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A group of teens travel through rural Texas and encounter a creepy family who hunt and kill people. The movie is inspired by real-life serial killer, Ed Gein, who collected body parts and had a disturbing obsession with his mother. The movie highlights the relationship between the killer and his mother, reflecting Gein's own upbringing. The family in the movie also includes inbred members, adding to the horror. The teens face a terrifying fight for survival. Oh yeah, I was just giving some space, Blanket. Yeah, we know. Intro music, beginning, da-da-da. Okay. Hello, everyone. Welcome to True Horror Tales Unveiled Reality, very first podcast episode. Once a month, we come together to explore the chilling intersection between horror films and true life horrors. In each episode, we dissect and compare the eerie parallels between cinematic scares and the actual events that inspired them. My name is Elle, one of your hosts, joined alongside with... Hey, my name is Steven. I love and I hate scary movies, and I hate them because they're so scary, but I love them because of the thrill of them. Hey, my name is Richard, and I really hate gory and bloody movies. All right, before we begin, viewer discretion is advised. This discussion contains spoilers and graphic descriptions from the movie. If you prefer to avoid such content, please proceed with caution. All right, guys. Today's movie pick is the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2003 classic horror movie. In this horror movie classic remake, a group of five teens are traveling through rural Texas to get to their concert. While on an isolated road, they almost crash into a woman. They decide to stop for her, but along the way, something horrible happens. They stop at a gas station to get help. As they wait for the sheriff, one of their friends goes missing. They end up being hunted by a creepy family supported by a deformed freak psychopath chainsaw killer who wears masks made of human faces. Will they survive? Okay, I'm getting there. So, before we begin the movie and talking about... Wait, no. Before we get into the movie discussion, let's talk about who inspired this film. So, for the Chainsaw Texas Massacre, a big factor in inspiring the film was a man named Ed Gein. So, Ed Gein was a serial killer who would collect body parts and have them around his home. So, one thing about Ed Gein is that he grew up with a very highly religious mother. He said women were vessels of sin. She was very strict on him, believed that everything had to do with the devil, so she really isolated them. One thing about Ed Gein is that before killing his victims, one of his first victims is supposed to... You got it, you got it. Okay, okay. Him and his mother... I'm talking to you. I'm talking to you. Cut. Go. Him and his mother had a very isolated life, especially after the death of his brother, which is his supposed first victim. One day, there was a big, huge fire and his brother was found... No, him and his brother went into a field to help get rid of the fire, but after a couple hours passed, his brother was not found. When they found him, he was dead of asphyxiation, so many people believe that his first victim was his brother. But unlike in the movie, he didn't kill his victims with a chainsaw. He preferred his hands. You're talking about Ed Gein, though, right? Yes, yes, yes, it is. Okay. I just want to point out that I have no background information on Ed Gein, I have no idea who this is. Steven, we know, but we don't have to say it. I know, I guess I have to say it. Okay, well, yeah, I don't know who he is, so go ahead. Okay. For most of his life, he lived isolated, but after the passing of his mother, he began to venture out a little bit. He would rob graves, steal body parts, and decorate his home with skulls, bones, and even have furniture made out of skin as a shrine to his mother or a... Okay, regardless. His ultimate goal was, you know, to kill a bunch of women to make a woman's skin suit to become his mother. Police? He was caught? No. Okay. Amazingly, he was caught by the police after... I don't know. Didn't he also... I don't know. He preserved his mother's room, right? Becoming more obsessed with her? Mm-hmm. That's why he would collect all that stuff and all the bones and skulls. So, yes, he was a serial killer and all this stuff, but, you know, after killing one victim, he was caught. After killing one of his victims, he ended up getting caught because of his connection to her. So, he had killed one of his victims. After killing one of his victims, he ended up getting caught because of his connection to her. So, he had killed someone that he was familiar with or was the... Who was she? She was, like... This