Episode 1 Max Rebo

This is a podcast called "Rise of the Glup-Shut-Oh" that focuses on the lesser-known characters in Star Wars. The hosts, Brit and Stephanie, share their own Star Wars stories and how they found a community of Star Wars fans. They discuss their favorite characters, including Max Rebo, a blue elephant-like creature known for his musical talent. They also talk about the history and design of Max Rebo and the controversy surrounding whether his appendages are arms or feet. The podcast aims to explore the backstories of these lesser-known characters and create new ones if necessary. Hi, I'm Brit and I'm Stephanie and this is the Rise of Glup-Shut-Oh. Hey, welcome to the first episode of Rise of the Glup-Shut-Oh. I guess we should start off by saying thank you for being here. Yeah. We are excited and nervous, both of those things. We feel like because this is the first episode, we should start off by giving a history of the term Glup-Shut-Oh. Tumblr user Gomdrabar in 2020 said that quote, every time a new Star Wars movie or show is announced, all the fans are like, OMG, Glup-Shut-Oh is back. It was used originally to say that Star Wars, especially in a post-Disney acquisition of Star Wars, that they attempt to win fans over by reintroducing characters from the past. I feel like it was kind of an asshole thing to say, but now it's kind of developed, Glup-Shut-Oh has developed into a reference to characters from Star Wars that are like really well-known to hardcore fans, but not to general audiences. And so that's what we're going off of. So this is a podcast about all the little weird side background characters of Star Wars. That you looked and were like, Ooh, I want to know more about that weirdo. Yeah, who's that girl with the reddish-pink hair? And what is that blue elephant in the background? I guess also we should introduce ourselves, right? And tell our Star Wars story. So go ahead, Britt. Yeah, so I grew up watching the VHSs of the episodes four, five, and six. My true love is, of course, Return of the Jedi, just because I enjoyed all the puppeteering and all the crazy creatures and mostly the Ewoks as a small child. I enjoyed the little rage-filled teddy bears. I really enjoyed it because my dad enjoyed it, so it was something we could bond over. And it might be a really controversial thing. I do like episode three. I enjoyed that one. It's okay to like the prequels. It's okay. Episode one, I could not get into, but episode three was a favorite of mine. And I really just didn't get really deep into Star Wars until probably about 2014, 15, when I finally watched the Clone Wars cartoon series. And yeah, after that, I was like, oh, this is great. And just been diving deep into Star Wars since. Yeah, well, I've loved Star Wars my whole life, but I think I was like a closeted Star Wars fan because I had no Star Wars friends or anyone to like share that love with. And, but I was pretty obsessed. I had like a t-shirt that I wore every day in high school, like this vintage Chewbacca t-shirt, which I just found on my car. I think I lost it. And then like I would do little things like I would paint on my t-shirts or like my shoes. And I don't know, I like found little ways to express it, but I had nobody really to share it with. And then actually recently, one of my best friends got into Star Wars and introduced me to her friends who she worked with, which includes Brittany, that were also into Star Wars. And I think it just like ignited more of a passion than before, because I was able to share it with people. And we were, we go places, we go to conventions, we dress up, there's like, we go out and do things. And I think that that has really made me get involved with the Star Wars community on Instagram and TikTok and all that has been so much fun. And I really didn't have anyone to share it with before. So yeah, that's my Star Wars story. Yeah, no, I know finding you guys has really solidified, not like it has made it more meaningful to have that group of friends. Yeah, I really wish I had gotten involved in the Star Wars online community way before, but I think I was just scared and intimidated because like, I didn't, I don't feel like I know everything. I didn't want anyone to make me feel bad about my particular love for Star Wars, because I thought it was weird that I liked all these weird creatures. Yeah, not like I'm a fan. Your favorite character? Oh, it's this blue elephant named Max Rebo. I didn't even know what Salacious Crumb's name was originally when I was younger, but I loved the way that he looked. And so just the laugh, yeah, the laugh, which I'm not going to do, but I did run around as a kid and laugh like him. I love to do like the Jabba laugh, but I won't do that. Yeah, oh my god, I love, I do love the Jabba laugh. I think that's when me and my fiancee like get to like, I don't know, when you get like kind of scheming and like about something and go, like you don't do the evil laugh. Yeah, yeah, you do the Jabba laugh. Yeah, just having you guys has been the most fun, like going to all these places together. Like I would have never gone to a convention by myself. I would have felt like I didn't belong there. And I do, and everybody belongs there. So if you want to go and you have no one to go with, go. Just do it. Don't waste, don't waste your time. Dress up and go. Yeah, I know. I also wish I would have kind of joined online communities more, but I always felt the same way. Like, oh, I don't know