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Isaac Saicer-Enfanté was born in West Salem, North Carolina on February 15, 2003. He enjoyed his time in school, particularly in a small Christian school where he had close relationships with his classmates. However, he didn't like high school as much because it was bigger and had less personal connections with teachers. The private religious school he attended had chapel on Fridays and a stricter dress code. They taught about evolution, but it wasn't the main focus. Religion didn't have a significant influence on Isaac's life, and he no longer considers himself religious. He appreciated the academic preparation he received from the school but thinks he would not send his future kids to a religious school unless the academics were excellent. A. What is your full name? B. Isaac Saicer-Enfanté A. Where and when were you born? B. I don't know. I'm just kidding. West Salem, North Carolina. When? I was born February 15, 2003. It was about 7 a.m. There was a little of an ice storm. A. Do you like the cold? B. I do. It's way better to be cold and get warm than to be warm and try to get cold. A. What was school like for you? B. Middle school, elementary school. A. Did you start with elementary school and go into middle school and high school? B. Elementary school and middle school were really good. I enjoyed my time at school. I liked learning. I was in a small school, a Christian school. Everybody knew everybody. We'd been growing up together since we were three years old. I did daycare and preschool and all that kind of stuff. I liked it. I liked my friends that I had. Everybody was close. Everybody knew everybody. It was cool. A. What about middle school? B. Middle school was good. I liked school. A. What about when you got to high school? B. I hated high school. A. Was it different because it wasn't a private school? B. It definitely was, but no. I feel like my private school prepared me for high school very, very well because high school was relatively easy academic-wise, except for pre-calculus. I kind of sucked at pre-calculus. I also didn't really apply myself. That's probably why. It was just a lot bigger, a lot more people. You didn't have as close a relationship with teachers. At that point, private school, there's a small group of kids being with a teacher, so just a closer connection. A. How many people were in a class? B. I feel like 20 to 30. Later on, it would sit down and grow. It just depends. This time it was pretty much 20. We rarely got to 30. That was only in the later years when more people started showing up. There were like 15 or 20 around there. Pretty small. A. How did going to a private religious school impact your upbringing? B. What a fancy question that you already had pre-prepared. We had chapel on Fridays, which is, as you're there, it's not really a big deal. It's great because you didn't have to do schoolwork. You get to dick around with your friends in chapel while you sing and praise Jesus. Pretty crazy. From the start, we were just singing for God. A. In preschool? Really? B. Yeah. There were sections for each class. The bigger kids got to sit in the back. The little kids were up front most of the time. The sections were always moved. They had big green comfy chairs. It was a good place because of that chapel. It was cool to have a chapel because you also had before school and after school. They'd keep you in there. They'd play movies and we'd play games with all the other kids while you're waiting to get picked up or waiting for school to start. A. How often was it? B. Every Friday. A. If you didn't have school on Friday, would you go on a different day? B. We just wouldn't go that week. I don't think. A. Did you have to wear uniforms? B. No, but we did have a stricter dress code than public schools do. You can really wear a lot of graphic things at school. I think it was letters and words that are a certain size. We didn't have to wear uniforms. Later on, when we got a new principal, we had to wear nicer clothes. We had to wear striped shirts and stuff like that. It wasn't that strict. They were trying to make it strict. I don't know, it wasn't like a crazy Christian school. It wasn't like Catholic school. It wasn't anything like that. It was more of a newer Christianity school. A. Did they teach evolution? B. Yeah, they told you about it, but it wasn't the focus. A. Oh, so it was like a good thing. B. Yeah, like out there people think this and that. They definitely didn't touch on it. And we had a Bible class. A. Was it required? B. Everybody took Bible class. A. Was it every year? Or like every couple of years? B. In high school, you kind of get to take classes. A. Electives? B. Yeah, electives. They didn't do that until middle school. Before that, every subject had math, science, English, history. Most of the time, the Bible was tacked on with history. A. Because it is kind of a historical text. B. They did teach about other religions, but again, not so heavily. A. Interesting. A. How was religion an influence for you in your early life and getting into your teenage years? B. It was just normal. The kids there didn't take it seriously. Not really. A. In school? B. Just in school. You kind of don't really care too much. You're just there to see your friends. Most of it, really. You're there to learn. You're also there to socialize. That's a big part of school. What was the question? Sorry. A. How was religion an influence for you? B. It was kind of normal. We'd pray. We'd worship God pretty regularly. A. Did you pray before lunch? B. In the littler kids, in preschool, they'd say a prayer. It was, give us our daily bread. You know, that hymn or whatever. A. I'm not too well versed. B. It was like, ah man. Give us our daily bread. Give us Lord our daily bread. A. Something about bread. B. Something like that. But anyway, they'd say that. But then after a while, you wouldn't. A. Do you know around when it stopped? Probably middle school? B. Probably, no. A. Earlier? B. Elementary school. Like preschool, they only did that with