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In this podcast episode, the hosts discuss the top 10 point guards of all time. They start by introducing themselves and their guest, Will. They then go on to discuss the first eight players on the list, including John Stockton, Russell Westbrook, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, and Chris Paul. They mention their career stats and strengths, as well as any negatives. The hosts also discuss the era in which each player played and how that may have influenced their rankings. Finally, they reveal that the top two point guards are Steph Curry and Magic Johnson. They compare their career averages and accomplishments and mention that they have different styles of play and played in different eras. The hosts then reveal their personal preferences, with one supporting Magic Johnson and the other supporting Steph Curry. They acknowledge that it is a close debate and can be argued from both sides. Welcome back for the first, I say welcome back, welcome to the first episode of Chalkboard Sessions joined today in the studio by my good friend William Franklin Penny or better known as Will. How are you doing today Will? I am doing fantastic. I don't know how I feel about the middle name drop there but I'll take it. The government name is being put out there. The government, yeah. No but Will's known as well and I'm known as James. I am your host for Chalkboard Sessions and I'd like to welcome you all to our very first episode. We're going to start off with a hater today, you know. We thought first episode, got to come in with a banging episode. Got to come strong. Which we did. Steph Curry vs. Magic Johnson. Greatest point guard of all time. Now that's a question. That is the question we post today. I'm sure I'll have my opinion, you'll have yours. Yeah I will. I hope so because that's the whole point of this podcast. Yeah, yeah. But before we jump into the haters and we see who the best is, I've got a little top ten here of point guards so we can get a little understanding about who are the players and all that. Yeah, run us through it James. Player number one coming in at the number ten spot for point guard is John Stockton. John Stockton, he averaged 13 points, 10 assists and 2 steals over his entire career. I'd say his biggest strength was his longevity and durability. Two things alone, he didn't play the full 82 games of regular season. Point guard. Point guard. Amazing. Pick and roll king, I'll tell you that for free. I think the biggest negativity for John Stockton would be the lack of post season success. Yep, yep. And no rings. Yep, and that's landed him at the number ten spot. Happens. Number two spot, he's still, number two spot, number nine spot. Still currently active on the roster, we've got Russell Westbrook. 23.8 assists, one steal. That's his career averages. Still going though of course because he's still playing. Yeah, not as well as he was though I'll be honest. And his prime was a demon. Yep. His prime was a demon. Did you know for three straight seasons he averaged a triple double? Oh, yeah. Yeah. For those who don't know what a triple double is, it's when you achieve ten or more in every section. So it could be steals, it could be three. So you need to get three of the categories, either points, assists, steals, blocks, rebounds. You get ten and three of those, that's a triple double and Russell Westbrook was one to do that. How he got his MVP. How he got his MVP. So now we're up to the number eight spot. And this man is no longer currently active. It's none other than Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd averaged 14 points, eight assists, almost one steal a game and that was his career averages. He was a great passer, elite defender, could lead a team and really good rebound stats for his height. Yeah, short guy. One in the bull though. One in the bull. Good hustle. He was a versatile player which I'd argue helped him win in 2011 with his team. He led that team. He was very versatile on and off the court. Not the best haircut though. No. I believe he has no hair now. Yeah. Coming in at the number seven spot. A much better haircut. Yep. Steve Nash. Yeah. 14 points, eight assists, also nearly one assist a game. A career, sorry, that was his career stats. One steal. Yeah, one steal. He was a great shooter, effective from the field and paired well with some great passing. With some incredible passing and he would just dribble around teams, through teams, everywhere. Coming in at the number six spot. Another current player still active on the roster. It is Chris Paul of the Golden State Warriors. Now Chris Paul, he's had his run with a few teams. He's been on the