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The podcast episode discusses the topic of tipping in the United States. It explores the history of tipping and its origins in feudal Europe, as well as its popularization in the US after the Civil War. The hosts discuss the tradition of tipping and its impact on service quality, with one host arguing that tipping can render the server inferior. They also touch on the increase of tipping prompts on iPads and the possible correlation between inflation and tipping practices. Overall, they question the fairness of tipping and the responsibility of businesses to provide a living wage to their employees. What's up, guys? Welcome to the Everything But Bagels podcast. Today I am here with a very special guest. Introduce yourself. Well, it's the first time I've ever been called special in, hopefully, a positive way. Oh, incredibly positive. Nothing but positive regards for you, my friend. Oh, I do thank you. My name is Ash. I am, unfortunately, 25 years old. I've already reached the end point of my life, because, as everyone knows, once you reach 25, it's all downhill. And I have the unfortunate circumstance of working with Reagan. Yay! Clap, clap, clap. Wait. Oh, my God. Soundboard. Okay. So, last episode was the pilot episode. And the pilot episode was actually a part of a school project that I had to do. So, it was, like, low-key kind of awkward because we were actually having to, like, make sure we talked about stuff. But this episode, it's just me. Me and Ash for real, dog. Like, we're just going to be talking. And today's topic's going to be, like, we're going to be talking about the economy. We're going to be talking about tipping and wages and stuff because we work together, and I complain about this stuff all the time to him. So, just a little bit of history before we get this started. Tipping is said to have started in feudal Europe when strict social hierarchies prevented any kind of social mobility as common practice among the aristocrats to tip their servants. It wasn't brought over to the United States until the 19th century and was only popularized after the Civil War. So, basically, whenever the Civil War ended and then the slaves became free, people used tips to pay the black people instead of paying them, like, wages. And this information comes from Taylor Mooney via CBS. And she also says that tipping has become a deeply ingrained tradition in the U.S. and although it's often portrayed as a way to ensure good service, like, you know, make sure that your waitress, waiter is being kind to you, taking care of you, there's very, very little evidence that that actually has any impact on how nice your waiter or waitress is to you. And a quote from an NPR podcast actually says, by tipping someone, you render them inferior to you. So, I have some thoughts on this, and I know that Ash did some research himself. So, if you have any historical facts that you would like to display or talk about, you can go ahead or just give your input. Well, it's interesting because we definitely read the same article because that is information I came across also. And to just kind of continue it forward, I mean, even in today's age, that is, as mentioned, it's still kind of a hierarchy that is established in the service industry. Now, as I mentioned, if they are under the belief that, you know, they have to be on their best behavior, they have to be on time with bringing you, let's just say it's a standard restaurant, you know, bringing you a refill or your napkins, whatever it is, that is creating the idea that this is just a lowly person here to serve you hand and foot. And typically, this goes against my very belief because my mom, she was a waitress for quite a while before I was born. And has instilled in me the idea that these people are being cheated out of their pay because they need to survive on the tips that they receive. And that's why we need to, or at least what I do, is I always tip at least 20%. So that's where I stand on it. But if you view my family's side, my dad and my grandfather, they believe if you are so much as a minute late for bringing them a refill, you just lost yourself a dollar. So the servitude is still very strong in the tipping situation. I always tip, like, so say I'm at, like, Applebee's. I always tip 20% no matter what. But I will say that if my server did just, like, an excellent job or, like, they were just really, really nice, I'll bump that up a little bit. But no matter what, I always give 20% just because they do survive on their tips. And I just kind of have some feelings about that. If you ask, okay, so people have traveled to Europe and they will go eat at a restaurant and they're American. So our culture is to, we go to a restaurant and we tip. That's what we see it as the right thing to do. We see it as polite. It's what you're supposed to do. But the people in Europe and other countries, if you tip them, they find it offensive because it goes back to that quote from NPR, you know, saying by tipping someone, you render them inferior. Like, that's their mindset over there. And so if you tip them in Europe, they hate that. And I'm also, I mean, it's a system that we have. So obviously, I partake in it. I obviously tip. But my positioning on it is I think that it is incredibly stupid. Like, why am I having to pay the server's wage? Why isn't the company giving them a living wage anyways? So that's my thought process on it. I