CONCERNING THE SPIRITUAL {An interactive Sunday }

The speaker starts by praising God and welcoming the audience. They mention that the church is live on social media and greet followers from India and Arizona. The speaker then talks about the importance of spiritual gifts and urges the audience to ask any questions they have. They emphasize the need to be knowledgeable about spiritual matters and not be ignorant. The speaker also addresses the belief that poverty is the way to please God, saying that it is not true. They warn against being ignorant of spiritual matters and urge the audience to ask their questions. The speaker then asks if a believer can be possessed by a demon and discusses the nature of God and demons. They also mention that God is not a spirit. Glory to God. Put your hands together for Jesus. Glory to God. Hallelujah. I don't know what church will actually be like if you have not actually prayed like this. Glory to God. Especially when it's only once in a while that uh it's only once in a while you come up uh there you come up like this to that. Glory to God. Amen. Are we together this morning? Good morning church. Hallelujah. I hope you have been blessed already. Glory to God. Um glad to announce to you that uh we are live on majority of all social media. We are live in all those channels uh everywhere. So we are live and uh so the people from India so our audience from India we say good morning to you from Nigeria. Say good morning to our followers from Arizona. Good morning to you. The Lord bless you. Shine his good face upon you in Jesus mighty name. Amen. Okay. You go back to go back to that place now. So let's uh let's let uh Mr Koya do the other side. So. Glory to God. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Glory to God. We bless every one of them from far and near that have been part of this meeting in the time pass. Again this morning is actually after reverend Sunday which you are expected to be part of this uh glory to God. You know one of the beauty thing about the believers fellowship is that uh everybody must participate. Glory to God. Amen. So what are the questions that you have been having? The questions in your heart that you have been having all this while concerning the things of the spirit concerning the spiritual. Things that are not clear to you. You have opportunity to ask today. Glory to God. Are you in church? I so write your questions now. Write your questions. Write your questions. Hallelujah. Okay. I let us start from asking you question. Glory to God. Uh huh. So according to what I've taught you in the time what are the what what are the uh the gifts of the spirit that we have? What are the gifts of the spirit we have? Is there what? Where did that where is that one coming from? First Corinthians chapter twelve verse one. Eh? You remember? Glory to God. Spiritual gift. Eh? First Corinthians chapter twelve verse one. Okay. We we love uh building up yourself in your most holy faith. Praying in the Holy Ghost. So first Corinthians chapter twelve verse one. First Corinthians twelve one. You know I'm not used to all this kind of sitting down. I'm trying to myself to this. I'm not sure if we are going to continue like. Glory to God. Chapter twenty verse one. Please shift it here. If I need to sit down, I will do that. Glory to God. Amen. Just put put put this on that paper. Glory to God. Okay. I would not have you. Okay leave this. Okay she just shifted a bit. Shifted a bit so that I can move. You know I'm a moving person. So it's not common to me. So how do you sit in that? You know just to compose to rearrange something else. Glory to God. Concerning spiritual gift. Now hello since it's an international it's a relative Sunday. What happened to that gift today? It's a concerning spiritual gift. In another place it's actually italicized. What does what actually implies? Eh? It's a writer's word. Opinion. So in original manuscripts that gift is not there. But he just want to he just put his opinion so that eh not for providing bad intention you know. But actually for good image for good comprehension. So that we can comprehend it better. But when we are now doing when the light is more. Are you getting now? When we now more eh encounter more light concerning the interpretation of the scripture. Are you getting it now? So we are now realizing that some things they don't need that he put. It's not actually supposed to be there. Not that it's not supposed to be there. It's not supposed to be there. Because if we study further we realize that eh gift is actually play out in this very chapter. But in that same place it's not supposed to be put there at all. Did you understand that? Now concerning spiritual. Generally spiritual. Did you understand now? General spiritual now this time around. It's not it's not talking about gift yet. There's another time in the same place we will get to gifts. But now it's time to come under concerning spiritual. Brethren. Who are the brethren? Brothers. Believers. I will not have you ignorant. And this letter was written to whom? To the Corinthian church. To a church. So it means that eh if God was showing if this thing was so important to God that come. Other eh the whole UDS church. Don't be ignorant oh. There are times in your life whereby there are times where even as a church that the the principality the devils will stand and be going to war against church. So don't be ignorance of spiritual. Don't think because I am in saint and I have dominion with Christ. Don't think that oh we just be like that. No there would be any contention. There will be huge contention oh. So when it is and then is that which contention we come from where? We come from the spiritual realm. So don't be ignorant when it comes to spiritual. Are you getting it now? I have do you have dominion with Christ? Do you have do you have a a victory in Jesus? Do you have life of Jesus with you? But I'm glad to let you know this morning again that devil is not happy with that. And devil is doing all his best to contend with that. In fact he's playing everything out to make sure that you are not actually enjoying that what you say you have in him. So concerning spiritual don't be ignorant. I don't want you to be ignorant. What play out in the spiritual realm? I don't want you to be ignorant about that. But I actually want you to be familiar and then align yourself with your reality. So that you can suppress. So that you can dominate. You can exercise on your authority all the time. And until you are not ignorant the moment you are you remain novice concerning spiritual I tell you you can die before your time. You can die before your time. You may remain in penury. If you are ignorant concerning spiritual. If you are ignorant are you getting it? Even that you you go to church I tell you and the devil will be telling you and then he will package it to you that in fact let me tell you one of the way that devil package it for you. He will tell you that the best way to serve God is to be poor. He will package it for you in a serious manner He will tell you the best way you can live your life to please God is to have only two shades and one tie and one baggy trouser and be tucking in and then be looking like a that looking moron every time. That you are pleasing God. You are pleasing God like that because you know that property will end up killing you and the devil comes to kill to steal and to do what? He is poor. But I have come to do what? To give you life. What happen? So if you are ignorant of the spiritual. If you are ignorant of the spiritual I tell you today. I'm telling you today as a father. I'm telling you today as your pastor. I'm telling you today as a brother. If you are ignorant concerning the spiritual your life will be a miserable one. Your life will remain a miserable one. In fact you can argue all your lifetime over blessings. You forget thousands healed. Can you look for the thousands healed belong to the Lord your God. But you will be arguing all your lifetime that prosperity is not meant for the church to be preaching. We are not preaching it. We are calling your attention to that is who you are. Glory to Jesus. Please brethren don't be ignorance of ritual. I hope the audio is being recorded now. Are we recording the audio? Okay glory to God. Now concerning to ritual. Brethren I would not have you ignorant. I would not have you ignorant. One of the major kill in this very place is that. Is that word ignorant? Glory to God. Pastor please give me my napkin in Jehovah's. Thank you faithful God. Say I would not be ignorant of the spiritual. Say I would not be ignorant of the spiritual. So now you have write your questions down. Now let me ask you. Let me put this one to you. Are your questions ready? Anybody with these questions ready? Why waiting for your questions to come? Praise the Lord. Why waiting for your questions to come? Let me ask you again. Can a believer born again, tongue speaking believer be possessed of the devil or of the demon? A tongue speaking believer, Christian, can he be possessed? Okay let me ask you this question. Can a man be possessed? Can a man be possessed? Let me see your hand if you agree with that. Can a man be possessed? Are you sure? Oh sorry I forgot to do this. I promised to do this before any other thing. Sorry. Glory to God. Please everybody stand up one minute. Glory to God. Help me to sing happy birthday song for one of my son here. Glory to God. Oh yeah come up here. Come up here. Come up here. Come up here. Oh yeah one two three go. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. We wish you all the best in life. We declare the goodness of the Lord abound in you. You multiply in the goodness of God. You abound in the son as in all your lifetime. No misfortune in your path. No failure in your path. In the mighty name of Jesus. Be blessed of the Lord in Jesus mighty name. Congratulations. Hallelujah. Amen. Put your hands together. Let's have our seats. Let's continue. Glory to God. Can a man be possessed? Can a man be possessed? Okay. Another question I want to ask you. Okay. Is God, is God's spirit huh? Is the devil, is the devil's spirit? Is God's spirit? Is the devil's spirit? Can man be, can man be possessed? I'm asking you question again. Can man be possessed? Is God's spirit? Is man's, is okay. Is devil's spirit true? Is demon spirit? Okay. Is angel spirit? You are saying yes, are you? Fine. Glory to God. Pastor come. You are, eh? God is not, eh? God is not spirit. You see now. Hallelujah. Eh? Ababa. You are free now. Somebody is saying God is not spirit. Is it? God is not spirit. All right. God bless you. Oh yeah. Use the mic. Explain. No, no, no, no, no. Just, just use the mic because. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. I have a question actually. Eh? Answer the one, the, you know I asked the question now. Your question has been answered. Oh yeah, ask the question. Okay. Ask the question. Praise God. According to the scripture. Amen. According to the scripture, by whom made us to understand that God created angels. He created man. And angels are spirits. And spiritual realm is a realm that is real. And Jesus said that no eye have seen God. No man has seen God. And men operate in the realm of the spirit. Even angels don't see God. So if God is a spirit, angels are spirits. And why is it that people who, who see spiritual things haven't seen God. And angels haven't seen God. That is it. So I would say, so that is my confusion. Yes. We only see God when he manifested as Jesus Christ. There were 10 men who see God and they behold him. But none, no one has seen God in his glory. Yes. Okay. Glory to God. Does anybody have anything to say? Okay. Okay. Fine. Fine. Fine. Okay. Okay. Okay. Hallelujah. Okay. We must not exceed our time. For the fact that he created, that God created, for the fact that he created. He created. Okay. Now what creates something must have been created by something. Okay. So what created, what creating? Or what is creating? Okay. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Somebody, you have, somebody have something to say to that? Before I give the, I give the word there. Huh? Do you have anything to say? Church? Pastor, you want to say something? Huh? You want to say something? Okay. Glory to God. The first question I ask you is that, is God a spirit? Everybody say yes, God is spirit. You say God is, you say no, God is not spirit. Okay. Fine. Now your justification is all about that, that if God actually is a spirit, are you getting now? And then the others, which angels are, angels are spirit, devil is spirit, demons are spirit, all things are, other things are spirit. So why haven't, what that question means that, in that spirit realm, why haven't they seen each other? Because God too is a spirit. If we say God is a spirit, why haven't they seen each other in that realm? In fact, inasmuch, listen to this and pay attention to this, inasmuch we say there is no distance in the spirit. Have you? Have you? There is no distance in the spirit. If in the spirit realm, if you want to see, are you following now? Today's time more like apologetic Sunday. So if you want to see anything, you just walk up to that thing and see it. Have you? But let me tell you this, in the plain truth, there is no, there is nothing like God is not a spirit. God is a spirit. And neither serving or serving what? The truth. So now, God is a spirit. That's number one. That's number one. God is a spirit. Number two, concerning the, concerning the realm that you are talking about, are you getting it now? We come back to the question in addition to that question that Pastor Wale wrote about. So, you see, this is what it's all about. You see, in the spiritual realm, in the spiritual, what happens is that there are authorities, there are realms. Are you getting it now? There are creators, there are creations. Are you getting it now? There are creators and there are creations. Somebody established all those spiritual realms. The realm that God dwells in is the spiritual realm. Are you getting it now? So now, is President Buhari, I just want to bring it a layman understanding. I don't want to, I don't want it to be so much complicated so that you're not able to understand. Is President Buhari a human being? Eh? Is he really you? We have a president in this country. Have you seen him? Have you seen him this morning? If you know, if you desire, if you desire that you will not see him in five years, 20 years. Will you see him? Can you see him? Eh? He said, if President Muhammad Buhari desired that, no, it is not possible for you to see me. I don't want anybody to see me in the next 20 years. Is it possible for you to see him? Is President Muhammad Buhari, is he real? Eh? Is he real? So, God is real. God is in the spirit. Are you getting it now? God is a spirit. So, in the birth to death, God operates in the realm. Are you getting half other hierarchies under him? Are you getting him that function under him? Do you understand that now? So, what brought about differentiation in the hierarchy or whatever, demon, angel, are you getting that? So, it wasn't that God and angel was actually having, God and the devil was having a conflict. They didn't have any conflict. They did not have any conflict. What happened to them, what happened between them was, the devil himself was actually hiding the position that the man, that God put man. Are you getting it now? So, beyond the level that God placed him. So, when he started doing that, so he's misbehaving. That's what Jude said. So, Jude, please go back to Jude. So, I think Jude, was it 118 or 1 what? So, it was talking about the, they left their former habitation. That they left their former habitation. Are you there in Jude 1? Okay, it's not, okay. They left their former habitation or something like that. Okay. Jude 1 what? Uh, somebody in Jude 1. Is she forming the, that's the water. Okay, okay. Left their former habitation. Part 6, are you okay? Part 6, thank you. Part 6, please. Jude 1, 6. Okay, and the angel which kept not their first estate. Hello, the angel which kept not their first what? Estate. The estate there was referring to their place of work, to their position, assignment, where the God positioned them. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation. How did they left their former, their own habitation? They left their habitation because of that song. Are you getting it now? So, they either will serve in the everlasting kingdom, under the darkness, or to the judgment of the great state. So, what that actually implied was that, this devil was actually eyeing, are you getting it now? Eyeing position of man. Want to take where man belongs. Want to take position of man. The unity of man was eyeing that. If I can act such a position, this is what I will do. What is he going to do? I will assault myself. I will assault my throne, beyond God's position, beyond God's level. Is that actually playing out today? Yes. Is it playing out today? Yes. How? The devil will enter to their heart and tell them that there is no God. This is God that you should be serving. Give them different, different fashions of religion, different fashions of all these things, are you getting it now? So, that's actually on that. So, the devil was actually an angel, one of the angels, are you getting it now? So, it wasn't having an issue with God, a fighting with God, are you getting it now? It was one of the angel, Michael, I just look at him, I just send him away from that. From where? From where again? Send him away from where? And the angel which kept not their forth word. So, he sent him away from his estate, from his position that he was. So, he sent him away and but left their own habitation. So, he sent him away. He was being reserved in the everlasting chain. So, because he is in that chain, that what make him become, he become demon. So, where did that one play out? That one actually play out in Garden of Eden, in the beginning. When the devil come to man, when that angel came to man, are you getting it now? And then man, are you getting it now? Man received what the angel was offering. So, by doing that, they swapped, there was a transaction that happened between them. So, man give the authority, all the plan, all the authority, everything that God actually make out of man, man give it to that Satan. So, giving it to the Satan at that, to the devil at that time, sorry, to the devil at that time, bringing satanic out of him. God did not create Satan. God created an angel. But because he swapped, he collected the authority from that first man, all the authority that God gave him. So, now what that play out, God has not involved. Now between them, that transaction happened. So, by the reason of that man giving that, are you getting it now? So, that actually brings the satanic out of the angel. And there are some angels that actually play loyalty to him. They are the demons. They are loyal to the devil. They are demons. Are you getting that? And where are they functioning? With all this I am saying, have they graduated away from becoming an angel? Have they graduated from being an angel? They are still an angel. Have they graduated away from being a spirit? They are still what? Where are they operating the game? Where are they still operating? In the spiritual realm. No physical. That is why you cannot find devil on the road going. That is why all those, it is only in the movie