Clippers. Yeah, Clippers. He's at the Suns. We power team there. Yeah, didn't do too well. Didn't do too well. With the Super Team. But this season he's landed himself on the Warriors team with Clay, Steph, Draymond Green. That's a dangerous team. That's an interesting one. Paired with a very good point guard. Indeed, indeed. Steph Curry, who we'll later talk to. Chris Paul, he's averaged nearly 20.9 assists, two steals. As an individual, he's had a lot of highs, high passing, low turnovers. He's a reliable defender with some efficient scoring. And the best jump shot I've ever seen from the elbow. Will not miss from right at the top of that key spot. He just won't miss from there. I think his biggest negative is probably how injury prone he is. Especially in that off-season run. Always in the post-season. Always with the Clippers. Always when they're going to win. When Blake Griffin's looking incredible and he's looking incredible. Yeah. But no, he comes down with that injury and that's landed him a little bit low on the roster. Yeah, can't win. No chips. You can't go too high. Number five spot, Oscar Robertson, the Big O. The Big O. Now, Oscar Robertson, he played in the 60s. So I can't say I've seen him play personally. But basing my opinion off what I've read and what I've heard from others who saw him play, he's landed himself a number five. Oscar Robertson is known as Big O. He averaged 25 points, 9 assists, 7 rebounds, and, yeah, that's probably the first point guard I've had to drop their rebound stats. So speaks to the volume of how Oscar Robertson was. Big O, the original triple-double guy before Russell Westbrook got in there. He was indeed. He's a pioneer for scoring guards. I think the negative about Oscar Robertson, and he's got no control over this, but it's the era he played in. Back in the 60s, it was a lot easier time to get those triple-doubles and just get individual accolades. So I think he's landed himself a higher spot. But he's still none the yet a respected player. Still an incredible bowler. OK, so we're going to move on to third and fourth. Could get a little controversy here. Yeah. Number four spot, Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah Thomas. Bad Boy Piston, Isaiah Thomas. He, I believe, spent his whole career at the Pistons. Yeah, bad boy. I believe he was underrated. Impactful though, leading his team to finals nearly two times. Three if it wasn't for injury. Yeah. He was a strong player. 19 points, nine assists, two steals. It ain't easy versus Michael Jordan either. No, it is not. Definitely not. No. Number third spot. You might know this man, Jerry West. 27 points, six assists, five rebounds. Another rebounding man. Similar to Big O, he also was an era player. So you've got to judge him with a bit of a grain of salt. Couldn't see him play, but was heard and seen from other people. He is the NBA logo though. He is. You've got to respect that. You've got to think, you've got to be playing pretty well if you want to end up on that logo. You've got to be good. You've got to be good. Yeah, most definitely. But no, similar to the Big O, the biggest knock is the era he played in. Yeah, I mean, you just can't compare it to people nowadays because everyone's so much better. Everyone's training every day. They didn't have stuff like that. They didn't have the information we have now. And the game has changed a lot, and that's to do with one sort of man which we'll get onto very soon. All right, so we're down to the top two. Steph Curry and Magic Johnson. I won't do it around the fields here. It's either Steph Curry or Magic Johnson. And what those placings are, well, I guess that's what we're going to find out. I'll say that the other eight could be interchangeable. I'd say no one can knock. It's Steph and Magic at the top two. I mean, it's one of them. The question is who it is. For now, at least these are the two. I mean, the game's still going. There might be the next Steph Curry that knocks Magic, you know? Well, is LeBron a point guard? No. No. He's not a point guard. Yeah. Before we dive in, I've just got a couple of stats that will talk about the two players here. Perfect. A little grounding for you. We'll start with Curry. Now, his career averages are still yet to change because he is still currently active. Still bowling. Whereas Magic Johnson did retire. And very well, may I add, he's still playing. Very well. Curry is still playing very well. He changed his name two years ago. Dropped 30 points today. He did, actually. Eight from 12 on the three-point line. Pre-season, looking good. Yeah, looking good. But no, his career averages so far are 24.6 points a game, 6.5 assists, and 4.7 rebounds. And that is in 882 regular season games. 