know we talked a little bit about this before I invited you to come on the podcast. And you kind of started to say some things about that. Do you agree, disagree, or anything like that? Well, to continue off what you were saying, yeah, it's not just Europe. I mean, that goes for Australia, Japan, Korea, everywhere in the world except for America and parts of Canada. The idea of tipping is not everywhere is it frowned upon, but it's mostly only acceptable if the person, like you're at a bar, you're at maybe a special event or something like that where they just go above and beyond. That's when they'll accept a tip. But here in America, as mentioned, that is not how it goes. Unfortunately, the way businesses have figured it out is that, hey, we can pay them as little as about $2.13 an hour from what I saw on most surveys. And as long as they get tips that bring it up to the minimum wage, we don't have to pay them anymore. So other countries, it's more of a sign of gratitude, but it can also go back to the idea of, wow, you're tipping me like I'm some slave or servant to you. So how is cursing on here? Is that allowed? I could not recall. I don't care. You're fine. It's like, wow, you tipped me. You think you're better than me? Fuck you. That is how the thought process is. And that did not carry over here to America, because again, they did not want to pay free slaves to work. They were just like, yeah, it's fine. We're giving them the opportunity to work for us so they can figure it out themselves. And the kindness, quote unquote kindness, of people is, here's a tip. I honestly never really saw an issue with tipping until, actually, it was whenever I moved to Greensboro. So I moved there for school, and there's a lot of boba shops, coffee shops, fast food, too, on our campus. And I remember I would go to get boba, and this is not a sit-down like you're being served. This is a, I walk up to the cash register, I order in this, and they sit it on the counter, and I go get it. You know what I'm saying? And I just, in the mall, in the mall, you go to the mall and you go to the food court, you're at the Chick-fil-A, you're at the Subway. You're at a fast food chain, and then they have that iPad. And they're like, okay, it's going to ask you a little question. And it's like so awkward because it's like the person's standing right there, but also I just don't feel like they earned the tip. You know what I'm saying? Like all they did was take my order, put it in the machine, and then send someone else to go make it. That's definitely the unfortunate direction we've gone to, is, you know, the biggest thing I see currently, and I know they do fix it for you, but, you know, next to our grocery store is a Subway. You go there, and they ask you to go to the Subway, and you go to the Subway, and you go to the Subway, and you go to the Subway, and you go to the Subway, and you go to the Subway. You go there, and they ask you, would you like to tip? The minimum is 15%, and it goes 20 and 25. And as far as I'm aware, they make above minimum wage over there. I don't necessarily see why they would ask for a tip in such a thing. And, again, they are making the sandwich for me. That's understandable, but it's not the same thing as actually serving me, as actually I've gone into the restaurant. I'm sitting down. You come and take my order. You, you know, bring me my drink, my refill. You check up on me. You see, it's like, hey, anything you need, extra napkins, or can I get another utensil, things like that. And the tablet, the age of the tablet has definitely impacted the direction that tips has gone. Yeah, it's actually, it's all about the psychology, you know. Half the time, I'm pretty sure, I did not find like a solid source on this, but it was hinted that parts of those tips that you give via the tablet or the iPad goes not to that person, but to the company instead. And it's the psychology of, like, you standing there face-to-face with this person, the iPad between you. So you feel guilty. You feel, like, you feel so bad if you don't, like, give them money that you end up doing it, even though they work at a Subway and make, like, $10 an hour. If I may, I'm fairly certain a lot of our research came from the same location because I have that, surprise, surprise, we did take a few notes. We did a bit of our own research on each side here. And I have that also on my end. I literally have it. It's like, hey, what are you, going to go get a sandwich? Tip, please. Going to the supermarket and using self-checkout? Tip, please. Tip, please. No, no, okay. Oh, my God. Let me segue into that because that's the thing that is popping up now in a few Walmarts specifically. You're joking. I'm not joking. There are things where they are asking specifically, hey, would you like to tip? And it goes to what you were saying there is that, well, part of it's going to go to the business and they're going to split the rest. Well, if it's self-checkout, it's not going to anyone in particular. You, the customer, are literally doing the job that you would be tipping. What? It is just extra cash in the business's pocket. It's just become a psychological game, as you mentioned. It's like, hey, I'm going to turn this tablet towards you. You want to give me some money even though I probably just went over to a soda machine and just filled your cup with some Pepsi and then handed it to you. Would you like to give me a 15% tip? It's like, no, not