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Rachel and Christina discuss their week as if it were a reality show. They talk about feeling bored and anxious about going to the doctor. They then move on to discussing a fight between Nicole and Emma at Chelsea's birthday party. They criticize the timing of the fight and question the validity of their friendship. They also discuss Nicole's pessimistic attitude and Emma's patronizing comments about happiness. Hi, this is Rachel, and this is Christina, and this is Reality Time, a podcast where we discuss friendships, relationships, and enemieships in reality TV, often featuring our friends or enemies, you'll have to decide. Okay, so starting off the podcast today, we wanted to do something that I'm feeling from my favorite podcast, Celebrity Memoir Book Club, where we just discussed that last week, but instead of naming a chapter in our memoir, we're going to say what reality show our week has been. So I guess, Christina, do you want to start it off? What reality show would you say your past week has been? Also, little caveat, Rachel did tell me about this idea beforehand, and I struggled a little bit to think of it, but basically, I'm going to say Love Island, or Love Island, the British one, because it, like, literally nothing happened. And I was kind of twiddling my thumbs for several hours throughout most of the days, and then, but somehow a lot also happened, but it did feel like it dragged on, so. That's a good one. Okay. I would say, if I was describing my week as a reality show, okay, I think I would say Dr. Phil, because I've been feeling like a little, like, not even sick, but I've just been texting my mom, and she's trying to convince me to go see a doctor here, and she'll, like, pull up her seats and be like, oh, like, you should go see a, you should, like, go to the doctor, and, like, in Dr. Phil, it's like when the parents bring their kids and they have, like, the videos, and they're like, oh, this is what led to them being on Dr. Phil. So, yeah, that's my week. This is also funny that you say that, because recently, well, I could get into this off the pod, but I've been, like, I definitely, like, need to see a doctor for a very weird reason, but I'm, like, really scared of going to the doctor here, and I, like, I don't know, I just don't really like going to the doctor because I'm scared they're going to tell me something's wrong. And so, last night, I had a dream where I went to the doctor, and it, like, went horribly, and I was very overwhelmed, so. I guess they're both on Dr. Phil. I know. I might need to rondo them. Help me find a little doctor. Yeah. Well, she's literally a doctor, so I was like, I'm sorry. Like, you went to medical school, and you cannot help your child with their medical anxiety, like, why else do you have a medical degree? Come on. In my personal opinion. What use is it serving? Okay, so now to the main topic of the show. We're back with more Rochelle and Nicole. I was going to try and combine their names. Nicole. Nicole. Part two. Yeah. Yeah. You know, last week, we didn't think that we would have that much to talk about, and then it turned into an over 50-minute episode, so we figured that there's still more to unpack. I know. Honestly, because, like, I watched this season, season seven, like, a while ago, and I went through watching some of the clips, and I was like, oh, my gosh. Yeah, I feel like, I don't know, I think there's, especially now that we're transitioning into season seven, like, the issue from season six definitely carries over, but I think it just manifests itself in different ways. Also, I think after, like, seeing the whole thing and, like, focusing on, like, one particular, like, two people and their interaction, I feel like I notice more stuff, because I'm like, oh, like, I know what's going to happen, and I, like, know what has just happened, and just, like, seeing it all, then I'm like, wow, just make these little comments, and it's like, dog. Yeah. I don't know. I'm. She's so, whoa. We'll get into it with evidence. Okay. Should we get to our first clip we want to discuss? Yes. Let me give context to this. Okay. This is at Chelsea's birthday party. Which also was just such an interesting party. Yeah. To begin with, but I guess Nicole is invited, and the other girls are there, too, and so Nicole had been unshockingly talking bad about the other girls in the office, and so Emma decides to have a conversation with Nicole, which this is kind of shocking, because Emma's never really, like, she's pretty uninvolved in terms of the drama. Yeah. So I feel like for Emma to get involved, it's like, oh. I know. This is real. Okay. Let's take a little look at this dress. I agree. Hey, Nicole. Hey. So I heard you've been saying a few things about me, and I want to hear what you have to say. Did you call me a social climber? I did. You did? Do you know the definition of a social climber? Yes. Look, let me, listen, instead of just us getting into this. You made a really big statement about my character by saying that. You know that, right? So keep that big ball energy and don't let him shrink to raisins right now. I don't shrink to raisins for anyone. Okay. So keep that energy. Keep that same energy. You are one way when you don't have the people backing you up. Oh, my God. I stand alone. By the way, I don't want anyone backing me up. I literally lost your shit. You literally lost your shit. I built my own fucking ladder. I didn't get to where I am in life because I'm not. I didn't see your shit ladder. I'm a social climber. Do you know what a social climber is? Yeah. Someone who attaches themselves to someone who has a greater status so they can gain a greater status. So who are you referring to? You're, you're. Go on, say B. Come on. Just tack out your tongue. Come on, talk. Your friend can do no wrong. Your victim is friends. You can do no wrong. Yes. Yes. Victim. You guys are like trying to get everyone against you. You guys are like, cool, you've done it. I've heard something that Chrishell didn't like. And Chrishell is, you're with me or I'm going to fucking end you. You are so miserable. I don't know what we need to do, but I feel like you just need to be happier and then we would have less problems. Interesting, because I think I could say the same about you. I am like the happiest person in the whole world. Have you lost your mind? Clearly. I'm so happy. You're so happy. I am so happy. You're so happy and I'm nice and I'm so happy to empower other women. You're worried about, you're worried about, really? Yeah. You empower other women. Okay. Yes, I do. Interesting. And in people that are younger, you're immature and you have a lot to learn from you. You're not a kind person at all. Yes, I am a very kind person. You're always pretty miserable. I don't know if I should kick up your ass. Maybe you should switch it up. You know, we're at a sex party. I will donate my sex toy to you if you need it. Okay. I don't need a sex toy. That's not happening. Seriously, you don't realize, you can't take a look in the mirror and realize that you're the problem. You made a comment about my character. You haven't made a comment about my character for the last six months. You think I'm fucking fine about it? What are your thoughts? You know what? I wish our listeners could watch what's happening on the screen. I feel like it's just some context. While they're having this little fight, it'll shoot to a person with just a bedazzled boobs and Chelsea dancing on these, I don't know. I don't know what they're called, but just these dancers. It's a very interesting vibe. But I feel like, okay, this is not directly on the topic of their fight. One thing that I do find so rude that they do on this show is why do you always have to get in fights at someone's very special event? Because the funny thing, too, is one of the fights that we saw last episode also happened at Chelsea's open house. I feel like we can get into Chelsea at another time, but it's just basic disrespect. I'm like, why would you do that at someone's