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Talk: 19890326-Larry_Rosenberg-UNK-guiding_the_heart_2-1563 Leandra Tejedor Start_time: 00:19:15 Display_question: What do you do when you feel overwhelmed by the kilesas? Keyword_search: kilesas, breath, vipassana, samadhi, guardians of the heart, bamboo/wooden/brick house, stillness, stability, equanimity, Buddha, bodhisattva, come what may seeing, confidence, vulnerable Question_content: Questioner: When these kilesas begin, do you…what do you do? Go to the breath or begin to breathe. What do you do when it starts to take over? Larry: Yeah, I went to that last night. If you think back about last night, that is, you can use… that is both samadhi and vipassana can be seen as guardians of the heart. There are great protectors. Samadhi can protect you by doing just what you suggested. That is, the more you develop samadhi, if you develop samadhi, then you have something. If you don't develop, you won't have it. One image that is used is that people who have had no training in samadhi, which is most of the human race, are like, in our terms, making it more contemporary, be like street people, that is, who have no protection from the elements, from the view of other people, from their possessions, or they're just vulnerable out there. What that means is that the kilesas just do whatever they want with you. We keep getting caught. Break_line: As we start to develop samadhi, it's like building a bamboo house. In other words, there's a bit more protection, then it becomes a wooden house, and finally a brick house. Now you just try to imagine, along with me, that is, if you've tasted even one second of peace during the weekend, well, let's say a few moments of stillness, or stability, or equanimity. Just try to imagine if that got a lot deeper, and were a lot more stable, and if you could go to it at will, that is, if you were able to drop into it, and receive some of the nourishment that comes from that, for some soothing to go into effect. So that when you're doing that, let's say that means in order to do that, that means you're not caught in what's raging outside. You've separated yourself from it. Break_line: Again, it's not eliminating the kilesas, but it puts you in a position of some safety, at least temporarily. Vipassana is more the sword. It's coming out of your… after you've rested, it's coming out and again, it's not screaming and ranting, and raving at your greed, or hatred, or delusion, which would be more of the same. It's a very quiet, almost tender looking, it's got to be steady. And the quality we're developing, whether you know it or not, and for those of you on the weekend, I think it'd be hard to really see it, but the beginnings are there. The Buddha was someone… was once called someone who had mastered, come what may seeing. We're learning that art. How to master come what may seeing. That means no matter what turns up, we're able to be there and attend to it. Break_line: Now, right now, we can't do that. Whoop here comes that. Or we get lost in something. That is, whatever is there, is welcome. It's like a party where whoever shows up is a welcome guest, including the most hideous things you can imagine, that you're afraid of. Oh, here comes terror. Great. Come on in, sit down, have a cup of tea. In other words, it means the confidence that's being developed, in our work here, which was slowly and painstakingly, over a period of time developing, has to do with the confidence in the workability of things. That no matter what turns up, okay, it's a disaster, but it's workable. That is, we have confidence in ourselves, that we'd rather not have it. A death, a disappointment, a failure, a loss, whatever. Of course, no one wants to have any of those things, but we get them anyway. It's part of what's going on. But if there's a confidence that we have within us, the resources, that it's workable, that we can work with it, and actually learn and grow from it, to make it even more, it's not just coping. We're already coping. We're doing that to a greater or lesser extent. It's more than coping. It's flipping everything around. The worst thing that happens turns out to be the best thing, because it's your teacher. If something's that terrible, that shows where you're extremely vulnerable, and so you have an opportunity to grow, through that. Okay, that’s the attitude of the Bodhisattva warrior or the Vipassana yogi warrior. End_time: 00:24:15
