Affirmative Action

The conversation revolves around affirmative action and its impact on hiring practices and diversity in different industries. The speakers discuss the historical context of certain professions being predominantly occupied by certain races and the need for affirmative action to address inequality. They also touch on the idea that different cultures tend to stick together and support each other economically, while the black community often lacks this unity. The conversation ends with a discussion about societal expectations and stereotypes related to black men and women. Hello, hello. Welcome back. This is Black and Tan. This is Guided News. Hope everybody's interested in this new topic. We're going to be referring to affirmative action. Let's go. Tom, let's start with you, baby. Okay. I've listened to candidates talk about they want to get rid of affirmative action. I've heard Vivek Ramaswamy talk about it on the campaign trail. And I don't believe that you can get rid of affirmative action. He thinks you can. And I think it would hurt that people won't get hired. And when you say people, refer to the people of color, meaning black? Well, you could say, well, if it's basically hurting the black community, because let's face it, I mean, every other race basically gets hired, okay? When you say every other race, though, what are you referring to? Just the white man? You mean Asian people? No, I mean, forget about Asians. You're never going to see it. This is all about, like, in construction and stuff. You don't see Asians in construction sites working. Because they're too smart? Or they're just not known for their strength? They're very weak, physically. No. It's because that's not the culture that they're in. Everybody has a culture. Everybody has a lane. So let's talk about back in the 60s or whatever. You know, you see mostly you're in the labor unions in construction that build bridges and this and that. It was mostly, you know, it was mostly white people. White people, yes. A thousand percent. But that's because the white man that controlled the contract hired people of his own interest. Yes. Yes. So a lot of them were, you know, their own relatives were hired or friends were hired. You know, let's go back where you were born in Boston, for instance, in the police force back in the day, wasn't it? You know, mostly Irish people, right, that were hired in there. And it was their, you know, my grandfather was this, my father was a captain, I was a lieutenant, you know. Right. But they keep it in the bloodline, in the family. Yes. Yes. And they called that, there was a thing they called that when you would hire your own relatives. I forget what the word is. I don't know the name either. But when we speak of the affirmative action thing, that's basically the federal government telling every company they have to, it's a must. Yes. For every, let's just say, ten white people, you've got to hire one minority. Yes. Okay. Which sucks, you know, for, you know, if you're a minority and you come into a workforce that you know, that everybody in there knows that, you know, everybody, you're in there for a certain reason. Or it's the same thing about, they used to say it in the firehouses and police has, so, for instance, maybe he's talking about, now I just thought of this, maybe he's talking about in this day and age you don't need affirmative action, because if you think about this, in a lot of your cities, have you ever noticed that the captain of the police force happens to be black? That you don't, like, that's just a change of events? Well, a situation, you look at the. I think that the changing of the guard happened already. So, maybe Vivick's trying to say that, yo, the changing of the guard moved, so the head of the snake isn't white anymore. The head of the snake is, now it's run by a black person. Okay. So, with you saying that, the only reason why I'm going to combat it and go against it is this. Yeah. When you look at a town, basically an inner city town. Yes. People are going to be of color, meaning black or Hispanic. Yes. Mexican. So, obviously they started to see that having a white head of that department being police, whatever, doesn't work. So, now they're going to give it a chance where they're going to give the minority that head spot. But we're going to flip it. We're going to go into a company that I work for. I won't name them, but in my office of 35 people, I am the only black person that works in that office. Yes. So, obviously, every day you go to work, you feel like you're an outsider. A hundred percent. Okay. All right. It's very uncomfortable. It's very uncomfortable. I don't see how you could say that because how I met you was at a 50-man card game, and you happened to be the only black person. That wants to spend money. And there was 50 guys in there that worked. 