birthday? And it's very clearly, she talks about how she never had birthdays growing up, all this stuff. This is just the wrong time and place for this. I also think, we didn't say this part of the clip, but right before that, Emma goes up to Chelsea and she's like, I love you, but there's something I have to handle. And then she walks over to Nicole. She even knows that it's kind of annoying to do that at the party, and then she still did it. But I think it's just because that's where the cameras are. And they obviously, to some extent, want to get it on camera. Yeah. I'm sure they definitely push for it to happen there, but it is just, I don't know. It does make me question your validity as a friend, because you can't put your differences aside for someone's birthday. Yeah. Come on. And I feel like Chelsea's friends with everyone, too. Yeah. Emma and Chelsea are good friends, so it's like, why would you do that? Literally. Okay. Also, note the victim thing for later. Because she said, again, like, oh, Grishelle is being your victim friend. But in a later clip, this becomes ironic, I would say, with Nicole's complaint. The whole, like, oh, Nicole, you need to be happier thing, I feel like that's like a weird, like, I feel like that's just, like, people do say that, where it's like, oh, like, XYZ person just, like, is not happy enough, that's why they're acting this way. And I feel like that's just, like, kind of, that has, like, weird implications to me. I agree. And I think, is Nicole extremely pessimistic? Yes. Yes. And I think that is a problem, because I feel like most people can agree that it is, it can be really difficult to be friends with someone that's always bringing you down and always finds something to complain about. However, I agree. I think the problem of making it about, like, oh, you're not happy, or I'm so happy, like, I'm the happiest person, like, I empower people. I think that's just, like, a weird, like, that feels very childish. And it's, like, the issue with her isn't that she's, like, sad, it's, like, the way she's behaving. Yeah. So, like, to, like, make those two things one, I feel like is, like, not, not a good thing. Obviously, on MSI. But it is also really patronizing to just be, like, oh, you're not happy, like, all this stuff. And I feel like the concept of being, like, happy or sad, like, that's not completely in someone's control. Yeah. And so it's, like, that is just, I don't know, that is just kind of a low blow. But then it is weird, too, when I was, like, oh, I'm so happy, like, what, like, why, like, why is this something you have to prove? Yeah. Like, it does take a weird little turn, I guess. And then I think another thing I just wanted to bring up, and I guess ask you a little bit about, but. A little role reversal. But, okay. So, how do you, what are your thoughts on Ms. Bull telling Emma that she behaves differently when she's in public versus when it's just the two of you? Oh, okay. My, like, question, I guess, is, like, does she count, like, when they're being recorded as public? Because to me, it's, like, oh, Emma does always seem the same on the show. But I do wonder if, like, when the cameras are off, and, like, they actually are in private, if she acts differently. But I would say, like, she's always, like, oh, you act differently around Crishelle. She also said that at the baby shower last season. And it's, like, I don't know, I feel like she, I never see her acting that differently. Also, I feel like, I think it's kind of normal to behave differently around your best friend versus people that you're not as close with, or even people that are mean to your best friend. Oh, that's true. I mean, obviously, Emma's not going to be all buddy-buddy with Nicole. And, like, I don't know why. That's the thing, too. That makes me wonder, like, if Nicole has, not to be like, oh, does she have friends? But it's, like, obviously, you're going to act differently around people that you're close to and, like, chat with them differently than you would act. That's not you sucking up to them. That's you literally being friends with them. Yeah. And then I also think it's kind of weird, and I guess I'll ask your thoughts on this, too. And I think this is an interesting parallel, that Nicole is getting mad at Emma for bringing up the fact that Nicole was talking bad about her and calling her a social climber, when last season, with the whole drug scandal, obviously, different situations, but Nicole is also getting mad at Chrishell for tarnishing her professional reputation and for kind of calling her something that may or may not be true, where I think there are obviously different, because I think there's a difference between calling someone a social climber and saying that someone is on drugs. And then being, like, insistent about it. Yeah. Like, obviously, there's a difference, but I think that it kind of pulls into this idea that Nicole is kind of, I don't know, she's very incapable of, like, I don't know if it's a self-awareness thing or just, like, understanding how things apply. Yeah. To other people. I also think, like, she sees her career, she's like, I prioritize real estate, I do this, I do this. And I think maybe she just thinks that, like, Emma is less, like, driven and legitimate in that, like, space. Yeah. But then I feel like, from my understanding, I feel like Emma is very successful. Yeah. But then also, we're talking about her success, I think it is funny when Emma's like, oh, I built myself up. Because, like, she did fully come, like, from money. Yeah. And I feel like that is always, like, a really funny argument, because it's like, girl, you have a private jet, and I know that's not coming from your empanadas. Yeah. But I think, I don't know, I feel like she is kind of more so talking about the fact that she built herself up in terms of, like, the social sphere. The entire idea of being a social climber is weird to me, too, because it's like, how can you say someone's a social climber versus someone wants friends? Like, to some extent, it's like a motivation thing that only the person doing it can even know. Yeah. Like, obviously, there are times where you can tell that someone's a social climber. But there are other times where it's like, okay, could Emma be a social climber? I guess. Like, if she just has, like, crazy motivations that she doesn't tell anyone about. Yeah. But, like, from what we see, there's no reason to believe that, any more than anyone else who's in luxury real estate. Yeah. But, like, arguably, you have to be a social climber to even come close to being in that field. This is true. I also think, because I feel like Chrishell, oh, wait, can you, do you have your phone on you? Is it recording? Oh. I don't have Instagram downloaded. Uh-oh. So I'm just going to ask how many followers. I think if you just search Chrishell up, you can see. Because I think, oh. Okay, because Chrishell has 4 million followers. Yeah. But I feel like for, like, being a celebrity, I'm like, this is like a C-list celebrity. Right. Like, you're not that famous, but I feel like Chrishell's, like, the threshold, because she's the most famous on the show. And I feel like she, Nicole is calling Emma a social climber for being best friends with Chrishell. Oh, yeah. Which I understand, but I'm like, I'm sorry, Chrishell's, like, not, like, that famous. Also, like, the reason Chrishell's so famous from the show is because they edited her to be the main character. Yeah. So if anything, like, that would make Chrishell a social climber. And Nicole wasn't even on the show until it got popular. Yeah. And then she, like, wanted to get casted. So if anyone's a social climber and doing stuff for social climbing purposes, it would be Nicole. Right. And then, I don't know. I also feel like, okay, let's say that Emma is a social climber and she really tried to become friends with Chrishell so that she could get more followers. Yes. I think that's entirely possible. However, it's not that deep. Like, I don't think it's, like, worth getting in a screaming fight as your friends per se. And