Family Therapy: Magpie gloom

The Aerospice podcast is now recapping Manchester United's week with different generational views. They discuss Eric Ten Hag's tenure, the Rashford problem, needed changes in Manchester United, and the impact of January. Opinions on Ten Hag are divided, with some supporting him until the end of the season and others calling for a new manager. Ten Hag's style of play is criticized, and there are concerns about his ability to win trophies. The podcast hosts discuss the team's tactics and formation, expressing frustration with the lack of progress. They also mention the challenges Ten Hag has faced, such as the Ronaldo situation. Overall, they believe Ten Hag's tenure has been disappointing and are calling for a change in management. What's the crack? Thanks for listening to the Aerospice podcast. We are here on Monday Which is going to become the new official spot for family therapy, which was the original intention for this podcast I'm here at the kitchen table with mum. How are you? I'm grand. Jackie McGinnis So folks we're going to do this on a Monday going forward and what we're going to do is recap on a week in the life of Manchester United fans obviously with two different generational views So we're going to pick out some topics and try and run at this with moving forwards. Sound good to you? Both times are wonderful. Probably less confrontation or possibly more. More I would say. Right, so the first one that I have we're going to discuss Eric Ten Hag's tenure. We're going to discuss the Rashford problem We're going to have a look at what needs to change in Manchester United and also if January is going to be a help or a burden. So the first one is Eric Ten Hag's tenure so far. Where do you fall on how he has done in the role so far? In my opinion Eric Ten Hag has done alright. This season it hasn't been great. I think for a lot of reasons, but I know that the fan base is split on Actually the fan base is right down the middle of the Eric Ten Hag out and Eric Ten Hag in. I'm Eric Ten Hag in until the end of the season and then a second at the end of the season. Okay, I personally think that the standard of football is at a point now where I can't see Eric Ten Hag winning the Premier League or the Champions League in the future and that's why I'm Eric Ten Hag out. I think when you think about the Manchester United manager's position it's so vital to everything that goes on at the football club that I don't think we can suffer Eric Ten Hag anymore and there are two possible roads to take now with Eric Ten Hag. There is the Eric Ten Hag road where you stick with this manager and you come to a fork. That fork is either going to go one of two ways. He is either going to get this right and change his footballing style and come away from the pragmatic defensive approach that he has employed for the start of this season and he could get top four and I think if he tries a more attacking style of play he will get top four. Simply because the quality of Manchester United's squad is good enough to compete with those teams that are in and around us for the top four. The other fork is the one that I think is more likely in my opinion. That is that Eric Ten Hag does not change his approach, does not change his team selection as I think he needs to and he ends up not getting top four and that is why I'm electing to ignore that road and go for the second road, which is a new manager. Either an interim coach with a new manager bounce or someone in for the long term, but a new direction that can get the best out of these players so far. His tenure so far for me has not been good enough is what I'm saying. His first season was very good and I think we overachieved our first season and I think that set the precincts for the second season. Now the second season as I said for one reason or another is not working and my main fork is his selection. I think he's stubborn in his selection. I think he's sticking with his favourites that are detrimental to the team at the minute and until that changes, he is in other words signing his own P45. Yeah, I think if we look back to last season, right, at the start of last season it was dismal. Probably the football was as dismal as it is now except we seem to be eking out results against the clubs that we should be eking out results against. You know, we are beating the wolves of last year. You know, we are getting results against Brantford. I think it was teams he played in around the start of the season where it looked like oh my god, what have we done? And then he reverted to this counter-attacking good old safe way of playing football for the rest of last season. It was a safe way and I'll tell you the reason for the safe way of where he was because that is what those players had adapted to. Under Oli, under Mourinho and that's what they were comfortable with. Summerson. And I say Summerson because when we think back to it, I don't think Raphael Perrin is a counter-attacking player. He plays in an attacking system. He's an elite player. Yeah, that's what I mean. But my point was going to be we played with a defensive duo last season of Lissandra Martinez and Raphael Perrin and we played with a midfield partnership with Casimir and Kristian Arsene and we still played counter-attacking football because our manager had brought these lads in along with Anthony and he couldn't figure out a system that suited them to get an immediate impact and he knew in his first season that the mission statement was to finish top four, try and achieve a trophy and try and show that he belonged in the Premier League after the bold statement he'd said. And he achieved it to a degree. But he ignored his own philosophies and his own tactical style of play to do so. Yeah. Now in this season he's gone back to what we've seen at the end of last season and he's trying to implement his tactical style of play. And in my eyes, it's not good enough. And that's why I'm judging his tenure on this season as opposed to last season. Last season, I think he was very cautiously astute that he played counter-attacking football, but this year under his football, I just don't get it. See, I think he should have reversed it. I think he should have stuck to his philosophy the first season and maybe by this season that style of play would have been