6.3. Now, Magic Johnson, he scores 19.5 points, 11.2 assists, and 7.2 rebounds. But here's the kicker. That was in 906 regular season games. Yeah. So, if you look at that, Curry's only about 20 games behind him. That's actually a pretty decent time to compare. It is. It is. Similar point. Magic Johnson, he was selected to play in 11 all-star games, won three MVP awards, three final MVP awards, and five NBA championships, and was into the Hall of Fame in 2002. Yep. Well-deserved. Now, Steph Curry played in nine all-star games. He's won two MVPs, one finals MVP, and he's got four NBA championships under his belt. Just one less than Magic. Yep. So, if you haven't gathered anything from that, all I can tell you right now is it's going to be a bloody close debate between the two of them. Very similar stats all around. It is close. It can go either way. You can argue both sides. Will, now this is where it gets a little excited. Oh, yeah? I'm a Magic Johnson man. Are you now? I am. And if you don't know how this works, by obvious reason, that puts Will as a Curry man. I am certainly a Curry man. I absolutely love him. I've got great respect for both the games. Yep, yep. Very, very drastically different games. Oh, yeah. Very drastically. And drastically different eras as well. Man. You've got to talk about the eras if you're going to talk about the players. And Magic Johnson has five inches on Steph Curry as well. He does. He does. Definitely a bigger boy, one might say. Did you know when Magic was first drafted, he was drafted to the Lakers? Mm-hmm. That season, his draft season, they won 60 games. Made it to the finals and won. Yeah. He was also finals MVP as a rookie. Yeah. How many rookies do you know that have done that? About none. Yeah. About none. I thought so. I think there's about one, and his name's Magic Johnson, I'd say. I mean, it is an incredible stat. Yeah, finals MVP in a rookie season is just ridiculous. But does that mean he's better, or does that mean his first season was better? I mean, I'd argue his first three years were a lot better. Yeah, well, that's because Steph Curry had one ankle. And one foot makes it very hard to play basketball. It does. He nearly got traded because of that ankle his third season. So it's safe to say that Steph Curry did not get underway for a couple of seasons. Do you know 1981? Mm-hmm. That was Michael's, not Michael's, Magic's. Magic's. Magic Johnson's only season not to be an All-Star. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was the flesh. He was the Showtime Lakers. When people wanted to watch them basketball, they're tuning into two teams. They're the Lakers and the Boston Celtics. Mm-hmm. And the Showtime Lakers were the Showtime Lakers. Indeed. But let's not fault the man. You bring up the Celtics, and that was because Larry Bird was playing at that time. The white man's legend. Yep, the white man's legend. The white man's legend. Give us hope. Give us hope to get to the NBA League one day. We'll get there, I'm sure, the two of us. Yeah, I've been training. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, yeah. It's not as, yeah, you can say the competition's different, but it is not an easy challenge beating Larry Bird. No. Not at all. I mean, yeah, he was a dog. He was an absolute dog. Well, I appreciate you bringing that point because it's an interesting one I'd like to touch on just briefly because I would like to say that the Magic and Larry saved the NBA, to be honest. To be honest, they did. To be honest, they did. Yep, you could argue that Magic is the only reason Curry is still playing on the court today. Without Magic and Larry, the game wouldn't be where it is today. It's tough, yeah. I'd also like to mention, though, that I think if you're talking regular season, I think about the top 15 most viewed games in the regular season that have ever been played, Steph Curry played in every single game. Because who doesn't want to watch Steph and Curry shoot a bomb from 40 feet out and all net. He's facing the other direction while he's looking at the crowd and he doesn't even watch it go in. No, that is a fair point to add. Magic could not do that. No, you couldn't. But Magic had something else. He did. Have you heard of Showtime? Showtime Lakers? Yeah, yeah. Yep, yep, yep. That was Magic. Magic was Showtime. Magic brought fans who didn't even care for the game of basketball, purely because he was an entertainer. Showtime is Showtime Lakers. It's because of Magic. If Magic was drafted to someone like the Milwaukee Bucks. Now look, I love the Bucks. They're a great team. I'm sure it's a lovely city. But LA is LA. LA is Showtime. LA is LA. Magic is Showtime. La La