really. I mean, I get it, extra cash would be nice, but when it comes to the tablet, that's not necessarily going to the person that did that. If anything, it's going to be partial going to the business and then split between the associates unless they might have it set up to where the system, you know, you log into the register or device that you're using because now most days it's not really a register. It is just that tablet with the little card swiper. So maybe they sign into it and they say, oh, associate A checked someone out and they gave them a 15% tip. Okay, we're going to keep 5% of that and then they get the rest. Maybe that's how it works, but it's still gotten to the point where they could do absolutely nothing. They could actually spit in my drink and then they would turn the tablet around and say, hey, you want to give me a tip? While looking into my eyes, not in a loving way, but as I'm going to judge your character if you do not give me a tip. And everyone behind you in line is going to see that you did not tip me, and then you're going to feel like an awful burden. God himself is going to look down onto you and say, you did not tip. I'm damning you to hell. That's in the extreme situation. I don't know how God feels about tipping. We're not here for a religious discussion. That's later. That's later. That's later. Don't worry. In my rant of notes, I have another thing that I say that's a different discussion, but we'll get to it. Oh, Lord. It's so true, though. Oh, my God. I know we're here for a more serious talk, but I will say I can easily derail this, and I will try to keep it as on rail as I can, but, yes. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Could you imagine? You know what I do as a job. I'd be checking people out and stuff. Why? I mean, I watch you standing around most days. Could you imagine? You doing your job? Maybe. Maybe one day, Reagan. That'll be on the evaluation. Don't worry about it. Maybe one day. I'm taking notes. I'm taking notes of my job performance. Oh, God. I apologize to any audience members. I came here for an intellectual conversation. It's out the window. It's gone. You had that the first ten minutes. This is fun hour. I turned a little. It's so old, too, you know, so I've got to manually pick it up and turn it towards the customer. Would you like to see a movie? They click a button, and I have to, like, struggle to pick it up again. I feel like I deserve a tip just for that physical labor. Jesus. Well, let me, so keeping it on the, sorry, took a sip of something, and it was a little stronger than I was expecting. Speaking of the place where we work, we don't typically receive tips, but there is an aspect of our business, specifically your job, that can result in tips, you know, the grocery and the takeout service. Yes. I'm trying to just not name where we work because I don't need to get doxed or outed for anything. Yeah. But technically, according to company policy, and I've probably said this or someone has said this, you've probably heard it, is that our associates should not accept any tips. I always tell my associates when they are taking the orders out to customers via the to-go service that, yeah, take it. I mean, the customers are offering it to you. Might as well. But when I go out there, and this is my personal opinion since I am a manager, is I always tell them, no, I thank you very much, but I'm just doing my job, and I just don't accept it because to me, because I'm in that management role, it feels a little lesser of me to take a tip because some psychological reason says, hey, I'm a higher up, I can't do that, but I'm not going to stop my associates from doing that. You're not going to stop us peasants working both jobs. Exactly. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Unfortunately, it's a psychological thing. It's like, oh, no, I'm a manager. I can't take a tip. Oh, no. Even though – well, hold on now. Even though I myself am a greedy goblin creature. True. Unfortunately, our conversations have proved that we are both goblins. I am just a hobgoblin. You are the little goblin. Well, I'm a loot goblin because things fall out of my pocket all the time, as I mentioned. True. He lost his keys the other day. It was quite funny. I lost many things. My will to live was also enough. Sorry. Let me move it back to the ideas of tipping. But, you know, I actually do not remember where we were properly at. You know what? Me neither. But I have – I can bring us back. It's okay. It's all right. We're good. We can salvage this. So, I think it's kind of crazy that I noticed this increase in the iPad situation after the pandemic. What also happened after the pandemic was that everything started to increase in prices, right? And I have no idea if these two are correlated. I'm not really a mathematician or an economist. I'm a woman. I don't know how to do either of those things. All jokes, guys. All jokes. I'm a feminist. Anyways. So, I – what are you – do you think those two could, like, maybe be correlated? I'd say there's definitely – But he's – Sorry. There's a bit of a – You're fine. For my end, you were just kind of cutting in and out, so I didn't know if you were done talking or not. Oh, no. You're fine. Like, gas companies actually, like, upcharging, and they've been getting, like, record profits, even though we are paying out of our butts for gas. So, I don't know if maybe the companies are like, okay, so we can do this, but how