implemented. But you're right, football is a results-based business, and especially for a club like Man Utd, that he needed to achieve something that first season. To keep everyone on board, to people to buy into his tenure and to play a system that most of those players felt comfortable with. I just don't feel like he is going to be able to find a style of play that wins the big trophies, and I think that has to be the goal of Manchester United. Manchester United are a club that can't aspire to top four of the year or settle for mediocrity. Now, I would say he's been hampered by insanely massive calls that he's had to make, and they are insane. Like the Ronaldo situation from the very start, crazy. It's crazy to think that one of the biggest stars in our history would cause a situation that would force a brand new manager into the call that he had to make. He's a pre-McDonnell. Yeah, so he did show... My biggest issue with him is I don't think he can adapt and flex now to survive. I don't think he is going to yield or give up his footballing philosophy and his tactics. And I think that those tactics are that, and I've said this before numerous times, you pass the ball in and around your holding midfielder and your defenders, and you try and parole for oppositions off the pitch. You use Scott McTominay as a second ten, as he does at the minute. Possibly out of necessity, because he's the only ten that could sort of be remotely available. It is. Now, I am kicking and screaming to see, and I'm going to try and not get dragged into the racing performances, I'm kicking and screaming to see Sophie and Armourbot play with Kobe Maynard. I can comfortably say now, I don't expect to see it anymore. Because what I'm seeing from Ten Hag at the minute is, he loves the two tens. He loves one holding mid in a Kobe Maynard or a Kassimiro, and he loves to play a Christian Ericsson or Scott McTominay. The pivot has a ten that drifts forward to receive the ball higher up the pitch. At the minute, we're seeing it as Scott McTominay, and it's not working because he's anonymous in that position. I think if Mason Mount came back, it would make a difference, but it's just too open in midfield. It has been last year, it is this year. I'm not seeing any changes, any progression. In fact, I'm seeing regression now, and that can't be the way. Yeah, you're right. It is way too open in midfield, and in my opinion, the only way that Scott McTominay works is if you're playing, out of necessity, Bruno Fernandes on the right side. That's the only way it would work for me, and I would say, I always thought his formation was 4-2-3-1. I know we were all saying about 4-3-3, but I always thought that's the way they'd IX play, 4-2-3-1. The personnel we have at the minute, well, Kinsamere as well, to a certain degree, cannot be the solo central defender midfielder. There needs to be a partner in there with them, and Scott McTominay is not a partner. He did an adequate job with Fred, but we were all screaming for that partnership to broke up. We sort of co-joined those two players and called him my friend, so that was the joke. That was the in-joke. His formation and his tactics at the minute are strange. The only way I could say is, you take the back four as a straight line, and draw a straight line on a page, and then on top of that straight line, draw a Christmas tree, and that is how Manchester United are playing. You have a hybrid match-up at the minute. Kobe Meunier has played at the tip of the Christmas tree, then ahead of him is the two that will create your first side, that's Bruno Fernandes and Scott McTominay, then go wider than that and place Marcus Rashford there with Armando Garnaccio, and then come right back into the middle, where Kobe Meunier is, go a wee bit higher up and put Rasmus Huygens. It's like an abstract Christmas tree that you see in the Tate gallery. Yeah, and you know what, others can play it to tremendous success, but then they actually get into the game, and the South Midfielders don't hold their shapes to play as tenths. The holding midfielder comes too deep, because he has to get the ball off the two centre-backs. There is yards, yards and yards of space between Meunier when he picks up the ball, or Amberbad or Ericsson or whoever picks up the ball, and the two guys that have been assigned to play midfield, because they're playing as high tenths. And that's no reflection on them lads, because that is their natural position. And this is my biggest bugbear with this man. He doesn't seem to see this as a problem. He can't work out why it's not working. He's played this in Holland, he's played this throughout his career. Ralph Rodnick made a brilliant point, I think it was in the Red Bull documentary, and he said these managers, these elite managers, have built a career from playing the game a certain way, and managing and coaching the game a certain way. When that clashes with failure, and that clashes with poor results, it's very hard for these people there to turn around and accept that they are the failure. It can't be them. It has to be the players, it has to be something going wrong, you're not implementing the style correctly, because I can't be wrong, this worked everywhere else. And I'm looking at a man struggling to figure that out at the minute and thinking, no, because it is wrong. But I'm going to ask you a question. How many of his signings started that match on Saturday? Oh, you'd have to go one to eleven, hold on now a second. Do you want me to put you out of your misery? That's it. One of his signings. It's crazy that, isn't it? It is, it's madness. I know how many of the signings are injured at the minute, but how many of the signings... How many of the signings are sitting on the bench? That is the thing that frustrates the life out of me. You can't point to him not being backed. It's been a continuous excuse from Manchester United fans. Yes, there have been transfer issues, but he has been backed. He has brought in players that he has wanted to bring in, and the players who are out at the minute are players that we can't even point to, with the exception of Sandra Martin, who is key and pivotal to that defence. But they're not players that we can point to and say, you're coming straight back into our team. Because before Casemiro got injured, he wasn't an