or in the mindset mind programming, that somebody will say, if we are caught, if we are caught, I am the devil. Nothing like that. Nothing like that. Somebody will now put on like this, put on like this and say, I am the dragon. Which dragon? Be quiet. Are you getting it now? So, it is actually, all these things actually form in the spiritual. Are you getting it now? So, the man can be influenced. So, now what the spiritual realm happens, man will be influenced. Through that spirit, he will be influenced. That is why you find that pornography sites. That is why you find that movie, a lot of movie sites, so that they can program your heart, program your mind towards that direction. So that they are programming your mind that, gay, being a gay is normal, that if you are not allowing it, you are denying us freedom. It is just, in the spiritual realm, that is actually what is playing now. They just want to exalt the oppression beyond God, which is actually the devil's intention. And what is actually that, to kill you, to bring you to a perfect place of death, where everlasting pain. To bring man to the place of everlasting pain, where he is, where he will end, where his year is up for him. So, if you program your mind, and paraphernalia, if you skip that one at a particular stage of your life, you know the next thing that will happen, maybe you are born again, it will tell you that it is not necessary for you to pray, it is not necessary for you to be deported, it is not necessary for you to give your money, because he knows if you pray, you will conquer his wise. He knows if you pray, you will be exposed, and your mind will be exposed to the word of God, and when your heart is exposed to the word of God, you will see super nothingness of that demon, of that devil himself. Did you understand that now? You will see super nothingness of that devil. Please pay attention to this, because I don't want you to be ignorant of it. If you catch up with this one, in fact, you will pray more, and then your prayer will not only be just to, I just want to conquer, I want to conquer. No! It will not be that I want to conquer. You will be praying because you have conquered. Pay attention to what I say. Paraphernalia, you skip the process or the level of asking the life, of not asking the life of Christ, you skip that level. The gospel is preached to you, and when the gospel is preached to you, you accept the gospel. You accept the death barrier. Don't forget how I started this discussion, that you must not be novice concerning crucifixion and what? Resurrection. That you must have knowledge, your knowledge of crucifixion and resurrection must be superb, so that you can... Are you getting now? When it comes to spiritual, before we are even talking about gifts, do you remember I told you that? So now I am telling you again, the moment you can skip through the level of being born again, the moment you are born again like this, death has lost the battle. But now, you will not give up. You know the next thing I will be doing? The next thing we make sure doing is that now that you have the life of God, you will be in eternity with Jesus. You know what? Pay attention to this please. You will not be in what? Somebody here. You will not be in what? Because you are born of Jesus. You will not be in everlasting chains with the devil. You will not be in everlasting chains. John 3.16, what did he say again? For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him will not what? Will not perish, but have what? Everlasting life, eternal life. So what does that mean? So if the person did not believe in God, what will happen to that person? Everlasting chain. So if you are in the everlasting chain to receive everlasting life, this is what will now play out. He will not give up. You know why he will not give up? Because you know God's mission is to give life and give it more abundance. So now because you are born of God, he knows that what will be your mandate in this life will be your father's mandate. What is your father's mandate? That all men be saved like you. That moment that your father's kingdom may be populated, may be expanded. So he will not look at it. And he also knows that the moment your father's kingdom is being populated, he will alone, him alone will remain in everlasting chain. And then nobody will be there with him. And people will not be there with him. And he desires more men to kill, to steal and to destroy. So now what this world will now play out, it will make sure that after you are now born of him, of the father of our Lord Jesus Christ, it will now make sure that you will see pleasure life as it is not necessary. Devotional life is not necessary. Because you have already have eternal life. In fact it may even softly, softly, the same soft way that it behaved in the first, in the Genesis. Are you getting that? To those first man and tell them that come, they said if you hit this thing, you will die. You will not truly, truly die. So let me, that softy way that will come to you, that when you are born again, he knows that you cannot go to everlasting chain with him again. But what he will now be doing to you, come, maybe you are born again. You now have eternal life. Whatever you do this time around, God will still forgive you. You already have forgiveness of sin with you. And when you are hearing that, I will listen to you. Wow! I have eternal life. I have forgiveness of sin with Jesus all the time. It is not you, God is speaking to you. Have you? But that in, that is actually familiar spirit. That is what? Familiar spirit talking to you. Yes, it sounds more like it is God speaking. Okay now, if God were to talk to you, how will God start? Oh my beloved, my children, my son that I have, through restoration, God will speak to my victory in life, my thoughts, my capacity, my ability on earth. That is what God will call you. And you, God is calling you that because that is who you are to him. So when the devil wants to come to you softly, I am exposing the words of the enemy to you this morning. Softly. I don't want you to be grateful to the preacher. He will come to you softly and tell you. He will not come to you and say that way, go and fornicate. Go and sin. He will never tell you that because you know by the time he comes to you like that, there is no root for sinning in you. There is no root for sinning in you any longer. He will never come to you and say, go and steal. Go and kill. Go and lie. He will never come to you that way. The only way he will come to you is that way. He will walk up to you and tell you, the redeemed of the law, the saved one, the eternal one. The same way he came to Jesus. He said, you are the son of God. So I am exposing his words to you this morning so that you will not be ignorant of spiritual. He said, soft. The Bible says, hello, look up everybody. Did you know that what happened in that place was not physical like this. It was in the spiritual. You know that? It was in the spirit. It was not physical maybe like Jesus stand like this and the devil stand like this and they are not arguing. No, it is actually in the spirit. It was not physical and he conquered that in that way. So he came to Jesus in that manner and softly and said, the Bible says, the word of the Lord says, the scripture said, he will lift you in his hand like this so that you will not, if you fly, you will not dash your leg against the stone. And if Jesus has not familiarized himself with the scripture before or with the word of his father before, I am coming, he will have fought for that. Did you understand now? But likewise, today, pay attention to this, today the same thing is playing out today. The devil will never come to you and say, go and sin. No, he will come to you softly. The guy is nice though. That boy, that guy is nice. That guy is fine. The Bible says, man shall not, it said, solitary in family or clinical like that. If you use another scripture, it says, it is the will of the Lord that you must multiply. So go for the guy or go for the lady or he is coming to visit you like that, like that. He will say it in a manner that it will actually to confuse your heart concerning that. Did you understand now? So that you will agree or you will complain with him at that time. And what is the aim? The aim is to kill, to steal and to destroy. That is what is behind it. So he will tell you to sin. Are you getting that? He will justify why you should go by sinning. God will make us solitary. Shall we continue sin that the grace may abound? How shall we? Is that God forbid? How shall we? It is not in our nature to sin. We do not have that capacity again to be sinning. So no matter how compelling that seems or that sounds, glory to God. Hallelujah. So let me quickly put clarity to this very question. Did you learn anything now? Did you learn anything now? Okay. Let me put clarity to this one. God, are you getting it now? God is creator of everything. Are you getting it now? So he doesn't have beginning, he doesn't have ending. One of the reasons for us to think like the creator must be created. Are you getting it? It is because of the, let me put it this way, the position we are as a man. We think everything must have beginning. But God does not have beginning and does not have ending. That's why it's called eternal. Eternity. So he has no beginning, he has no end. So the beginning of God is God. He comes to existence because he is God. He comes to existence because, are you getting it now? He comes to existence because he lives alone on his glory and his desire. You see, all these existence are talking about, okay, does God have a form? I was asking you guys before, do you have a question? All of you have said. So now, but