I think it's like, oh, like, if you're friends with someone on reality TV, like, someone you work with on reality TV, there are going to be a lot of motivations going into that friendship. Like, so it's like, I don't even think Emma knows why she's necessary. Like, I don't think anyone knows why 100% they're, like, friends with the people they are. Yeah. It's just like, oh, there are factors that went into it, and then you got along, and then this other thing, this other thing, and then you're, like, friends, and then you spend time together. So it's not like the only reason Emma is hanging out with Chrishell is social climbing, because they literally have to hang out because they work together. Yeah. And they clearly do get along very well. Yeah, because also it's like, I think they have a very strong outside-of-work friendship. Yeah. That's a weird dynamic, too. It is. But I feel like sometimes it just happens. Yeah. Because I feel like theirs happened very organically. Because I remember when Emma came in, and, like, Mary was, like, introducing her to Chrishell, and they were, like, and then you just, like, saw it develop a lot. But you could tell, like, when you came into new seasons that they were just a lot closer. I agree. So I think theirs just happened way, like, definitely off-air and very organically. I think especially season five to season six, they became closer, and that does line up with when, like, Chrishell was breaking up, or when things ended with Jason, which makes sense, too, because then it's like, oh, Chrishell is looking for more people who's around, other people in, like, that she's around, and then Emma was probably just a good friend. Yeah. Because especially, oh, this makes, I didn't even think about that, but then that makes even more sense, because at the same time, Chrishell was kind of losing Mary as a friend. Oh, yeah. So it probably created that little space, and, like, I'm sure she was going through a lot, so it's probably, like, I needed, you know, that support. And Emma, I do think, is a really good friend. Yeah. Like, she's very empathetic, so. Should we play, should we continue the clip? Let's continue. Listen, she asked if I said I called her a social climber. I said yes. Hold on, I need to pause, right? I need to know the conversation. I don't know why this is such a big deal. It's a huge deal. It is a huge deal. It is a huge deal. So all the things that these two have said about me, like, I'm just supposed to take it? You've said horrific things about me. You've said nothing but horrific things about me. And I will continue to say everything I say about you is true. You want to be nice? I was nice to you. We got along. We did business together. Emma was nice to me. You didn't want to do business together. You don't know what work is. Nicole, I make more than you in five minutes than you could ever make in five years. It's going to be around for a long time. I'm working on this. Okay. You rearranged your whole face. What? You got everything done. I rearranged my face? Fucking mean girls. Literally the definition of mean girls. No, listen, you dish it, we can dish it back. You and your bodyguard friends, you guys have a real problem. I called you a slut. Move on. Move on, Emma. You're going to be kind to somebody like this? I've been absolutely thrilled. I remember so much bullshit, but so many untrue things. So when you say that, you're telling me that? No, I'm talking to her. She can talk. That's not fair. When I say stop talking, it's because I just want her to know why if we walk away from this table, and I can't fuck with you anymore, it's because things really fucked up that you would call Emma a social climber, because she could not be more opposite of that. And she's a good person. Everybody loves her. I adore her. My children adore her. You're an awful person. You're an awful person. Shut up. You're an awful human being. Truly. Thank you. Oh my God, so much happened. It's scribbling down, though. Oh my goodness, but okay. Do you want to start or do you want me to? I feel like I can give my first bullet point. We can go back and forth. Okay, I think Nicole makes so many claims that she just can't substantiate at all. Like, she'll just say stuff. She'll be like, people are coming at me. I'm being grilled by people. People are doing so much stuff. I think she legitimately believes that, but it's just so divorced from reality. Yeah, and like, she does see herself as the ultimate victim. She thinks that anything that Chrishell does is directly to negatively impact her. Yeah. And it's like, I think the whole, like, Chrishell's whole argument, which I think is, like, the truth, is that Chrishell just, like, exists, and like, sure, maybe some things affect Nicole, but it's none of it's intentionally. Like, Chrishell doesn't give a, like, she does not care about what's going on in Nicole's life, and Nicole thinks that Chrishell just has this vendetta against her. Yeah. And so, and then Nicole, like, does and says things purposely to hurt Chrishell or her reputation, so obviously Chrishell's going to react back, and then that's when Nicole's like, you're a horrible person, you know? Yeah. Also, I feel like that's so low. Okay. On one hand, I feel like the horrible person thing is so low, and it's just crazy to have, like, because she's friends with Amanda, so even ignoring the other two, for Amanda to be like, I love Chrishell, my children love Chrishell, and I know Amanda at some point is like, my children call both Chrishell and Nicole, like, anti-Chrishell, anti-Nicole. Yeah. So to have your friend be saying, like, oh, I'm very close to this person, my children are close to this person, and then to be like, you're an awful person in front of your friend and in front of that person is just, like, I don't understand how you expect to maintain friendships behaving like that. Which, okay, also, you just saying that, like, okay, because I feel like for, when I, when there is something that I dislike that I know a friend of mine likes, I will never tell them. Especially if it's a person. Yeah, because I'm like, especially a person, too, because I'm like, I, like, I'm your friend, and I'm, am your friend for a reason, and I love you, and even if we don't like the same people or the same things, I still respect the fact that you like it for a reason, and I'm not here to hate on your parade. Like, I, like, as a friend, I would just never do that. Yeah. And so it's like, you're right, like, the audacity of Nicole to say you're a horrible person to Emma after Amanda's defending them, I think it was to Chrishell. Oh, you're, no, no, no, you're right, it was to Chrishell. I actually have it that much out against Emma. You're right, it was to Chrishell. Yeah. But it's like, like, why are you saying that? And it's like, what did Chrishell do? Like, she just walked over there, like, two minutes into the conversation because it was a fight. Also, like, in the grand scheme of things, how much has Chrishell actually done to Nicole? Like, one bad comment. Well, from Nicole's perspective, though, because she, like, she, like, the event happens, and then she interprets it in a way, and then she goes and complains about it to everyone, and it keeps getting spun and spun and spun, so, like, from her perspective, she's like, oh, Chrishell called me a fucking bitch when I was just trying to have a peaceful conversation with her about our past business deals, and then we went on this trip that was supposed to be fun, but then she said I was on crack, and then everyone got mad at me, and then Mary was crying, like, all of those things to Mary, to Mary, to Nicole seem like Chrishell's fault, but it's like, that's not what actually happened. No. And I, I don't know, I just think that Nicole, like, she, I feel like she, from her point of view, she had to say that Chrishell is a horrible person in front of Amanda as a form of saving face, because then, because it's kind of signaling to Amanda, like, no, I have, like, you're friends with me for a reason because you trust my judgment or whatever, and