issue. Now some Manchester United fans want to use Casemiro being missing now as the way that the midfield isn't playing properly. Before Casemiro got injured, we wanted him dropped. You know, and Christian Ericsson is not the answer. So, I take your point. His signings have not been good enough, but he's picked them. He doesn't seem to have an eye for spotting talent that can fit into his system, which is damning for me. The thing that I'm concerned about is that his signings are his signings. That sounded really Irish, but you know what I'm saying, right? But his signings, he signed them to play his system. Yet, most of those signings from Ole and Mourinho are still here. And still playing. We can't get rid of them. Sorry to interrupt, Roy, but that's my point. That you have players that have been... Well, for me, in my opinion, Mourinho and Ole's system were sort of similar. Sit back, absorb the pressure, and hit them the counter. And that's one of his signings played on Saturday night. Yeah, and look, I don't want to keep going back to the Newcastle game because it's more of a whole picture than I'm trying to tell you about, but I agree with you completely. And it's a go-to now for Manchester United fans when you're trying to talk about Ericsson. Oh, well, he's dealing with the Frankenstein project. We still have players from Ole's tenure, Hose's tenure, somebody's even there from Bowie's tenure. And that's 110% correct. But, he is choosing to play them. If he was out of players and he was having to force these lads onto the pitch, I can concede that point. But he's choosing to play Scott McTominay instead of Sophie Namrabat. And this is not just a one-game scenario. Scott has played consistently all season because he gets goals. And getting goals is why... It's almost like Moneyball with Ericsson now. You know, that scenario where it may look misguided and it's not brilliant to watch, but as long as it gets enough wins to get you to where you need to be, who cares? We care. But I think Scott is playing out of necessity as well. And because Ericsson Hag is pragmatic and he won't play the youth in Hannibal Maesbury, I think Scott McTominay is playing because Ericsson, Mount, Casemiro are out injured. Our midfield is depleted at the minute. I'm not making excuses, or maybe I am, but that's the only reason that I can see that Scott McTominay is starting games. Because I can't find any other reason. Yeah, and it would be a valid reason to turn around and defend the manager and back the manager even further and say, look, oh, he's having to play Scott, this is the reason. He didn't have to do that from the start of the year. Those lads have been fit on different occasions. Casemiro has looked to struggle with the tactical set-up and build of Ericsson Hag this year. He looks like we're trying to point out that he's declining as a player. I call bullshit on that one, Mum. I don't think he is. I think when we watch Kobe Meunier and Christian Ericsson and Sofie Namrabad, we watch any of them. Meunier had a brilliant game against Aberdeen, but that's Aberdeen. The first big test was Newcastle and the lad got a bit lost. And as Paul Scholes rightly pointed out, it's because he's so alone in that midfield. And that's been a recurring problem for Sofie Namrabad, Casemiro, anyone who has played as the deep-holding midfielder in that pivot. They're being coached into a system that does not suit the Premier League and is being picked apart by other coaches. I'm not going to say better coach. I'm not going to get into the nitty-gritty or have a go at Tim Hag. He's wrong in his selection of his tactics and his formation. He needs to come right back to the drawing board. Forget team selection and sit with a marker or a whiteboard and a few dots and try and work out how he plays that gets this team moving better, that gets this team attacking better, that gets this team moving further off the pitch quickly, pressing other teams. And then once he has figured out what the tactics and the formation is that he can do this in, then he needs to start focusing on his team selection. And if there are big stars who can't play your way of playing football, don't play them. It's that simple. I agree with you. We are two pedestrians at the minute. But, having said that, and I do watch a lot of football from the back, oh my god, we make it look so difficult. We really do. We have defenders that cannot play out from the back. Yeah. What do we do? Who? Raphael Brown. But he's on the bench. Exactly. He can't do anything on the bench. No, but this is where we need to take this away and have a think about our Tim Hag's tenure. He's made the point that in midfield he is a bit hampered by injuries. But he has a player who can play the ball out from the back and he's choosing not to play. So if he can't see that that's an issue and that's a problem, that's massively on him. So he drops Harry Maguire? He drops whoever it takes. I'll go back to the marker and whiteboard scenario. He drops the entire starting XI if he thinks there is another way of playing football that is going to save his job at the minute. He can't beat the big teams. And the proof is there for all to see. Go and have a look at Earth and Hyde Frack. I think we put it on our Twitter and Instagram. It's nothing short of an absolute disgrace. It's shocking. And he's had two playing styles. The one from last year and the one from this year and he's still in the same place. So yes, I can see your point on team selection. I think he gets it wrong at times. The bigger issue is how you play football for me. And this is going to define his tenure as we're calling it. But I honestly think he's going to be reprieved. They're from Manchester United and leading into January if we do see the INEOS group come in I don't think the INEOS group want to start off their new era at Manchester United by backing a man that can't beat Eddie Howe's Newcastle when they've had 10 injuries and can't get themselves above. If Pochettino beats him I think that's the most damning one because we want to believe that Chelsea are in chaos but we'll move on and we'll talk about some of these individuals. The big one. The star man from last season Marcus Rashford. What do you think has gone wrong for Marcus Rashford? What has changed between the Rashford of last season and