enough. I don't know what they're talking about. I feel like when we first, because, you know, the internet started, you know, when we were younger and I feel like a lot, people are still mean on the internet, but they felt like they were really mean on the internet when I was a child and on chat rooms and servers and stuff like that. So I don't know if I got like burned from that. And also my older brothers weren't very supportive of me liking Star Wars. Oh, that's hard. It was their thing. And so I think that just have, like, I was discouraged from liking it. And then my friends all thought it was weird. Right. But they would find ways of appreciating that part of me. Like for Christmas, I'd get something Darth Vader and I'm like, not even my favorite character, but okay. But you tried. So I appreciate that. Yeah, Star Wars is always with me and my dad. He was always excited that I like to watch Star Wars. So we'd watch it together a lot. And then my best friend from childhood also really liked Star Wars. But like, just like casually watching just, you know, episodes four, five and six. She didn't dive as deep as, you know, we are now, but it was always a fun thing for us. She always thought, I think my favorite thing I always remember her saying was, she's like, you know, younger, I always thought Luke was the hot one. But like, as you get older, you realize it's really Han is the hot one. Oh, I always liked Han. I don't know if I was into older dudes, but I was like, yes, I like Han. She was just like, yeah, I thought I was a Luke girl. But now, yeah, you get older and you're like, wait a second. I feel, you know, like my, you know, Rachel, her, our friend Rachel. Her favorite is she loved Luke. And I really liked Han growing up. So I think we're all a little different. But I can totally see that because Han is, I mean, Luke is the main character. And then you're like, I need to like the main character. No, no, no. It's the rugged pilot of the Millennium Falcon. Yeah, that's a good one. No, exactly. And then, I mean, another thing I think that stopped me from like, talking about my love of Star Wars is because like, I didn't want to dress up as, you know, Leia or, you know, now like, I never really felt that, which is why, you know, my love for Max Rebo is kind of weird. Because I always felt like there wasn't a place for me to dress up, because I wasn't involved in the Star Wars community. So I thought, oh, my gosh, if I dress up like Max Rebo, no one's going to know who I am. And which was just so stupid. Why did I think that? Of course, everybody knew, like, no one's going to know who I am. They're not going to get it. And I'm going to feel out of place because I'm not someone that's like mainstream, like a mainstream character. And yeah, that's where that came from. Like being able to go to Disneyland, the Star Wars night, I was so nervous. But I was like, you know, I'm just going to dress up who I want to dress up as. And I thought it was hilarious. But I did have to drink like quite a bit of Prosecco before I left the hotel room. A little liquid courage. I needed a lot of liquid courage. But yeah, I mean, that's where the concept of this podcast came from, is the love of those characters that don't really get a lot of screen time. Well, especially these characters actually do have, since the expansion of this universe, they have backstories that a lot of people don't know about or don't know how to find, which we'll find this season. Maybe difficult to find some of the backstories. If they don't have backstories, we'll make them up. If anything, we will give you guys backstories, whether you want them or not. Okay, well, we've mentioned Max Rebo quite a bit. So I guess we should really start with Max Rebo. Something close, someone close to your heart, not a thing. He is a sentient being. Yes, he is. He's the myth, the man, the legend. Maximilian Rebo. Yeah, so I'm just going to start off like, let's go back to 1982. Here, we don't have really any clue, but we know we have monster number 21, Red Ball Jet. Yes. So that's what he was originally known as. I wonder how he would feel being referred to as a monster. Not even just a monster, monster number 21. I don't know, maybe he would rather be Red Ball Jet. I mean, Red Ball Jet is very important to him. Red Ball Jet, Oregon. Red Ball Jet, Oregon. So yeah, the original concept design, he was lacking arms, and he's sitting on a pillow and playing an instrument with his feet. Yes, his feet, people. But because of how the puppet was designed, people assumed his feet were his arms. So we'll go all into the great feet versus arms. I have very, very strong opinions about this. Very strong. We'll get into those. So Phil Tippett was the designer who created Max Rebo. He had been working in visual effects for more than 30 years. He has two Academy Awards, six nominations, one BAFTA, which is a British Academy Film and Television Award, and four nominations in that category. And also has two Emmys. Yeah, he's got some cred. He was very talented. No, exactly. Very, very talented. All of it. So he was first hired by George Lucas to create the stop motion for Dejarik, which is a little chess game that they're playing on the Millennium Falcon. And he was a part of the modeling and casting of Alien Heads and Limbs for the cantina scene in A New Hope. He was then the lead animation team for The Empire Strikes Back. And he was supporting the team that brought to life the Imperial Walkers and the