Denounce - 2

The speaker discusses the idea of tying one's identity to certain things, such as religion, fraternities, and sororities. They mention that there are two types of people who join these groups: those who align their beliefs with the group and those who join for a sense of belonging. The speaker also criticizes "super Christians" who have a black and white view of the world, contrasting it with the gray areas of life. They argue that the Bible was written by humans and has multiple versions of the same stories, so interpretations can vary. The speaker touches on the idea that denouncing a group can be a way of condemning others and discusses the networking benefits of fraternities and sororities. They also mention that more black people denounce their Greek organizations compared to white people, possibly because black organizations offer fewer post-college advantages. Denounce and we're back right here on the under plumbing line doc and larry p talking about denouncement My whole off-air conversations on that video delete that oh, they don't get deleted by the way But What I want to talk about is when y'all tie y'all identities to things that are not When y'all feel the need to tie down identity to stuff, so, you know, I grew up in a Christian household But we wasn't I don't feel like we tied our identity to the church. We attended, you know, we we went to church Mm-hmm, you know we did I've been little summer Bible camps and vacation Bible school and Sunday school and all these things and it's like, you know I've been a Christian the majority of my life. I hate super Christians. I don't like super Christians Hey super Christians and what I've noticed about churches fraternities sororities Masonic lodges like all of these types of things is like there are two types of people who join these things There are people who as you were describing Their beliefs along with my beliefs and that is why I'm a part of it I would be doing these things no matter what but I found a group of people that I can do these things with and so that is why I feel like it would be beneficial for me to be a member of this and You know, they go along their regular life like nothing really like Nothing really like shifted in you as a person Like you didn't change who you are Surrounded yourself with like-minded people and you may have become a better version of yourself, but you never like fully change who you are Mm-hmm for those of you who have are struggling with identity issues For those of you who are struggling for belonging those are the types of people who I see either go super Greek or are the type of people who would like otherwise denounce because you didn't get the sense of belonging and fulfillment that you were expecting by joining a Fraternity or sorority so you start some other way to get that same level of fulfillment and it's kind of a twofold thing I think they still don't have their identities. No, I think when they didn't know Usually when they denounce know what I see when people denounce they denounce before the Greek stuff and they go to this They go to what you just said the religion they denounce for The Greek side of it and they denounce that flip to the religious side of it and they'd like, you know, this does not match up with my views of God and all this and then they become like they go from super Greek to super religious. Mm-hmm Which at the end of the day their identity still is not Intact at this point, they're just basically shifting from one identity to the next identity and And like I said, I don't really like super Christians because I feel like super Christians The world is black and white to super Christians. Mm-hmm whereas for people that like you say grew up in a Christian household and they like they know who their identity is you realize There's a lot of gray out there. Mm-hmm And if you read the Bible, there's a lot of gray in the Bible But a lot of super Christians would be like you can't be gay and get to heaven What y'all gonna do if y'all get to heaven and there's gay people up there? That's a great question. Like you gonna leave. Yeah, it's like Come here come here. Come here. I need to talk to the manager. You want to talk to Jesus? Yeah, yeah get a move in now now now now it said here in Leviticus Leviticus it said that you know, man shouldn't be laying with a man now. I'm looking over here Hey, I don't like what y'all got going on in here They got to realize the Bible was written by a bunch of other people It's not like God or Jesus wrote the Bible. The Bible was written by other people. So just imagine if JK Rowling RL Stein I can't think of no more Authors right now, but just imagine if they all freaking Oliver twist just always like you know what? I'm gonna put my version of what I saw in the in this in this book I don't want to get it. I don't want to get into a theological discussion because you know, I feel like you know That's the gateway for you know cancellation, but I won't say this. I mean it is the Bible has multiple versions of the same stories and And the reason why I have multiple versions of the same stories is because it has been told from different perspectives Mm-hmm. It is Put together in a manner where it's supposed to be a Historical account of what happened it's not even a it's not like a There's not a philosophical type of thing. It's like It's just people tell you this is what happened it's a bunch of historians and So when you when you look at it in that manner Like some people can read people's intent differently Based upon like what they choose to get from reading the book But it's like a historian telling Martin Luther King story You know one historian may tell you like, you know Martin Luther King was here to like, you know for equality and all this stuff and another historian may tell you like Well Martin Luther King was sleeping with white women and everything So he was really looking for more reason for him to sleep with white women and us to do without being punished for you know So every historian may see something from a different perspective like we are human at the end of the day And like I said when it comes to the Bible It was written by humans and so and and so that goes to the point of when you jump back to the denouncement my biggest issue is Why Are you feeling it tell us And then you'll believe like I mean you like you not It feels like what y'all try to do when you do this denouncement is Condemned the rest of us, right? When look at me, I was just trying to get the girl like nobody like one of the things I that has been interesting about You know black Greek organizations and in particular Especially like from like the late 90s on and they make such a big point of oh, we don't recruit we don't go out and just beg people to join and all of these things and so what that said is You joining was a choice Nobody like made you like be a Delta. Nobody made you be a captain Nobody made you be like nobody said like you got you got to do this in the same manner though Now a religion what they will tell you is yeah, well, you're in a Christian you want to help I like they will tell you that straight out. You want me to really rustle some more feathers, though There's more black people well This is just me speaking. I'm not I'm not too sure what the white fraternities and white sororities do but I would like to say That I know more black people and probably mostly black people that denounce their fraternity sororities More than the white people denounce their fraternity sorority and I'm gonna tell you probably why because after college The black fraternity sorority don't do nothing for you and when you look at the way white fraternity sororities do is Basically essentially kind of like a cult. We're like if I'm trying to get a job and it's like well, you know, you know Uh Charles from Kappa Sig, you