the Rashford of this season? I am not Marcus Rashford's biggest fan as you know. I think he's a good player but he's not the star he's not a worldie he's a good player that had a very very good season last season and in coming up to the 9 years 9 seasons sorry that he has played for Man United he has hit double figures 4 times. Yeah. Not exactly. I'm talking about Premier League goals now. I'm not talking about any other football. Who was the second one that he I'm thinking of last year's Who did he play under when I'm looking for it? Oli. Oli. Counter attacking. And I've always said it he's a counter attacking footballer. Can he adapt? No I don't think he can adapt because I don't think he's a very intelligent footballer either. His decision making is shocking absolutely shocking. He's off the shoulder and that's what he excels at. If Marcus Rashford has room to run into you don't want anybody else in your team but Marcus Rashford. But position based football no. And I think I said at the start of the season he almost has hero syndrome that because he had to pull trees up last season to get Manchester United over the line he sort of feels that in every game. The main man. Yeah. His football intelligence is the big one that I turn to. I've watched a lot of Champions League football recently and I'm looking at wingers who make darting runs in tight space and getting behind people and getting behind defenders who are sitting in the low block. Intelligent positioners. Yeah. With Marcus Rashford on when he almost needs 20-25 yards football pitch to approach and run into that's not good enough. Nor is that realistic. He needs to sharpen up. I remember what do you call him now I'm going to butcher this name because I butcher everybody's name was it Levermento? Levermento. Yeah. I went past him. Yeah I've seen that clip. And outpaced him. So once a player like that once your pace goes even a small percentage you are limited. And I think people are confused because I vote for a player like Marcus Rashford but I think he is frustrated at his own gameplay. But he shouldn't be the first one on the team sheet and that's down to Eric Ten Hag. 110% and I would go one further is to say that Marcus Rashford is feeling the weight now of being the star player and that has been created by Eric Ten Hag because Eric Ten Hag is the man that gave him the big bumper contract last year off the back of him playing very very well in every performance we're looking for world class and he's nowhere near it. I disagree with you. I don't think that's solely down to Eric Ten Hag I think that's down to the board as well. The board wanted a star boy and Marcus Rashford is the academy boy the local boy the managerial So you think the board forced Marcus Rashford onto Eric Ten Hag? To a certain degree yes I do. You think the manager I think it was a board decision that's just my opinion but I think it came from the board I think it came from higher up. Yes we want you to take over Man United Yes we want you to manage Man United but you have to get Marcus Rashford up to speed because we want him to be the face of Man United. Ok. Why did they let Cristiano Ronaldo go when Cristiano Ronaldo is the marketing mogul that he is? So Ten Hag was back when he went to war with Cristiano Ronaldo right? Yes. Including this weekend. Are you telling me that you believe that the Manchester United manager is being guided by his board in those decisions? Well your first point is Cristiano Ronaldo is always going to be short term Marcus Rashford has only turned 26 Marcus Rashford again local lad academy lad I can't fathom that I can't fathom a football club turning around to a Premier League manager you have to play him I need to play Garnaccio on the left hand side play him on the right. You think that's coming from the board? Yes. I think you're defending the abysmal decision making of our manager I don't think it's solely on the manager that's my point it's not solely on the manager it's the United board as well because the bottom line with the Glaciers is commercial money they don't give a toss about football they want a face Tinhag loves him How do you know? He defends him in every situation that he can while he's willing to out other players he thought nothing of throwing Jadon Sancho through the walls over his training efforts when Jadon Sancho had a bad game against Arsenal Marcus Rashford's drops in the pitch I don't believe it was pace against Liverpool it was pure effort he could not have been fucked making that run to get back because he was frustrated that he was playing on the right he was on the right hand side and he wasn't the star out on the left because Garnaccio was upstage in the mid-minute so he strapped and he huffed and he puffed and he fucked his manager off on the bench and he behaved like an absolute child and then when Tinhag was asked about it given all the chance in the world to do a Jadon Sancho all over again this time he bites his tongue No, I'll speak to Marcus myself I'm not speaking about him in the media I looked at that and went you're a hypocritical blacksmith you really are you're wrong because we're pinning our hopes on Marcus Rashford we're in trouble we're not pinning our hopes our manager is pinning his hopes on Marcus Rashford sorry, I meant we collectively I feel like a fucking solicitor building a case to the Shaq this month but I'm not, I'm pointing out the obvious these are things that he is getting fundamentally wrong to back a player that behaves that way on the pitch for you Marcus Rashford cannot play against Chelsea he cannot return against Bournemouth and he cannot play against Bayern Munich or Liverpool do you think there would be a huge backlash if he does? there should be not because he's playing poorly you're allowed to play poorly and put an effort in we've seen nothing from Anfield he's been playing poorly from the start of the season he won't do game week one good game that Marcus Rashford has had I'm agreeing with you oh my god, seriously yes, but I think he's a better footballer than the other players that we can bring in but he is playing really, really poorly he is a problem a massive problem for Eriksen Haag to fix but he is a Frankenstein of Eriksen Haag's own creation if you don't want to have the Marcus Rashford problem then go and look at Marcus