Land, baby. Now can I maybe say that back in the Magic Johnson era, if you played for the Lakers or the Celtics, you had about a 40% extra chance of winning the championship just because you were wearing yellow or just because you were wearing green. Now I'm not saying that takes away his chips. I'm saying that if one team has about 100 times the amount of money as everyone else, it makes it a little easier to win the games. No, that's a fair point because it's definitely not like that anymore. No, not much either. And there's rules in place to make sure, because Golden State is one of the richest teams. Because of Steph Curry. But one of the richest teams. But it is more even. There's more tax to be paid if you exceed the amount of salary you can give players. Back then, it wasn't as regimented. They just wanted people in the stands because the NBA was dying. Now, you do need a little magic to make a show. And the Showtime Lakers did need a little Magic Johnson. And his passing under the legs, over top, boom, boom, everywhere. I mean, that draws a crowd. Most definitely. And it's funny you touched on this passing because although we are arguing who is the greatest point guard, I'd argue that he is the greatest passer of all time. Magic Johnson is the greatest passer of all time. Indeed. I'd have to say that. But the only thing is that when you're that good, the only thing that can beat you is someone who's equally as good in a different category. And a thousand people may have 50 different opinions on who the greatest passer is. If you ask a thousand people who the greatest shooter is, you know what they'll say. And every single person, whether they're from Madagascar or Mozambique, will say Stephen Curry is the greatest shooter of a basketball to ever walk on the earth. I can't say you're wrong because I've seen school kids, even grown adults, putting up threes that have no absolute reason of being put up, purely just because of what Curry's done for the game. I'll be honest here, Stephen. I have shot a couple deep threes in my time that I could not make it to the rim. But yes, no, Stephen Curry, that's a good point that I'd like to touch on on why Stephen Curry is the greatest. Because if we're looking at the greatest players... Greatest players? Yeah. We're talking Michael Jordan. And why is Michael Jordan the greatest player? There's a lot of things it could be, really. But it's because of the impact. It's the chips and the impact on the game. The Jordan sneakers. Yes. When you think of basketball, you think Michael Jordan. You go back to the 90s, and every single building in the whole of the US, in France, in Germany, big poster, Michael Jordan. Buy Nike. Basketball is Michael Jordan. And you know where I'm going because you're giving me those eyes. And Stephen Curry has done the exact same thing. If there's one person who you could even say has changed the game even more than Michael Jordan, it would be Stephen Curry. You know, it's interesting you bring up Michael Jordan. You'd agree Michael Jordan's the greatest full-time, would you not? Now, that's a dirty question to put on a young man. We'll save that for another day. But Michael Jordan, he's up there in the basketball world. He's up there. Please talk to him. Do you know what Michael Jordan thinks about this matter? Oh, you dirty dog. You dirty dog. I do know. I'd love you to remind everyone. I promised Will I wouldn't bring it up, but it's Michael Jordan. I think you've got to talk about him. Oh, my goodness. So, Michael Jordan, there might be a man you might know today who's in the NBA world. He's a sports analyst, does a couple of shows. That's Stephen A. Smith. The guy. Yep, and he had a hot topic too, and he thinks Curry's his greatest full-time point guard. Yep. But Michael Jordan, that did not sit well with him. Michael Jordan said to him, you must define point guard to have a real serious debate. And if you define point guard as a primarily passing role, Jordan excels where Curry does not. He's not wrong. In terms of passing, he's definitely not wrong. But does a true point guard play center? That is a good point. So, if you haven't picked up on what Will's alluding to there, Will is alluding to the fact that Magic Johnson did play center a couple of times. Yeah. Quite a bit when Kareem, if you don't know Kareem, another great player. Kareem couldn't play center. The reason he's got five championships is because Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with the unblockable skyhook. Okay, okay. Well, what was he, like 65 when he was playing? He was like 35 or so. He was very old when he was playing on the Lakers, to be fair. He was good on Milwaukee. But, yeah, he was very old on