we must close in time. I know you have a question. So wait. Pastor Wale has a question. Let me quickly answer, let me quickly say this one. I'm coming. Uh-huh. Okay. Pastor Wale has something to say, but let me quickly put this one through. Listen and listen and pay attention to this one. You see, there is this part when you talk about the God having, who created God. Are you getting now? God created himself. So let it be like that. God created himself from himself and for himself, to himself. So he existed, he lived on his own. He doesn't have age. The age only play out in this disposition. Are you getting now? It is we that, because we are in this body, in this flesh, are we together here? It's because we are in this flesh, we can think of creation. Are you getting it now? So as far as it's concerned, if we just call things to be and we be, are you getting it now? So if you call things to be and they are, are you getting, are you following what I'm saying now? So my point there is this. The point there is this. He was not created by any. He created, he is self-existing on himself, alone. Self-existing alone and he decided to have man. He decided to have man to share his splendor with. Permit me to use that less, that word is more like, are you following now? That word is splendor. He was just on his own splendor from aeons of years, aeons of years, millions and millions and millions of years. So he just decided, let me just, let me just create man. Are you getting it now? So all whatever you are saying today, the earth that you think began from the beginning, it was because he wanted to create man. That is why he created the earth. It's because he wanted to create man, that is why he created the sun and the moon. Are you getting it now? The sun and the moon, the breeze, the heat, whatever you are talking about, are you getting it? It comes to existence because he wanted to create man and he created everything for man. So for man. So everything was created for man, for man, for man, for man. Because, so who is in, what is in his heart to do? He wanted to create man. Are you getting it now? That would be one within. That would be, eh? He wanted to create man like him. Are you getting it now? So that's what he wanted to do. So it is not that maybe all other things were existing and then because of that he let that create man for that. No. He created every other thing because man is already existing in his heart. So he now created man that will enjoy it. But man has already been before. Did you understand what I'm saying now? So the air, the earth, the whatever, anything, everything was existing. Everything was created for man. You wanted to say something? You wanted to say something? Okay, sorry. You wanted to say something? Okay. Okay, oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Glory to God. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Thank you for this opportunity, Pastor. You see, there is this experience I have where I travel to. There's what we call escalator. You know escalator? Escalator, yes. No. Lift into a shop, right? The one that you just stay at. Okay, I'll take you off. Okay. There's one descending and there's one ascending. Use the mic, very well. Okay, there's one descending and there's one ascending. At a point, the crowd got too much and they find it difficult to control the number of people that would climb on this thing because of the FD. Because there was a particular point where the train, even when the crowd was too much, it stops. On the train too? On the train, it stops. The train could not move because the number of people that was programmed for that train has been exceeded. Now, I found out that the programmed escalator that was supposed to be going up started going down and the one that was supposed to be going down started coming up so that people that are coming from another direction can take it. Now, when you get to that place, you find out that, no, this is supposed to be going up. No, it's not going up. Now, that is what they program it to be. They can either take it to ascend or descend. So, the limitation at which human beings have reasoning, it gives us this, what Papo said, that we can only think of something at the beginning. Definitely, it will have a hinge. So, this is how this thing used to be. So, this is how it will be. But the programmer said, no, I program it. I design it for you. So, I can decide either to take it up or to break it down. So, in order to fit what I want at a particular time, I design it the way it's supposed to be. So, you are designed to think the way you are thinking. Now, another question will jump into your head to ask another question. You are a product that, when that product manifests, you are supposed to be giving me the end result so that my personality, my glory can be seen in you. So, if you don't know me, you will not know yourself. Until you know me, you will not be revealed. So, the word W-O-R-L-D is even from E-A-R-T-H, health. And it's even from L-I-F-E, life. It's different, different things. That word is the program. The head is you. Life is you. Now, life... Praise the Lord. You want to say something? You can clap for that. I can't clap for him. Please, celebrate him for that. Glory to God. Glory to God. Hallelujah. There's a particular question that's been troubling my mind. You said something... According to the Bible, it was God that created everything, both the good and the bad. But, it was God that created everything. So, I want to have... Wait. You have said something there that I need to pay attention into. Because of the audience that's listening and the people that are following us, God that created everything does not mean God created the good and the bad. Answer to my question the other time now. God created everything for man. Are you getting that? Earlier, before I said that, I actually came about how this angel left his former habitation. By what? By trying to swap. By collecting the dominion. Exchange what man has. So, the moment he collects what man has, the dominion that he has, that man has, play out. So, it was in his hands. Are you getting it now? So, because of the rebellion... Listen to this. The rebellion that was in his hands, are you getting it now? Now, play out the conduct of that rebellion. The rebellion was looking for power. Listen. What in his heart, in his essence, he was already rebelling against his Creator. He was having issues with his Creator. Even without even Creator, he couldn't say anything. Not that he didn't know. But, it's nothing. For his Creator to be thinking that when you do so. It's more like you have all the... You are the manufacturer of all this here and all that here and one of them is... You don't even know anything. Even if you know, you look at everyone there, you just cling away from this place. And you know what? The only person here is the manufacturer. And actually, I am the pastor in this church that is in charge of all this here. Are you getting it now? If the church is behaving beyond what I expected, what will I do? I'll just bring it and squish it and throw it away and put another one... Did you understand now? So, that's what actually played out. The manufacturer was not the one that is not saying that, okay, no, no, throw it away. No, it was the someone that is in charge. Which in Jamaica, that was in charge of just sending people out of this place. So, get out of that place. That's when you now have the opportunity to go and meet man. Are you getting that? To deceive man. So, when you get there, the next thing that you have to do is that he's looking for something to support his rebellion. And what is that thing that he's looking for? He's looking for power to support his rebellion. And the moment power comes upon that rebellion, you know what happened? It started functioning. All what is in him started coming out. He started believing in it. So, what is in him? What is the work of rebels? What are the works? Destructions! These are the works of the rebels. That's why the Bible says he came to steal, to kill, and to what? To destroy. To destroy. To kill who? To kill man. So that man, he can have man's kind of, or exact mankind's, are you getting that? Power to kill. So, how will he achieve that? To steal it from man. And to what end? To destroy man. That's what she just told us in Genesis 10. Did you understand that now? So now, in the context of that, so the moment that will now come, to kill and to destroy, so his destruction mission, his destruction mission now started playing out in man's heart. Hello? His destruction mission now started playing out in man's heart. That is why man will now sit down in an assembly, are you getting now? 33 people in an assembly, and all of them, in fact 28 or 29 of them will decide and say, nobody should mention the name of Jesus again. Because their rebel, that destruction has already found its mission in their hearts, against God. Not against God per se, but against man. Cancel of God against man. So all, in the name of Jesus Christ, 30 people will sit down at an assembly, they want to pass a law. And the law, out of the 30 people, 29 will now agree that no lesbianism or gay should be approved. Why? Because actually God's intention is that it should multiply. Did you understand now? So if that is God's intention, we don't want multiplication. And man, we want to give to God's desire. No, we don't want multiplication. Okay now, God say, okay, God now say, listen to this one again. Listen to this one. Where is that one play out? It actually play out in the man's heart. In those 39 people's heart, have you? Listen to this one again. Did you know, if God said at any time that now, from me, gay, lesbianism is permitted, those 