. Honestly, what a piece of shit. I've never said it before, but I'm going to say it again. What an asshole, like. Yeah. Also, just the amount of money that our police had to go through just because he was hiding everything. Yeah. Like, if he had just come... You've done it. You know you've been found. Just be honest and save everybody time and money. Yeah. You know, you guys can't see us right now, but Sam's mad. Sam's so mad. Sam's holding back things that it will offend other people that have done nothing wrong. Carmen visited Thomas at the end of June 2010 at her home in Raniera. Police believe this was on the 29th of June. After a disagreement between the two of them, Carmen Thomas claimed that their five-year-old son, Jack, was not Callaghan's child and Callaghan snapped. With the baseball bat of their son, Callaghan repeatedly hit Thomas in the head until she died. This is believed to have been about eight times. Which, I mean, I feel like that very strongly indicates a crime of passion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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