the Lakers. But he was still Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He was. He was still Kareem. James Worthy, very good player. I mean, you can say the same. Klay Thompson's arguably top three shooter of all time. And he was in the backcourt with Steph the whole time. He was. I mean, Draymond Green. I mean, I don't know if he has a job without Steph Curry. But he's a very good defender and very good playmaker. I think we're bending around the bush a little bit here. You're hearing a lot of facts but not a lot of comparisons. I think we're going to dive into the comparisons now. That's a very good point. And we've been on the wavelength of passing, so I'm going to continue on that wavelength. Yeah, go ahead. Curry, by comparison, has been far less prolific in setting up his teammates. He has 5,740 assist ranks, 45th in the NBA history. Now, that's pretty good if you think about how many people have played in the NBA. It does. He averaged more than eight assists only once in his 14 seasons. Recently, though. Ooh, recently. Well, I guess so. Yeah, if you're going off his last 14, that's his first 14 seasons. So, yeah, you've got to take it into comparison and see what he has like today. I think the assist stats are going upwards. They must be for him. And we can all agree Magic can swing the rock better than Steph Curry. But may I put a point towards you saying that Steph Curry is the most gravitational player in basketball history. Now, what I mean by that is when Steph Curry walks on the court, you don't have one guy half marking him. You have 13 dudes all guarding at the top of the halfway line, making sure he doesn't get a shot up. Now, if that doesn't open the rest of the team, like, say, a Kevin Durant, who can shoot that thing, if he doesn't get open so much more because Steph Curry is drawing four, three, two defenders over to him to close him out, so maybe he doesn't pass the ball, but he swings it to another player who swings it, and that guy's only open because Steph Curry's on the court. That's a good point. He's a man that needs to be marked as soon as he steps into the half. Oh, my God, does he not. Did you know when Johnson retired for the first time in 1991, he was the all-time assist leader? What's 9,921? Yeah, he's good. He made a brief comeback in 1996 for just a year, and he finished his career with a total of 10,141 assists. So he was the league leader when he retired, had a brief comeback, and he's now finished. I believe he sits at seventh rank in assists. Yeah, to throw some juice on that as well, to respect it a little, is that without the early retirement, he would probably be top three assists of all time. So with a grain of salt because it's not his fault that he contracted HIV and had to retire so early, but it doesn't help his case. No, it doesn't. Playing less seasons. But when? So his 11.2 assists per game still ranks as an NBA record, and that's only just the regular season. If you were to look at his postseason, he dished out 2,346 assists in the postseason. That's more than 300 in the next player on the list, which is, funny enough, LeBron James. Mm-hmm. No, no, yeah, no, fair enough. No, fair enough. Postseason. If we want to talk postseason, though, we can talk postseason. We can talk postseason. We can talk postseason because Steph Curry's a winner. So is Magic. Yes, no, he was. No, he was. Now, I can go the Kareem route, but the Kareem route kind of does imply, you know, the Kevin Durant route. Yeah. So I have to respect that, and I'll come to the Jews and just say, take it for who they are. I like that. Steph Curry was insane in the finals. He was. I mean, I think every single person who watches basketball has seen Steph Curry come back the game against OKC in the conference and launch that thing up with six-tenths of a second remaining and moneying it, putting him through. He's a clutch player. And Magic was clutch, but you can't win the game off the soft-ass layup underneath because you're 6'8", and the guy you're guarding is white and 5'5". Sorry, bro. But when Steph Curry gets guarded by a 6'8 dude, he crosses him to next town. That's another thing I'd like to talk about, is that Steph Curry is one of the most underrated dribblers of the basketball full-time. Oh! Underrated dribblers of the basketball. I mean, Magic had a handle. Yeah. But Steph has it on a string. I mean, the Curry slide is so famous. Boom, boom, between the legs. And before you even know that he's done a crossover, the ball's already at the back of the rim. The jump shot is so quick, so pure, so beautiful. And that is, I mean, what a comparison, because the one thing Magic Johnson really lacked in his career was a jump shot. Yeah, he