29 people will come again and say, no, it should not be asked, it should not be permitted. Because anything that has to do with God, they must address it. And where is it coming from? From the demon, from that devil finding his way to their heart. So anything that is existing, everything that is existing was not created by God. God created everything but did not create everything. God created everything but is not the one inspiration behind everything that is existing today. So the gun that you are seeing, God did not determine to create gun or arrow. Man's heart created gun and arrow to fight their enemy. Because they just want to destroy. That's art. So when you are reading, fully reading your Bible and say, and God promised Paul, David to go and fight on Israel to win something. Are you getting now? Through the arrow or through the sword or javelin or whatever. All those weapons of war was not created by God. It was created through the art of man and inspired by the demon. Okay. Is that one clear now? So it is not God. So when you see, because the first thing that will be in your mind one day, listen to this, one thing will be in your mind one day that if God is actually the originator and the creator of everything, why should God actually create this woman which is haunting my life? Did not God know that I will be his side? Why is this woman haunting my life? Why is this boss in my office? What if, what if God has capacity? Is sovereignty in his power? Why is God allowed this woman, this man to be in this office? I pray to God so that my paper can be signed. So why is this woman still sitting down here? Why can't God just send him away? God will not send him away. God will not send him away. So everything we finish, we start in your own ass too and it will end in your own ass. Oh yeah, so in short, all these um marine spirits, spirituals bands have been created by devil, right? The marine spirits, the spirituals band. Okay. Okay. Now, hold on. Everybody look up here. Everybody look up. Pay attention to this one. Verse 20. Okay, verse, verse, what again? Verse 6. Verse 6 again. Verse 6 again. Hello. And the angel which kept not their false angels. How many? Angels which kept not their false estate, but let their own habitation. So all those angels that followed devil or they pay allegiance to the devil, they are submitted to the devil, they become demons. Are you getting it now? They become demons. And then like the question I ask you, please pay attention to this one. I started by asking you a question. Is God spirit? Is God spirit now? Is angel spirit? Is demon spirit? Okay, fine. Hello. Can man be possessed? Okay, now can man, does man have spirit? Listen everybody. Does man have spirit? Does man have spirit? Okay, fine. Can man be possessed? Can man be possessed? Great. Then those angels that do well in the spiritual. Are you getting now? Man too have spirit. So they find their way through the spirit to influence the earth and find their way there. So when the light shines, actually they are actually called darkness. And the light shines. Darkness complains it not. So the earth of man is the dark place. Are we together here? Is the dark place where the light shines into. So when the light now shines there, what is that light? Is Christ. Christ is the light that shines into the earth of man. So now if Christ is not shining into the earth of man, what will happen? The earth will remain what? Darkened. Or the light wants to shine into the earth of man. And the man is blocking the light from shining. Hello, look up here. From this light wants to shine to this place now. I am not doing like this. No. This one come and bring the torch. I want to see what is inside. I do like this. No. That is what the earth of man is doing. When you go there to preach to the man that the Lord is good. Jesus died for you. He died for your sin. He wanted to have his life. And the man says, no, no, no, no. I am a Muslim. When he says I am a Muslim, what is he doing? So he is covering the darkened earth. Colossians said that. Their earth has been darkened. Are you getting now? Their earth has been darkened. So he is covering the darkness. So what are we talking about here is just simple as this. So the earth of man is darkness. So when the light of God will shine, that is Christ. Are you getting it now? So that is what makes it so. From this now, if the earth is actually being darkened, as we have been talking about, is darkened. Listen to this. We are not playing here. If the earth is actually darkened, as we have said now, are you getting now? What happened in darkness? What happened in darkness? If there is a dark, in the dark place, what happened there? Evil things happened there. So what did evil have? Demons. Have you? So whatever they can carry out is what is allowed, what will happen in the dark. So when the earth is darkened, what happened there? So the earth will manifest darkness. So the earth will show the conduct. The conduct itself, the physical body will conduct itself according to that darkened earth. I don't know whether you are getting this. It's getting deeper. It will be so much deeper. But please, if you are paying attention, you will understand it. That's why that's why the majority of us pay mass in school. Because when it's getting minus two, minus three, we started looking at it. Okay, what's happening? So pay attention. If you are following what I'm saying now, I'm repeating what I've said earlier. Are you getting it now? So now the demon, the, the demon, the, uh, maniwata, what do you call it? All those things, are you getting it now? Spirit of man, spiritual wife, all those things, the MLA, all those things that you call it, actually exist. Hello, listen to this, listen to this. They were actually real and they were real and they are real. They are actually real because the angel, Jesus. Okay, what's happening now? Jude 1.6. Jude 1.6. Jude 1.6. One more question. One more question. Let's answer this one, finish. So that we can quickly, or you want to say it together? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I've heard a lot of people saying all this kind of spirit, um, the only place where they can receive their total freedom is by going to all those white garment church because they believe, um, what is happening to them is spirit and white garment church is a kind of church, is a spiritual church. Okay. So what can I say too? Okay, great. Oh yeah, look up here. Okay. Oh yeah, listen, listen. Hello, listen everybody because you know why this question is seemingly important? It's because it's what you are facing day to day. In fact, it's actually the mindset that's already spreading. I'm the one that's broadening this thing to this length. It's supposed, I'm supposed to do it in a, what do you call it? So that you can, because you don't want, even, hello, look up everybody. Even you don't want me to be going to the deep, deep. You just want me to say it in a way, in just, are you getting it? Now, let me answer it that way. The spiritual realm are real. Are you getting it now? There's a demonic, there's a demonic realm. There's a, uh, spiritual realm, believe us, uh, angelic realm. Thank you. So now, let me pay attention to this. Every, both the angelic realm, the demonic realm, and none of them actually at any time can function without man. None of those, are you getting now? None of those realms can function without man. When you are coming to church, did you meet spirit on the road and say, where are you going? Are you going to church? No, you can never meet that. Are you getting it now? That is why we say, look up everybody and pay attention to this. That's why we say something like, like what I used to tell you, that the power of God, listen to this, that the power of God can never be seen or can actually, can be, uh, can be tied with that man, with that believer's manifestation, with that believer projecting it out or manifesting it. The power of God is a believer. Likewise, the demonic, uh, the demonic power is actually the act of man that's not born of God is actually a, uh, field or ground where devils or demons can do anything and undo. So now bring, now come about the possession or non-possession. Are you getting it now? So if you are born of God, are you listening to what I'm saying now? If you are born of God, are you getting it now? You have been possessed by God through Christ Jesus. Huh? You have been possessed by God, then your heart is for God. Are you listening to what I'm saying now? If you couple it with what I've been telling you before, eagerness is now another thing. Are you following what I'm saying? If you are born of God, you have been possessed. Huh? You have been possessed of God because of our time, because we ought to close now. We ought to have closed. We are already exceeding by five minutes. So now your heart is, when you are born of God, you are born, when you are born of God, your heart has been possessed of the Lord. Are you getting it now? So at that time, the demon, the devil, the emirate, the whatever that's available. Are you getting it now? It's actually, they cannot possess your heart again. Your heart has been possessed by the Lord, by Jesus Christ. Huh? Are you following what I'm saying now? Now, in addition to that, this aspect of spiritual husband, are you following what I'm saying now? It actually exists. Let me say, spiritual husband only exists in places like Africa. Spiritual husband actually mostly exists in places like Africa. Spiritual wife exists in worlds like Africa or there and above. When you get to places, some part of America or Germany, are you getting now, where the Africans are not the one dominating the place. Okay, you want to say