so when I'm saying that this person is horrible, I'm actually telling you, you should understand that this person is horrible. Okay, that's interesting, too, because I feel like she really wants people to be on her side. Like, we'll see this later, but I think she wants Amanda to, like, somehow realize that she's right and then be on her side, because that will make her feel, like, justified, and when she doesn't then get that reaction, she almost sees it as Chrishell's fault. She's like, now it's Chrishell's fault that Amanda doesn't like me, too. Yeah. Okay, I think something else I noticed was Nicole told Chrishell, like, you don't know what work is. You make all your money from Instagram, basically, which, what do you think about that? Because I think that's, like, really looking down on a group of people. See, I think that this is, I think this is where the social climber comes into play, because, and I would say that it stems from jealousy, because, Nicole, like, why else are you joining the show six seasons in? Yeah, like, you're mad at people for trying to be an influencer and you're on a fucking reality TV show. Right? But it's like, okay, basically, Nicole is mad that she's not getting as, she's jealous of Chrishell for getting all this Instagram attention, which is generating a lot of money for her. Yeah. And Emma, because she's friends, like, regardless of whether or not Emma's a social climber, she still benefits through followers, through gaining followers for being friends with Chrishell, because Chrishell's always posting her and all this stuff, so it's like, she's getting followers, hence the social climber claim. Yeah. And so I feel like Nicole is jealous, but then she also weaponizes that idea that Chrishell benefits from Instagram, because she wants to belittle Chrishell, but she's also just like, I wish that was me. And then this also leads us to an important idea of how Chrishell says, before coming onto the show, you rearrange your whole face. And so I guess this gets explained later on, but it is Chrishell being like, you literally got so much work done before the show, like, right before the show started, which Chrishell also acknowledges that, like, they all have had work done. But it's like... The whole other episode. What? The plastic surgery. Oh. Yeah, I was like, do I need to stop now? Oh, no. But she's like, oh, like, we've all gotten work done, but Nicole's getting a shit ton of work done right before the show is starting, because she wants to look appealing for the fans, and she wants to, like, market herself so that she can get Instagram famous, you know? Because if she was more successful on Instagram, she wouldn't look down on it. Like, the reason she likes, she thinks that being a realtor is so, like, great and cool is because she thinks she's good at it. Because I also, like, look at all of their Instagrams sometimes. Oh, I do, too. Oh, I do. And I see Nicole posting, but it's just like, oh, this listing for this amount of money, dah, dah, dah. And sometimes she also posts, like, bikini pics and stuff, too. So it's like, Nicole, come on. Because it is just, wait, let me see how many followers she has. Oh, well, clearly she's on Instagram, because of the one. Okay, because she has, okay, because Rochelle has 4 million, and Nicole has 64,000. So I'm surprised it's that low. I guess the edit really makes Nicole look bad. Yeah, I mean, her Instagram's not even bad. Like, because Christine has to have. I think Christine has more than Rochelle. I've done the stalking. Oh, really? See, okay, I honestly was, like, really in the season 6 and 7. Like, I watched the other ones of 6 and 7, and I was like, oh, my gosh. So I kind of forget, and then I rewatched 6 and 7, too. So I kind of forget how big of a character Christine was. Well, Christine has 5 million followers, so 1 million more than Rochelle. And it looks like she was on Vogue, which I'm kind of confused by. But maybe she got into modeling. That's what I think is up. But I've always been confused for how Christine has more followers than Rochelle, because I do think that, like, obviously it was mainly, like, Christine versus Rochelle, and that was kind of the entire show. But I would argue that Rochelle had more airtime. Yeah. I don't know. It does kind of confuse me. But I feel like Christine does make good content. Oh, my God. Our AI, the site we use to edit the audio, AI generates, like, a summary of the show. And it was saying that Christine was our favorite character. It had, like, a whole paragraph on discussion, and I was talking about Christine. We mentioned her, like, what? So I'm sure now it will be like, they talked about Christine for the full episode. Their favorite character Christine is brought up once again. You know, Christine got what she wanted. She's still forever. I feel like it would be so fun to, like, this is so unrelated, but to, like, make, like, a fake podcast and then just see what the AI says about it. Like, just say, like, weird sentences that make no sense, and have the AI try and make sense of it. That would be really funny. Maybe that's our next podcast. They solved all the mysteries of the universe in this episode. Oh, oh, my one final comment. I think, too, like, what you were saying with her conflating, like, a career in social media with, like, inherently kind of being a social climber because you're trying to get followers, she's just trying to delegitimize the fields that other people are successful in so that she feels better about herself and her, like, real career of real estate. So true. Because, yeah, I just, because so much, I don't know, I do feel bad for the Nicole in the sense that her behavior gives me the impression that she is, like, a deeply insecure and jealous individual. I feel like we'll see that in the clip with her husband, the next clip. We can't wait. But I feel like it is just kind of hard. I don't know. Like, it is such an interesting example of someone that is in a weird position, I guess. And so it's like they really, like, she really is out to get people in the sense that she needs to find validation. Yeah. Through tearing other people down. Yeah. And so she does produce an interesting dynamic to the show. But I would also argue that unlike the Christine seasons, she does, like, her drama does play, like, a big part in the season. But it's not every, like, there's just so many others going on. So it's like she didn't even succeed at being a villain. That's so frustrating. Okay, not to keep comparing Nicole to my childhood self, but I will say, like, if someone, but, okay. Lower background. Oh, my God. I hope my sister watches this. I feel like I had beef with my triplet sister because I was always like, oh, people are, like, comparing us and, like, I don't feel like an individual. Not that I don't feel special, but it's like I guess I don't feel seen. And I will say if someone put a camera on our interactions, I would try and kind of, if that were to happen, obviously it never did, but if I was on a reality show at that time, I feel like I would act in similar ways to Nicole. Because it's just like, oh, you have to, like, prove that you're right from a position that you yourself kind of know isn't right because you're already in too deep to get out of it. And then it's like, oh, the producers are probably setting up these little interactions and then she's, like, trapped in a corner where she has to defend herself or admit she's wrong, which she isn't in a position to do psychologically. And then it's just like, oh, she has to say absurd things because that's the only way that she can justify to herself what she's doing and then she just immediately says that. And I feel like that is, like, I don't know. I feel like being put in that position, like, outside of this show, like, obviously she doesn't have to be there, but it is, like, difficult to navigate. I have to wonder how much of what was edited or how much, because I know the producers definitely ask leading questions to the people on the show. And so I wonder, because obviously Chris Shell is, like, edited