Rashford's inconsistent performances before you were the manager realise that he can only adapt and play in a counter-attacking team as you have said and do not give him a bumper contract well I agree with you and if Eriksen Haag has to go right I hope that the next manager is going to be Eriksen Haag and an in-depth analysis into those players and not just we've had external problems with players not just the footballing aspect but their personal lives as well we've just put yes, I know you're making a face yes, but I'm making a face because you're going to get that they're human beings you're going to get that everywhere I mean Marcus Rashford went out for his birthday I see no wrong with that I think their social lives are constantly under scrutiny yes, Manchester United have unprecedented situations i.e. Mason Greenwood I don't know he said, she said it went as quick as it came it's not way yet though we can see what happens there but it went as quick as it came it was big news he's going to be arrested this is going to happen that's going to happen you're innocent until proven guilty and if you're proven innocent then what can anybody do so yes, there's been distractions and stuff off the pitch but you want our players on the back pages instead of the front pages you do, you do and you come under a lot of scrutiny when you're under pressure like this and especially if you play for a football team like Man United 110%, I agree I just think that what I'm annoyed about at the minute is that Newcastle has put this in since the start of the season see this not running back crop and I've defended them and I've turned around and said previously I think it's a tactic from Eriksen Haag I think they stay up there because they can catch the team on the break and he's the fastest player in the team and he's told to do this but against Newcastle he had no excuse because they were criminally pinned back by Newcastle and that is the point where you turn around and say even if it's practical I think some of the reading experts we have out there are trying to say he said what am I doing here and I agree with that because I don't think he suits Tenaga United at all Marcus Rashford's body language is all wrong at the minute this throwing his arms up that's deep joking that he does that pisses me off but what is he to do when he is consistently picked by his manager nothing, that's down to the manager and it's like if a kid's in the playground being P4 all over again and somebody kicks it off to the skill teacher and the skill teacher takes it or somebody is consistently misbehaving so the next team that you go to misbehave you think to yourself well he doesn't do that to Marcus he sticks the arm round Marcus if Marcus fucks it up probably, I think to you Nisancho when he gets away from United you're going to see a blast at that football club and that's what Rashford's done this year all I wanted to do was play on the left and I was told that Rashford is the star and that Rashford plays there I didn't really want to play on the right so he played me in the middle and he tried something new with me and then he wouldn't play me and I don't agree with it I'm not condoning it but Tenaga makes his own monsters he really does well yes, he is digging his holes he is I think there's reports coming out and stuff like that that's another one I'm waiting to boil over where Raphael Varane comes out and says look I was happy enough to take it because it would have given me a fortune but at the end of the day I knew it would be sacked the football wasn't good enough and there are players at Manchester United that should adapt because they have no success in football and they should not have any gripes towards the manager or the manager's training or the manager's style of play I've seen it all I've been with masterful managers I've come from where you could arguably say I was going to say a bigger club but a more successful club than United and I think what will be interesting to see is how Marcus Rashford's situation plays out if he sticks with the manager or he's another one that starts stropping and if Marcus Rashford who's sort of the baby face of the club if he starts stropping do Varane and Al Wills ones go along with him and he acts like so-and-so but Rashford is a yes man he'll have apologised already I'm so sorry, I shouldn't have stropped Please play me again Shelby Did you hear Alain Coutts today on Talksport? I did not I think it's Jim Shreves now who's with Alain Coutts and they were saying about the Man United players have downed and they're not playing for their manager and when Coutts went off and won he said I hate that he said play for the badge play for the fans he said I hate that excuse of players walking around the pitch and throwing strops and they're not playing for their managers he said do your damn job Yeah, I agree but it seems to me that Ericsson Hague the bottom line is we're all waiting for it and we're not just waiting for the match we're waiting to see if Marcus Rashford's name is going to be on the team sheet and we're all wanting him to be the manager of the amount of control that Ericsson Hague has over that team Yeah, I think you're bang on I think Anthony Martial and Marcus Rashford can't start from an effort point of view I think from a tactical point of view I would like to see Maguire play with Raphael Varane and Chennault go back to left back and I would also like to see Scott McTominay drop from the midfield if Sophie Amrabat is the only person available and you see Amrabat, Meunier and Casemiro as the same player necessary to be rotated to the middle of the midfielders try and play out with Kobe, Meunier and Amrabat possibly playing in triangles and getting the ball further up the pitch because I promise you it can't be any worse in that midfield than what we've seen now consistently for a big team game I agree with you and I think that would plug the holes in that midfield Hopefully, but I'm with you on that one The team selection on Wednesday night is where I would judge Ericsson Hague and how he moves forward I hope I'm wrong from our first segment I'm not too happy to admit you're wrong anyway No, probably not. Well, do you know what if he's finally proved me wrong on one of these points I'll happily admit it Oh, I can't wait So, that leads us in