know, he up there. He from he from old too. He worked there He got like a good position and Charles can get you a job Let somebody from Kappa and be like, oh, you know, he got position, but I don't know I don't know if I can get you and I try to put in the word for you. So Here's why I'm gonna disagree with you because I think either that is a experience that is unique to you or that is Dealing with the wrong people because what I will say is There have been people who have sent me information That I've looked out for I sent my information to people who looked out for me strictly off the strength of Being a part of the organization. Not only that Sometimes it's a situation where It's not even the same fraternity and somebody has looked out for me just because they know The connection like oh you and a fraternity. Yeah, I'm not in the same fraternity, but you know You know saying we will look out but I think that's more so I want to say that's more so maybe networking And that's one of the great that's probably one of the biggest selling points that fraternities and sororities can offer is the network So isn't but at the same time is networking with the right people. I think I think I think when you in a black fraternity Sorority you have to network you have to cast a wide net versus like I said, I feel like There's a smaller net that's cast in a certain situation with the white fraternities and sororities Like they got us like we got to go to different schools. You got a party with different people You got to do all this stuff and everything like I can't just party at my school With my fraternity and expect us to be able to connect each other in the future. There's also less of us Correct too. So when you when you think about it in that standpoint What is going to be your connection with somebody at another school if you are not otherwise? Affiliated like if I move to a new city Like that would be one of the first things I look for is like is there is there a chapter here? Yeah, cuz I don't know. I don't know none of the restaurants. I don't know none of the lounges I don't know none of the people like what is my starting point? So instead of me starting from scratch. I at least start from somewhere And it's the same thing across the board now when you get back into People who are not affiliated or the people who are so Protested of Yeah, I don't believe in that. I'm an individual. I mean, that's cool. But just understand that you know You're cutting yourself off from a network that you could otherwise have if if you were a part of it, you know And that's another reason now that you say that that's another reason why I realized like Of course I said the reason for me joining a fraternity was to get the girls I think in the back of my mind before I Actually cuz I didn't join until like I was a junior. So at that point I had like Created like some type of like community of like friends and stuff at that point but when I moved my mom moved me from Atlanta to Columbia my freshman year of high school and You know, you know high school you were 13 14 years old and Being at that point of growing up with a bunch of my like childhood friends that happened to like Get new friends at 14 I didn't get that until like I joined the football team Like I got like that community of family and from that football team. It was like, okay cool It grew to other people that I may knew that knew so I knew like when I went off to college I was like, okay Well, I'm about to leave this community and I'm about to go to another community and I was like What's the easiest way to like grow another group and I was like join a fraternity. So like you say, um You have to know I think the biggest thing with denouncing it you have to know why you were joined in this organization and it can't just be You like what the organization stands for like you have to know Your direct reason there must be a reason why you want to join and it can't be because my mama Kappa I mean your mama not a Kappa my mom my daddy a Kappa or my mama You are you know, I think your bumble might be a human. It's 2024 Legitimate I'm just saying But uh, yeah, you gotta know your direct reason well, you know and it can't be legacy It can't be like it's got to be solely something with you And I think a lot of times especially when you think about like fraternity sororities like it's usually going to be like I say usually not all the time it's gonna be like the higher achieving people like the people that are like very good and like achieving like You know extracurricular activities and then if you boil that back down to high school that boils down to people-pleasing So at the end of the day with special with legacy people Are you really joining the fraternity because you want to join a fraternity or sorority? Are you joining this because your parents say you need to and here's the other thing? To go along with that point if you don't know what you're trying to get out of it You're going to get nothing out of it. Yeah, that's correct If you like some people just like I just joins that that's what I'm supposed to do Like yeah You left feeling like I got nothing out of joining this Because you didn't know what you were trying to get out of it, right? If you just if you simply join as we say, um, I just joined for the shirt I'm just a letter where or whatever whatever you want to call it. Yeah, you got nothing out of it Because you didn't know what you was doing it for in the first place and I can't nobody can motivate it Motivate you intrinsically. I can't tell you like hey You need to feel this way about this because I can't make you feel anything like that that's on you as an individual and I'll also say this in the next segment. I'm gonna go more into you know, the clout chasing of it all but um But I also say this you Have to know who you are Otherwise somebody else is gonna be able to define who you are for you and That is what is most alarming about these people in these public denouncements is because y'all Really sound brainwashed and I will say this as well and you kind of like Highlighted this as well like you got to know why you're joining And I think you also got to know like even if the reason why you're joining you can't let that be The determining factor, you know I'm saying because some people may join it like based on like what I was saying I like I feel like the white sorority fraternities do more for them than the black fraternity sorority You can't join a black fraternity sorority expect a success, but then at the same time you don't want to network Mm-hmm, you know, I mean, so they're like, of course when you join anybody Well, I thought this is gonna like, you know, put me in a higher place to put me and give me better opportunities but at the same time you not networking and you just expect the people to be like Offer the name of you being in the organization should be like well, you know Felicia. She is Delta Let's go give that shot to Felicia cuz I know she need it, you know So now you got it's a game everything everything in life is what you put into it. It's really this simple It's like all right. So for people who would say, all right, I didn't get nothing out of it. Here's my question Did you go to any conferences? Did you go to any meetings? Did you do any community service? Did you like do any events? Did you like reach out to other members of the organization? Did you like did you do any of that? Because what being a member did was give you access to all of it Mm-hmm, and if you chose not to do that, then no, no, I didn't help you get a job No, it didn't help you to be in a better position But you also didn't do what you was supposed to do on your end once you had access to all of the information Mm-hmm. That's on you but when we come back I Want to talk about the cloud of it all it's not a point in life