to be the main character, so to a certain degree they make her out to be the hero. And so I wonder, because to maintain the fact that there needs to be a villain, I wonder how much they paint or take things out that Nicole may have said or done that further, like, gets her stuck into this hole of being portrayed as a bad person. Because maybe they, like, don't edit anything at all and, like, we're just seeing the full thing. But maybe there is, like, another backstory or maybe there's something else or, like, some interaction that just never made the cut. And so we're just kind of seeing things and being like, man, she really sucks. Like, I am curious. Well, this is so meta, too, because also Nicole, I think, is aware of the Chris Shell hero dynamic. Then it's like, oh, if you know you're going to be fucked over in the edit, then it's like you're even more in a defensive position. Yeah. Because then it's like, why do I even care at this point? Because it's like, I'm not going to, yeah. Yeah. I think that, like, Nicole does act in ways that, like, even if unprompted and even not in a bad situation, I think she would act in ways that were, like, not great. But I do think the context is, like, just adds so much fuel to the fire. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I hope Nicole gets the help she needs. How are you feeling after the selfie? Did you talk to anyone? No. Honestly, I'm just, I don't know how to navigate the situation. It freaks me out. It got crazy. Emma confronted Nicole about Nicole calling Emma a social climber. And then the next thing you know, it was, like, Emma and Christelle on one side, Nicole on the other, and it literally just went banana. The thing that really just put me over the edge was when Amanda said, if you called Emma a social climber, I can't fuck with you. Mm-hmm. It just feels very heavy, you know? Yeah. I don't want to see you crying and upset like that. Just so you know, I sent a text to Amanda last night. I get a text from Nicole's husband that says two words, Amanda. Fuck you. That just says someone's brain is? Oh, wow. If you love someone, protect them. Yeah, exactly. I'm not saying that what he said to Amanda was right that night, but I'm saying I just appreciate that someone said something. I do not agree ever with a grown man to do that like that. I don't think he would have said that if I had a husband or a boyfriend. Do you know any of your mom's? Yeah, I have Brandon on my phone. We're friends. I can't have this in my life. I can't come home from a friend's birthday party in shambles to where I can't even go to sleep until 4 in the morning. I've always been, like, the protector of my friends, of my sister, of you. And sometimes I just want someone to stand up for me. I'm a little nervous about Nicole and I's friendship at this point, to be honest. I'm seeing a different side of her that I can't say that I really like. I mean, we've all known Nicole for a long time. She might have made some missteps. She might have said some stupid shit. It's fine. But I don't think anybody, in particular Nicole, deserves to have the vitriol spewed her way that she's had. I completely agree. Like, she should not be, like, attacked by everybody like that. But she also can't go around saying that people are social climbers and think there's not going to be backlash for that. Well, if she did start this, coming after Cachelle. On every level, all of them, we did just squash it. I mean, I have two different, like, experiences with, like, Nicole and Cachelle. And I just, like, had this experience with Cachelle where she just, like, said hi to me when Jason was around and otherwise didn't speak to me. It's such a bummer that I can't be friends with Cachelle because I know how important she is to Jason. But I think that you and Cachelle have gotten closer the last... Okay, I feel like we can stop it there. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot to unpack from that. We're taking my thoughts together. Okay. So, what are your thoughts on Nicole's husband saying to Amanza, Amanza, two words? Fuck you. Okay. I can't even picture that. He kind of looks like a gamer but, like, not really. And then he kind of looks like that one guy on TikTok that makes those videos with his face, like, way too close up to the camera talking about relationships. Have you seen those? No, I haven't. Well, if you know, you know. Okay. I honestly think that that is so unnecessary. But also, like, I can't even imagine what Nicole is saying to him. You know what I mean? Yeah. And he's obviously only seeing her side. Yeah. But, okay, like, I feel like if you, from her husband's perspective, if he's, like, hearing, like, if Nicole's coming home crying and being like, oh, Amanza, and, like, you know Amanza, like, said these things to me, like, okay, sure, maybe he wants to, like, defend Nicole. But it's, like, I'm sorry, like, the fact that he did it without even telling Nicole, like, this isn't even your situation. Like, what he did was wrong, period. But, like, even doing it without Nicole's consent or even letting her know, I think, crosses a boundary that's even worse because that also crosses into, like, unprofessional. Like, that's, like, so unprofessional. That's so true. It's like, okay, you're someone's husband, like, the fact that he is sending his wife's, like, colleague, his wife's colleague, a text saying fuck you, but then, like, also just the fact that he's texting his wife's colleague. Yeah. Like, that's, okay, but my thing, like, I totally agree with what you're saying, but that's what feels staged to me because Nicole's reaction when he's like, oh, I just wanted to let you know I texted Amanza, fuck you. She's like, oh. Like, the way she said oh, I was like, she already knew. Oh. You know, like, she was like, I'm so glad someone was defending me. I think that's to save face because if the world knows that Nicole told her husband or was involved in that decision, she looks bad. But if it was just his decision based on seeing her so upset, oh, she didn't do anything wrong. You know what I mean? You know what? I think you're right. I didn't even think about that, but I was going to say, okay, then how does that, then, okay, but then Nicole also kind of admits that that wasn't the right thing to do. Yeah. But then do you think that's her just kind of, like, reflecting on it, like, the next day? Yeah, I think she does stuff, yeah, I think she's just trying to distance herself from it, but I don't see a world in which he would, because why would he, there's no way the first time he was telling her about it was on camera. Yeah, especially, like, 24 hours later. Yeah, like, oh. And she's like, I was in shambles until 4 a.m., which, speaking of, what do you make of her being sad until so late? Like, hello? I don't, I guess for her it probably feels like a friend breakup from Amanda, and this is also what kind of pisses me off. And we have this conversation on our last episode, too, it's like, okay, Amanda, like, is she picking a side? Yeah. But Nicole isn't realizing, like, no, she's trying to mediate between two of her friends. Yeah. And so, like, she's literally telling you, like, hey, I'm friends with both of you, and I love both of you, but you can't talk about my friend like this. Yeah. And, like, I appreciate my friend, and you cannot be saying mean things. Like, Nicole, what is there to defend? You said something wrong and hurtful, and, like, she's, as your friend, trying to keep you in check. Like, I think that's something a friend should do is, like, keep you in check and be like, no, you shouldn't do that, or, like, that's not nice. I think at least to some extent, like, even beyond that, it's like Amanda saying, at least don't say that in front of me. Like, at least pretend like you don't hate one of my close friends in front of me. Yeah. And Nicole can't even do that. Oh, my God. Okay. I did have another thing. What? Because, okay, Nicole is all, like, Chrishell is trying to be a victim, but then she says, like, I'm so glad you're to her husband. She's like, I'm