else can we cheat the average person out of money? Hmm. An iPad, maybe? Like, I don't know. Maybe I'm going the conspiracy theorist route, or I don't know. Talk to me. Well, there's definitely – I would say the idea of inflation increasing, the idea of tipping, can definitely be kind of correlated together with it. I mean, we've literally seen a 7% increase in inflation since the pandemic. So that's definitely led to not only the consumers having to pay more but also businesses, and I'm definitely not here to stand up for businesses in any way, shape, or form. I hate capitalist ideas in the sense of where we're heading, which is a cyberpunk dystopian society where capitalism reigns free. But I would definitely say that in terms of it, it's hard to say what is exactly linked there, but I would say there is probably some form of connection, but I'm not an economist in any way, shape, or form. My best guess is that maybe just because of higher cost of production. Again, we work in a grocery store. We've seen that there's now a difficulty in getting certain items because something I can actually confirm from my end since I work in this kind of business. I kind of keep up with some of the things is that a lot of distribution centers, a lot of manufacturers, their orders never stopped during the pandemic. They just didn't have the workforce to create said product, but that backlog never stopped. So now they are trying to match the past demand and the current demand. They are trying to catch up on all of these orders. So you could definitely see that they are trying to fill in a missing workforce, catch up on orders, and also still make a profit. And I would say that's probably where the iPad idea has definitely increased, because as we mentioned prior, not all of that is going to the associate that helped you that day or that server that poured you a drink right quick and flipped the tablet around. A portion of that is going to go to the business. And again, back to Walmart, that's just going to go into Walmart's pocket because it's self-checkout. So I'd say in my nonprofessional opinion, that's where I believe it has come from. That would make sense because I'd like real quick before we started recording, I did a little bit of research from like Forbes and the Department of Labor. And one of the quotes that I have from it says, from the research, the authors find that three main components explain the inflation since 2020, the volatility – I don't know how to say that word, anyways. Volatile? Volatility. Volatility? I don't know. Yes, I don't know, something like that, of energy prices. Hey, listen here. Backlogs of work orders for goods and services caused by supply chain issues due to the pandemic and price changes in the auto-related industry. So you hit the nail on the head from this research that I found via the Department of Labor. So you're right. It's the backlogs and them trying to catch up. Another thing I believe might also be playing a small factor is probably, as you remember, during the start of the pandemic, you had two types of jobs, essential and non-essential. Yep. So probably another way that businesses are adding this to, again, line their pockets a little bit more is the, thank you for being here. It's like, oh, thank you for working the drive-through. Here's a tip because you got me my cheeseburger. It's that kind of mentality. It's like, oh, we'll go back to the guilt-tripping. We're going to psychologically force them to give us more money because it's like, look at this person that's risking their life to get you your fries, to wait on you at this restaurant and get screamed at because they're wearing a mask and you're not allowed in with a mask. And you're coming into our grocery store and you're throwing carts at us, but God bless you. Oh my gosh. That whole side, little side note here, that whole essential worker crap, because I guess, I mean, I guess I was an essential worker because people have to get their groceries, but I got a $5 gift card, or it was either a $5 gift card or like a 5% off of your next purchase for working during the pandemic. And I thought that that was pretty comical. It was a 5%, which was outside of the standard 10% they give you during the holidays for that one-time purchase. Awesome. I will gladly, as a person of management, I will gladly rat on corporations because, again, I am not a fan of corporations. Working during the pandemic, 5%. Working on Christmas Eve, 10%. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. It's not even working on Christmas. It's like, for the work you've done this year, you're 10% off of your next shopping order. If you don't use it within the next, I think last time it was two weeks. Yeah, it was two weeks. Yeah, then you lose it. That's crazy. Okay, I know we're hating on corporations right now, guys, but Walmart, if you work at Walmart, you get like a little card thing, like an identification card, and you get like 20% off everything you buy from there. It's not a holiday special. It's just you have it. That's something you get, and they pay a lot more than what our business does. Unfortunately, my cousin's boyfriend, he works there, and me and him were comparing wage. He's a supervisor, and he makes $2 more than me, a manager. Wow. But here's the thing. I'm not going to go to a big corporation, well, a bigger corporation because Walmart is the worst place to work for. True. They're like huge. They're all over the