Tauntauns. Oh, the Tauntauns. I love the Tauntauns. Of course I love the Tauntauns, right? In 1983, he was the head of Industrial Light Magic Creature Shop. This meant that he was working for our favorite movie, Return of the Jedi. So, not only did he create our lovable Max Rebo, but was also in charge of designing creatures like Jabba and the Rancor. I love Jabba so much. I know, right? I love Jabba. And so his work on Return of the Jedi is what led him to win the Oscar for Best Visual Effects. So he's a really important dude in our world of Globetrotters. Like, he's needed. How amazing would it be to see the ILM Creature Shop? Oh my god. I would lose it. I would absolutely lose it. Yeah, my head would explode. Yeah, I would totally cry. So, I'm just gonna read this long quote by Phil Tippett because I feel like he just said it all so beautifully, describing this world he was working in. It's from StarWars.com. The article is Jedi at 40 Into the Rancor Pit with Dennis Muren and Phil Tippett. So, from Phil, he said, the first thing George did was he needed to populate Jabba's palace. I asked to see the script and he said he hadn't written it yet. Classic George. Classic George. Like we know him. Yes. And George said, well, can you make a bunch of space aliens? Just like with the chess set? We're going to be doing a scene like the cantina scene, only a lot bigger, so there needs to be a lot more characters. There weren't many skilled sculptors around at this point in time, so I, being Phil, pulled together whoever I could and once a week, we would meet and George would come over and look at our designs. Every Friday, we made at least a half a dozen designs. George seemed to respond really well to three-dimensional maquettes, which maquettes are a big part of movie making and creative processes. It's a small-scale physical sculpture design of any kind of character. I think if you watch any kind of behind-the-scenes movie thing, you know, you always see these tiny figures. And they're great. Sorry, Regal Robot sells those maquettes. Yeah. They're really interesting and cool. No, they're super, super cool. So he really liked the maquettes. Back to Phil, he could see them and he could turn them around and see them in the light, you know, image, camera angles and whatnot, and then he would pick things. He'd go, this yellow one with long legs and a snout is going to be the singer and this little blue guy is going to play the piano. And this guy, what is that? We go, that's a calamari man. He said, okay, well, that's going to be Admiral Ackbar. That's a quote. I love that. I know. You just get to like walk through and go, okay, that guy plays the piano and this one sings. I love it. Yeah, I know. It's what a fun job that, yeah, he... I'm sure it was probably also stressful of like, I've got to be a creative genius and make this world come to life with a ton of characters. That would be a dream job to just make monsters all day. You're not a monster, but I would love it. Yeah, I can't even imagine how many creatures also didn't get chosen. I know. I always wonder about that. I would hope. It's so kind of hard too, because I feel like back then, they probably didn't save stuff as well as they do nowadays. Because it's all digital now. Right. And like, well, they probably just didn't think like, oh, it's a hit. But like, is it going to be a hit forever? Like for so long? Like I know, I feel like I've read some stuff with Jim Henson, that a lot of their like original stuff is just gone and can't find because, you know, they didn't think it was going to be such a huge impact for people. That's a travesty. I know. So yeah, that's the creation of our lovable Max. We know now the history of Max and his creation. He was a puppet, puppeteered by one person. And that person was Simon J. Williamson, who was uncredited. But now we can give him the credit. All right. So, yes, he now has a total difference. Now his life has changed because we uncredited him with us singularly. No one else knew. So he was a leading animatronic creature performer in the UK. He also played the Gamorrean guard. And then Jubnuk, who gets eaten by the Rancor. Yes. He also played Amon Calamari and puppeteered the blinking eyes of Nian Nub. Nian Nub? Yeah. So, like, just. One eye? I think both eyes, but still just to be like, I puppeteered eyes. Hey, that's so cool. I would take that job. Right. So he has been a puppeteer for Jim Henson's The Dark Crystal. The Great Muppet Caper. My favorite Muppet Christmas Carol and Muppet Treasure Island. I know all wonderful, wonderful movies. He also has extensively acted in theater and radio and has narrated over 200 hours of audio books. So I did look up a little more deeper background for Simon J. Williamson, because I feel like he deserves a little more deep dive. So this was from an interview with Talking Bay 94. So thank you, Talking Bay 94, for interviewing Simon J. Williamson. So, yeah, the interesting thing about his background is he has a degree in zoology. Very cool. Just like very obscure, I feel, from theater to zoo. But his interest in the theater started with a festival at SHRM Theater, which is a university theater in Cardiff. He met a group of students after a show, and they suggested he attend some mime workshops. Just a little miming. Post-uni, he was actually a lab technician at a botany lab for three months. So all of this really resonated with me, since I have my background in marine biology. And in undergrad, I worked