is why I thought... Are you talking about Warden? No. So, Ed Gein, right? Mm-hmm. The reason he was caught is because he had killed somebody's wife or... I don't remember. Someone's... Somebody that was, like, in charge of a store in their town. So, that's why he got caught. I read that he got caught because the police discovered Warden's body in Gein's home. With other... How about you explain who that is and all that stuff? That's all I know. Oh, my God. I thought you, like... Okay. From what I read, the guy discovered his... They discovered Warden's body in Gein's home with other, you know, body parts that he cut off from people. And then he confessed to grave robbing... Oh, here's that book. Yeah. Okay. It was... Warden is a woman... Okay. So... After, you know, going on a killing range or whatever that is... I know. So... He grew up with the mother. Collected things from the grave. Ended up killing... Okay. So, basically, he ended up killing, like, a bunch of people in real life. He was a serial killer. Let's say he was a serial killer. Had a very obsessive religious mother, very strict on him. He killed many people, but he was caught because, in 1957, a hardware store owner named Bernice Warden went missing. And she was very known in the town. And they knew that he knew her in some type of way. So, after... He was the last person to go into the store. So, that's how the police were, like, able to find him. Because they were, like, well, who was the last person to see him? So, they went to his farm. They found her body. And as they were investigating his home, they saw many, many, many body parts. At least... Well, especially body parts found from numerous women. At least nine female generals were found. Yeah, that's disgusting. Yeah. So, one thing about that is that... What he said, he said that most of them were from his race. But many people believe that those were people he killed. But it couldn't be fully investigated because most of them were just body parts, but not full body parts. Does that make sense? Yeah, it wasn't a full person. Yeah. So, it was just, like, body parts. And then he just kept saying that they were from the race, but that's why. So, that's a little bit about him. Yeah. He expressed a desire to want to become his mom. So, going back to, I believe, what you said earlier, with him getting all the body parts and then basically pretending to be his mom. And then fantasizing her. He grew up in a clearly bad house. Yeah, and I think that has a lot to say about what shows in the movie and what it relates to and how it comes together. Well, one thing, like I said earlier, how Richard said that his thing was about his mom. So, many people believe that their relationship was incestuous. It was like son and mother relationship, but more romantically. Because she was trying to shape him into the best godly man. And telling him that all women are bad. Like, everything was a sin. And, yeah. So, we kind of see that relationship in the movie, I think, with that killer in the movie. Yeah, and once we're at the end, it shows it a lot more. Yeah. You know, one thing I see that is... So, you know that scene where all the family members are in the living room. Erin is passed out on the floor. She's just passed out in general. So, Erin is passed out and she starts to wake up. Is she passed out or is she waking up? Yeah, she was passed out waking up. Yeah, she was passed out. So, Erin is passed out. She's waking up. And she sees all these people around her. Including the sheriff, which turns out to be one of the family members. And the mother, you know, calls her son. And you continuously see people in the film saying, he's just a boy. Like, this isn't his fault. Like, this is the way he is. So, you see, like, the mother even saying that, like, oh, this poor baby, you know. Even though he's a grown man, killing people along the way. People along the highway. Yeah, even during the movie, he's fantasizing his mom and getting, like, babied by her. In the movie, I don't think he, like, says that much about her, you know. He doesn't say it, but you can kind of see what's happening if you know the context. Like, tell me a scene that you're thinking about. Like the one you just mentioned, how they're all in a bed. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one, yeah. That's the only time you really see him with his mom. I don't think you really see her any other times. I think in the movie, it's not as much. But, like, maybe, like, I haven't seen too many of the other films. But I know that the mothers always play a big, huge part in, like, the way they react. Whoever is the... Basically, their upbringing. ...infant killer is at the moment. I feel like it's usually, like, their upbringing, you know. Like, you know, when they have, like, trauma. And then they become, like, some kind of crazy person, insane. But you can see, like, in the family, like, most of them are, like, not cross-bred. But, like, what would you say, like... I think they are, actually. I think they're not cross-bred. Especially the little kid who shows up later. Yeah, he might be. Oh, yeah. The little kid, yeah. He's with the family with the mom hiding. He's with the family with the mom hiding in, like, the corners. And then he sees... Oh, yeah. He sees them going up to the house, right? Yeah. He sees who? He sees the little kid. He sees them going up to the house. Doesn't he try to warn them or something? I feel like he did. Didn't he? No, that's later. Like, that's another thing. Oh, okay, okay. I think you're talking about when they're in the windmill. That wasn't a warning. He was just doing some creepy shit down there. This movie correlates a lot more to him cutting off body parts. Yeah, I think that's kind of where we get the first of it. When... One of the first scenes, we see the basement for the first time. When they pull the boyfriend into there. What was his name again? Okay, so we see, like, the chainsaw killer So, Ed Gein is basically, like, portrayed as the chainsaw killer? No, no, no, no. It's like, there's some things that the Texas chainsaw killer has that Ed Gein also has. Like, they have similarities, but they're not exactly the same. The chainsaw killer kills with a chainsaw, but they both are very devoted to their mother, right? Yeah. They have, like, this weird incestuous connection. So, she is very, like, protective of him, but, like, almost in, like, Oh, he's, like, this person is mine. Not, like, you know, like, I, like, he... How would you describe it? Like, she's just very, like, oh, I need to... Like, very, like, protective of him, but, like, in a weird... Yeah, yeah. It's just in a weird way. Yeah. So, alright, so, overall, like... No, but I can get to finish what I was saying. So, like I was saying earlier, so, I think about Ed Gein is that Morehead said that he decorated his home with, like, skulls and skin. Like, he had furniture made of skin. He had skulls and bones hanging around his home. So did the chainsaw killer in the movie. When we first see the basement for the first time, and he takes Aaron's boyfriend in there, hangs them up, the whole basement is decorated with, like, body parts. I don't even know if it's decorated, but definitely because he hangs them, hangs up bones and, like... Oh, like, also in the movie when they hang up, when he hangs the person. That's... Okay. That's not for decoration. That's to get their skin off. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. But, like... Okay. Yeah, but does that relate to that? Or do you think, like, that's what they're trying to say in the movie? I'm thinking, like, Ed Gein is clearly... The movie is clearly inspired by him. It's not, like, a direct one-for-one, like, copying what he did. But it has the same backstory, essentially. All right. Okay, so... Can I finish what I'm saying right now? Yeah, yeah, go ahead. No, I'm not going to. Go ahead. I left the pause so you could say something, but... But I was literally comparing it, and then you say something else, and it's like... I didn't even get to finish what I was saying, like, because we're comparing the real guys. But, okay, go ahead. No, go ahead. Oh, you can say your part, and then we can edit it. We can move it around. No, I don't even know what I was saying. Like, I keep losing my train of thought. But go ahead. Y'all go, like, say something else. Like, what's next? I was just going to say, like, what was your favorite, like, scene, or, you know, the actual movie, you know, about it. What was your favorite scene, Richard? Or was there something that you liked about it, I guess? Personally, I didn't think any, like, one scene was good. I think all of them are kind of gruesome. I disliked them all. They're all gruesome. I do like the ending part, but I'll save that for later, to be honest. That's my favorite part, too, the ending scene. Like, the scene where she, where Erin, like, what did she do? Oh, my God. She recreates the beginning of it, and then she hops in the car, leaves. Yeah, I put it, I typed it down there, but it's not there anymore. Okay, never mind. But the scene where Erin ends up at the gas station, and because of the, so the truck, so Erin is on the highway. A truck driver passes by. He picks her up and is like, are you okay? Are you okay? What's wrong? And she's like, I need to get out of here. Like, I just want to go home. And then she sees a sign from the beginning of the movie, and she recognizes where she's headed, so she's like, no, no, no, and then kind of tries to, like, swerve