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I'm just saying in my brain, if this thing is so avoidant of smart things, avoidant of trails, avoidant of places where people camp and things like that, why would it not just walk a quarter mile the other way? If it's moving through a swamp like that, that'd be like me walking down one block over. Maybe it's not very smart. Maybe it just thinks differently, too. I'm just pointing out things. I'm just asking why. If it is an interdimensional being that does transverse between here and there, that's why it's not seen as much. Also, at the same time, it is just a creature. If it is just a creature and it's not like a sentinel being where it's intelligent, when it does phase in and out, I don't know if that sounds way out there, but if it does phase in and out, maybe that's when it's glimpsed. I can't explain. When you say sentinel being, though, are you referring to like... I think sentinel is just able to feel. Higher intelligence. Or does it mean it has a soul? I think sentinels can feel pain and emotion. I think they just proved lobsters are sentinel because they can feel pain. They have pain receptors. I think that's what the definition of sentinel is. Jamie, can you look that up? Can you pull that up, Jamie? Where's Jamie? Where'd he go? Where'd he go? In our case, it's Renee. Yeah, and look at our makeup, by the way. It's terrible. She's the only one who has it on. She got the memo we didn't. No facials for you today. Maybe later. Okay, so, you know what? Okay, I just got to say this, too. This is one of my favorite things. My brother and I used to go up and watch Animal Planet and discuss it all the time. The show Finding Bigfoot, dude. You're like, we know this is his call. And you did do the call as they say, but how are you an expert if you've never found him? Like, I don't understand. So, the crazy part is, 15 years ago, yes, there was internet. Yes, there were cell phones and whatnot, but not to where it is today. And what happened was, after my dad's friend had this experience, he went down his own rabbit hole and he went down his own rabbit hole and he went down his own rabbit hole and he went down his own rabbit hole and did a bunch of research and then started sending me, this is when he had the email, you couldn't just text it, he would email me to my... Yahoo. Yeah, what is Yahoo? It was to my Yahoo account. Different sounds that he found. And the closest thing that I could find, which I've become very familiar with since then, is the Sierra sounds. We were in the Sierras. I had not heard the... You played this for us, didn't you? I remember this. I had not heard the Sierra sounds until then. And what I was describing, and you were there when he played it again, and I can still hear it today. And it will cause... I will get goosebumps, I will get clammy, and my whole demeanor changes. Because when I hear that sound, it's not the same exact, it's not the same voice, it's like hearing Wyatt talk versus me talk. It's not the same voice, but it's so reminiscent to what I heard. It was not that. It was so reminiscent to what I heard that it invokes this emotion that is... I can't explain. Take you back there. Yeah, immediately. It's right in the Sierra sounds, and it's very, very similar. Different, though. I'm not going to go off topic, but let's come back to something. I think... Fight or flight? No, I'm laughing because I don't call it fight or flight. I call it fight or fuck. And it just could be your body. I think flight is completely different. It is. I think when you're banging someone, it's actually... I think when you're having sex, isn't that your parasympathetic nervous system is acting, because it's either dilating? Doctor, I don't know. Should we ask Google? No. Are you kidding me? Jimmy, go away. Well, just Google, man. That's crazy. I'm going to snap that shit. I don't want to get off topic with that. The Sierra sounds... I do want to say, too, on this topic, when we were recently backpacking in May, or hiking, we did a test hike near Penner Lake. Is that something flat? Where is that actually located? It's in the Sierras. That's Bowman Lake Basin. Bowman Lake Basin. We're hiking back, there's three of us, me, you, and Dave, and as we're coming back, Dave is back behind us, he had a blister or something, he was back behind us a couple hundred yards, and you and I kind of walked up, and it was all snow. This was in late May, right? Yeah, this was early May. Yeah, regardless, there was a lot of snow on the ground. I'm talking, your shoes were soaked, there's multiple feet of snow on the ground in some places. Some places are seven foot. Yes. The lowest you have is a foot there, so you're not just walking through this and it's all hills and it's half melted in the trees. We stopped waiting for Dave, and all of a sudden you hear... We weren't stopped, we were still at a slower pace waiting for Dave. Yeah, we were stowed up, we weren't huffing it, we were like one mile an hour walking. And all of a sudden we hear a tree get hit by some kind of like a branch or a rock or something, you could hear the knocking of the tree like... It's like a baseball bat to a telephone pole, it's a loud hit. And it was repetitive? One, two, three, that right. Just like that. Obviously, I can't make the sound, it was more like... There was resin to it, it was very loud and purposeful, and it didn't sound like a woodpecker, it sounded like a baseball bat against a telephone pole. But it went deeper, I don't know. And we even tried. We got rocks, we got branches, we tried recreating the sound. Dave was further behind us and he didn't hear it as he came up and at this point, Wyatt's losing his shit. I'm the skeptic. I'm like, there has to be an answer. For most things, I'm like, well, it could be