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So, if you add the stages without any improvement, So, if you add the stages without any improvement, So, if you add the stages without any improvement, So, if you add the stages without any improvement, So, if you add the stages without any improvement, So, if you add the stages without any improvement, So, if you add the stages without any improvement, So, if you add the stages without any improvement, So, if you add the stages without any improvement, I think I need to ask you about this intermediaries. Because intermediaries, for example, just now we're talking about magic, right? Because magic's function is actually to map the R&D to the recipients. And it helps, including PRI. They're not just helping PRI, but they're also helping other companies, SMEs, and so on. So, do you think we must need this help from the intermediaries, like grantees, or intermediaries can also be, for example, just now you said there are lack of knowledge of how to deal with the government, the SOP to deal with the government. They are not aware. So, the intermediary can also be an officer. You said just now, maybe a government officer should be stationed in MIMOS. That can be also intermediary, because this intermediary can help them to produce better R&D output. So, what do you think about MIMOS? Do they need it, or can they accept an intermediary? Because they are intermediaries. So, what do you think about that? I think every organization needs to have a collaboration. They are not standing alone. They have to. They have to change their mindset itself. If they are comfortable at their position, MIMOS itself, I don't think they can sustain for the future. They have to. Maybe they can collaborate with MIMOS, maybe with other agencies. Under Mosty also. Try to put the same platform under Mosty first. If you can explore from the Meranti, from the MIMOS, maybe from other... Actually, they can go for the nuclear itself. They have a collaboration with nuclear from MISA. So, other organizations under Mosty, get this platform first and get closer to understand the business plan. Okay. Because I think MISA also needs MIMOS to support about the R&D for the technology. Maybe about the space, but maybe there's some technology can explore under MIMOS. So, I think MIMOS can collaborate with other organizations. So, MIMOS can also be the intermediary, right? Yeah. In this sense. They can cross-cutting to other industries, especially for R&D. That's why I'm looking if Ministry of Finance can give a ranking to all the GLC companies. Who's the best? Okay. Meranti, MIMOS, BioAcademy Corp, then we know who's the number. Maybe the different angles, maybe the different business oriented. But it's okay. But we know who's the best. Five-star GLC. Who's the number one? Who's the get four-star, three-star? Then, we can incentivize them. Yeah, exactly. Then, they can collaborate. They can get the best practices from the good governance from the other. Like we are Ministry. We have the good Ministry. We have the good Ministry. We have the good Ministry. We have the good Ministry. We have the good Ministry. We have the good Ministry. We have the good Ministry. This kind of thing have to consider for the GLC company. Then, they know. Government is very serious to look into the GLC. It's a good idea. Yeah. Maybe we can suggest you. I think this is great idea. The ranking of GLC, right? So, it's easy for other government agency or other entity to collaborate with us. Then, we can trust the government agency, the company, like the Khazanah itself. There's so many government company, but we don't know who's the best. Maybe Emma also have difficulty to ranking because of the business oriented. It's different. But, it's okay. As long as we know they are on track on their business. This is really that we have to consider for the government money. Okay. Last question for part 2. Strategy. Just now, you're talking about MIMOS rebrand to MIMOS Global, right? So, do you think part from MIMOS rebranding to MIMOS Global, based on your almost 2 years experience dealing with MIMOS, do you have any... What do you think MIMOS strategy that is good that can be emulated by other agency? Or maybe MIMOS Global. It's a very tough question. It's your opinion. Or they don't have? That's why I'm thinking which angle that I want to highlight. MIMOS Global, because I'm not really sure from the previous MIMOS and MIMOS Global itself right now. Because they are still progressing all the planning. Because there's no really big achievement that we can see after the rebrand for the MIMOS Global. Because we are now under RMK12 for the RP4. MIMOS still need support for the government budget for development budget. So, I don't see any big impact after the rebrand for the MIMOS Global. So, maybe it needs more time to show about the MIMOS Global right now. Maybe another 2 or 3 years. Because if you want to rebrand, it's very easy. But to show another level of MIMOS Global, I think they need more time to prove it that MIMOS is really global. Alright, okay. Okay, last part. I think you have some of these questions that you have answered previously. So, I'm going to skip that. So, for example, the assessment and performance of the MIMOS. I think I'm going to use your response like, you know, ranking of JLC to have more. And you need to assess MIMOS current capacity. And also like, you know, if we want to add to the KPI, we need to know the limit or capability of MIMOS to achieve it. So, is there anything that you want to add on the performance indicator of MIMOS? What the Ministry want to show as a desk officer here. I want to know. I really, really want to see MIMOS. They are using their facility, like I said. And have a good prospect within 5 years. Why I said because I don't want MIMOS left behind. 