at a phytoplankton lab. So I'm like, me and him, we're just mirror images right now. Yeah, which makes me feel good, because I have a science background as well. And I think that the interest in animals, and it makes sense that we would have a love for the creatures, right? Right. No, definitely. So he only worked at that botany lab for three months, but then left the job to pursue more theater work. So good on him, because I clearly could never do that. As much as I would love to be a puppeteer, I would never have the gall to. No, you could. You could be, you gotta go to mime class. I know, that's where I went wrong, is I didn't take any miming classes. Let's do it. We did take a robot class at Woodlawn, remember? Oh, yeah, I was pretty good at that. I was not. I was terrible. So a little bit, he talks a little bit about how it felt to puppeteer Max Rebo. He said it was a pretty simple puppet, and there wasn't much you could do with his face. He described his face as very rubbery and stiff. Oh, I know. Like Max Rebo has Botox. Yeah. You can't lose it. He must stay young forever. He must stay young forever. So Rebo's eyes were above the puppeteer's forehead, and a cable crew operated the trunk and ears, which we know are not ears. They are slippers. Um, so and that's even something he then made a comment of. He was surprised learning later that they were flippers. Like he also, when he was puppeteering, are like, oh, they're ears. And then like once he learned Max Rebo's like history, he was like, oh, they're, he even mentioned these are actually flippers, not ears. Yes, they are flippers. He also played other characters in Return of the Jedi, but I won't go into that because we're talking about Max Rebo. This is, this is, this is his episode. So I could talk about the other ones too. Like, could you imagine being the person who did, I mean, with Simon Tippett, he designed the Rancor, Jabba, Max Rebo, like amazing. Or to be the person who originally puppeteered him, or even, I know you're going to get into it, the people who've puppeteered him since then. Amazing. Cool. Yeah. So Max Rebo made a comeback. So we're just going to talk about the second puppeteer who worked on Max Rebo. So he was seen in episode one, two, four, and six of Book of Boba Fett. Like my notes say Boba Fett. I know your notes say Boba Fett. You know what's really funny is that I could totally see that being the name of the character in Star Wars. Like instead of Boba Fett, his name is Boba Fett. That makes sense. Oh my god. The proper name is Max Rebo. Like, of course his name could be Boba Fett. Boba Fett. Oh my god, yeah. Google Docs does not like Star Wars spelling. So the puppeteer for Max Rebo in episodes one, two, four, and six of Book of Boba Fett is Tamara Carlson Woodard. Tamara is known for her special effects work in many Marvel movies, such as Iron Man, Avenger Affinity Wars, Avenger Endgame. She also did some Alien vs. Predator. She works mostly in fabrications for these movies and also in movies like Where the Wild Things Are, Tron Legacy, the 1998 Godzilla movie, which is literally one of my favorite movies. I have such a distinct memory of, I forgot how old I was, but I should because it's 1998. So like I was seven years old. My brother took me to the movie theater. My babysitter worked at the movie theater, so she got us in for free. And I remember drinking like a really large soda with like Godzilla on it. I'm not into Godzilla. I feel like a lot of you guys are into Godzilla. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, Godzilla is like kind of a guilty pleasure. It's literally just for Godzilla, though. I really don't enjoy when it's just not when we don't see Godzilla. I'm always just like, get the Godzilla. This is what I'm here for. I saw there's a new Funko Pop where the Godzilla has like pink, like pink scales. And I was like, this is the closest I've been to. I should, I feel like I should. It should be right up my alley. Maybe I just haven't given Godzilla a chance. You know, I feel like I feel like I'm missing out on something. I feel like I could really like Godzilla. He's pretty gay. The 1998 Godzilla movie also had an amazing soundtrack. There's so much to love about the 1998 Godzilla movie. I love that. Just a shout out to Tamara. She is very nice. I tried to connect with her while I was at Star Wars Celebration, and we kept missing each other. But I did meet her brother, and she's just really nice. And she also puppeteered the Loaf Cats from the 5th Anniversary movie. So she's amazing. And I have a huge friend crush on her. I hope she's not in the movie. I just said I have a friend crush. She has such a crazy skill set. She kind of seems like a do-it-all, any kind of last minute thing. I'm like, oh, can you just come do this kind of thing? I did notice that the, I mean, we can get into it later maybe, but the puppet from Book of Boba Fett for Max Rebo, he looks very different. He has a thinner snout. He does have a different look to him. Yeah, I was always interested in why, I mean, obviously we don't have answers as to why they changed the way that he looks. I like to think, like my head canon is, he got a little bit of plastic surgery. Blended his trunk down a bit. He's like, I don't like how big my nose is. I do. Anyways, it was just kind of interesting that they changed the overall look of him. Yeah, I'm sure it was just trying to make it easier probably to puppet too. Yeah, I don't know. I have no idea. I was