did. He had everything else in his bag, and he didn't have a jump shot. But in his era, did he need one? Yeah. I mean, I don't think he did. No, because, as you like to say, that Curry did change the game the way the threes played. So back then, the three wasn't necessarily a thing. I mean, it was a thing. It wasn't a used thing as it is now. What is it, like, seven, eight threes taken in the whole game compared to 30, 40 now? Yeah. I mean, Steph averages. I think last season, Steph put up 11 threes a game. Yeah. And that's more than a whole team, that Magic. Showtime Lakers wouldn't have put up 11 a game. No, not even close. Curry does it by himself. So that is respectable. But is that a thing on Curry, or is that saying Curry's the only one that can put up 11 and make 50% of them? It's interesting. But I think we need to look at the real chips here. Funny enough, I said chips. Oh, chips. So you want to talk about the real chips. Because, I mean, when you talk about players and who is the best, you need to determine off their success. Yeah. The only reason you get on the basketball court is to win the game. And because success is winning. Yeah, it is winning. Success is winning. You've got to win. Yeah, you've got to win. You heard some of the awards earlier on. Sure thing. Johnson has three MVPs to Curry's two. Yeah. He's got five championships to Curry's four. Sure. And in the 12 seasons Johnson played before being forced to retire because of the HIV test in 1991, his Lakers never missed a playoff and reached the final nine times out of 12. I mean, that is a stat. I mean, that's incredible. But you look at the teams. Yep. Magic Johnson, he's playing Larry Bird. Now, that's a tough matchup. It is. It's not LeBron James. No, it's not. He's not LeBron. He's not LeBron. Larry Bird is a probably, I mean, to stay out of controversy, he's a top 15 player, definitely. Probably in my top 10. Close to the top five. But, you know, I'd have to think about that. LeBron is top 10. White man jump. White man, yeah, there you go. And LeBron's top 10. He is. He is. LeBron is incredible. I mean, LeBron was, during those four years, he was incredible. When he went back to Cleveland after, you know, losing against the Spurs in Miami, losing against the Spurs while playing for Miami, went to Cleveland, then he just didn't miss a playoff. Now, LeBron James is argued to be top two all time, right? Yep. Three out of four times. Step one. How many times? Three out of four. Three out of four. Three out of four. And two of them were sweeps. You want to explain sweeps for those who don't understand sweeps? Sure, of course, of course. Well, a playoff series, so to win a playoff series, it's best of seven. So I've got to win four games. So if I was to sweep you, I'd win four games in a row and not let you win one. And the games are good when they go to game seven, but a sweep just means one team absolutely dominated the other. In other terms, they lost every game. They lost every game. And Steph did that twice to LeBron James. No, that's a fair point. But I feel like this is kind of a low blow I'm going to hit you with. Okay, fair enough. But I feel like you want to address it. Oh, are you going to do it? Oh, my God. How can you claim someone is still a GOAT, well, is a GOAT, when they're still currently playing? Yeah. Are you prepared to stand by that if it doesn't hold up in the future? Yes, I am. And that is because Steph Curry is the GOAT. He's the best point guard of all time. The gravity he draws, the shots he takes, the way he changed the game, I think he's the best. And I think he's the best now. And I think in five years, it'll be the same result. That's what I say. I do like that point, though, because anything can happen. But I think to go back on that point, I'd say that if Steph averages 10 points from now on, he's still Steph Curry. He is. He's still done the things he's done, I guess. He's still done the things he's done. But this just gives him the chance to get that extra championship with Chris Paul. Mm-hmm. Another championship would be good for him. Mm. But I mean, I think I'll pose this to you. How about this, James? Yep. One more championship is then Steph Curry better than Magic Johnson. Well, it does put them at five at five. Ties them up there. It most definitely does tie them up. I think, I mean, I've talked about it quite a bit today, but I'm going to go back to some words of a great, great man, Michael Jordan. Not Michael. So Michael did say, well, I won't deny, Michael's a fan of Curry. Don't get the words twisted. Michael likes Curry. He called him the best shooter of all time. That's undisputed. That came from the guy himself. And now if Steph said that about