this, it could be that, whatever. This one, I'm like, okay, it still could have been someone, but the fact that there was so much snow on the ground, and it was on a mountainside, it's not like it was just a walk up. We looked around, there was no one up on the trail. No, and it was a couple hundred yards away. It was off-trail, uphill, with no footprints. Probably, what, 75 to 100 yards uphill. Maybe 100 yards uphill. And it was probably 200 yards down the trail from us. So, triangulated, it's probably, what, 200 to 250 yards away from us, somewhere up on the hill. Having a skeptic point of view, and I did this at the time, I said, it could have been somebody, because we were close enough to the trailhead, it could have been somebody just being an asshole that had a baseball bat, and hiked off-trail and waited for a couple of people and tried recreating the Bigfoot scare. They very well could have been. Wait up top and just make the noise Were there people really willing to do that? There were people that could do that. That is the option, but that is probably the one time that I was like, whoa, that was, that would be hard. I mean, you could recreate it for sure. Someone would have to be very willing to do that. And waiting for somebody to come on. It was snowing, right? There weren't a lot of people. It was snowing, but it was on the ground. And you saw no one else on the trail? We saw a couple people in and out, but not very many. So, I just thought that would be a good time for somebody to mess around. Could have been a kid, could have sat a huge rock on a hollow log that was down on the ground. No, we tried that. They would have had to bring out a baseball bat. It sounded like, it sounded like an axe handle against fire, like against a, not even a stump. It had to be, it resonated from like a whole tree. It resonated? Uh-huh. That's exactly what I fucking said. Now that we're correcting words, I gotta tell you. So, it's not sent, what did you call it? Sentient. Yes, it's sentient. It's a sentinel. Sentinel. Oh, sentinel. A sentinel event. What does sentient mean? What's the definition? That they can feel pain. Will perceive and have subjective experiences, emotions, and awareness. Go Wyatt! What does sentinel mean? A sentinel event. Sentinel, I think it's like proclaimed, like profound, something like that. Yeah, they might be profound. This is the wonderful sounds of farmland. Yeah, we're out here on the McCollum Ranch. Very profitable. Maybe the most profitable ranch in the history of, maybe ever. I don't know. Sponsored today by the McCollum Ranch. That's right, McCollum Ranch. You can buy our walnuts. We don't even farm them, we just eat them. Come taste our nuts. Do we want to talk about, should we save the other one for another time? No, so, actually, let's go back to the knocking. I'm not sure what you heard. So, the previous, two years previous, the three of us did our very first hike. Yeah, part of the PCT. So, background, we do parts of the PCT every year. We aren't doing it really anymore, but we did for a few years, where we would do like 30 to 40 mile segments over three to four days. Correct. So, this one was our very first one. Our buddy Dave, Wyatt, myself, we decided that we're going to go from the Sierra Buttes, which is right outside of Sierra City, California, and we were going to hike all the way into Gray Eagle. And it was 40 miles, and we were going to do it in two nights, three days. So, first day was a slog. It was all uphill. It was 4,500 foot uphill. Just keep pushing right around the corner. I had blisters on my feet that were to the bone. This is Brian Matt. It's like when someone has the wrong answer, or they have the right answer, but they get it the wrong way, and they just make their logic worth it. You know what I mean? It's like, five plus nine minus four is like whatever, and you totally did it the wrong way, but you got the right answer, right? He tells us in the beginning, because this is the first time we're doing this, it's going to be what? It's going to be 14 to 18 miles, maybe, but some will be too bad. It'll be uphill. We're prepping for that. As we're going, we start, and it's like absolute vertical. 4,000 feet. 4,200 feet. Seven miles. It was vertical. It was all switchback. It was all exposed. We do our first thing a couple hours in, and we're like, that was tough. Then we kind of get to the open ridge now. We make it through all this forest, and we're now on this open ridge. We're like, oh man, that was pretty gnarly, but we're almost there. You could see where we're going. He's like, yeah, we're going right to that peak right up there. We're like, oh, we can do that. That's not too bad. We get around the corner, and there was another peak. Then we get around that corner, and there was a third peak. This is bare exposed, hottest point of the summer. No trees, all shale. The path is a foot wide. You're slipping, and if you look down, we're wearing 50 pound packs. We don't even have a pack for this stuff. If you slip off the shale, you're down. It's a 60 to probably 65 degree slope straight down. You guys are kidding me. 59 and 2,000 feet. Every time, we're like, oh, we can make it to that ridge. That's no big deal. We start going, and Dave's like, oh, no. We get around the corner, and then as we get to it, all of a sudden, as you walk up on it, you see the entire new ridge open to the right around your face. You're like, oh, no. We have to go up to that peak, and then back down, and then back over to the other peak. We're like, great. That's fine. No big deal. As we keep going, it gets longer and longer. There's more openings that happen. It goes down and up every day. It's bare exposed. We already drank our water. Luckily, there was so much snow. We found one spring and filled back up. I'm talking like sunburn. You're hot. It's 95 degrees at what? 6,000 elevation? 