just always curious. It was kind of a lot wider and then his skin looked even a little bit different. And then the arms look different too, or the feet. But in the Book of Boba Fett, it looks even more like arms in my opinion. So, I don't know. Interesting. Really interesting. I know. I wish I could find more stuff about that, but I could not. Should we get into obscure Max Rebo stuff, like voices? Or do you want to get into your- Oh my gosh, the voices. We can talk about the voices. Yeah, Max Rebo- Can you put a clip of that in the podcast? I'm putting a clip of the jizziest voice of all time. So, I was playing the Lego game and a lot of people also sent it to me. Because obviously, you can find me on social media. I'm at Stacks Rebo. My account is basically a Max Rebo stan account. So, as you can imagine, people send me a lot of stuff. And I got so many messages from people like, oh, have you played the Lego game? And at that point, I hadn't. And I did play it. And I was like, oh my gosh. I was so shocked by those voices. I don't know what I expected. I truly don't know what I expected. Like, he's supposed to be like a jizz musician, right? So, I was like, oh, I don't know what I expected. But it wasn't that. I expected more of like, just elephant noises. Like, just little squeaks. So, I don't know what I expected. I don't know if I expected him to sound more like a kid or something. Or like a cartoony, you know, kind of cutesy kind of thing. But I wish they gave us. Let's play. Let's play a clip. Oh yeah, we'll do a little clip right here. Not a fan of a Rebo. Get out of here. Whoa, something about this just sounds right. So, that low sensual voice. I mean, I love it. It's like, it's both weird and amazing. Like, I don't know. Which is like, that describes Max Rebo in a nutshell. Weird and amazing. I'm into it. So, the voice in the Megos. Oh my god. The Megos? The Megos. Lego Star Wars The Skywalker Saga, Max Rebo's voice is by Stephen Hartley. So, he is a British TV, film, and radio actor with 68 credits to his name. I personally didn't recognize any of those credits, which is why I'm not saying any of them. Sorry, Stephen. We don't have to say who he is. We don't have to say anything. But, I mean, which Lego game is it? I forgot to say. It's just the Skywar- Skywar- Jesus fucking Christ. The Skywalker Saga, because I've played- I think I had all of the Lego games, like, separately of the Star Wars, and then they made this Mega one, and he was not in. So, clearly when they were like, let's bring it all together, you know what would make it better? Max Rebo's voice. Max Rebo, yeah. I think that you should definitely- everyone should definitely play it, and it'll make you laugh, but if you don't want to play it, just literally Google it, go on YouTube, and you can listen to all of it. It's so funny. All his voice, yeah, because I'm only going to play, like, one clip. Only play one clip, but I, you know, I have on many occasions listened to the whole dang thing. But Stephen's also done video game acting before, voice acting. So, he's been around that. The few games I recognize were Final Fantasy, and The Witcher, and World of Warcraft. So, he's done some voices there. And then last little kind of TV-ness of Max Rebo, he was in the Lego Star Wars Holiday Special. Yes, he was. And our sweet Stephen didn't voice him then. It was done by the one, the only, Dee Bradley Baker. You blew my mind when you told me that. It blew my mind. I need to find a clip, though, of if he says anything in that. I don't remember that. But, I mean, obviously, I was so thrilled to see Max Rebo. I'm always thrilled, but I did not say anything. I'm sure maybe it was just like a, like, noise, like, of him. And they were like, hey, Dee Bradley Baker, you're a jack of all trades. Like, come over here and make some weird noises. He was like, right. You can stand up over there, Max. I'm thrilled. I mean, I guess I should go back and actually look at that. Because when you told me that, I was mind blown. Absolutely mind blown. And now I want to go meet him, because I wanted to meet him for a while. But now I'm going to bring a Lego Max Rebo and be like, oh, remember those weird sounds he made? Like, that changed my life. Can you, uh, please sign this tiny, tiny action figure? He's like, you don't want me to sign anything for Clone Wars or something? No, no. I love your work. Please, please approach him being like, hi, I love your work in Lego Star Wars Holiday Special. I am definitely going to do that. I'm used to being weird. So let's do it. Well, yeah, that was all. That's all I got on my way. Now for the background of Max Rebo. Um, so Max is an Ortolan, which funny enough, is also the name of a bird. For those, for those birders out there. Avaculturists. Shout out the word. So he's an Ortolan from the planet Orto, which is a small, super cold planet on the outer rim. And Ortolans are actually covered in like a short velvety fur, which I was thrilled. I was thrilled to hear this. I had no idea. I had no idea. I just thought they were. Yeah, he doesn't look velvety, but it's like so short that you can't really tell what I'm going to go for. Right. But then they sometimes dye them bright colors like pink. Oh, fudge. Which, you know how I feel about pink. Pink Rebo. Yes. I am obsessed with that. Where's that? Like, where is that? Shout out to Phil Shostak. He wrote the, from a certain point of view, Return of the Jedi, Max Rebo story called Fancy Man. Highly, highly