the truck, but she, like, fails, and they end up at the gas station, and he's like, this girl's crazy. Like, he goes into, and then he goes, the truck driver's like, I'm going to get you some help. What did he say? Well, he says something, and so he goes into the gas station. The chainsaw killer's family's there. The baby's there sitting with one of the cousins or, like, one of the family members, and Erin sneaks out the truck, goes into the home, steals the baby, and steals a police car by, like, hijacking it and using the wires, and then she runs over one of the sheriffs, so I really like that part because she runs over him twice because she, like, tries to make sure, like, she's actually getting, like, killing him and, like, ending his life for good, and then she yells something that I really like, which we'll insert here. So I think that scene was really good. I liked it, and, like, as she's getting away, like, she's like, oh, yes, like, there's, like, a moment of silence, and all you hear is, like, something, like, the chainsaw screech against the top of the car, and that part was like, oh, like, but then she gets away. Oh, yeah. That's why I like it so much. Like, at the last minute, she's like, she just keeps on driving ahead, and, like, she, like, gets away, and then all you hear is, like, you turn, the camera turns, and then you hear, like, baby crying, and then you're like, oh, she got away, but she got away with the baby. Oh, yeah, and also that's also how the movie started. You remember when we were talking about it, like, the ending scene is basically the beginning scene, how the girl, like, comes up out of nowhere, where she's just like, like, something crazy happened, and she's, like, bleeding, and that's how the ending is, you know. It, like, comes back around, which is kind of crazy. Did you see that, Richard? Yeah, it's basically a recreation of it. Yeah. Pretty good. Except she, like, didn't, she ended it. She ended that scene. Yeah, and then she actually went over him again, which, yeah, yeah, it was crazy, but, yeah. I think that's the first time in that movie that something actually went good for them. Most of the stuff I saw was, like, don't do that, don't do that, and, like, I was really starting to get pissed off, but what scene did you feel, like, the most afraid in? Like, what scene made you really scared? Jump scares included. Do you have one, Stephen? I have one, but, like, go ahead. What scene do I feel is most, what I'm most afraid of? Oh, okay. I think the most where it's, like, I think it's where it was, like, there was a bunch of tension where Aaron is hiding in the corner, and the killer is coming around, and he's looking for her, and it goes quiet, and then all out of nowhere, like, and he grabs her, and he's, like, huge, and it's, like, a crazy scene, and I think it just scared the hell out of me. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, and then the friend is in the closet. Yeah, and that scene just scared me silly. That was kind of traumatizing, just him popping out of nowhere. Right, you remember that one? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and then with the guy that's hanging on the hook, which is insane, but, yeah, that's, like, yeah, that was one of my, that was the scene that was, like, most scariest to me. Mm-hmm. How about you? Oh, I think, like, for Ed Gein, I don't know, like, so he lives in a farm, so obviously he has experience in, like, butchering animals. Yeah, because he lives in, like, Wisconsin, right? Yeah. Do you know where the Texas came from? Okay, so the Texas comes from another guy who went on a killing spree in Texas, and it's actually called Texas Massacre, the Texas Massacre. That's another guy. Loosely around, based around Ed Gein, basically. No, that's another guy. Yeah, oh, yeah. Well, that's, like, I don't know, I don't know what the Texas Massacre is, but it's, like, No, duh. So Richard asks, where does the, so why did they choose Texas, is what he's saying, basically. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. If Ed Gein's originally from Wisconsin, why is the movie based in Texas? Is there any reason, or? Yeah, there is a, okay, so there's two reasons. The first one is, like, I don't know, like, I don't know what the Texas Massacre is, based in Texas. Is there any reason, or? Yeah, there is a, okay, so there's this other guy. So the reason it's kind of based in Texas is because of a guy named Elmer, Elmer Wayne Henley. So he's another serial killer, but he's more in, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay, so you asked why is Texas Chainsaw Massacre, like, based in Texas and not, like, in Wisconsin, like, Ed Gein. This is because the film was also inspired by another killer named Elmer Wayne