country. Yeah, and also, you know, you deal with worst customers. True. We are the people of Walmart. Have you seen that video? That was my jam when I was like six. When you were six, okay. Dude, it's an old video. It is an old video. I have no idea if it's still up on YouTube, but it is old. You say when you were six. How old are you now? 19. You're 19. I'm almost seven years older than you, so I was 13 at the time, and you're saying that's an old video, and I'm older than you. It's like, okay, thank you for that. You're welcome. Thank you. I don't even know what you're talking about, so somehow that must have been me. I was too mature for we are the people of Walmart or whatever that you just said. Hey, it's a good video. You should look it up after this. I probably will forget within the next five seconds. Speaking of corporations, can we talk about how everyone hates the younger generation that works for them? Because I feel so unwanted sometimes because people are like, you young whippersnappers, you put yourself up by your bootstraps, and you should work for $1 an hour. Dude, I can't do it anymore. It's crazy. It is unfortunately – well, the previous generations are to blame, and then the indoctrination of a certain side of life and the area we live in does not make it any better. Oh, it actually makes it worse. It makes it far worse. Far worse. But I can also – this is not a hate comment towards the younger generation. I can just say this. I'm 25. I'm going to be 26 in three months. So it's got to the point where, unfortunately, most of the team that I have, that when they come in, is going to be 16- and 17-year-olds. And I got to say, holy cow, even though I can understand where the younger generation is coming from, I can also barely connect anymore. And it's like only a few years difference – well, almost a decade difference, but it's some things I can't keep up with. But I will never insult the work that they do because – I mean, some of them, they come in, and they're just here because mom or dad wants them to have a job. At that point, they're not here to work. But I have not seen an actual lack of work ethic in – I mean, I say this current generation. Depending on who you ask, it's part of my generation. I'm too young to be a millennial, too old to be a Zoomer, so I'm just kind of right there, unfortunately. But I do not see a lack of work ethic. It's something that I imagine has always been around. You see stuff from the 90s talking about teenagers not wanting to do work. You see stuff from the 80s, like, oh, those lazy teenagers. They're teenagers. They're either going to work because they really like that money so they can go out and hang out with their friends, or they're working because mom and dad's forcing them to work. It's just kind of how it is. So to attack the current generation for not having any work ethic is quite outrageous. And to attack the current generation that is older, around my age, if not a little bit younger, is also outrageous because of the current economy and the current living situation. There's many different factors. You've got a dying planet. We've got a government and capitalistic side that does not give a flying fuck about anything involving its workers. So it's more the Doomer aspect. It's like, hey, I'm just trying to survive with me, myself, and I. I don't really care about staying here at this job. If I can find another job that's going to pay me more or moving it away from that. It's like talking about work ethic. Well, let's look at another thing they fuss at. It's like, oh, the young people ain't having kids. Yeah, because guess what? We can't afford them. Yeah, we can barely survive with just ourselves. We can't find a place to live and this, that, and the other. So to target the younger generation like that is, frankly, outrageous. And I recently saw a video that goes back, I'm not kidding you, into the B.C. era when they were insulting the newer generation. I'm not even kidding you. It's been a never-ending battle. They'll talk about this, that, and the other. I saw one complaint, like someone had wrote in their journal, about the younger generation just wanting to enjoy plays. I guess the concept of ageism does – for anyone who doesn't know what that is, ageism is basically like old people thinking that they are superior and have say over what the younger people do. It's basically like respect your elders. That's the mindset. It's basically what ageism is. But then you uno reverse it towards them and say, okay, boomer. Yes. Uno reversing. Yeah. There's no respect on either side. So that's one problem. Again, I'm not defending the older generation for their more outdated, bigoted ideas and views on the world. But they're definitely not getting any respect because of that. We're not going to give you respect because you're not giving any to us. I also just feel like a lot of people, like younger people, have a lot more access to mental health stuff and stuff like saying, hey, if you feel like this, you should probably stay at home and not go to work. You know what I'm saying? I've done that. I did that once. And it was very beneficial. And I feel like sometimes the older generations, they see us doing that. And they're like, I don't understand why you're so depressed. Go work. You've heard me say this many times. I've said it to you. I've said it to some of my other associates. I understand that life happens. If you are going to be out for some