then to what needs to change what needs to give now Manchester United for you to see your manager stay If anything, maybe you're happy enough to No, as I said before the team selection is all wrong for me the balance is way off and I want to see him being less pragmatic and more adventurous in his selection Those players that are not putting the shift in I want sat on the bench and I'm not just talking Rory for one match I'm talking for an extended period of time It's alright, it's like somebody in school a sore boy in school you've got detention for an hour when they should be in detention all week Yeah, leniency Somebody needs to be made and I hate saying this but somebody needs to be made an example of and that has to be Marcus Rashford Sit him on the bench let him do it all he wants and play somebody play Pelletri, play Anthony Garnaccio is not going to lose his place because Garnaccio hasn't done he's still learning the game he's still learning his trade but for me, he puts in more of a shift than Marcus Rashford and I think it's very damning that this is what we're settling for again it's the players that make an effort I don't think Garnaccio was good enough to start Right, but there's nobody else the only other person is Marcus Rashford Now Garnaccio did it against Galatasaray he scored the goal but Garnaccio to me is still very young, still very green decision making is very poor against Newcastle he had it all the way three, four times trying to do too much and running into people and that's a young player it's not a tactically sound decision to have that lad on the pitch game after game, especially in big games but it's out of pure necessity because you cannot play Marcus Rashford because he's going to do the same thing and Garnaccio's scoring they're very similar in certain respects Garnaccio I would say is ahead of Rashford in terms of form Another aspect to that is you drop Garnaccio and put Rashford into his so-called favourite position what does that say to the rest of the team? No, you cannot and that's why I can't be up for Wednesday night and that would be points against Eriksen Haag if that happens and I even offer feeling as well For you the biggest change then is the personal level of team selection Yeah, but that's down to the manager that is entirely on the manager Do you think that with and I'm playing Dale's advocate I'm not picking holes Do you think that the personal level selection will improve the football of Manchester United? Is what you're seeing on the pitch and I'm a different tier Is what you're seeing on the pitch just down to the team that he is picking you're not unhappy with the way they're playing football is what I'm saying? I think they're playing football because of the selection That's my view I think they're playing the team is very unbalanced at the minute I agree with you Raphael Varane is fifth Yeah, which he is Yeah, I prefer to see Luke Shaw on the left I prefer to see Luke Shaw as a full back but I don't know until Martyn Ayres is fifth play Reguilon or Dalot as a left back and play Shaw along with Varane that's what I would like to see I agree with you 100% I would like to see Amrabat and Mane hold midfield Fernandes, Garnaccio, Hoylan, Anthony that's my... and Amrabat the backer as right full back And you think if he gets that team the control will come into the team then? I want... I think so I think... but you can't Mane will get a game then be pulled out Amrabat will get a game then be pulled out Scott McTominay is nailed on then be pulled out Hoylan is fifth keep to that team for an extended period again and then judge him after that but that's who I... that's the person I want to see on the pitch going forward Now, I agree with everything you're saying do you think you're going to get it? No I agree I think what you're saying is I'm not supposed to straighten things so I'll tell you what I want to change I want the manager to change I've had enough of Ericsson Hague I think Ericsson Hague will go out of Manchester United and we will look back on his decision making and see that as the biggest issue of Manchester United I think he's handled certain situations off the pitch with an absolute touch of class and excellence and he's been very good in that respect but I think on the pitch as a coach is where he lives and feels Well what if he does, Rory? Would you change your opinion now? What if he does do that in Wednesday night? Would you call it? Is that a step in the right direction? It is, it's a small step I don't think his tactics and the way he wants to play football lend itself to the Premier League I don't think it wins the Premier League I don't think it ultimately gets Manchester United to where they want to be in the Champions League I think it's a very pragmatic negative way of playing football it's a very European way of playing football and it reminds me of Louis Van Gaal who's this countryman and on a lesser extent there's Conte at Spurs it's very set up dry sort of well you have to think Antonio Conte won a Premier League with Chelsea and Chelsea were pragmatic even when we're winning it's not great to watch but we're winning it's the most similar comparison I can see if I'm looking at it objectively look, people hate this example but it has to be made I watched Eddie Howe for the last couple of weeks Newcastle play like Newcastle it's about who's in the team and what the game is they come out, they have a narrow three in the middle Joe Linton, Grimer is and now your new boy Milo seamlessly playing the ball and through possession transitions playing the ball to each other they held their four line it's brilliant and it can only be down to coaching because they have a few new fellas Anthony Gordon's a new lad into the team Alexander Isaac is a new lad into the team they have 10 entries and they're still bossing midfield balls they ran out of steam in the Parc des Princes they ran out of steam in Old Trafford they weren't lucky in Paris but they're very good to watch that's a man that's in his tenure as long as Ericsson has I would like the manager to change so I see a style more like Eddie Howe's Newcastle they're again Spurs and City yesterday I would just like to see a style an attacking style not even a style a style of football like Ange, Eddie Howe even Unai Emery's Aston Villa there's