7,000 elevation? Yeah, 7,000. We're dying. Anyway, then we get to the peak, and Brian is like, oh, God, yeah. Now we have... We can either go down to this. It's a mile in, mile out, and we can just rest here for the night, or we can go two miles up the other way. We're not keeping track of distance at this point. Two miles instead of a few miles. A few miles. We're like, let's just go a few miles like we were going to. Day two is going to be our easy day. That's our rest day. As we're going, it's like, I don't know, just a little bit further. Just a little bit further, and we're like, dude, how far are we going? We're already dead. We're at 7,000 feet already up. 4,000. 4,000 feet up already in seven miles. We're dead. Dave is dying. He's dying. When we got to the top, it was only another 2,000 foot elevation gain and seven more miles. It ended up being like 16 miles. He was right, but as he's describing, it's like, we're thinking it's going to be like 8 to 10 miles. As we're going, it's double what we think. His math in the beginning was right. Then next day is going to be our easy day. No. We walk about probably one mile, and we go. It's supposed to be 8 miles this day. No big deal. 8 to 10. No big deal, right? We did 16 with 6,000 foot elevation differential. A mile in, it's the same thing. It's snow. Four feet of snow everywhere. Everywhere you go. With 50, 60 pound bags on. It ended up being probably our hardest day. We had to climb to two different peaks in the snow. We had to traverse this rock face. There's pictures of it. We had to traverse this rock face, and it was a glacier. At this point, not a seasonal glacier, but you would slide 1,800 foot down. You would just have glissaded straight into this lake at the bottom of this hill. If you slipped. There's no trail. 1,800 feet. You would die. You look back. No snowshoes. No micro spikes. We didn't prepare for snow. All you have is your hiking pole. You grab your hiking pole and give yourself distance. No safety ropes. We should have tied each other off. If one of us slipped, we would have died. You can see it. You can see the picture. There's nothing behind it. We're getting way off topic. We end up glissading, which is sitting on your butt. You end up sitting on your butt and you slide anywhere from a couple hundred feet to a couple thousand feet. It is, except there's only one way to stop. At the bottom. Yeah. If there's trees at the bottom, you have to figure it out. We get to this place to glissade, and we're dead. It's been a long day. We burnt from two hard days. It's now late afternoon, and we still have two miles of descent to get to the lake we need to get to. Two and a half miles. We glissade off this snow bank. We lose 1,100 feet probably in 45 seconds. You get to the bottom and you put your bag on and you just keep going. Dave's hurting. My ankle, like I said, on the back of my heels was a quarter-sized piece of skin missing that was full thickness all the way down to full thickness. We're trying to get to the bottom. Now we're spreading out a little bit. Wyatt at this point is like, I got to take a shit. Wyatt gets off trail. We go to the bathroom. He's suffering. He's just slogging. I'm just trying to get to camp. I start taking off. I'm breaking trail. Wyatt's behind us. All of a sudden, Dave goes... I make it a mile and a half to the two and a half miles that are left. I'm sitting at this stream filling up my water bottle. Dave comes walking up. He goes, Dude, what the fuck was that? I was like... What the fuck was that? He goes, Were you banging on something? Were you off in the bushes banging on something? I was like, Dude, I'm in front of you and I've been sitting here for 20, 30 minutes. He's like, No way. He's like, Where's Wyatt? I was like, Wyatt stopped and took a shit at pretty much the snow bank a little bit right after the snow bank. He's like, Dude, I heard something in the woods and it sounded like a stick being hit against a tree. It went bang, bang, bang, bang. What he described is exactly what we heard. This is two years prior to what we just heard. He didn't hear the last one that we heard. We didn't hear the one that he heard the first time. During that, he heard that. As I'm walking through, I actually started putting my head on a swivel because you'll learn after you spend enough time out in the woods when there's a predator around or when there's danger around. When I walked to that same area, there was either going to be a mountain lion or a bear because my spidey sense came up. All it is is you'll just be like, Alright, we're good. You stop staring at the trail and you start looking around. Dave said the same thing. He goes, I felt like someone was watching me. He goes, Something was watching me and then it started making the banging noise. This guy, Young Buck at the time, he's fucking coming through the woods like a dandy. Boom, boom, boom, comes up right behind us. He comes up right behind us and he's like, What's up guys? Dave's like, Were you banging? He goes, No. He's like, I was taking a shit. He didn't hear anything. I didn't hear anything. Dave had this experience. The crazy thing is, two years later, we have almost the same exact experience. Without him. He was there though on the same trail but reverse now. We heard something that he didn't. I don't know. I have not seen it again. I have been back to that place a bunch of times and I've told many people about this story. When my wife and I first started dating, we went camping up there and it was a pretty busy weekend up there. All the campsites were taken. My family was at one of the main campsites up by the lake on the four-wheel drive. Her and I decided to go up the mile road up to the little lake, little gold lake