reason, I'm going to understand that. But if you – obviously you lie to me or you're just taking advantage of it, that's another thing. But I always tell people, especially when I hire them, it's like you work with me, I work with you. I understand life happens. I know you get sick. A family member might get sick. You might have car trouble. If you tell me, hey, I'm going to be late or I'm going to have to call out, I'm going to understand that. But unfortunately, like a very recent issue, I had to write up three people because – in the same day because it was a constant. They were all constantly late, and I tried to explain to them. It's like I'm not doing this because I don't understand. I understand the reason you gave me. I understand the reason you gave me, but there's only so much I can do. But compare that to the older generation. They're just going to look at it like you called out because your kid was sick or you called out because you weren't in the right headspace. How dare you? It's like, no, that's a terrible mindset to have. That's how you lose people. That's how you get shunned. And putting the nurse at home, Granddad, that's how you get no one to call and visit you. I don't – my kids call me anymore. Well, maybe if you, like, listened to them. Maybe if you didn't call your granddaughter an F-word, Grandpa, maybe they would call you. Maybe they would call you. Oh, my gosh. Christmas get-togethers, Thanksgiving get-togethers, it's always fun with my kids. That's a whole other podcast. Hey. Let me tell you. If you ever want to invite me back for that kind of topic or anything insane, I'm definitely willing. But that, I can definitely go into. Oh, we will, for real. Yeah. It's – we started about tipping, and now we're talking about ageism and the beliefs of the older generation. So it's an interesting segue. Yeah, it is. You know what, guys? Next episode, we're going to be talking about the older generation. You know, our experiences with the older generation via my – like, I can talk about my family. I can talk about older customers I've served. I can talk about just anything, and then Ash can join in or whatever. But that's going to be – I'm going to teach you how to put Granddad in the home and how to bury Grandma. Look, once we get rid of them, we can use the metric system. It's going to be great. It's going to be awesome. Everything will make sense. Granddad's in the home. Grandma's buried up to her neck in dirt. I love my grandparents. I love my family. I can make these jokes. It's fine. It's fine. It's just jokes. I'm not actually going to do that. Yes. Yes. Disclaimer. Disclaimer. Most of the things that we laughed at are jokes. We are not pushing for putting elderly people in terrible retirement homes and burying your grandmother's neck up in the dirt. Unless they are abusive. Yeah, unless they're straight up – Well, no. At that point, just ditch them and wait for them to be on their deathbed, and then you do show up. You show up, even though your friends and other new family will tell you don't. You do go, so you can look Grandpa in the eye, and you can just look at him and say, how does it feel to be dying, you old sack of racist, homophobic shit? And then you pull the plug on him. How does it feel to die? How does it feel to die, Granddad? I won't know that I'm young. I have the immortality idea until I get to the age of 30, and then I realize that the crippling idea of death is looming over me. I'm not even 30 yet. It's coming. It's coming. Reagan, I've already told you my time is very limited anyway. Wait. You better watch out. You better watch out. You better watch out. You better watch out. Imagine you're there. Your boss is next to you. It's the holiday season. It's hectic. You've got customers everywhere, and your boss just starts singing a Christmas song. Oh, you better watch out. You better watch out. You better watch out. It just gets slower and deeper. I have traumatized a lot of my associates. Not me, though. I'm immune. Well, one of them isn't. I made her experience the existential dread of her existence the other week. Oh, my God. I was so proud of that. All right, guys. We've hit 37 minutes on this episode. I think this is a pretty good episode. I really enjoyed having Ash here with me. It was actually very chill, very – it felt natural. So, hopefully – well, not hopefully. You're going to be here next time because, obviously, next time we're talking about old people. So, do I have to be there because I'm the oldest one? Yeah, you have to be here because you're old. I'm officially a grandfather. I've been promoted from dad to granddad. Poppy Grocery Store. Papa Grocery Store. Papa Grocery Store. I've been – I guess that's a demotion. I was the devil of the grocery store. Now you're Papa Grocery Store. Now I'm Papa Grocery Store. Oh, no. That is a massive downgrade for me. All right, guys. So, this episode is going to be published in a group of three. The album will be titled Season 1. So, yeah, thanks for listening to the first episode of Season 1. Thank you, Ash, for being here and agreeing to just talk with me. It's a decision I will think about as I'm trying to go to sleep tonight. I just think about this wonderful 38 minutes that we were talking. Oh, I'll never get this time back. I know. It was actually a joy to talk about this, and thank you for having me on here. All right, guys. See you all later. Bye. Goodbye.
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