defensive pragmatism at times but the overall goal is to attack teams control the midfield and be the dominant ball playing team especially when you're against weaker opposition I haven't yet to watch a match in this season with Ericsson Howe where I can see Man United control the game from start to finish there's been patches of entertaining football patches and individual well we wouldn't call it brilliant when's the last time you got 2-0 up against a team in a game and thought game over we win never never Galatasaray you could smell it the only time was Everton that's the only time I was comfortable we're going to win a match Galatasaray yeah I was with Galatasaray as well I was euphoric and then Unana does the Unana thing you see this is where the difference of opinion kicks in and why I want to change the manager I wasn't confident against Everton I wasn't United scored then Everton bossed the game they bossed the game to the half time thank god for the half time whistle and once we get over that period that's my entire point when are we going to see a game where there isn't that period where we don't get absolutely dominated and bossed for scoring a goal where the goal wakes the opposition up and they turn around and go here's this team we're playing against perfect we didn't concede that period came again in the Galatasaray game so you don't want to see any period no no no for 30 minutes against Everton they battered us after we scored yeah but we took it for 30 minutes against Galatasaray they battered us after we scored it has happened time after time Sheffield United had a run against us Luton had a run against us Luton, bottom of the table Luton had a run where I thought oh my god we should have ignored what I want to see is Manchester United have a performance against I don't care if it's Luton I don't care if it's Wrexham I want to see Manchester United dominate and boss a midfield game I want to see them control the ball move the ball about and kill the opposition but we're not going to do that because our midfield is weak terrible our midfield is weak I'm not sure who I'd like to see come in but I don't want to watch Ericsson and Haggis I don't believe in his tactics I don't believe in his team collection I don't believe in him and that's the change I want you're a non-believer I'm a man who's fed up watching this man fail in squadron he's been given the position of a lifetime he's come in for my axe a big club in their own right but minuscule in terms of Manchester United he has come in and regressed within his shell but he looks hopless now good old faithful team selections tactics that don't work pragmatic for the sake of it time to go where are you down? I tell you what I'm not going to get too deep into this I believe United are as shit at picking managers as they are at picking players I would have to agree to a certain extent you took David Moyes who was wrong he says we're giving time too big for him Ferguson shouldn't have been allowed to pick David Moyes he picked him because he's Scottish and he was friends and that's as simple as he goes, you bring in Louis van Gaal at the end of his career he was dinosaur football we picked him in the back of a World Cup where he was playing with the Netherlands but he didn't win by the way but he played some style of football and Ed Woodward went oh he could do it he's done everything else so you get the banker who goes and picks the dinosaur the dinosaur comes in what are we going to do? but sack him and we bring in baby dinosaur in Jose Mourinho a man who had fallen out with Chelsea for the second time whose methods in football were already coming under strain and who came into the football club with his family in London him in Manchester and just it was chaotic from start to finish it just screamed we all got optimistic for it it was a family game our Oli was the first Ericsson Hyde Oli came in as the last Woodward appointment Oli came in as an interim coach he got a new manager bounce he had a smile the toxicity of Jose Mourinho's reign had been lifted Oli comes in it's better everyone's happy everyone's playing for Oli and everyone did play for Oli they loved him as a manager because Oli had the personality if we could mix Oli's enthusiasm and personality with Ericsson Hyde's pragmatism it would be fucking palomandini but you wouldn't give for that but unfortunately that's not the way Oli didn't have the tactics he didn't have the style he had the personality and he had the enthusiasm it worked in certain games and it worked to a degree until it didn't Ericsson Hyde was meant to be the second common it's the first decision for Merlin Arnold two people who were as naive and uneducated in football as Ed Woodward was he did everything right and I think operationally fantastic, brilliant operational manager he set standards he set structure he created principles he dealt with Ronaldo he dealt with Sancho he dealt with Greenwood oh the touch of glass but on the pitch he's not the coach they picked a very good man but a really poor coach I would still give him ten I know you would they make poor signings off the pitch they make poor signings on the pitch well hopefully we'll get footballing people in that will care less about the commercial side of the club and more about the football side of the club the way it should be and I think when that happens this man gets sacked but we'll wait and we'll see it's going to be interesting to see when the Neos come in time will tell and all those cliches yeah I don't see people who've been around the game like Blanc, Mitchell I don't see them coming in and looking at that style of playing I don't suppose they trigger as quickly as you think they are I think they will assess the situation my decision is half passion on wanting to see him play better football and half being pragmatic if they don't change things and this guy goes in this room now and they give him until January he'll cost us top four so you cut your arm off to save the body you can afford the Arkenhag payout as long as you get into the Champions League next year they'll come in and sit around the table and they'll go look and more of them will say no than yes and then they'll be sacked it depends on if they've already assessed somebody and they've someone lined up for the job we don't know because we're