Henley. And so he killed up to, like, 85 people plus. And him, he had a similar, he had a similar, like, Ed Gein. So his mask was also made of human skin, but they called him Leatherface, just like in the film Texas Chainsaw Massacre, right? So that's, he's another guy that inspired the film because he also killed with a chainsaw. Okay, gotcha. So that's why, like, it's two guys who inspired the film, you know what I mean? So, like, Ed Gein and the other guy. Okay, so can I ask you a question? Or are you still going? No, just go ahead. All right, I was going to ask, so what was your favorite character? Anybody. Personally, I'm going to have to say the little kid. He tried saving everyone. Yeah, the little kid. So when we were talking about, wait, can I say something? So when you say, like, the little kid is your favorite character, I wouldn't say he's my favorite, but he is in one of my favorite scenes. I mean, in one of my scariest scenes. So I do like him because in that scene he is kind of like, like, helping them. So he's kind of like the hero in the scene, so that's why I like him also. But he's also in the scariest scenes because, so remember in the scene where, like, Erin is in the basement, and she sees one of her friends, the guy with the glasses, and he's in the tub, and she helps him out. But one of his legs are hurt, so they're limping, and she's like, I need to get out. And little did he know, like, the other face is peeking through the little hole. So the little boy pops out of nowhere, and he's like, well, let me help you guys out, like, come follow me. It's okay, you can trust me, like, come with me. And she's like, well, let's go. And they're kind of, like, I wouldn't even know how to describe this type of, like, basement. Because it seems like a dirt hole, like a tunnel, like a dirt tunnel, with wood on it. And so, like, the little boy is, like, helping them run away. So I think that scene was really scary because, like, he was literally, the leather face was, like, so close to them running out with a chainsaw. So I really thought, like, one of them was going to die or get really hurt. And I was also scared for the little boy. He was like, he's not going to hurt me. Like, he wasn't too worried about himself. Like, he was worried about them. So I think that's one of the scariest scenes because I got really scared. Because he got really close to one of them at some point. And when she's, like, climbing up out of the hole, out of the trap door, when she's climbing out of the trap door, you can see that, like, he was really close to getting hurt. But the little boy at the end, like, ends up, like, biting him, I think. Yeah. Yeah, the little boy ends up biting him, and I think that's something that I really liked. But I was really scared about it because, like, I was worried about the little boy. But also, like, you know, there were multiple times where he could have gotten them. The leather face could have gotten them and killed them. I thought the little boy was going to lead them into, like, a trap or set them up. Mm-hmm. And then he ended up, like, helping them out, actually looking out for them. Mm-hmm. What's the time, David? Oh, 27 minutes? Oh, my God. We obviously needed to talk more about the video. I mean, we can always move the part. Yeah, we can move the part. It's fine. Yeah. But we talked about it now. We'll just move it toward the beginning. Mm-hmm. Should we ask? Okay, should I ask questions about, like— No, I think we could just, like— I didn't know there was two killers. Yeah, there was. So I think that's one thing we should talk about. Two, I guess? Yeah, because that's the point of our whole podcast, basically. Like, our prologue. But that's why we should have done more research, like— I did research about Eggman after I was just at uni. Yeah. No, there's another guy, but, like, when you ask, like, oh— What did I say his name was? I remember I wrote it down. I think it was Freddy Cabana. No. All right, so we should also say that— Should we give the outro, then? Should we give the rating scale? I think we're good there. Do we want to add any more? Or should we just talk about what does this movie say to us? Are you waiting for the end? No, like, we're supposed to— I mean, we don't have to add the other guy. I mean— Okay, that's what I'm looking up now. But, like, we did add a little thing about him. We added a little thing about him. But, basically, the movie is, like, a little, like, off of— like, loosely based on a couple murders slash serial killers. Yeah, like, they have, like, certain things that each other— like, they have certain— I inspired the movie, basically, and, like, what they put in it is, like, kind of, like, from real life—those real life events and those serial