Michael and LeBron, Michael would take that personal. So I think Steph should take that personal. I think Steph should most definitely take that personal. So he called him, I believe he called him the best shooter of all time, which he was, Curry was reluctant to call himself that until about 2021, I believe, when he broke Ray Allen's record for most career three-pointers made. Yeah, true. So, yeah, Michael Jordan went out of his way to text Stephen O. Smith telling him he was wrong. You've got to be very passionate about the idea to get that, yeah. My question for you, Will, are you going to tell Michael Jordan he's wrong? Yeah. I'm going to look Michael Jordan in his eyes. No, you're not. No, I'll say, sorry, sir, Michael. Sorry. No, I'm going to tell him he's wrong. I won't. But I'll sit right here when Michael's not here. And I will say he was wrong when he said that. Yeah. There's bias. There's bias. Because he versed him. He wants to look better. Michael Jordan always wants to be better. He does. He does. It's Michael Jordan. He wants to be the best. It's Michael Jordan. It's Michael Jordan. He wants to have versed the best point guard, which I respect. But I'm saying that Steph Curry bombs 10 threes on Michael Jordan's head. Yeah, well, let's not anger Michael Jordan. The last thing I need tomorrow is an email from Michael Jordan. I don't need him coming at me like that. Yeah. He text Stephen A. Smith. He won't regret texting me. But let's not get twisted. Michael, Magic Johnson is easily the best point guard of all time. Steph Curry is very close. But for me, he's just not in front of Magic. I can't knock for Curry. I can't knock Curry for being a shoot first instead of a pass first. Yeah. He's revolutionary. But for me, it's just magic. Showtime, baby. Magic Johnson takes it from me any day of the week. And I respect that. But respectfully, you're wrong. Because Steph Curry is just him. He is him. That's the difference. That's the difference. Sturgeon Johnson was nasty with it, but Steph Curry's him. Steph Curry pulls up from the 20, the 25, the 30, the 35, the 40. The man can pull up from anywhere on the court. It doesn't matter where. It does not matter where. He will shoot from anywhere, and he will make it. Look at it this way, Will. Okay. You've got one player, generational talent, saved the NBA, arguably, and they saved that very game we love, and that's because of him. Yep, he did. Then you've got a player who is also a generational talent but completely changed the game of how basketball is played. Yep. So it's one of those things. Who's going to be the person to say, yeah, he's right, Will's right, he's a goat, debate done? Yeah. Because it's simply never going to be the case of that. No one's going to stop the debate and say, yep, this person's right because everyone's going to have their own opinion. But it's just how it's going to be. There's always going to be the debate about who is the best point guard. Steph Curry could go on to win three more championships and you'll still have people calling Magic's name. It's just the different areas. You can never compare them. It is. You can never compare. They played completely different games. They're both basketball, but they were different sports, honestly. The way the games were played and how the game plans were, it's so drastically different that you can never actually know who's better. How can you ever know if Michael Jordan's going to be better than LeBron James? We'll save that. But different areas. You can never compare. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it gets a little ticky when you come to Michael or LeBron, but again, that is not today's topic. It is Steph Curry versus Magic Johnson, which I think is probably one of the hardest arguments to talk about when you're doing player versus player comparisons because I said Magic was at 906 games before he retired. Steph Curry's only at 182 and still playing. Yeah. So it's a pivotal time to talk about the differences, but they're still so similar. It's so hard to reach a verdict. Yeah. But I'm glad we agreed on Steph today. No. No. Just stop this. You nearly had me saying yes. No. Magic Johnson, for me, he's my point guard goat. Fair enough. The PGG. Point guard goat. Point guard goat. Yeah. No, that's Steph. Trademark that. We'll make that a thing. PGG. And as always, we enjoy you for joining us for our very first episode. Thank you very much. I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to share this all with you. It's been a great wee episode. Hope you've all enjoyed it. Feel free to follow us on the old Instagram, chalkboard.sessions, some quality stuff. 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