that's up there. There's one or two campsites up there. We post up up there. It's on more of a rocky surface. It wasn't the most comfortable campsite but it was the only place up there. We pitch our tent. We have everything set up. I tell her my story, my ghost story. She's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We go to bed. We're in the tent. In the middle of the night, there's something being thrown at our tent. It's not coming from out of the tree. It's hitting the side of the tent. First of all, it hits the tent. We're like, what the hell was that? I was like, well, maybe it was something falling on the tent. She's wide awake. She's freaked out. You could hear it. It happened about six, seven times. It's hitting the side of the tent. It's not hitting the top of the tent and dribbling off. It's hitting the side of the tent. Is it moving your tent? No, but you could see we have the light on now and you could see it hit. It would just bounce. It would be the indentation with pebbles. It was acorn-sized shit. Right? We're sitting there. I'm like, be quiet, be quiet. This time I had my sidearm. I'm like, I don't know what the fuck this is. Maybe it's somebody from the other camp fucking with us. As we're sitting there, 10, 15 minutes go by and you hear something shift weight. If you've ever been in nature around people, people are loud. Insanely loud. Even when you're trying to hunt, people are loud. Their clothes make noise. Their footprints sound. Everything makes sound. This shifts. The only way I could describe it is I've come up on bears before and not known there was a bear there. It gets up and scoots off. The only thing you hear is the ground underneath it. It's the weight distribution. They have big padded feet. They don't have a bunch of extra material. They're meant for stealth. You hear this weight shift like something stands up and the rocks underneath it and the ground undulates. The sound is the best way I could describe it. You'd hear soft, muted footprints like a bear would make. Instead of people where it's you hear it's hard to explain. It's padded. When we wear shoes and we walk, it does not mesh well with the ground. No matter what you walk on, it's a hard thing versus a hard thing. If you were to walk barefoot somewhere, you're quiet as a mouse. We never walk barefoot anymore. Any creature out there is used to walking on ground. It's adapted ways to walk quieter, especially prey animals like deer or things like that, or predators that need to sneak up on things. Their goal is to be quiet. They've adapted to that. They're used to that. We could be the same way, but we're not because we never walk barefoot. Perfect example. What I heard is a barefoot human messing with us or something else. I'm not discrediting you. I'm just saying that's the problem with humans and why we're so loud. Our clothes are loud. If you're bigfoot and you're just hanging hair out there, hair on your bones, if you're barefoot, you're making no noise. Or if you're a deer, you're not making any noise. If you're going to be barefoot, you'd be bigfoot. You're so dumb. I'm just saying that anything in nature is going to be quiet. We could be the same way, but we wear things that make us not a part of nature. That's all I'm saying. You're basically proving that it wasn't a human. Discrediting. I think it could be human, but I don't know what it could be. I've had that experience there. A couple years before that... Hold on. Oh, that's John, the bus driver, I think. He took me out when I was in kindergarten. Oh, no, that's just me. No, everybody out here knows. When you live on this road, there's like five people that drive on it. Of course you know. They've all decided to drive five times each road today. That's what they say. What else are you going to do? A couple years prior to that situation, I decided there was another ER tech that I used to work with down at another hospital, and his name was Brian. I told him the story, and he didn't believe me. He's like, I have to have my own experience. I was like, all right, I'll take you to where it was. One summer, we decided we're going to go out there. We get out there, and there's not many people there again. Fluke of it. We get out there, and we have the exact campsite I was in was open. Both of them on either side were open. There was a couple people over here and a couple people on the other side. A little bit busier than it was the first time, but nothing serious. We go night kayaking. We walk around at night with headlamps. We're doing actual investigating without camera gear or anything. He really wants to see it, and I'm like, yes, please, let's do it again. Nothing really, really happens until this one time we're like, let's just go on a hike, and we decide that we're going to go off trail. We start hiking off trail and following where I thought was the game trail, and it's weaving us back and forth. There's this clear deer trail, game trail, that goes up this way into the mountain up around the other little lake that I didn't even know was up there. We follow it, we follow it, we follow it, we get up to the ridge way, way up on top, which is 800 to 1,000 feet above. There's this crown, kind of like where we're at right now, but much more dense. Three times the amount of trees. There's this crown of trees that's grown out of the side of this very steep hill, and the game trail goes right to the back side of this thing. There's an opening that's probably two trees wide on the back side, and inside is perfect bedding. Like, the dust from the tree has fallen and gathered, there's sticks in there, but it's completely flat, and it looks like things have been laying in it. And from that vantage point, if you look through the crown, it gave you an entire view of the valley, gave you a view of