killers. So, it's, like, basically from who, basically, not in— So, yeah, from what and who, because the killings that happened and how it happened. And then, also, the killers, like, Ed Gein and the other guy that you were talking about earlier. I think the backstory is on Ed Gein, and then, like, the killing itself is on the other murderer. Henley, yeah, the other guy. Yeah. Yeah, I think so, too. So, it's, like, a mix of both, guys. Yeah, so, how close do you think it actually is? Like, how accurate do you think it is? Yeah, when compared to the actual events and when compared to the movie, like, how accurate do you think the depictions are from the killings and the murders and, like, what actually happens? Oh, yeah, yeah, on a scale of one to five. Based on our own rating scale of Fresh Tomatoes— Don't—just say that sentence. Don't make it overcomplicated. Yeah, so, we're rating how true it is compared to the actual thing. So, based on one to five, one being nowhere near close to the real story and five being the most accurate when compared to the, like— It's, like, it's on point. Everything's, like, perfectly remade. Like, remade. Yeah, it's remade perfectly. So, what do y'all think? For this specific one, the 2003 version, I would say maybe, like, a two and a half or, like, almost a three. Okay, for this specific 2003 film of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I would say a three just because of, like, how the home looks, like, the area. It's very similar to, like, how Ed Green—Ed Gein grew up in, like, a similar environment. The things that he had around his home, like, in the basement. But he didn't have a big family, so that's one thing that the movie doesn't have the same. Like, in the movie, like, it shows up that Leatherface has a big family, but in real life, Ed Gein only had his mother and his brother. So, there's a difference there. But I think something—when it comes to, like, similarities, they do have some. They do have a couple that will stand out to you and remind you of Ed Gein or of Henley. Yeah, I think I would also give it, like, a—maybe, like, a three because it also includes the other killer who almost has, like, the same story almost, and, like, the Leatherface aspect of it is kind of, like, too accurate. I think it's, like—yeah, I give it a three and a half for sure. I think it's really—I think it's pretty accurate. So, basically, what I just said? No, I give it a little more. I give it a little more because of the actual story. Because of the actual mask of, like, real human face, which is insane. I might be too generous, but I think it's a four out of five, to be honest. The backstory is all there, all the fingers and everything, and then it's based on two killers. So, you can't be 100% accurate, but it's being as close as it can with two killers. Yeah, oh, yeah. Also, based on, like, what it actually shows, like, does it actually show them cutting, you know— Like, if he slashes somebody or if he kills somebody, does it actually show? Yeah, they showed everything. They did not, like, hesitate to show. They didn't hold back. They did not hold back. Yeah. They were showing everything. Oh, yeah. Also, the movie was, like, really—the whole movie was, like— Gory? Yeah, it was, like, super gory, and, like, it also, like—it was, like, kind of, like, slimy everywhere. It was, like, grimy. It had a vibe to it, like, you know. I don't know. It was, like, a different type of nasty. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think they, like— They don't shower. They're just sweaty. But, yeah, they don't because they're stuck in the middle of nowhere, so they really can't. So, yeah, it is pretty accurate. Accurate? Were you guys going to change your rating, or are you sticking with a three and a three and a half? I'm going to stick with a three. Yeah, because if it's a five, like, we can say that, oh, yeah, this is exactly what happened. This is true. You should be scared of this movie, and maybe you should watch it. I mean, the movie did start with saying it's based off true events. Okay, would you recommend this to somebody else? Would you recommend this movie to somebody else? Yeah, I would recommend it just because it's not too long of a movie, but you kind of get, like, the whole idea of it. Like, you don't need someone to explain to you what's happening. You can understand it on your own. Plus, there's multiple films, so they can keep watching it if they want to know more about the story or, like, how other people have done it. But other than that, like, it's not a horrible movie. Like, it still has good scary scenes. It just gets you mad when, like, the same thing as all scary movies, like, when someone does something that you wouldn't do. Yeah, exactly. So, like, from one to