something from the Bible? Okay, I'm coming now. Where the Africans are not the one that actually dominated them, are you getting now? They believe in demons too. Are you following me now? But they don't believe in the spiritual husband or spiritual wife. But when you get to Africa here, so we see demon, we categorize demon, we categorize some of them as spiritual husband or spiritual wife and because we believe like that, we categorize them in that way, they started function according to that because we are the one that gave them what to function. We are the one that give them name and they bear in the name we give them. You call them spiritual husband, they function according to husbanding. You call them spiritual wife, they behave to you spiritually as a wife and the shocking part of it is that you will know that they can never exist. They can never exist in the physical, they only exist in the spirit. Did you understand now? Likewise, you pay attention to this part. Likewise, if you are born of God and you give yourself to all the first Corinthians 12, 1 and first Corinthians 12, 2, all that spiritual, all that gifts of the spirit, if you give yourself to those ones too, what will happen? You start manifesting that when you are sleeping. That's what will be your experience, not spiritual husband. So, you are a product of whom you give yourself into. So, if you give yourself to what they term as spiritual husband or spiritual wife, you will be having the, are you getting now, the aura or the manifestation of that thing. If you give yourself into interpretation of tongues, even when you are sleeping in the dream, you will be interpreting tongues. Even you will be doing the same thing, power, faith, prayer, you give yourself to prayer, the entity of God. Likewise, concerning the, what about the white garments or whatever, are you getting now, saying that they can cast out or they are the ones to spiritual church? No. Likewise, we give them, we have done about them that they are the spiritual church. They are not spiritual church. Every church of Christ, where Christ is being preached is actually the spiritual church. That is why, what is this church? What is this church? It is a spiritual church because we are dealing with the things of the spirit here. When you come on Sunday morning, do we pray? So, what are the activities of the spirit? Prayer, tongues, spiritual, the gift, okay, 1 Corinthians 12, verse 2, we mention the gift of the spirit. So, all those gifts of the spirit have been mentioned and been administered in this place. So, this, it means that this place is actually the what? The spiritual church indeed. Did you understand now? So, that is not actually the spiritual church in the sense of the spirit, in the sense of all senses. Okay, say it again. Calling them the spiritual church is like a prince touching to other prince that see the prince. But even in the real sense of prince, they are not even prince because in their place, they don't speak in tongue and interpret tongue. They don't give word of knowledge. They don't do all these things according to the leading of the spirit. Romans 5, 5. He wanted to read something. Pastor, I don't want to touch you. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry for taking a part of this time, please. Now, I'm sorry for my voice. In the opening prayer, I think Genesis chapter 1, verse 31, says something. Containing, I just want to say scripture so that she will have a scriptural being. Containing God created evil or good. You understand? God did not create evil because Genesis chapter 1, verse 31 says, after God created everything, it is all what he created were good. Were good. Did you understand that now? He, he, and they put fools to stop. So, you remember James, you remember James who said, God is good, eh? Yes. You remember James, eh? He said in him, he said there is no darkness. Darkness at all. That's James 1. So, there is no darkness, there is no evil in God. So, I think pastor has explained how evil and demons existed. And so, if you, if anything now operating, anything that's not working out, that is now, is not good, that means it is not from God. Concerning that eh, spiritual church or no spiritual church of anything, are you getting it now? Eh, that maybe you should go to spiritual church when you have a spiritual husband or you have something. I think that's where that is coming from. Or maybe you are possessed in one way or the other, go for deliverance of this kind, are you getting it now? The truth of the matter is this, the truth of the matter is this, of this discussion is this. Even if you are, if you are coming to this church and actually you are possessed, when you go to this church, we do deliverance for you. For the deliverance we do this place, are you getting it now? We will not give you room to be there, we will not give you room for that. Because we have a lot, imagine that I've been doing one deliverance this morning, you disappear. Imagine it's only one person I've been facing this morning. How will you lay, how will the other group? But the truth of the matter, when you come here, and then the truth of the matter, you cannot be possessed. Because majority of everyone that is here is actually born of God. So you cannot be possessed with a spirit that will now need to lay hands on you and be doing, no, no, it's not possible. Are you getting it now? Even if something like that seems like that, you are just acting, it is not real. It will be acting. Get it right, get it right. If you are born of God, you cannot be possessed in the term of possession. But you have been possessed. By who? By her? By what? Say it now, Abba. You have been possessed by who? I'm suspecting you. I'm suspecting him. Yes. I know. You want to read it? Yes, praise God. I'm coming, I'm coming. Let me quickly say this. I know you have. Question and answer always come like that. See, possession, listen, you have been, when you are born of God, when you are born of God, I've said it before, maybe you need to listen to this tape again. When you are born of God, you have been possessed, he bought you with price. Eh? He bought you, he bought you and he keeps you like this in this body. And on the last day, he will come and take you by himself, to himself. Are you listening now? Hello, what do you expect? You have been bought with a price. That is why you are expected to do what? Hello? You have been bought, hello, what is happening? You have been bought with a price. That is why the Bible says you have been bought with a price. What does it say? Glorify God in your body. So you have been possessed of God already. So, possession of the Lord's soul, you cannot be possessed with the demonic spirit again. Are you listening now? But this can happen. You can live who you are and be acting contrary to who you are. How? By another influence. Which influence? The friends that are stealing as the one that you are going out with in all your days. Before you know it, you that's already been born of God. You have the spirit of God, possessed of God. You will start thinking to be acting like them. You are not possessed of stealing spirit. You are just being influenced. You are not a thief, they are the thieves. Did you understand that now? So likewise, other one, did you get my point now? So last, last. Believers cannot have evil spirit possession. Cannot be possessed by the evil spirit. Are you listening to what I am saying now? But believer can act, can act, can behave himself like as if he is possessed of the evil spirit. But believer, there can't be double possession. There can't be what? Double possession. If he has bought you with a price, he has bought you with a price. Did you understand now? Concerning the white government or whatever he's talking about now. As far as they are concerned, are you getting it now? They are using the, what do you call it now? They are trying, sometimes they use evil, I'm not saying all, I'm not saying all. But majority, majority, larger extent of them use, are you getting it now? Use familiar spirit. Use familiar spirit. And another part of it is that they use another demon to influence another one, agree? I know, I know we are over here. It's something like, because there's something like taking somebody to a river, are you getting it now? Invoke the spirit of the river, are you getting it now? Which seemingly to some of them, which seemingly to some of them has a greater power than the one you have, are you getting it now? That can seemingly set you free. But there is no actually freedom from that side. So the only freedom we have is in Christ. When you are born of God, you are born into freedom. Sorry, I know we are over here, I'm sorry to, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, your question. So, praise God. Ah. Based on what you said, I believe. There is this experience I had. Use mic very well, okay. Amen. There is this experience I had in Lagos, of a lady we were counseling. Okay. And it happens that she's a believer and she has yielded herself to the things of the spirit. But her mom. Wait. She happened that she's a believer. Yeah, she's a believer. Did you assume or is she a believer? Continue. It happens that when she was small, she was actually suffering from this spiritual husband. Okay. And it happens that she came with the guy that she's about to marry. Okay. So by revelation, we now told the guy that don't marry this lady. Because of spiritual husband. Spiritual husband. And the lady confirmed it that the guy is like deceased guy. That she has been dating. That she is about to marry. And anyone that cross paths with her, will die that night. Because of the spiritual husband. Because of the spiritual husband. And