recommend because they live on a cold planet. They have a thick layer of blubber underneath their skin to protect them from the temperatures. They are born fully formed with their teeth and their musculature, which sounds really gross. So when, that phrase confuses me. Like, so there's no like growth. I don't know. That's what I want to know. I have no idea. I have a lot of questions. Yeah. Is it a vaginal birth? Are they like giant eggs? I mean, I guess it's supposed to be vaginal. This is where your animal, she works with animals. So this is important. She wants to know what kind of birth they have. My mind is so confused. You know what? I, you know, I just accepted it. I just said, I don't want to know. They're just, those poor order females, you know. Or maybe the males do it. We don't know. That's what I think. We don't know. Get on it, Star Wars. Yeah, get on it. We need to know. Details. I want to know everything. And apparently by age seven, they're expected to support themselves unless they have some sort of like crazy talent. The two areas in which Orlins excel in, they can be like really good chefs or really good music. How are they good chefs? They don't have hands. They're obsessed with food. Yes, they do. They have, they can use their feet. They don't need hands. Oh, that's even grosser. Listen, as we learned in Phil Sjosak's Fancy Man, his feet are very well moisturized. That's true. Sorry, I'm sorry. So, canon, so this canon, they only have feet, right? Their ears are flippers and they don't have hands. So, every time you see a four limbed Max Rebo, it is incorrect. Have opinions about that. Because I guess Kenner decided, you know, he has feet and legs and he fits in his red ball organ. But that is not the case. He sits on top of a little pillow and plays with his feet. Get it right, Kenner. How dare you? Yeah, I mean, I have lots of conversations about how I feel about the various looks of Max Rebo. I'm not a huge fan of what I like to call diaper Max Rebo, where they put it. I digress. I'll talk about that later. They're very into food, which I, you know, I also am very into food. They can sense food up to two kilometers away. What? Excuse me? Yes. I mean, I'm glad I don't sense food two kilometers away, because that would be difficult to say no to that. They also, like, have these, like, suction cups, for lack of a better word, fingers on their little feet, toes, you know, and they absorb food. No. So, wait, does he even have a mouth then? I, yeah, I think he has a mouth, but I also think he has sorcerer's hands, but I don't know. I should have looked that up, but I like that I don't know. I like to keep some mystery alive in the relationship. I feel like he has a mouth, but maybe that's just me wanting him to have a mouth. Somebody tell us if he has a mouth. Someone draw him with a mouth. Someone draw him with a mouth. I mean, I kind of do sometimes, but, I mean, only when it's, like, a style. Like, I'm doing, like, a certain style, but whatever. Okay, so Maximillian Rebo is his full name, which we learned in Certain Point of View Fancy Man. He has a father named Jeff, and his mother is unknown, which is really sad, because she pushed a fully formed Max Rebo. Yeah, maybe vagina. Maybe egg. We don't know. It's a big ass egg. I don't know. What do you even call it? Whatever. I like to think she has a really crazy name, because dad's name is Jeff. I think she has a crazy name, and then he has a brother named Azul. Azul Fantel, and actually there's a whole comic book, The Star Wars Adventures, that talks about Azul, and I really love it. Obviously has an affinity for music. He was given his red ball organ by his dad, and he is, as many orderlands are, he's highly by food. And is he just paid with food? Yeah, so we learned in From a Certain Point of View. Yeah, I feel really bad. We learned in a Certain Point of View, Size Noodles Point of View, a chapter called Satisfaction by Kristen Baver. Actually, Max Rebo doesn't accept payment from Jamba. It's just food. Sorry, everybody. We're just eating a lot. He's highly motivated by food and questionable business decisions. So I don't, you know, please read these chapters, because they're hilarious, but I don't blame Size Noodles for being a little bit snarky about the arrangements that we made. All I can picture, for some reason, when I think about Max Rebo and food, is eating the Run Fair chicken or turkey legs, and getting his little suction cups all oily, and then going to play his red bucket organ. His dog, right? Like, he has food packages everywhere. Oh, Max. I just do it for the food. Exactly. And he would sound like that, too. Okay, so we first meet Max Rebo, obviously, at Jabba's Palace in Return of the Jedi. He's performing jizz music with his sweet jizz bandmates, Size Noodles and Droopy McPool. Should we get into jizz? Jizz, of course. I feel like it's really important, because if we talk about these characters, that's what they play. They play jizz. I think we should just get into the jizz now. We're going to get into the jizz. Okay, so the history... So I tried to figure out what the etymology of the jizz was, because I wanted to know if George Lucas knew what he was doing when he called it jizz. Or who I assume... I assume it's George Lucas. I don't know that there's actually, like, evidence that he's... A quote. If somebody has that information, I would know. Apparently, it's the shortening of the word jism, which in the 1800s meant energy. And so it was