so glad someone will finally stand up for me. Doesn't that imply that she sees herself as a victim in need of someone to stand up for her? Ooh, ooh, I love this analysis. So good. And it's, yeah, but she does so play into this whole victim idea, which Chrishell, I would argue, doesn't. I think this season, Chrishell doesn't really, like, Chrishell's very much like, oh, like, she kind of, like, I was going to say she takes the offensive, but I feel like a lot of her behavior is her responding to Nicole, and she doesn't wallow. Like, she's, like, straight up, like, no, you have a problem, like, I'm going to give that energy back to you. Like, I'm not going to sit around and, like, let you make me a victim. And I think it's interesting, too, because I noticed Chrishell being, like, Nicole, you need to stop doing, and then she'll be, like, this specific thing. Like, Nicole, stop calling Emma a social climber. Nicole, stop doing this, doing this. Whereas Nicole always wants to go back to the past, and she's like, oh, in the past, you did this bad thing to me. In the past, you did this, so my actions now are justified. So instead of, like, wanting Chrishell to change any of her behavior in the present, she wants everyone else to acknowledge that Chrishell harmed her in the past, which I feel like is honestly, like, goes with what you're saying with, like, Nicole acting like a victim, whereas Chrishell is just kind of, like, dealing with the situation in front of her. Yeah, and then that also brings up a weird little dynamic, too, because Chrishell also hints to the fact that, oh, we used to be friends, and we used to have a working relationship. So then it kind of, like, other than the one situation when Chrishell didn't do the work, and so she was like, I just won't get paid, like, it's like, Nicole, you're basing this on absolutely nothing. Yeah. Like, you just want attention. That's why I think it's more about, like, the way Chrishell's existence makes Nicole feel about herself as opposed to any specific thing Chrishell has done. And I just don't even think Nicole herself realizes that. Oh, my God. I agree, because I think Nicole, like, can't even acknowledge that, like, what she's doing is, like, ridiculous, because she just, I don't know, I think she just hasn't done that soul searching. Okay, literally, because I feel like she's mad, and she doesn't exactly know why, but she knows who it's directed at, like, she knows who's causing these feelings, but she, like, I don't think she could articulate why. And so then when she can kind of cling to one thing, she wants to do that, because basically she feels the thing, and she knows that what she's feeling is real, because she's experiencing it. Yeah. And then when other people's perception of the situation do not align with how she's behaving, she then thinks that they're kind of invalidating her feelings and her reality, because, like, she feels these things, but it's not being acknowledged by other people. Oh, I like that. That's my final conclusion. But I will say that does kind of remind me of a friendship that I've had in which I was very jealous of my friend, and so any time that we would hang out, I would project in the sense that, like, I could find anything, like, even the way she breathes, I was like, this is so wrong. Or I feel like I would base everything on how she made me feel, but it was like I would make things up. Like, it's the whole confirmation bias. Like, you look for something that you want to be found, and then it was like I would get mad when everybody would be all over her, but I'm like, no, this is literally me projecting my jealousy. And so it's, like, it's not even, like, it's, like, my friend is literally just existing, doing her thing, and, like, being a good friend, but I'm, like, oh, I'm, like, so jealous that, like, I'm just so blinded by it that I can't, like, see you for what you are, and so I need someone to validate me, and that's, you're right, like, that is exactly what Nicole's doing. Which is why I think, like, it's good to be able to, like, validate the situation, but not necessarily, like, the actions and behaviors. Because, like, okay, going back to my favorite example, it's like, yeah, the way you're feeling is, like, real, and, like, it affects you, but that doesn't necessarily mean that, like, the other person is inherently a bad person. But I would say if other people can't recognize, like, the struggle of the situation that you're in, and they just see you as, like, a quote-unquote, like, bad person for behaving in the ways you do, I can see how that would be, like, harmful to your, like, self-perception. Yeah. Talk about self-perception of her saying that, okay, of her saying that, like, oh, no one's standing up for me, blah, blah, blah. Brett and Marilu both stand up for her, like, girl. Yeah. Like, what are you talking about? I feel like to some extent the Marilu thing is a whole different conversation. But, yeah, Brett, I'm sorry, what is Brett? He's so random. He's really just there, and then he'll, like, come in for, like, a few lines. He's there for the dinner. I also think, what do you make of Jason kind of defending Cruchel? Jason is always going to defend Cruchel. I think that's interesting. Yeah. Oh, also his shirt. Actually, I would wear that. Never mind. He loves the Hawaiian shirt. Yeah. Yeah, he will. In this case, he's right, though. I agree. I mean, okay, obviously he's still in love with the Cruchel. Okay. I guess we can save that for another episode. This is a preview for her. Maybe there'll be a little debate. Oh, my God, I know. We need to get Evan on that one. But, yeah, so I just feel like, I don't know. Why is Marilu commenting? Because it's like you can't base a fight with, like, a history behind it off of your, like, individual reactions with, like, two of your boyfriends' exes. Oh, yeah, I know. I feel like everyone's so darn right, Cruchel. But, yeah, like, I feel like you're, well, okay, I will say, though, like, if someone is talking about, like, a fight between two people and I know and don't like one of them, will I explain that? You know what? This is true, but it's also, like, okay, I don't know. Just given all the context of this fight, like, Marilu, like, you can have your personal feelings on them, but, like, your opinion, like, you don't understand the full context of this, and so you won't be able to provide a good analysis. Also, if anything, Nicole being nice to Marilu is the fakest behavior. Yeah. I'm sorry. No, it is. The fact that Marilu can't see, like, okay, because it comes up later that, I think this already came up, actually, that Nicole posted for Marilu's birthday, like, hopefully future Mrs. Oppenheim, if you can't see that as a jab against Cruchel and not a compliment to you, like, I don't know if we're looking at the same post because, like, it's fake. That's so performative. No, it really is because it's just, like, girl, like, what are you doing? Like, if it would serve Nicole to be mean to Marilu, that's exactly what she would do. Okay. So what happens next, we're just going to summarize because there aren't any, like, great clips to analyze, but I think it's important context. So basically they're at a showing. Okay. So Jason has Cruchel and Nicole working on the same showing again, which is another fucking setup, in my opinion, to, like, get them together. Like, again, Nicole is being put in these situations where she has to interact with Cruchel, but then they're all there and then Cruchel is, like, talking and she's, like, I only want to do this listing if it's just me or it's just Nicole. I don't want to have another one of these situations. And then, which is also notably interesting that that's on camera, and then she apologizes for, like, she, like, apologizes for her behavior and Nicole doesn't apologize and she leaves. And then later Nicole is talking to Mary and she is, like, oh, yeah, Cruchel apologized. And Mary asks if Nicole apologized and Nicole says no. And then Mary asks, oh, was Jason there? And Nicole says yeah. And they kind of use that