she's a believer. No. No. No. Is that the end of the question? Yes. So what play out in that one? Is she actually a believer? Is she actually a believer? That's the question. Is she actually a believer with such experience? Because what you are now saying now is that, if you are a believer, you can't be double possessed. But she's a believer and seemingly that she has already been double possessed. Have you? The next question. Before you answer that one. Ask your question because we need to close. Praise God. Oh gosh. I don't plan that we should have extended this. You know last year since the year began, it's always 11, 11, 11, 11. The time, our time should be. Praise God. Actually my case is different. Amen. My question is, okay, there is a possibility of her being in a congregation. Is there a publicity? Okay. Let's say somebody, someone is in a congregation. Okay. And probably the person is ministering. And the person is trying to share a body with them. Maybe a body for them to pray or to evoke the glory of God and everything. And then let's say the man, the set man over that program or the pastor of that. So now the body the person is trying to share is actually different from what the person, the pastor is actually. I don't really know how to put it but you are trying to share a body of prayer and the pastor is not like, the pastor is not trying, the pastor is trying to share another body, share another body. So my question is, what is the right thing for that kind of person to do? To do. And then secondly, is it right for somebody to be under someone who is not sharing your body with you or who is not carrying the same kind of spirit or body that you are carrying? Okay. Let me quickly answer the first one, the first question so that we come back to that one. Because that one more, this must seem like a more orderliness in the, in the things of the spirit. Okay. So in your question, you said the guy, the lady has been born again. Are you getting it now? Two things may play out here. Number one, it is possible that your, that being born again is being assumed. Number one. Number two, it is also possible that she has actually born again but she's not actually aware of who he is. Because in this context, she's not the one being killed. It is people that are coming to her way. Are you getting it now? So like what I told you earlier, what I preached to you earlier, if you are following it, that's why I always want you to be followed, with your absolutely following. If actually he's born again, if he's born again, if she's born again, sorry, if she's born again genuinely and sincerely and she's, uh, listen to this, and she's actually acknowledging that this is what I now This is who I am. This is what I can do. I have dominion. I have authority. I have mercy. I have the power of God. I have the ability of God in me. I can act in God's capacity. Now in the name of Jesus, every man coming to my direction, I declare you safe, secure and preserved. No evil around you. The next man is secure and preserved. No evil. I guarantee you safety. And another thing, pay attention. She must make sure that the man she's bringing to should be a believer. Because if you are praying for such that is not even a believer, you can't even use your capacity to hold over him till you present gospel to him. Did you understand that now? That is if she's born again, the devil, by the reason of her not growing, not knowing who she is, or the capacity that she has, by the reason of that ignorance concerning spiritual, the devil may be sneaking in and be causing that affliction, and be causing that affliction, so that she will doubt her salvation by herself. She will doubt her salvation. At the moment your salvation is being doubted. It's withheld on how you operate in the power of God. That is why I started this discussion that you must be what? You must pay attention to crucifixion knowledge. That is your resurrection what? Resurrection knowledge. Means your salvation, you must understand your salvation. That this is what it takes. This is what I have. This is what I can do. God was all meant to be saved and come. Your salvation is great, but you must pump into the knowledge of that salvation. The major problem we are having across the globe in the Christianity world today, in the believers world today, is that many are getting saved day by day in mission field, but they are not taught, they are not exposed to who they are, what they can do, and thereby the devil go behind and tell them, keep the husband coming, or keep the wife coming, and when they want to name it, he says the born again man. No, it's a born again man or born again sister. Say he has spiritual husband or spiritual wife. And the next thing is that because he is even doubting his salvation, he will not look at, he will think the next place to go should be the riverine side, and for another pastor to put soap, special soap and water and put candle around him. And us, which what I am saying now, is he born again? Hello, you are not following. He is born again, he is born again, but he did not understand the salvation, or a salvation. He is doubting his salvation by himself. Did you understand that now? You want to contribute to that? You want to contribute to that? One, two, three. Oh yeah, okay, you are waiting. Wait, wait, wait. Oh yeah, wait here, wait here. Praise God. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We have six minutes for everything. Yeah, praise God. I want to answer Bronleko. Eh? Yes, I want to answer your question. Eh, wait, wait, before Bronleko, you want to say something concerning this one? No, I want to say something. Oh yeah, say this one first. There is working in the authority of who you are. Yes. And there is you having what you have. You can be a governor and not work in the authority of a government. Of governorship. It is for a believer. There is a book written by Kenneth Egan. Yes. Believer's authority. Believer's authority. There must be, apart from you are born again, there must be you working in the authority. That is why 1 Corinthians chapter 12 talks about spiritual. You must not be ignorant about it because if you don't know how to use the gift of discernment, miracle, because there must be something before you walk miracle. These are what you do to believers. You teach them how to use the spiritual. And you know it's a must for believers. It's a must. If they are not working in it, they will be ignorant. Wait, how many people see my post? And what I said last week, even my post yesterday, is I said, as a believer, tongue speaking, you can die like a common man. I tell you, know that God is not in you. You can die like a poor man. Know that God is not up there. He owns a castle upon thousands of hills, millions of thousands of hills. He owns all the planets. He owns all the earth. But you can die miserable. In fact, you will see a believer that will die of cancer, die of pain. And we are not mocking them. But we are saying that it is because you don't acknowledge that area that God has already made everything up. Pastor, please let me read this. Okay. All right. Concerning the subject of spiritual husband or wife, it is called subjective experience. Subjective experience. People who brought it into the church, brought it with their subjective experience. So it has become a subject and they now experience it. People in their congregation experience it. So they now turn it to a subject. So let me quickly read. Like a doctrinal, like a doctrinal something. Now it's now become a doctrine. So they now form a doctrine, a church, based on experience. Now let me quickly read something. There is no clear example in the Bible where a demon ever inhabited or invade a true believer. It has never happened. A true believer from book of Acts, there's no indication. Never in the New Testament epistle have believers warned about the possibility of being inhabited. They were not even warned. That keep your body so that demons will not enter. They were not warned. Now in the epistle, so that you will not be thinking or thinking the false gospel. You understand? Those people who were in the false gospel, Matthew, Luke, John, they were not believers. Jesus Christ has not died. So it says, it says neither do we see anyone rebook, binding or casting demons out of a true believer. The epistle never instruct believer to cast out demon, whether from a believer or a non-believer. Christ, the epistle were the only one who cast out demons. The epistle that they didn't cast out demon from Peter, Paul. Do you understand? They were the first people to embed the knowledge of Christ. So in them, from that upper room, they were not casting demon from themselves. You know this is Bible now. This is doctrine. You must stay by it. They were not casting demon. We can't say yes, all of us and be casting demon out of ourselves. What we will do is we go out and cast demon. When they were in upper room, they were not casting demon. Peter, I say go on. There is shablabrabri in your body. Oh yeah? Go. Pay attention. I'm coming. Pay attention to something there and nothing there. Why in that same upper room? Yes please. Listen to this. Pay attention to this. Even why in that same upper room? Are you getting it now? Have they known everything? No. Are you getting it now? But they were growing in the knowledge. Was there a bias of play on their way? Yes. But that was not actually the subject of demonic. Did you understand now? So actually the role of knowledge, they grow in knowledge. Did you understand that now? Pastor, you wanted to? Okay. Let them quickly say something because I need it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That question he asked, I won't quickly