our camp was out to our left, it gave us the continuation of the trail to the right, and then it gave us a trail over the top. How, with this bedding, were there, like, multiple lay-down spots, or was it like a nest? Like, with one thing that was just hanging? It was a nest, and it was 12 to 15 foot in diameter. The fairy circle is what it's called, where a bunch of trees grow like that. It was probably 12 to 15 feet in diameter, and it was matted very well down. It wasn't like a deer here, a deer there. I'll show you. Is it possible that this was created naturally? Yes. Very well, the inside of the canopy could have, over the years, fallen in and then created this, and then the branches... Yeah, so it's called a fairy circle, and they happen all the time in nature. But how it was bedded down, and how it was cleared out, like... So you think it was unnaturally cleared out, like somebody specifically... This game trail was very hard to get to, and was not obvious, so I don't think it was a kid or a bunch of kids out building a fort, because it was very difficult to get to this. And then once we got to it, it gave us such a cool vantage point. My theory is, I've had two experiences there, and then now I've found what could be a den. A den of some kind. Yes. And it's not possible that it was deer that created this spot. If you've ever seen a turkey nest, or... Once again, other than what I saw the first time, all of this is conjecture. But to you, it looked like... And I used it correctly, because you did it correctly. That one. To you, it looked like this was created by Bigfoot. Like, it wasn't just something that you happened upon that maybe a deer laid down on. This looked like it was... As a 14-year-old boy, I would have loved to have it for a fort, and it would have taken me all summer to make. Like, it was intense. But, could we have just stumbled across a natural dwelling for other... Because there's other animals, other predators, other things up there. So, everything... The things hitting the side of the tent. Could it have been acorns? Okay. Could it have been somebody throwing things on the side of the tent? Okay. Could it have been a bear walking through the camp? Okay. I didn't see anything. These are just experiences I've had secondary to my primary incident, which is right exactly in the same spot. Finding this trail, and then going and finding that nest in between the two incidences Could it have been something else? Could have been something else. I'm just saying, this was the direction that this original creature was walking through, and then I picked up on that trail, and we literally... It took us all day. We were just on this mission. He's like, I've got to see this. He is much more of a believer now. She... She was a non-believer to very, very uncomfortable out in the woods. We'll put it that way. Yeah. When you ask her to her face, she still kind of rolls her eyes and like, hums. But then I say, well, explain what you saw and what you felt and how your experience as you go through this is a very uncomfortable and not natural experience. Wow. Honestly, I don't even know if they're even picking up on the mic. If I'm this close to the mic, do I sound okay? Can you? I think I hear it off of hers. Edit. This is uncut. Uncut. This is raw. Raw. No circumcision here. We're animators. So should we talk about the last thing that just happened to us? I think we're nearing that time. I think this will be a good way to finish today. Okay. I'll let you... You have no idea. You have no idea. Do you want me to explain? Because I explained the last couple. I'd like to hear your side. So I want you to start from the beginning. Or would you rather hear my enthusiasm? I'm going to describe it, though, because I'm still just an unknown. I think you're more enthusiastic about it. Okay. I kind of don't know what to think about it still. Should we do closet confessionals and cut and you say it and then I say it and then we mesh them together? Turn your mic on. No. Go away. We were just backpacking on Penner Lake. We stayed there for five days, something like that. Just some context. It was day five. It was our last day. We were packing up, ready to go. We had talked about it prior to this. We saw some thunderclouds rolling in. You can get thunderstorms up this way. I've been rained out on before on a solo camping trip and I left in the middle of the night. Everything got soaked. I didn't have my rain cover up for my tent. I'm hammock camping and he's hammock camping. We're all hammock camping, right? None of us had rain gear. I had a rain jacket. I had no rain cover for my bag, for any of my gear, for my hammock, nothing. If it started raining, you're soaked. It was actually pretty cold, too. It gets down to probably 50s or 40s. Low 50s. It's cold. If you're wet, it's cold. The wind is right off the lake, so it's chilly. I'm thinking in my brain, the worrier person, I'm like, if we get soaked, this is not good. It's a three and a half mile hike back with cold gear. I don't want that. He wakes up in the middle of the night at what, 2 in the morning? 2.15? 1.47. 