five, like, how scary would you say this movie is? Overall, I think it would be, I'd say a three and a half still. What about you, Richard? Do you think this movie is, like, how scary? For scary, I'd give it, like, two. I don't think it's that scary. I think it's more nasty than scary. Yeah. Like, you need a stomach to watch it. Definitely. For scary, like, for me, I would say it's, like, I would say it's also a two because it's not as scary because you kind of know when things are coming. There's not many jump scares, also. But the jump scares are good when, um, some of the jump scares are good. Like, that scene in the closet where she's hiding, where Aaron is hiding, that scene was good. That one did scare me. And the chasing scene, that one was scary. But the other ones were a bit predictable, so you know what's happening. So it's not as scary, so you're prepared for it. But, yeah, it is pretty corny. To be honest, I think it's more of, like, a nail-biter, to be honest. Because he, like, you know how he pauses with the chainsaw, almost like, you know what I mean, like, while she's running away. Yeah, and then you kind of see where he's at. He's, like, revving the chainsaw up and he's making all that noise while she's getting chased and he's cutting through everything while she's, like, running through everything. So, yeah. I like the movie. I like the movie. It's a good movie. It's a great movie. We recommend it. For sure. No, like, it's not a horrible movie, but it's a good, decent movie. Would you already watch that? This is my second time, or my third time watching it. So I kind of knew what was happening. I just didn't remember much of it. Would you, Steven? I'd probably not, just because, yeah, it's kind of nasty, so I'd leave it there. Yeah, I think it's good for a one-time watch. The second time around, I don't know. It's a good thriller, but I don't think it's a horror movie. Yeah, I think so, too. Yeah. So, should I do the outro now? Outro? Yeah, I guess we should go ahead and add the outro. Is there anything, any last statements that you want to add? I might just be a hater, but I kind of, I wouldn't recommend it. Yeah, okay, go, tell us why you wouldn't. I don't, it's, because, I'm, like, I'm on the edge of my seat the whole time. It's a good movie, but I think it has too much gore, and it takes away from the actual plot. Yeah. And there's not really much happening, except, like... The killing. Yeah. Yeah, okay, yeah, I agree, I agree, I agree. You think some of the other versions might be more accurate, is that what you're saying? Probably. Yeah. Or better. Yeah. Better depictions. Mm-hmm. I think the movie itself, um, is, is... I don't know, but... You're acting like it the whole time. The people just kept doing dumb things. Oh. Like, you just want to drive them through the screen and smack them, basically. Yeah. Tell them where to go. Yeah, okay, so one thing about the scene is, like, so one thing about the movie is, like, it does, like, piss you off a lot, because then you're just, like, why didn't you just, guys, like, you guys could've, you guys should've left when the two guys were saying, let's leave, let's leave, let's just, let's go ahead and leave, and then they voted on it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course the guy's gonna go on his girlfriend's side and say, you know, let's stay, let's wait for the sheriff. And you could tell from the beginning, like, it was sketchy. And they still decided to stay. Do you think it marginalizes, like, that, like... What am I talking about? That type, we're not doing that type of analysis. Oh, okay, okay. I think she's fair for going back, though, for him. Because I think if I was in her shoes, I would also go back. Really? Wow. If my girlfriend was left back there, I'd at least try to check or something. I want the friends to leave, though, leave her. Definitely, yeah, yeah. The friends, it doesn't make sense for them to stay. They can go. For a homegirl checking on her own man, I feel like that's fair. Okay, for me, it's like, I would want my friends to leave, because how am I gonna leave, too? Will they come back? Or are they waiting in the car or something? I would want all of us to live together. But you're right, like, her going back to her boyfriend is good, but better, it was like, it was good because, like, she went with someone, you know, with the other friend. But I wish it would have been more, like, I wish she wouldn't have fallen in for the first time. So that scene where, like, where she helps the, what was that guy's name, the wheelchair student? Let me see. Okay, so. Monty. There we go. Old Monty. Old Monty. Old Monty. Okay, yeah, Old Monty. So the scene where she's trying to help him up the toilet, I think she was, like, really