to imply that Cruchel was only apologizing because Jason was there, which I think is ridiculous, too, because it's, like, Jason is your boss. Obviously it's fine that he's there. So that's what happens then. Also, I, yeah, I guess real quick, like, I do, I think Cruchel, I remember watching it and I was, like, you know what? Cruchel probably shouldn't have done it in front of Jason because I feel like it makes it seem less genuine. However, like, I think just from watching the scene, like, Cruchel's apology did feel very genuine to me and, like, she did, she was the one to initiate it. And it's, like, last season we saw she, like, called Nicole a hard worker or whatever. Like, she really doesn't want to be. Yeah. No, she doesn't. And I feel like she will apologize if she feels like she did something wrong. Yeah. But then we have another scene where they go to Cabo. And actually I think we should have an episode analyzing Cabo because I think it's kind of problematic that they do that. But another time. But anyways, so they go to Cabo and it's supposed to be a work trip but also kind of a vacation trip. Yeah. Unclear. Yeah. But anyways, so, like, oh, my God, there's, like, kind of a lot that goes down the more I'm thinking about it. But I'll try and condense it. But basically, so Emma, as I said before, has a private jet. So she invited Cruchel and then Chelsea and Amanda were also invited. So they all go on Emma's private jet and then everybody else, which is basically Nicole, Brett, and Jason, they go separately on, like, a public plane. And so later Nicole gets all mad because she's like, oh, my God, I wasn't invited. I was uninvited to this private jet. Like, I was told that I couldn't come. But then, and correct me if I'm wrong, but basically the whole idea was that Emma was like, I never invited you in the first place. Like, and I think it was Brett or Jason, but one of them was like, oh, everybody's going on the private jet because he had, like, a little case of misinformation. But Emma was like, no, I never invited you. And also, like, why would you be mad because we're not even friends and you called me a social climber. You told my best friend she's horrible. Like, why would you want to be on a private jet with these people? Like, why would you want to go? And so I feel like that was the whole drama. And then on top of that, Cruchel and Emma also decided to stay in a separate hotel. Even though Jason and Brett had rented out, like, this really nice villa for everyone to stay in. And Nicole got all mad and was like, oh, my God, this is so rude. Like, why would you do this? Like, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I'm like, also, like, what did you, like, you also went to that retreat last season when they went to Palm Springs. And clearly living in a house together for a few nights, like, isn't very good for you guys and it's not healthy. So it's like, you know what, it's okay that they decide to stay somewhere else. Like, that's fine. You're still doing everything else together. Yeah. I agree. So I guess, I don't know, any thoughts on, I honestly think that, like, look, Cruchel is trying, like, she knows what's going to happen if they're together and she's trying to, like, not have that happen. I think that's totally justified. Yeah. And then I also feel like Nicole getting mad at the private jet, like, I don't know. I feel like being excluded from things always sucks. Yeah. But so valid. But, like, why are you being mad when it's, like, a group of, like, it's, like, people you don't like? No, because I'm thinking of, like, okay, what's the group of people I don't like? Well, we know from last episode I actually like being around people I don't like. But I don't know, I wouldn't get offended if, like, the one club we were in that has individuals in it that we might not be best friends with, say, for some reason we were going on a trip together that required a plane flight, if they all went on a private jet and did not invite me, I would not be mad about it. Yeah, I feel like I'd just be, like, I get it. And then also the fact that it's, like, she rode the plane with Brett and Jason too. Like, it's not like she was left all alone and she was the only one excluded. Mary also didn't go on the private jet. Yeah. And, like, I don't know. And then also it's, like, I don't know, you're not friends with them. Yeah. So why are you being so mean to them? Like, hello? So, yeah. Like, why would you expect to be invited to something when you, yeah, when you are so mean and you have told them that they're horrible people? Like, no. Sorry, let me invite you to my private jet. Okay, you know how Nicole is all, like, oh, I didn't think Chrishell and I were friends. But then Chrishell's like, I've had you to my house, like, et cetera. I think Nicole just sees that as, like, a norm that you, like, have to, I don't know, she feels, like, owed that but doesn't think that it implies friendship, which is such a weird vibe. Oh, I see. I didn't even think about that. But I don't know, because I'm also, I don't know, but maybe that also contributes to the idea that, like, in the office, like, they, which we're definitely going to get into with Amanda later, but how a lot of them in the office don't really understand the difference between, like, your work and your, like, personal life. Because I feel like for Chrishell, she's like, no, I'm having you over to my house because, like, we're friends, not because I, like, have to or because we're doing something for work. But I don't know. That is an interesting dynamic to think about. All right. Should we get our last clip? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Okay. This is from the reunion. I feel like it will all be explained. Was a recent online spat that we all saw. Nicole, can you start? What happened? The real, real what happened? I wish, I don't know. How many online spats have there been? What do you mean? I don't know. The comment. I'm homophobic in private. Yeah. What happened was someone had written a comment that said something to the effect of, oh, I was hoping I wouldn't see that lesbian woman. I hope she was back in Australia and not on our TV screen. But, Nicole, you look really great. So I said, thank you. Honestly, it's so ridiculous. I'm like, what am I, is next week I'm going to be a racist animal abuser? Should we read the tweet that was up on screen? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. It actually says, I was hoping the lesbian chick was off in Australia this season and not on our screen. Whatever her name is, I forgot. Nicole, you look great. Fire emoji, fire emoji. And then, it's Nicole Young. Thank you, two exclamation points and a heart. That's crazy. All right. Maybe we'll get into that, but we wanted to do our own reenactment. All right. Let's get back then. You think I'm homophobic. Do not speak for me. Speak. Have your say. Do not speak for me. Okay. Well, there is zero credence to that. I will give zero credence to that. Absolutely no, and anyone who knows me knows that, and it's comical. I don't think being called that's comical, because it's a very dangerous and reckless thing to call someone. When somebody identifies Crishelle through her sexuality in a derogatory way, and then you comment back to it, you're basically co-signing that message. I would never respond to anything that shows any type of discrimination or prejudice, ever. But you saying thank you, and we've got so many eyeballs watching us constantly, is basically saying to your comment, I would have responded, thank you for your comment towards me, but there will be no type of homophobia or prejudice on my page. That's how I would respond. Ask me the question. I'm going to read it. Ask this question. Sorry, please, go ahead. And if this is the case, then this is my mistake, but if saying, you know, a gay man or a lesbian woman, is that homophobic? She said, I can't believe we'll have this lesbian chick back on my screen. That's why I ask. Is that someone saying lesbian? I'm glad you asked. Is that homophobic? And I literally am asking