49 of them were all white, and you were the only black guy. I was. So, did you feel threatened? Did you feel like you didn't get along? It's not that I felt threatened, but I only related to one person, and that was the person that brought me, which happens to be you. I didn't bring you. I met you there. Oh, when we first met. Yeah, I didn't bring you. Okay, okay. So, yes, me and you, on the first time we met, you were correct. I just came on a whim. Somebody had spoken of a card game, and I came to it. And it's amazing. I told you that when I was in there, and I was talking to you, and I went in to get some food, and, you know, because I knew of probably 20 people in there, and, you know, people that knew me said, Hey, what are you talking to that moley on for? And I said, I'm talking to him because I can talk to your fucking ass every day. Him, I might not see again. And that's what I told them. And, look, 12 years, 15 years later, me and you are still friends. Very good friends. And I've run you to other card games where you were only a black person, and then card games. See? But that's it. That's it. It's the word of mouth. So, like you say, with Affirmative Action, the majority of the people are white that go to these events, where all of a sudden you decide to just bring that one. Now, granted, yes, me and you are cool, but it doesn't mean I'm going to fit in with all those other people. No. So, with Affirmative Action, they feel the same way, where they're going to have to give some type of opportunity to one person of color for every, let's just say, 25 minutes. Well, like I said, I mean, it came a long way, if you're looking in the cities and all. It did. And then, finally, I'm a firm believer that, you know, the police force doesn't look like the neighborhood, if you ask me. It should have always looked like the neighborhood. So, this way, you know, when something happens to you, you can't, you know, just place it on race anymore, you know? Right. You can say, Hey, you know, the cop fucked up. You know? Of course. But as we speak about this Affirmative Action thing, if we've always gone the way it's been, meaning prior to the Affirmative Action law where you have to hire, most of these companies would actually just be of their own color, meaning Chinese would hire Chinese, white would hire white. Well, the Chinese hire Chinese now. They still do that. There ain't no Affirmative Action going into Chinatown. I don't disagree with that. Right? And nobody ever questions it. But I feel like those people are self-owned. That's right. They get government assistance. You got it. Well, they probably get government assistance. I don't know. But they're in their own community, let's just say. I don't know. Hey, listen, man, you know, let's go this way. In New York, and I think I told you this before, that the Diamonds, the Diamonds on Diamond Row, or whatever they called it, were mostly Jewish people that owned the Diamond, the whole thing. And all of a sudden, now if you go there, it's Indians and Jews. Right. You know? Right. They let one in, and the next thing you know, boom. But as a people, let's just use the example you're giving. As a people, the Indians have been able to become smarter and want to grow. Now, one thing I will always say about my people is this. Nobody allows, what should I call it? Let's just say group growth, meaning you're my brother. I make a million dollars. You should make a million dollars. No, I don't want you to make a million dollars. I want to keep you always underneath me. I don't want to bury you. And I feel like as a black man and growing up in the culture that I grew up in, it's always been the hate factor, meaning I don't want you to have what I have. I want you to have less than what I have. And that might be only with my people. I don't know. I don't know another community. I've never grown up to see what they do. But my people never want to see together wealth, meaning I sell drugs on 10 blocks, but you sell drugs on another 10 blocks. Why can't we just get those 20 blocks together and make money together? No, I've got to make sure you don't make as much money as I make. And I feel like that only happens between us. It's been embedded and educated, and the system has always made us feel like we're against each other. We never do things together where, say, the white man, the China man, the Indian man knows that you own a Dunkin' Donuts. Well, guess what? I own two. Let's put those three together and make money as one. Yes. I feel like that's always – Right. Even though they think that they're outsiders, too. Think about it. Yes. But their culture sticks together. Sticks together. There you go. Yes. Yes. But, I mean, this is kind of going outside the affirmative action thing. But, again, I'm just speaking from a perspective that I've grown up in, meaning black. The separation, where they've always made our women, black women, feel they don't need the black man. Yes. And that hurts. I don't feel like any other culture has to deal with that. Family unity, parental guidance, meaning the father and the mother both raise a child together. But, for some reason, we are raised to not think a family is the best way, meaning the black woman doesn't need the black man. She's trained and brought up to believe you should do everything by yourself. You