also in the 1920s, the first time it was... They have, like, recorded and actually written down was for birding. So basically, it was used to describe the immediate recognition of a bird from a brief glimpse. So I don't know. Just a jizz? Yeah, just a jizz. Just a tiny jizz. Yeah. I just saw a jizz of that cardinal. Just a jizz of the bluebird. I have no idea. Jizz of the sparrow. I'm going to keep naming birds and saying jizz. Because I'm 12. I get it. I have no idea. So then, but the earliest known attribution to jizz and semen is in the 1970s. So it seems like whoever coined that phrase knew exactly what... I don't think they were big birders. Yeah, they weren't birders. They were definitely like, this will be funny. Well, I know. I guess, like, well, they probably didn't know what the species they were going to call them back then. Because I was like, his name is a bird name. Yeah, right? So maybe that's so inappropriate. I don't believe it. Obviously, the musicians who are known, who played jizz music are known as jizz wailers, which is my favorite term. Jizz is named after, apparently named after the instrument played by Dan and the Modal Nodes, which is like the long reeded instrument. Oh, I couldn't find this. What I saw on several websites, but I couldn't find where that information came from. I don't remember those instruments being called that. But you know what? I'm just going to throw that out there. I gotta leave it. If I ever meet John Williams, I'm going to say being a jizz pioneer, because he created jizz. So here's the interesting part. The term, like, jizz music first appeared in the kid novelization of Return of the Jedi. Why? People were just like, whatever. They gotta learn it sometime. So recently, there's been some controversy because in the short story collection, from a certain point of view, Return of the Jedi, and it's called Fancy Man by Phil Shostak, Max mentions, quote, one of any number of JATZ, J-A-T-Z standards he knew by heart. And then he also says, and that it was also known by other names, some that were less palatable. I do like JATZ, though. That does sound... I do. And it sounds very Star Wars-y, you know? Yeah, compared to jizz. Like, jizz takes me out of the world of Star Wars. I know. And I'm not going to lie. Like, there were a lot of people who were up in arms about the fact that they were trying to change it from jizz to JATZ. And, like, I understand why they do that. Like, it is kind of a weird name. I see those stories. Yeah, you know, like, for example, I had... Um, this is a side story. I had Jizz Whaler on my backpack in Arbesh. And this woman, when we were at Celebrate, tapped me and said, Oh, my son is trying to decipher your backpack. And I was like, Oh, no, don't do that. Oh, no. And then I had to be like... And it said, like, I love jizz. And she was like, Well, what does it say? And I was like, Oh, you know, you know, the name of the music, you know? And she just looked at me and I was like, Jizz? Does your son know about jizz? So, I mean, listen, I understand why they're trying. So, apparently, it's known as jizz music, but also now known as JATZ. And I have mixed feelings about that. For me, personally, I will always love jizz. Jizz music for life. Yeah, because JATZ Whaler isn't as fun as Jizz Whaler. They sound the same. I get it. I get why they're doing it. But, you know, whatever. Jizz forever. So, obviously, he plays on the Red Ball JET organ. At some point during his tenure at Jabba's Palace, Azul Fanto caused some trouble in Mos Eisley. And people actually mistook Azul for Max because they look the same. And when everything was sorted out, Jabba made Azul work on the katana before it blew up. So, I don't know. I'm very curious because I have no idea what happened. Obviously, Max Rebo worked as a musician in Jabba's Palace. And we could see him in Jabba's Palace. We also see he hides with Jabba when the curtain opens and when Leia is rescuing Han. And everybody's laughing. Like, you can see Max laughing. And he's like, oh, this is so cute. Oh, I know he's like being bad, but whatever. Later, we see Max Rebo playing on Jabba's Sail Barge, the katana. And obviously, they're going to the Great Pit of Karkoon, where Solo is supposed to be executed. And as we all know, the katana blows up. But somehow, Max Rebo survives because he's the Duke of Boba Fett. There is some information in Phil Shostak's Fancy Man talking about how he survived. I appreciated learning that information. But my headcanon is, shout out to Becca. She's at Chewbacca Creates. She has the most amazing headcanon that Max Rebo was on his smoke break. Each time, things blow up. And she put it on a t-shirt. It's one of my favorite t-shirts. And I honestly think it's the funniest thing ever. The idea that he's like, oh, I'm gonna take a break. I'll be like five minutes, and everything blows up. So that's my headcanon, even though now we have a real canon. But whatever. Fast forward to 9 ABY. In the Book of Boba Fett, Max is working at Garza's Sanctuary, which is the cantina operated by Garza's whip. And he obviously has a new updated Red Ball Jet organ. As with everything that happens with Max, the sanctuary blows up. And everybody wants to know if Max survived that. Of course he did. I don't care what anyone says. I don't care if somebody comes out and says, no, he didn't. I don't believe you. He, of course, survived. Such blubber. Yeah, as I said before, a headcanon, it definitely was on a smoke break. Right