the little kids. A. Maybe it was just a... B. It was just kind of like to get them all on one page and ready to eat. I think it was more of that. You wouldn't have to pray before every meal or anything like that. You didn't have to pray. Like, you know, in the mornings, they'd get you to like... A. Pledge of Allegiance? B. Pledge of Allegiance. You know, we'd still do that. I think we had... A. Morning prayer? B. No, not really a morning prayer. But I swear to God, there was like a Christian flag. A. What? B. I think. There was another flag that we had to say something for. I don't remember what it was. A. Was it like a North Carolina flag? B. It might have been... I don't think it was a North Carolina flag. Because it was white and like red. It wasn't a Japan flag. I don't know. That's kind of like escaped me. You know, I didn't really care. A. I mean, yeah. It's not... B. I mean, I don't know. A. ...a focus when you're seven years old. I wasn't really paying attention to it. But we did have to say two things in the morning. I know one of them was a Pledge of Allegiance. And one of them was something else. B. It might have been like a moment of silence. Because I remember like... That was a big thing. A. Yeah. B. Well, it wasn't like a prayer thing. It was just like a, oh, here's a moment of silence. So if you want to, you can. A. Yeah. B. But we're not going to force it on you. A. Yeah. But, um, yeah. So... We had things like that. But, I mean, really... The teachers didn't push it heavy on you. They were just like... They were Christians, obviously. But they weren't... shoving it down your throat. But, like, they... They wouldn't really teach about, like, abortion or anything like that. Like, there really wasn't anything said about it. Unless, like, kids... You know, as we got older, there were kids in our group that were... A lot of us were, like, more conservative. Because, obviously, you... I feel like the more conservative parents are more religious-leaning. And also have the money to send their kids to private school. But I went because... I guess I went because my grandparents sent my mom there. Because, you know, they were conservative, wealthy people. Who wanted their kids to have a good education. And then my mom just put me there because she knew it was a good place. I mean, they prepared you pretty well. I mean, I still feel like I have a good grasp on stuff that I learned in middle school that is being taught in college right now. I mean, they definitely teach you good. I mean, they better for that money. But... What was I saying? If you could go back in time to change it, would you have gone through religious school still? For me, it was very formative. I liked it. I... I'm not religious anymore. I think... I took a religion class at Agnostic, where... I don't really believe in God, but there might be... Something. Something. But there also might not be. I'm a very big science enthusiast. But... I don't think it made much of a difference. I mean, my social... I don't know, I feel like it would have been better for me to... Like, be with more different people instead of the same people for literally more than a decade. You know, I'm very socially anxious now. I didn't used to always feel like that. Well, I mean, you did. Yeah. But I don't think I'd change it. You know, that's how I found my main group of friends, who are like the only people who matter to me in the world. Some of the only people who matter to me in the world. But... I wouldn't change it. I... I had fun. I enjoyed class. It was a good balance of goofing off and learning. It was a good environment. I mean... After school. I loved after school. I hated being in after school. After school, I was always the last person to leave, because... My parents were not... Exactly... Making money. Hand over fist. They weren't wealthy enough to have... Be able to pick their kid up at like three. I guess. Or didn't have the jobs that would allow that. Like other kids, you know. Most of my good friends would leave at like three. Like when the day ended. I think it was like 3.40. Stay-at-home parents. Yeah. You know, they have some stay-at-home parents. My parents could never do that, so I was always... Leaving around six. Or like 5.40. Later in the day. Pretty typically the last one standing. There weren't a lot of us left at that point. If you ever had kids in the future, would you send them to a religious school? No. No? I don't... I don't think I would unless... I know that the academics are like... There. You know. That... I would maybe send them to that Christian school. Because I know they do good stuff. But I also would take the time to inform them of other things. And not just the Christian worldview, you know. I'd spend more time on the things that... They don't touch on. That they tell you about. And you kind of know. But... You know, you don't know a whole lot. Expanding their worldview. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I think it's a... It's a good place. I mean, they care about... Private schools care about the education. They want to be preppy and stuff, you know. They want to be the best. That's what you're paying for. That's what you're paying for. How much was it? I don't know. You don't know? I don't know. I just know it was a lot. It wasn't cheap? It wasn't cheap. Wow. Yeah. It was like... Like a couple thousand every couple months. Like a semester? I think it might have been a semester. But you had options to pay for like a year. Financing? I don't know. I don't know exactly how it worked. You have to ask. I actually would like to... Just to... Just to know. I mean, I'm sure it's gone up now. Yeah, I'm sure. The school has expanded, right? Yeah, the school has gone a different place. They're now... Because they got... They're right across from White Forest Campus. And... White Forest was... You know, the church. They started with the church. The church technically funded the school most of the time. And they own the building that the school is in. So the church wanted to sell that because... I don't know. I guess they were done with having the school there. So the school had to move. They made this whole fundraiser. And they didn't raise enough money. And now it's like a big school. The campus is... It's cool. It's more college campus. Because they have dorms for like... They have like foreign exchange students that'll come... From across the world. Like they have people from Korea, Japan. So I'm from the Middle East. Last time I went to visit, there was this one kid who... Who was from a very wealthy family in like the Middle East. But he converted to Christianity while he was there. Used his parents' credit card to pay for the entirety of his school. Didn't tell them about it. And is just there living. Living there on campus now. He's already paid. And they don't really care enough to dispute it. They're like, okay, whatever. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. But yeah, they have dorms. They have at least one dorm building for guys. I think they're going to put one in for girls. And their campus is more spread out. They have now like a farming thing. So they'll teach you about farming. Because they're like more in the city now. So like they've got a whole bunch of city kids. And they want to show city kids like what other shit there is out there. You know, like farming. It's pretty cool though. They've been staying there too. The building, class building isn't as great. Definitely not. It needs some work. But it's cool. It's in an old church. So they've already got like the whole church pew. They've got a lot more space in their chapel now. That's for sure. You can do it with more kids. Yeah, so it's cool. You know, a soft spot in my heart. I'm not a Christian anymore, but they're not doing bad. It's pretty cool. Well, thanks. When did you start to question religion? Like what age? Or was there like a certain moment? I mean, I don't know. It just builds up over time. You know, I'm a very... I like to know things. I'm very inquisitive, I guess. I hate doing homework. And that's the funny thing is in my grades, I never really... I did homework like towards the beginning of my school life because of my parents. It was easy and my parents made me do it. Around like late middle school. Like 6th, 7th grade. I am... That's really middle school. It's not school. I stopped doing homework. I just relied on my test scores and I did decent enough. I would like copy homework when I could. I did enough to stay... Well, I got all A's and D's. I never really had C's. I never really struggled. It's a very minimal effort. But anyways, I like learning stuff and I like to know things. And I just, you know, YouTube is a great resource. I know everything I know because of YouTube really. You know, I don't know. It's just science is very... It's very... There's numbers. Numbers are real. They're more concrete. You can see it. You can explain it. But there might be a greater entity. What if it's not God? What if it's somebody else? What if it's Ra? What if the Egyptians are right? What if it's a more polytheistic religion? It would be more interesting to you than a monotheistic religion? Yeah, I mean, Percy Jackson. I love Percy Jackson. I mean, you know, that kind of... It's cool to see split up powers and all the politics that come with families and stuff like that. But I, again, agnostic. So I don't really know if there's a God or not. I don't know. How dangerous religion can be in controlling people. Because, yeah, it can be used for good. And like my grandma, she's part of a church and she helps a lot of people right now. Food drives and getting people who can't afford food and can't get food, food. You know, it does good things. It can rally people for good. But it can also be used to put people down and make them feel awful. It's a double-edged sword. Has that ever made you feel down? Um... You know, yeah, sure, definitely. I mean, you know, you're held to all these high standards and commandments and all the things. What would God do? What would Jesus do? Follow them or go to hell. Yeah, you gotta follow them or go to hell. I was never really scared of hell. I don't know if I ever took it seriously. I really didn't. Really? No. Because I'm like, how do they know? You know? Even when you were a kid? Even when I was a kid. I was like, oh yeah, this is as cool as what everybody else is doing. That's why I'm doing it. But I'm like, what is it? You know, like, this doesn't matter. That's impressive. A lot of people are... I know! Yeah, it's kind of weird. I know, it is weird. I don't know why. But... Because, you know, like... I mean, I'd say the same for my friends, too. Like, none of us... Like, our families were. I mean, sure. Most of them... I mean, my family wasn't, which is funny. You know? My grandparents are. But my mom and Seth, they aren't, like, super religious or anything. So, you know. That's probably why. Because my family wasn't really pushing it at home. Do you think if you would have been? Maybe. Maybe. Would it have been different? You can't tell. Yeah, that's fair. You never know. Yeah. But, like, my friends... You know? They... Hans is really the only one I know of that's still really, like, kind of Christian. Not even Lee? I mean, Lee... He's, you know, conservative. For sure, but... Yeah. I mean... I wouldn't call him... He doesn't pray, you know? He doesn't... Interesting. You know? None of us really pray. None of us would go to church, except for Hans. Hans is the only one that goes to church. Oh, Torn will go to church, I guess, with his grandma. That's more of a family obligation than everyone else. That's more of a family thing, yeah. You know? Yeah, it's cool. Do you think that being brought up in a religious, like, setting, per se, swayed you politically at first? Definitely. Definitely at first. Definitely did. The politics definitely were affected, for sure. In the beginning? Yeah. I mean, when you're only forced to think one way, really... You don't know anything. You don't know anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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