naive in that scene. Because, um, she doesn't think anything wrong of it. She doesn't think anything wrong with it, especially since, like, I mean, I don't know why she didn't see anything wrong with it, because, like, he was groping her butt. And that was very, like, uh. That was a red flag. That was a red flag from the beginning. And he kept, like, messing with her, like, if he's not getting up, I would have, I would have, if I was gonna try it for real. I was trying to help this man up. If he didn't get up between the first and second chance, I'm giving up. I'm leaving him in the ground. He can get up by himself. He's been in there for a long time. I'm gonna go check on my boyfriend, because, like, he hasn't been responding back. Um, you know, he's just creeping around the house. It's not his. You know, something could be wrong. That was one of the scenes that got me angry. She just kept doing it. Yeah, and I think this movie is, like, very, like, sexualized. Like, all the scenes where she's running, like, her boobs are out. So I think that was very, like. So when you were saying, like, oh, you wouldn't recommend this to anybody, maybe that, too, would be another recommendation, is that, like, it over-sexualizes, like, these characters. So you're not really, like, yes, you're scared of what's happening, but also, like, uh, you're saying too much of something that doesn't need to be there. Yeah, not only was Old Monty sexualizing it, but so was the sheriff when he got to the van. Yeah, I feel like those creepy vibes were just not good. Yeah. Do you side with anybody with this movie? What do you mean, side with? Like, do you, do you take, like, is there, like, a side that you take on? Like, who? Not the families, definitely. Yeah. Yeah, like, who, whose side do you take on with this one? You know, when the guy was, like, first, like, oh, yeah, we should leave and, you know what I mean? Like. So, like, explain it, explain it, like, explain it. Like, do you support his decision? Whose decision, who's decision? Uh, the main guy, uh, what's his name, uh, you know, when he was like, oh, yeah, Lerner, we just gotta, we gotta, he's listening just to his girlfriend because she's saying, yeah, we have to help them and the other guys, like, no, we should leave. Who do you side with? In the scene, we're at the, when they're at the windmill and the friends are discussing. Like, if you were realistic, you would be like, oh, yeah, we should leave. Like, if you were realistic, you would be like, oh, yeah, should we help this guy or should we just leave and, you know. I'm explaining it in a more better way because the people who listen to this podcast don't know what's happening. So, I'm trying to explain what you just said more like. Oh, you didn't watch the movie. Yeah, but now you, like, said it, so, like, say how you feel. I don't, I don't remember what I was saying, though. I forgot because I, like, you said it as I was saying it. Who do you side with? Who do you feel for? Who's basic, who are you agreeing with? Okay, you guys answer that. Like, are you talking, Stephen, are you talking about the, like, when they drop the body, should they just drop the body and leave or? You have to explain the scene because the people, like, the imaginary period, people that are listening to this don't know what you're talking about. So, you have to explain the scene, what's happening, and then ask the question. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This has to be the last question. Yeah. I don't have any more. Well, ask the question. Ask this last one. We, we should have just finished with the ratings. That's what I thought we were doing. No, we can just move it to that. We'll move it to, yeah. Okay. Do you want to ask the question, Stephen, or? No, go ahead. Elle, you got it. I think you'll put it better than me. I think I just, I just, you know, messed it up. Go ahead. Say it. Say it. Like, say, like, in the. I lost where I was at, so I forgot. In this scene, whose side do you choose? Like, describe the scene that you're talking about. And I think that's what. Stephen, you're supposed to. Okay. Are you not going to ask the question anymore? No, I'm good. No, no, that's it. Yeah, that's it. Is that everything we finished? Okay, so I'm going to do the outro. It's the outro. Okay, I'll do it, whatever. You're just at it, I'm saying. No, I'm not, yeah, I'll do it. Just like, be like. Who, me? Right, this is the end of the episode. Thank you guys for joining us. Can we say it all together at the same time? No, one of us, two of us, and then we. All right. Okay, I'll just do it, whatever. Okay. What did I just say? This is the end of our podcast. Thank you, everyone, for joining us. We hope you liked it. We'll see you next time.