before it happened, he was like, you know what? This little ordolan sense that he has that has kept him alive. He said, I gotta take a smoke break. So, do you, again, back to like, does he have a mouth? I feel like, does he just put the cigarette on his, like, or just on his, like, or does he just have, like, tobacco? He just, like, dips his fingers and his little suctions become like a pipe? Like, does it kind of, like, chew or whatever? Okay. So, I know. So, obviously, just to go back a little bit, when we were talking earlier about the Marquette, original concepts, this is very important to me. I just have to mention this. Original designs gave Max Rebo a butt crack. You all knew this was going to come up. I'm very, it's very important. It is. Rebooty. Hashtag Rebooty. Thank you. Sweet, sweet ass. So, so, originally, he had a butt crack. And so, I was really curious to know if he had a butt crack in any of the others. So, did he have one in Return of the Jedi? Did he have one in Book of Boba Fett? I don't know. And so, we'll do, because Stephanie, me, I went to the Mandalorian Experience, which had, I did some investigative work, because it's hard-hitting, investigation, journalism, whatever, sure. Thank you, you're welcome. I went to Star Wars Celebration, went to the Mandalorian Experience. They had some set pieces from the Book of Boba Fett, and they also had Max Rebo and his new Red Ball organ. So, like, I got to figure this out, I got to figure this out. So, they actually had him in the center, so you could go behind him. And I looked, peeked through this little hole, and he does not have a butt crack. And I think that that's a travesty, because obviously, things change, you know, from the time that you had, like, one job. Obviously, he looks way different to what he is now. And I had to do, I had to do that work. So, you've heard it here. He does not have a butt crack. I mean, it looks like a, it looks like a flabby butt with no butt crack. We'll post a picture on our Instagram. That rise of glup-ja-dope. So, that flabby ass. I'm looking, I haven't seen his puppet on the Book of Boba since the Book of Boba came out, and I'm looking at it now. And I can see what I think they tried to do. The reason why he looks so weird is because I think they made the head fit better for the puppeteer. You know, that's probably what I mean. So, you're saying it's not Maxwell using plastic surgery? I mean, he definitely had plastic surgery. But if we were going to step aside out of the magic, into more logical sense. I do like his fingers. His fingers look nice. I love those fingers. They're so, he, he's so derpy looking. Like, that's the only word I can use to describe it. Like, he's so derpy. And I don't know what that word means. Oh, no. Just what I mean. Keep derpy hands. You can take that off. Got a derp derp all over here. But, yeah, he's just so weird looking. And, you know, they put him in all these, all these looks. I don't even know, where does a diaper come from? Diaper look, which I absolutely hate. So, sometimes, it came from Kenner. So, Kenner made this, they tried, they were making figures of all different Star Wars characters for Return of the Jedi. And they were like, oh, well, of course, he's sitting behind his jetball organ. They thought he was inside it, not sitting on top of it. And so, they're like, of course, he has hands and feet. And then, so, they gave him hands and feet. And then, they were like, oh, we need to put clothes on him. Let him be naked. I do, there's like, I have a pin, bug ball flare that I really love. That is him in his diaper form. And because it's so cute, I accept it. Only as that pin. I know, like, the other pins I have are all him without four limbs. But every, you know, because that's how I accept him. He has to have only two limbs, right? Two limbs, no diaper. Yeah, six now. Six now, his pre-famous days when he started, you know. I don't like his flippers in Boca Boba, I'm realizing. Like, they're just, they look floppy. Yeah, maybe he's just lost a lot of weight. I mean, who knows what kind of damage flying off that barge did, you know. True. He probably did a lot of plastic surgery, you're right. He must have had some reconstruction surgery. All right, I'm so sorry. Well, thanks for joining us for our first episode of Rise of the Glub Shado. We hope you enjoyed it. And it wasn't too chaotic. Our minds kind of made sense. We're just learning. We're learning. This is the first one. We're all just learning. And yeah, I think we're gonna, for the next few episodes, we're going to focus on Sweet Max's band. And I think we should maybe dive into the sni- sni of it all. Sni, I don't know, I want to call her Snice Noodles. Well, it makes sense. It's very snide. Um, no, yeah, my one of my other favorite characters is Snice Noodles. So I'm very much looking forward to this. This is all basically catered to my great love. I'm just here for the fan service for you. No, later on, we just had to start with Max. It just had to be. No, it had to be Max. Max has a rich history that needed to be told. So yeah, in the next episode, we'll do a little deep dive on our sweet, sweet Si. You can find us on Instagram at riseofthegloveshidoe. Let us know if you have any questions. Positive feedback is always welcome. Please be kind. Please be kind. We're delicate. Yeah, so yeah, give us a like and a follow on whatever platform you use that you use to find us. 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