need no help. No. I think a lot of the black guys are – listen. They like women. Maybe they can't stay with one woman. Yes, but every man loves women. I know, but in that – listen. It's different. You know, the black culture is a black man is hung like a horse. Okay? Lies. So why would – All lies. All lies. So why would you only want to have one horse? You want to spread that horse around, you know? I mean, I put myself in there. If I had like an 80, you know, a 10 or a 12 inch, hey, I might want to give it to other women too, you know? I'm just saying. That's hilarious. I'm just saying. You know, it's these – you know, you have to start thinking as an individual. Stop thinking as a group. Stop thinking as – that you have to listen to somebody else telling you some wrong stuff. Listen, it's the same thing, you know. I don't believe – I believe that we all know right from wrong. Yes. Okay? So you have to make your own choices. As an individual, you do have to make your own choices. Yes. But when you look at the – Affirmative action, you know, they try to – I don't know what it is, dude. They try to get black people to go to work. And I'll tell you this. I learned concrete. I learned it from a black guy in a white neighborhood in the 70s. So, I mean, that's how I got my first thing of construction, you know, how to deal with mud, you know, of concrete. And it was from a black man working in my neighborhood. I don't know how he was working in there because I never seen any black people in my neighborhood, you know. But he was the one. But they were on the outskirts, you know, the neighbors, you know. But like I said, I went to an all-black school. And I, you know, even in my neighborhood, they had the riots going on because, you know, they would pick on – here's the problem, man. You would pick on black people here and then you would retaliate on people they don't even know. Instead of retaliating on the people that did it, you know, no. You retaliate, hey, that white guy, let's get him. So, but which never held me back because I guess I was kind of like – I hear these stories on Larry Bird, right? And Larry Bird used to go play with black people. He never played with white people. He played with black people and they would let him play. But what does that say? Black people were supposed to be better at sports. Yes, and they would let him play. So, for instance, when I land in L.A. when I'm 26, I think it was, and I land in Hawthorne, California, and I was a ball player because I come from Philly and we played everything. We were good at every sport. So, I go over there and I play with two brothers. Next thing you notice, 40 brothers on the court, you know, a couple hours later. I see these blue handkerchiefs. I don't know what that all that shit means because I just land out there. Then you find out later that these are the Crips. So, how does a guy like me get to stay on the court and play with the brothers when they couldn't choose from any of the other brothers? That's how good I was in basketball. But can I ask you this question? Yes. Does that not show you that there's a difference in culture, meaning that we're more acceptant to allow an outside player? Absolutely. Versus if that court was all white and there was just that one black guy that wanted to come play. It depends. It depends on if you had the courage and that boy had the courage to go over there and play, they were probably thinking like, what the fuck? But I don't know. I don't know because some people think in different things. Like you could have took a neighborhood and, yeah, it could have been like that. Yeah, absolutely. I've seen it growing up. I've seen it. So, it's the same thing I tell you about animals, okay? I always say to you, when you go in the jungle, you see gorillas hanging with gorillas. You see lions hanging with lions. Okay. And when that one deer walks by through the lions, okay, you don't think them lions had turned. They go, what the fuck is going on over there? It looks like they attacked the shit out of that deer. That's right. Of course they are. So, my point being is, a black guy goes into an all-white neighborhood and whatever, the white people turn around like, what the fuck? I ain't never seen this guy in here. Same concept as you go into an all-black neighborhood at nighttime or whatever, and you're the only white dude in there. If you ain't buying drugs, you're fucked up. But that's the thing that I'm trying to say. Like when you look at it, so I'm just going to use me growing up as a kid. In Camden, when I got a chance to go out there and hang out, it would be more of the mass of people would be black, Spanish, and maybe you'll see two white people, maybe. But let's just say when you watch the two, what did they used to call them? Mormons, I don't know what they used to call them. But they used to be the two white kids that would knock on your door and ask you to switch your religion. They would never get touched. They would never even be approached, not even heckled. Why is that? I don't know, why? Exactly, because I feel like our culture of