1.47. You see some kind of spark, right? Tell what you saw when you woke up. I'll retell the story. You tell it and I'll retell it. All I know is I wake up and Brian's like, hey, do you see lightning right now? I was like, oh no. We talked about thunder on the way and we thought we cleared it. We don't have service, so we can't really check weather. You have to go up on the top of the hill next to us. I'm like, oh no, we're going to get soaked. I'm already on alert. I'm like, wake up, sitting there, boom, big old flash right to my left. I'm like, oh god, that's weird. Then, I'm sitting there and I see it again. No thunder, though. No thunder, just lightning. Big flashes across the whole sky. I'm like, whoa. Did you ask about the stars? You're like, do you see any stars? I'm out of sleep. It was probably five minutes after he woke up. I'm like, oh my gosh, there's no stars. I don't see any stars. We're in the middle of the lake. Stars are beautiful. Every night we've had stars. It's unbelievable. There's no stars. I start thinking, oh my gosh, we have cloud cover all over us. It's lightning. We are going to get soaked. I'm starting to panic. I'm feeling anxious. I'm like, hey, should we leave? Pack up and go. Right now, I have a headlamp. He couldn't figure out his headlamp. Dave had a headlamp. I'm thinking, let's go. Right now, it's like three in the morning. We can get back by six. Sunrise is certainly coming up at this point. We can just get in the truck and go. Even if it starts raining on us, we're at least walking and going. I have a rain jacket. Dave has sleep apnea. He's been up throughout the night the entire time. He didn't have his portable CPAP with him because that's how he is. He forgot it for the third year in a row. He forgot a different piece of it this time. I know. He still didn't have a CPAP. An expensive portable CPAP. Still has not used it. Carried it all three times. Missing one piece every time. Didn't charge it one year. Forgot his nose piece. He wakes up and we're like, Dude, there's no stars. You see lightning? Yeah. No stars. I ask him, Has there been those eerily quiet days? I use the word eerily quiet. I don't know if it's because I'm anxious or what. It was an eerie feeling. No noise. There's a stream next to us. You can't hear the stream. You couldn't hear the wind in the trees. There was no frogs. There were bullfrogs in the lake. There was a jet path over our head and every five minutes or so you would hear a jet in the middle of the night. Nothing. Nothing for this entire time. Couldn't hear the stream. Why are you getting goosebumps? Usually at this point in the night there was a train that was 30 miles to our south but you could still hear it going through the mountains. Nothing. What I'm thinking in my brain, looking back, we'll get to this. Let me just finish this story. We can't hear anything. We start thinking, let's go up on the ridge and check our phone with one bar of service and see the weather. Is it going to rain on us? Then we go up and check it and come back. Then you're thinking, fire. Is there smoke over us? Is the whole sky covered? It's fire season. Didn't smell any smoke. Maybe it's a couple miles away in the sky and when it kicks off heat it can cloud cover you with smoke. We're like, that's why there's no stars. Oh crap. Let's go check. Me and Brian are up top. Dave's still down there. He already checked the weather. It says there's no expected thunder. No rainstorms. It says it's not even cloudy above us. Weird. Then we go up and check. There's no fire near us anywhere. We checked later. We checked lightning strikes and this is something I still don't know because it could just be not reported. It was supposedly in Mendocino which is how many miles away? That's on the coast. So you wouldn't see the lightning where we're at. That's something I'm still skeptical of because someone didn't report the lightning or it wasn't recorded. I didn't hear thunder and I'm getting to that. As Brian and I are up on the ridge all of a sudden the snap of a finger the sound is back. The stream is back. Same time. And it's fucking roaring. We're like it made a stop and you hear that now. That's creepy. What I'm thinking in my brain is hindsight bias. It could be a fireflight. Why did it come back at the same time for both of us? I don't know. All I'm saying is maybe we both choose no fire and our fight or flight dropped a little bit. My fight or flight went way higher after that. I don't know. I'm just saying I was anxious. I was worried about the rain. I was worried about fire. I was in worry mode. I don't really know why I was that anxious. I was just nervous about all that and getting back safely. Infrasound, bro. There was an unseen threat that we could not detect. I don't know the answer. When the sound came back it was really when we both did look at each other. The stream is back. Maybe I was so focused that you don't hear things. When you fight or flight your focus is very small. The lightning thing, I don't know. It could be unreported. Maybe someone didn't report it. Maybe it was farther away than we thought maybe in the thunder, I don't know. This is the view of the skeptic. I'll tell you from the believer. Long story short, nothing happened. I went back to bed after about 45 minutes of staying up and we made it back safely. Have you heard my version of it? Yes, I've heard your version. I'm going to tell it. I know you were there and all. I was right there. Alright. I'm laying in my hammock. It's 1.47 in the morning. I have to get up and use the bathroom but I don't want to have to unzip and get out of my hammock. Having to pee in your hammock sucks. I prefer not peeing in my hammock. Having to pee while you're in your hammock sucks. You have to unzip every day and mosquitoes get in. I'm sitting there and I'm kicking my sleeping bag up over my face a little bit. I have a hole to breathe and I don't want to get up. I wake up and I'm sitting there and all of a sudden I see a flash. I'm like, what was that? I thought to myself, maybe sometimes our sleeping bag against the hammock will cause these little friction sparks. Static buildup. I thought maybe... That's on there. That's cool. I thought maybe it was friction sparks. I'm sitting there and my eyes are now wide open. My face is out. I don't want to have to get up. All of a sudden I see a flash and it flashes. A camera flash. It's that bright. I'm like, I don't know what that was but I'm going to get up and go pee real quick. I'm up and I get