not privy to that of course if, doomsday scenario you now get beat by Chelsea draw a Bournemouth and get beat by Liverpool they're in the bottom half of the table well that's bad and that's not unfathomable at the minute no it's not he will lose the patches here with Old Trafford he will draw with Bournemouth I'm not saying get beat because only Bournemouth can beat it but I would say there's a 25% chance they could draw with us but then our manager's very good at beating smaller teams so I don't believe we'll win that but doomsday scenario loss, draw, loss embarrassing at Liverpool he's in the bottom half of the table well if he doesn't change the personnel on the pitch and that's the case he deserves it either we take my advice and we go with a different coach or we take your advice and he proves me completely wrong and he can change his approach and he shows to me that he's not the rigid egotistical manager that I think he is that he believes that his football is actually going to get us there and that the players he expects are good enough we'll wait and see, it's going to be interesting so the last segment then to finish us off January we've been doing hypotheticals and will they back Arsene Haag and will they not back Arsene Haag who do you think goes and can United bring people in I don't think there will be a transfer kitty I think that it'll be loan deals if there's any deals done now selling in January I don't think you're going to unless you're selling to Saudi you're not going to get big money for players in January because we're crap at it yeah, we're back to Jose's statement look at where they play if they play, when they play who are they going to Donny Van Der Beek is saying he's leaving in January where are you going to and I can actually see if we do sell the like of Donny Van Der Beek and Jadon Sancho that money will be invested in the summer and not January I think it's loan deals we're looking at in January you know his name I'm going to butcher it the Stuttgart guy Guarassi yeah, apparently he's a release clause of 15 million the striker but then again he is going to the Africa Cup of Nations so he could be out for 6 weeks I mean at 15 million can you not suffer from being out for 6 weeks yeah, he's 27 you're not selling Anthony Martial and you know that I always thought he was a much better technical footballer more astute footballer than Marcus Rashford but Anthony Martial needs to go and he needs to go now I would not trigger that contract extension I would let him go in the summer and that would be it there's triggering extensions to get money for them do you not think after his display of the outrage now whether it's true or not or just idle gossip whatever it was his display at the weekend was he was pointing at Marcus Rashford that Eric Henhout was leathering into him about not tracking back and he was pointing at Marcus Rashford about Marcus Rashford's position on the pitch well I was egoised at the weekend seeing that Marcus Rashford's mum was having an avid discussion and Anthony Martial was coming out talking on somebody else so obviously there was a disagreement there between the two wives but Marcus Rashford looked really surprised that he was taken off for it so was he saying to Rosamund Fowler if you do this you know you attack he looked angry mum whenever it happened in half time there he looked angry he looked like the two lads that Martial maybe pointed it out to him you know that Martial was coming round like patching children or telling their team mates you know he's in the wrong here he should have done this we don't know but in January I think Francesca will fork out £15 million for a striker if the opportunity arises there's a lot of clubs apparently Romano said yes they are he's a person of interest but there are a lot of clubs looking at him as well they've rubbished that it can't happen Nice are going for the league 1 Nice fans are up the norms by buying Manchester United and what they're going to do is lift their best centre back and play some Manchester shit away it's hopium beyond hopium people are getting too high on the hopium with that one making decisions strung out but no, no to the Evo doesn't happen who I do think they'll try and target but I think given what we've seen this season Donny Van de Beek goes out in January and they'll try and bring somebody else in well on this and midfielders if Donny Van de Beek goes out I know he hasn't played any serious games he hasn't kicked a ball in Anger in a long time and then Sancho there's two midfielders you have to replace you're not getting money for Sancho his wages are going to hold everything back the only scenario then is the Saudi league and he's too young in my opinion to go to the Saudi league 240 grand a week the win he has played for Manchester United has been woefully under par and we're arrogant enough to think we're going to get a transfer fee for that one he will go on loan to Juventus and we'll eat up a big chunk of his contract for him to play in Italy that's what'll happen it's not a financial disaster 110% Anthony Martial will sit in the Manchester United ranks for the summer and leave it up all to him of course he will Donny Van de Beek might go in January although I don't know where he's going to get a game no clue I thought Juventus were interested in him as well he's got 100 grand a week he can kick a football all season anything he does play he'll look hopeful again a question unless we give these lads away on freeze I don't know where they're going you've stated that even if we loan them you're still paying 3 thirds of their wages 110% because you're not going to be able to come and you're doing another club a favour it's something that has to be reset that's what it is in January I think Manchester United will go for that striker I think we'll move him substitute goalkeeper I think he'll be running I think he'll stick with Heaton and van der and he'll go for another midfielder but it'll be a loan deal and I can't even put names to this I'm purely speculating and guessing but if it was me I think with a reduced budget I don't see them backing him I don't think he's going to be there but I don't see them backing him no I think the budget will be for the summer definitely well look folks 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