that. In some context, yes. In some context, no. The word in itself is not a bad word. It can be used pejoratively. Can I get you all to stop for just a second? You asked a question, Nicole, and I'm the only impartial party. I know you all can be, but I'm truly the only impartial party. I want you to... If you're a gay man, you should not be. No, no, no. You can wait until you hear me. And this is no shake here. I just want to... I want you to understand what might have hurt. Chelsea is quite right in this situation. No matter what the compliment was that follows the thing that is wildly offensive, you then say, thank you to that. I can see why one would be hurt. If you see a comment that starts out homophobic, there's no need either to delete them, block them. Even if they've given you a compliment, that doesn't negate their homophobia, race, or whatever. I will say that. Now I would like you to tell us how you're feeling about this. What were your thoughts? Why did you respond? Okay, I feel like maybe we should analyze it here and then, analyze what Chris-Chella's saying. Yeah, let's do that. Okay. Okay, what... Were you also annoyed when Nicole pretended to not know what they were talking about? Shut up! Yes! But then... But then, this is where she, like, fucks herself over. Also, I realized, I'm like, oh, my God, my mom could be listening to this at one point, so I've been really censoring my words. But then I was like, I'll just never send this to her. But... I was also thinking about that because I, like, noticed you not cursing, and then I was like, oh, my God. Because also, I was like, did you notice? I also have these phases, like, I actually don't, like, I don't really know how, I just feel like I talk, I don't, like, think about it too much. Yeah. But, like, in, like, high school, like, I would say there was a time when I cursed and I'm embarrassing him out, and I'm like, is that going to be in this podcast? Because I've also, like, this episode has been really hard for me to talk because I am like, oh, I can't curse. I know, I literally noticed that and I was like, uh, why didn't you tell me about this podcast all of a sudden before? It's okay, I'm back up to the cursing, so... Yeah, okay. It was too hard. But, okay, I... That's funny. Okay. Okay, what I find, she incriminated herself in the sense that she goes, what are we talking about? Oh, that thing that's implying that I'm homophobic? Like, by her saying that is, one, because she's, like, directly acknowledging the ghost, and so it's like, then that already makes you a victim for denying it. And then, two, by saying that, like, oh, by saying I'm homophobic, like, that's kind of admitting that, like, you realize that, like, what you did was kind of problematic or at least suggested, like, something that you did suggested that people that you could be homophobic. She... Okay, this is, I think, an example of, like, weapon... The whole, like, oh, is it offensive to call someone a lesbian is such weaponized ignorance. It really is. Like, you know that. And, okay, what really annoys me is she's acting like people calling her homophobic is worse than her being fucking homophobic. Yes! It's like, oh, if I, like... Yes! And then, or no, say I slapped someone really hard. Sorry to edit this example out. I can't even think of a different one. Say I slapped someone, and then they went and said, oh, my gosh, Rachel punched me, and then I was like, I cannot believe they're accusing me of punching them. Yes! That's, like, acting like that's worse than doing the actual thing. Right? Because then she also said... Serious. Because she also said, she's like, oh, no, like, it... Okay, me, this is not a direct quote, but a summarized version. But she says, oh, it's, like, so dangerous to call someone basically a homophobic slur. But then she's not... She's saying it's dangerous to call someone that, which implies, like, it's, like, dangerous to be homophobic, which implies that it's, like, your whole thing, that it's, like, oh, it's bad for your reputation, or you could get called out, like, socially it's bad for you. She doesn't say that, like, using a homophobic slur is hurtful. She says it's dangerous because she's relating it back to herself, rather than thinking about the hurt that she causes on someone. No, and it's, like, she's not actually concerned with, like, oh, I don't want to make Chrishelle and probably a large amount of my audience, who's queer women watching this show... Exhibit A. It's not, like, I don't want to make my audience uncomfortable, and I wouldn't want to make anyone, like, feel bad about themselves. It's, like, oh, this is going to look bad on me. Yeah. And that's what's so, that's what I think is so, like, just disgusting about Nicole's behavior, and this example boils it all down to, like, a very simple level of just being like, she does things that are wrong, but instead of analyzing or trying to reflect on how what she does impacts other people, she's like, oh, how could this, like, turn around and, like, be wrong, or, like, fuck me over? Like, how could this, how could people paint this in a way that makes me look bad? She acknowledges that, like, that was kind of a problematic, that was a problematic, I was going to say tweet, but Instagram comment, but instead of acknowledging, like, that she participated in it, she's like, oh, my God, this is me being painted as homophobic. Also, you have to go out of your way to like a fan post. And to comment! And to comment. And it's, like, okay, the only people that like Nicole are on her Instagram following her and commenting on her post. There's got to be a lot of comments on her post. It's a fine in, like, that one. Like, even if she interacts with fans or whatever, it's like, that is so out of the way. And honestly, maybe she thought people wouldn't see it, I don't know, but it's like, dog. Right? But I will say, because Chelsea, I appreciate her behavior in this, because I think she killed it. But I feel like her saying, like, oh, like, one, I wouldn't comment on something like that that talks bad about, or is just very hurtful to another cast member. But then she's like, but on top of that, like, even if I did, I would say, I'm not going to tolerate this kind of behavior, but thank you for, like, whatever. Right. Like, for what you said about me, but I'm not going to tolerate it. And it's like, okay, if you want the moral high ground of being a hater against Grishelle, don't be, like, honestly, it seems like she probably is a homophobic in private. Oh, she definitely is. Like, if you really want the moral high ground, don't be literally, yeah. And she's like, oh, is it implying I'm being homophobic in private? No, it's implying you're being homophobic in public, because it's online. Oh, my God. Also, why was Jason kind of based, too? I know. This is so true. Like, no, no, no. Put it down. Let me tell you. Because even if he gets it, then it's just like, girl, come on. Come on. Yeah. So, yeah. I feel like, also, this shows that she's clearly not that concerned with her professional reputation. No. So. Because I feel like especially if it's something professional, like, you're very much regulating what you're posting online. Yeah, yeah. Because I don't know. And then it's, because, I don't know. It is just so bizarre. And, like, why are you commenting on things that you know are, like, homophobic? Like, that's just. Like, that's just. Don't do that. Like, I mean, beyond the fact that it's wrong, I think you were kind of saying this earlier, but it's like, that also kind of makes people less likely to support you. Yeah. Because it's like, oh. Like, not only does she dislike Rochelle, but she's also homophobic. Oh, also, I'm sorry. Rochelle's not a lesbian. No. Like, that too, being like, oh, is it offensive to call someone a lesbian who is? Well, first of all. Like. Get it back straight. She's like, okay. Because then, yeah. So that also, I don't know. So. Like, is that what Nicole thinks? I'm sorry, like. Because then I'm like. 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