out and I unzip and as I'm peeing I'm looking around and I'm like, there's no stars. I look at my clock again and it's 1.52 and it happens a third time while I'm peeing. I said, Wyatt, time to wake up. Wyatt, you've got to wake up. He's like, what? I don't know. There's thunder. There's lightning. We're overcast. We've got to get up. He wakes up in a panic. He's like, I told you we should have gone. He popped up and he's like, we should have left when the other guys left. Remember, Dave said we should have. He's freaking out. He's like, alright. He gets up and he goes, he's now peeing and it happens again. He's like, oh man. We're talking about it and we're like, what are we doing? I have a cover for my hammock. If we put everybody's stuff in my hammock and we all get into our raincoats at least it'll be dry. We're trying to figure it out and I'm scrounging for my headlamp and at this point it happens a third time and now we're like, Dave, Dave, you've got to get up. Dave gets up and he's like, what? I was like, dude, there's lightning. No more lightning. At this point there's no more flashes once Dave wakes up. Wyatt has his headlamp. I can't get my headlamp to work. He's like, dude, we're going to have to get out of here. Dave's like, hold on. He gets up and he's going to the bathroom. We're looking around and there's smoke. There's smoke in our camp. It's a low-lying smoke and it's across the lake. The lake has this eerie smoke. It's like a fog. A fog of smoke. In your headlamp you can see ash. We did have a fire. We did. That's when my mind starts going, is there a fire? They decide they're going to go check the weather out. They go to the top. I'm working on my headlamp. I'm like, nope. There's no storms anywhere nearby. There's no weather. You know what I probably described? When we went up top, it was like a circle of clouds over the top of us. But still no stars. But it was like a circle around us. If you look out at the ridges around you, on the horizon, you can see stars. I noticed that when I went up. I was going to describe that. I come back down. I get my headlamp working. I'm like, what about fire? He's like, yeah, it's really smoky. There's smoke, but there was no smoke up there. It was just this flat, right over the lake. It was like an inversion layer of smoke. But it looked like something ran through our fire pit almost. At this point he's like, dude, I don't hear anything. I'm like, yeah, dude, but we don't hear anything. You don't hear the wind in the trees. You don't hear the jet overhead. We're describing the bullfrog as like a beagle with its head out the window. Yeah. It was just one bullfrog. That's all it was. But he was our buddy the entire time. He wasn't around. We go up, and I'm looking around. Just what he described. There's this eerie circle around us. It's miles. 40, 50 miles. The entire circumference you could see from up there, but there's a weird donut-shaped cloud all the way around us. Wait, donut or circle? You're in the inside of the donut. You're looking out through a donut hole. Circle. The middle is not hollow. You're correct. Translator. Thanks, Bloss. But there's no stars. So we decide that, I'm checking up on my phone to see if there's any fires. There's a fire, but it's way far away, and it's not blowing in this direction. We're like, no, it can't be it. Right then, after I'm looking on my phone, the sound comes back on. Immediately, both of us look at each other, and we're like, what the... I get goosebumps. I'm like, what the fuck? He goes, I don't know, man. That was pretty worked up at this point. I go, I don't know, man. The stream is going, and as we're walking back down, going, no way, this is not happening, all of a sudden, the bullfrog going down the road, starts going off again. What? Like, bullfrog's going off again, and all of a sudden, we're walking, and we're walking down, bullfrog's going off, the creek's going off. You can hear, like I faintly hear a jet, and I look up. The stars are back. That cloud thing is completely gone. The stars are back. It's almost like you had a cloud over us, and the cloud passed, if that makes sense. Over the whole 40, 50 mile circumference of that circle, above the cloud. We were probably up for 45 minutes, right? Oh yeah. Stars are back. As we're walking back down, we're like Dave, and we're trying to explain this, and we're all kind of weird about it. I didn't think I was going to go right back to bed. I didn't either. All of us hit the bed. Dave got the best sleep of his life. All three of us slept hard. Didn't wake up again. I woke up, and this is the weird part, and I remember telling you about it, but this is the weird part. Were you sore? It's no more than usual with you guys. This is the weird part. None of us wake up, and it's right before dawn, and it's in that early morning light, and there's two hikers walking through our camp, and I just barely wake up enough to roll over and look, but I couldn't describe to you what they looked like, but there was two hikers walking through our fucking camp way before, they were doing a sunrise hike or something, and that's what you said. It was probably just two hikers doing a sunrise hike, but we slept so hard and had missing time, and that's the next thing I fucking remember is two people walking out of our camp. Wait, why is that so weird? Just the missing time aspect. You weren't missing time, you were sleeping. So, have you ever... Word hard. Word hard. When you're so amped up and your adrenaline's going so fast, and then for all three of us, I didn't think I was going to go back to bed. All three of us? Within minutes. It's hard to believe that you fell asleep that hard. It's almost like when you have a bad dream and you wake up and you're like, I can't go back to sleep. It's like the dream continued. We