people know better. It's been embedded, I keep saying engulfed, embedded that you don't need to necessarily antagonize the situation or feel like these people are here to worsen you. But yet, you look at a white community, and let those two black kids want to be the ones to come in there and say a different type of religion. Ah, you can't say that because Jehovah's Witness comes around here all the time. But you're talking about now. I'm talking about back then. Oh, yeah, back then is different. I mean, now it's a different ball game now. Today I call it skin in the game. When you have none, you're going to commit crimes. You have none. You don't have any skin in the game. Why is it that a black person can move into a white neighborhood? When I say white, when I always say colors or whatever, it's always because the majority is white. How about that? So if you move into the suburbs where you're supposed to live in the single-family homes and you move in, you're more susceptible to move in there where nothing's going to have a problem. And the reason that is is because the people that live here have skin in the game. You understand? It means I'm not going to go out. Now, when I grew up, I would commit crimes because I had no skin in the game. But now I've got skin in the game. I don't feel like going to jail and losing my house, my money, you know, this and that. You had nothing to lose at the time. Yes, exactly. So in the inner city, a lot of people don't have anything to lose. So when they wake up every day and it's the same thing, you walk outside, you see trash, you see this, you see that. Just like me and you watch the Godfather of Harlem, what'd they say? He said, the one guy said to the congressman, why does your people, you know, don't take care of anything or whatever? And he said, because they don't own it. They don't own it. There you go. So when you don't own it, you're not going to invest in it. You don't care about it. No, you don't care. So we've got to get people. But let me ask you this question. With that being said, you and me, right, we don't know each other. Let's just say we're both young, 15, 16, going to get the same job. We're going to pick up trash, let's just say. Okay. We're going to both interview to be a trash guy. Yes. And there's no difference between you and me except that your skin is white and my skin is black. Yes. And we're going to go back into the 1950s, let's just say. That era when slavery was supposed to be abolished and no longer existed. Who do you think gets that job? Me. Exactly. But why do you think you get it and not me? I get it because everybody there is probably on that thing are mostly all white, and I look like them. A thousand percent true. Because, again, America for some reason has been built on the white skin color is the better, more predominant, and able to excel. No. You don't feel that way? No. Why not? Well, because most of the country was white. For instance, if I take 100,000 people from America and we go to China. When you say what America, now America or old America? Well, even old America. All these white people, 100,000 of them invade China and they let them in. Okay? How many jobs are they going to get? When you say invade, though, you're talking about people. When I say invade, I mean, you know, like people come over here and they're invading. So you're immigrating. Yeah. You're like being an immigrant. So, yeah, let's say you go over there. Okay? You think you're going to get a job? Of course not. Why? I don't know. Because you don't look like them. They'll be like, hey, I got a job. But that's the thing, though. You're enforcing yourself into that community. We as black people never wanted to be here. We were brought here. I'm just saying. You know what, buddy? I'm going to tell you something now. Now listen to me a second. Okay? Because now we're way ahead hundreds of years. Okay? So you say that. You say that. You know, we were brought here and we didn't want to be here. And that's fine because back then, yes, nobody knew any better. And you were, you know, somebody was telling you this is what you've got to do or they were holding you by gunpoint. Whatever. But if you look at it today, and this is such a racist country that you're not getting a job, how the hell are we letting all these people that are coming from Africa or these other people that come in, how are we letting, whatever, how are we letting them come in here and we're going to be able to say, how can they get a job where you live here and born here and you can't get a job? But this is the thing, though. If we take it back to the beginning, so supposedly, again, everything that I know and everything that I say is what I've been taught. I do not know if it is true, factual, or the real. But when black people, unfortunately, were slaves and brought into this country to pick cotton. Whatever. And whatever the jobs were, what we were trained and believed that we were made to do. And not worth it, though, yes. We were worth nothing. We were made to believe that our life belonged to the white man. Yes. And you