talk about it before you talk about it. Okay. That's why I insisted. I'm sorry. You know, it won't look like a manipulative question. What he says is that, what about if you have a lead, somebody who is leading? Leading prayer. Who has a, no, not necessarily, he didn't ask it like a leader. Just like a leader who has different body from what the said man of God, the lead pastor asked. You see, I want to answer before you answer so that. No, I want to, is that the question? Yeah, that's what I said. Different body entirely from what the man of God asked. From what the said man asked. Do you understand? It's simple. You see, in my early 20s, I had experience of Bishop Oyedeku. In 200 level, I listened to one tape from Bishop David Oyedeku. And what the tape says that, Bishop Oyedeku says, when he was going to redeem Church of God, he said, everything they taught, they teach, they do in redemption of God. He said, he didn't actually accept it as a working doctrine. His tape is online. So, I am not saying, because I'm saying it to him, I am not saying what he did not say. He said, he didn't accept it as a working doctrine. He said, but God told him, if you leave this man, you will never have a great ministry. He said, stay and learn what he is teaching. Listen, Bishop Oyedeku was working mightily in 1982. But God told him, stay in redeem Church of God. If you leave there, you won't be great. Stay and listen to what the man is teaching. Now, is a tape online. I am not saying what I have not heard. God told him, stay there and listen whether he knows, you know the way Papa Adeboye teach. He said, whether he knows how to teach or not. He said, stay and listen to what he is teaching. Did Bishop Oyedeku later came out in 1985, 1986? He came out. Did Bishop Oyedeku attend the Redeem Church of God now? Yes. Did Papa Oyedeku attend Living Freed? Yes. What happened? God set him there for a purpose. If he should have lived, he would have fallen into a wrong act. So, he was put to, because Bishop was a hard man. He needs to stay. That was my own interpretation. Often times, although he later bought treasures. He was instructed to stay with Papa Adeboye to learn humility. And humility makes a great minister. If he has left, he will start running to Kenneth Egan. Because he talks about Kenneth Egan, of how he runs after. He would have run towards Kenneth Egan, who is in America. And he might not have been properly taught. He stayed with Papa Adeboye and his ministry was worldwide. Fire. Praise God. Do you want to say something, Pastor? Do you want to say something? Do you want to say something? What Eric and people have been talking about, spiritual wife, spiritual, once and again is that, there are two things I want to say. The devil is a deceiver. That is his name. Very smart one. And in the kingdom of light, we have gifts of the spirit. They are diverse. Also in the kingdom of darkness, we also have gifts of the spirit. Whether it is a spiritual wife, spiritual husband, all is demonic affliction. While Jesus was on earth, he cast out unclean spirits. We don't know what those spirits are. Whether they are witches. So, praise God. So, the devil comes in diverse ways. And he deceives people through our minds. And then the second one, concerning those who are believers, we have the story of Job. God called him a servant. But because he has wrong knowledge of God, he was afflicted. Terribly afflicted that we think he is an enemy of God. Praise God. We have the story of Job. He is a servant of God. That story of Job is even more so. But he was afflicted. Like I said, he does not have God. Something that is most important is, wrong knowledge of God can cause a disaster in the life of a believer. So, at the end of it, Job now says, after the old suffering for like 42 years. Was that not chapter 42? Chapter 42. Job now says, Do you know what Job said? Job said, who is this that has been muddling the water? Who is this that has been saying nonsense about God? Who is this that has been saying what he did not know? Assumption. Opinion. Concepts. Biometrics. Geometrics. Geography. This is about God. Thank God, give us and God take care. Who is this that has been saying that? He said, it is me. He said, Lord, I am sorry that I didn't know it was you. Job chapter 42. Verse 1. Job 42. You are there, read it out. Then Job answered what? Answered the Lord. Job said, I know that thou can do everything. Verse 2. Verse 2. I know what? I know thou can be without it from you. He is not saying, who is this? Everybody look up. Who is he that I can cancel without knowledge? Who is he that is born again? Look up. Listen to this. Who is he? Who is he? That I can cancel that is the word, that means that is born again without knowing that this is who he is. Who is this governor? Like what Pastor gave you now. Who is this governor that did not know that he has power over the whole state? Who is this? That is a governor that did not even know that he has immunity to do and undo. Nobody can take him to court. Nobody can discharge him. Who is he? He said, therefore, I have uttered that I understood not. So what is it that he uttered that he understood not? Believer can be possessed. Spiritual husband is real. Demons are real. Are you getting it now? There is a power in the river. There is a power in the sky. There is a power in this one. God can do anything. God can do nothing. God has got the power. God is the one making me to seek. God is the one that killed my child. God is the one that is doing this. God is the one that is doing that. If I will be alive tomorrow, it is God that will determine it. It is cabiose. It is not cabiose. I am telling you today. Hello? Corrigi, it is not. God is not today. I am telling you today. It is not cabiose. He said, come, let us what? Let us listen together. Why you are calling me cabiose? He is saying that I am video. Come and ask me. He even wants the fellowship all the time from you. He wants you to ask him questions. He is ready to answer you. He will say this. And nothing else. Unquestionable. That song is not right. Unquestionable. He is a questionable God. You can ask him questions. He enjoys. He follows when you are asking him questions. He is a father. He is not a parent. He loves it when you are asking him questions. When you are saying something. He wants fellowship from you. He gets you born again. So that he can have fellowship with you. The purpose of being born again. So that he can have one spirit. He can be communicating. Look at what Job said. Have I uttered that I understood not? Things too wonderful for me. Can this God? I am talking about the God that created heaven and the earth. Want me to be talking to him? Yes. Job said, Things too other. That is too big for me. He was thinking himself. He was telling his friend. You cannot query this God. He does not find anything. Whatever he does is the best. It is the last. That is what Job was uttering. But you know what? The Lord said, That is not me. Job himself said, Things too wonderful for me. This God that created heaven and the earth. It is not me. It is not yet. That is things too wonderful for him to contribute. But that is actually the truth. Are you born of God? Glory to God. Lastly, This is my own contribution to this. What you can ask. This is what I want to say. I did not want to contribute to this question. But Thank God the pastor has already answered the question. Listen to this. Please, others that need to pay attention to this. This is what I have to say. Concerning that question. Blake, are you here? And others, listen to this. The question actually further explains to me that it sounds like this. Everybody listen. I have another urge of what we should be doing at the time. Listen to this again. This is what the question Blake asked means. It means that I have a urge that what we should be doing in this church at this time than what this that we are doing. And this is the order from the Lord. The order from the Lord is that Are you listening? This is the order from the Lord. Order from the Lord is that this is who is saint and this is what is doing at the time. Are you getting it now? The highest thing you can do for him is that you can do to that ministry you suggest you can suggest Hello? You can suggest to the lead pastor if you have access. Otherwise if you don't have access you keep on praying with him. Are you getting it now? But as at that time God is the one leading him. So whatever is said at that time that is the move of God at that time. Whatever you think that is supposed to be is not right. You subject it to that order at that time. If you think it is supposed to be preaching at this time and the lead or the leader of the church is now saying we should be praying. Are you getting it now? Subject your leading Are you getting it now? Subject your own leading to the praying. You have what to do. You can control that your urge. Are you getting it now? You are the one that owns it. You can control it so that you can do what? You can be in line with whatever is doing at that time. Did you understand that now? Stand on your feet. Glory to God. So you can be doing any of that if you want to grow and you want to fulfill God's demand. So you have to follow what he is saying at the time. The Lord bless you. Shine his good face upon you. I know Interactive Sunday doesn't actually come easy like that. Glory to God. Okay. Package your offering. Package your offering. To our audience, online audience, everyone, we thank you for being part of this meeting. God bless you. Goodness of the Lord abound in Jesus mighty name. Hallelujah. Thank you all our online audience. God bless you. So see you again some other time. Hallelujah. Package your offering.