hit the bed, and the next thing I remember is popping up and being like, that was the best sleep I've had all week. I wouldn't say that for me personally, I just did fall back to sleep. I slept hard. I did too, because he even said I slept really good afterwards. I sleep well normally, so I can attest to that, to be honest. I sleep okay in handy. Weird. Do you think you were abducted? I don't think so. Ryan? Do you think it was just a weird, when it alters time? I talked to other people about it, and the whole time loop, it was a relaxing time. You could have. It was kind of Twilight Zone-ish. It was weird. Being a skeptic, the further you get away from it, the more you try to normalize it. Immediately afterwards, you were way more amped about it. Now, having this conversation with you, you're trying to justify it. That's true. That's a good point, because you lose the feeling of what happened. I'm a preparer. When I go to sleep, I have my headlamp there ready to go. It's not my bag. I have everything ready. Basically, if I needed to leave, I could leave. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. When I woke up, I was thinking back to when I got rained out on, how miserable I was. I was actually thinking about safety-wise, are we going to be too cold to get back? You didn't have a rain jacket, did you? Maybe Dave didn't or something. He had a puffer. He had a puffer, but it wasn't an actual rain jacket. I was just thinking, if we got soaked and walked back, are we going to be okay? We probably would have been fine. But that's where your brain was at. My brain was like, hey, we need to leave. Then it was like, fire, oh my gosh, are we going to get burned out? Are we going to make it back to the truck? We don't have service up here. The sound is the thing that I can't explain. The circle, the stars. Maybe there was a cloud cover, and it blew away quickly. Living with a skeptic is hard. Are there other accounts where this type of situation happens, where people stop hearing? It's usually abduction-esque. Really? The only reason I decided to have this conversation on this topic was... You did mention Bigfoot. I did. Things are quiet. Bigfoot has been known. When predators are around, all animals go quiet. The fact that the creek went quiet is weird. That's what made me think it wasn't a bear or maybe a mountain lion. I'm pretty sure there's only a few animals in nature that use what's called an anthrosound. That's what I was referring to earlier. An anthrosound is a subsonic sound or supersonic sound that we cannot hear outside of our hearing. Can you pull that up, Jamie? I'm 80% right on this one. I'm not going to spell it for you. I don't know what that is, actually. May, what is it? I don't want to be there. Infra. Like infrared. Infra-red. Exactly. Infra like infer. Is this the same as echolocation? No. Echolocation uses bings and dings and dongs that are not necessarily... ...are bings and dings and dongs that you don't necessarily... You can hear them. Infrasound is above or below the frequency which humans can hear. Yes. Infra. Infra. Infrasound. Infrasound. Like information. For your information. Is this what people talk about when they're referring to... I think it's like tigers and cats, right? Mainly tigers. I think tigers are the only one, maybe mountain lions, that have an infrasound. And it pauses prey or something? It does. I think ostriches also have it. And supposedly those bigfoot hunters that have never seen it also state that the experts say that witnesses have stated having the same emotions of what infrasound would do. Our military uses infrasound and what it is meant to do is pause or to disrupt their prey to where like they're just disoriented. I felt very disoriented. And things went away and if you were to introduce a sound that was above or below our frequency because there was almost like it was so quiet there was a hum. I can tell you from my experience it was so quiet it was like a hum. If that makes sense. And there was a high anxiety of it. How come that's exactly describing what infrasound does. And that's where my mind went because I was literally standing out in my hammock hyperventilating and why I was like dude calm down and he's already fucking panicked like he's already trying to calm down and I'm like standing there going it's happening again, it's happening again. I remember saying that. Your brain immediately went to predator. You're like quiet because of the predator. My brain was just thinking it's going to thunder. I was just like hey we need to get out of here. My mind went immediately to there is something here. We're being observed. It felt like we're being watched. That's where my ponds of my brain went to. Does that happen with Bigfoot where well supposedly. So it has been time I swear you keep saying something with a B. Supposedly does. Hey I spell phonetically so I just have to say it incorrectly too. Supposedly you do. I'm going to supposedly show my foot up there. I was trying not to say anything about it. Time. So time. Lost time. With Bigfoot there's lost time. There's also been orbs and light anomalies that have been associated with Bigfoot encounters. For years the experts say I guess that could be like an interdimensional thing. That's what makes me kind of be like it could be interdimensional or extraterrestrial. I don't know if it's interdimensional or extraterrestrial. It could be both. Interdimensional and extraterrestrial? Yeah. It sounds like a Beastie Boys song. It does. Can they sponsor us? Are we going to do pets? You got a pet for this one? Oh I don't know. I don't have one planned. I'll have a good one. Thank you for listening to our rant and rave and going down the rabbit hole with the other kids. Thank you so very much. Thank you for all your hard work. Thank you.