5 years from? From the industry level, from the research institute. Then, because I'm not the board of the meeting, then maybe I don't know the total what the MIMOS plan for the future. Because right now, we are looking at the MIMOS planning for another 5 years for the short term, maybe mid and long term. But until now, we cannot complete for the Memorandum Jemaah Menteri. That's why we are still engaged with MIMOS. Because we try to finish the MDM as soon as possible, maybe about last year until at least by last February. But so many things happened in MIMOS that we have to delay the Memorandum to show that our serious to support MIMOS from the MDM. Then need from the support from the government to invest to put some effort and money and focusing on MIMOS itself. So, I think for the top management, we need the plan and the proper plan for MIMOS for the future. That's all I really want to know. Actually, the government can widely need MIMOS to go beyond to other countries to have the business. If not, I think MIMOS still like that. If you are not really brave to go to the international level, then it will stay at the bottom at the end. Nobody trust MIMOS. Everybody is afraid to deal with MIMOS. Everybody is skeptical about MIMOS. Okay, next one. Apart from patents just now, because not all patents can be commercialized. Some patents cannot be commercialized. It is more on the knowledge. It has to be utilized into something else to be commercialized. So, does the marketability of R&D products of MIMOS should be included in the performance of MIMOS? Yes, it has to. If you want to see the progress, then you have to look to the performance. But it is not happening right now, right? Yeah, as I was talking about the patents. How from the patents you can generate the income. If you put all the patents but cannot generate the income, what for at the end? There is nothing value is there for the patents. So, you are saying that MOF has already stressed out on this. So that the patents can be something that can generate income for MIMOS. Then you can see the patent itself is really reliable and valuable for the market. If not just the patent itself, then nobody sees the patent is really useful to the market. Do you think MIMOS engage with the industry or government agency before they come up with the solution? Or they push their solution to the market? There are two ways. They try to market themselves to the industry. Especially, I know from the government side. I think for the industry, I am not really sure. Because there are so many companies. I think you also know in Penang, Shandong also. But we are not dealing until deep to the industry player. From the government side, they are sure what they have, what their capability, what they can do to the government. This is the good approach at the same time. Because I think maybe they have some business plan from the new CEO, from the new chairman. They are looking to MIMOS to plan and looking for the new business from the government side. They have a special... Because sometimes the later head of MIMOS, they represent from the MOST itself, they are under MOST. I think they can go beyond but have to respect from the MOST also. So they can leverage on that. They can go to MAFI, they can go to KDN itself. Because like a government company, there is no issue. But they have to know what their speciality that they can offer to the ministry or to the government level. Okay, I think I have asked all the questions and you will give response. So to conclude, what do you think... If you can change MIMOS, what do you first think that you want to change? From government side? Yes, government side. I think I will study about the organization first. What I have, what I need to have, what I need to close. Then I will look for the operational budget. Then I will focus on what I want to do first. Maybe I cannot do so many things in MIMOS, but I want to focus on what MIMOS can be a champion. From the organization, from the TABURUS, I have to utilize that manpower that I have. The direction as a leader, what MIMOS going to be from the MIMOS global. I try to champion for certain business area. You cannot focus, you cannot win everything, but you have to focus. And your branding, your speciality in MIMOS. Especially maybe ICT or STC. This is a good investment, still in the market. Then I will be focusing on that. Then I know who is in the MIMOS and who don't need in MIMOS. Then we can operate the manpower, the machine and the direction. Branding, direction, focus, structure. Okay, we have come to the end. If you want more, subscribe to the channel.