controlled and gave us every opportunity that we've ever been given. That's right. So when you get these immigrants that come into this country, they're not coming in here with a stigma. Yes. They're not stuck believing that this is all that they're supposed to become or do. They just want to get out of the situation that they were in into something better. Now, when I use me, again, as my example of my people, all I'm saying is when they brought us into America, all we were was supposed to bow down to the white man. But you're not looking at something today. Now, listen to what I tell you. Because change your mindset, okay? Forget about how you got here. Think about this. You're not thinking about this. You happened to land here. So these people are going through the struggles of going through all these other countries to get here, right? Right? Yes. You're here. Yes, but they're believed to think that the life in America is better than their life at their home. Well, it is, ain't it? So why don't you train your mind to start thinking that, you know what? I'd rather be in America in this day and age right now than go back to where these people live, okay? So my point to you is start forgetting about that and how do you succeed in America. That's your key. Your key is now to train your mindset to say, hey, man, I'm in America. I'm going to make the best thing that I can in here. So whether that means me going to school, and you've done it, dude. You went to four years of college, and right now you're in a company that don't have probably affirmative action. You're the only white, black guy in there of 35 people, okay? So you don't get along with any of the people in there? It's not that I don't get along with them. It's just the fact that when I say what I'm saying, I look at it as this. I've been brainwashed. Yes. As a kid, I've grown up to believe that I'm not supposed to become better. Now, did I fight that program? Yes. That's right. And how did you fight it? You fought it. I blocked the bullshit. That's right. You blocked it, and you fought as an individual. As an individual. A thousand percent. Don't think like that. I get you. Don't think like that, because we are brought up to always believe we're never good enough to be better. Listen, if you listen to Joy Reid on MSNBC, she'll tell you that black people can't accommodate. Why would you want to work for that white guy? Why would you want to make him rich? Why do you want to do that? Okay, so she can tell you that you don't want to work for that white company, but she's rich and works for a white company. How do they do that? I don't know. They try to flip their narrative. Hey, listen, even though you're black, keep the other black people down, all right? They've got to vote for us. What's the matter with you? Give us one. Come on, man. But that's the thing with our black leaders. We'll look at the Malcolm X's, the Martin Luther King. What happens to them? They're killed. But actually, I was more informed. I didn't know about Malcolm X and all, but now that I understand Malcolm X, I understand what he was talking about, you know, back in the day. Okay. And he realized that it wasn't that all white people were bad. No, they're not. No, it was that the actual cops and the way they were taught to do stuff, okay, and they had this mentality in their mind, because let's face it. Back then when the riots would all happen, you know, look at all your policemen. They were mostly all white. White. Yeah, yeah. Yes. So, you know, you had a big breakthrough. And, you know, we even talk about this, you know, when you get pulled over by a cop and everything. We even said this. You went to jail a few times. I went to jail. I mean, I even resisted arrest. I even went for a cop's gun. But let's face it. If you resist arrest, you're going to get clubbed. It's that simple. And listen, like you said, every individual situation is different, and I do agree with that. And, again, we don't know what happened prior to that gun being pulled and that person being shot. We don't know. Because, of course, the video for some reason only shows the death, the actual execution of a person. But for me, yes, growing up as a kid, have I ever had to personally experience racism? No. I'm going to tell you that as an honest situation from a black man growing up. I've never experienced racism. As a kid, there was a time where I got caught trying to, I guess, undress a woman, and she happened to be white, and have sex with her. And we got caught by her parents. And her parents did absolutely nothing except scold me and tell me that we were wrong, that we were children, and we didn't understand sex. Now, maybe 100 years ago, I would have been hung or dragged down the street. So I don't know. But that was in the times. It's just like people tell me about Mussolini and all. What do I give a shit? I don't care. Why do I care about Mussolini? I wasn't in that time. I don't give a care less. Listen, you know, you tell me about this, you tell me about Hitler. I wasn't in them times. You know, listen, even if my people went through struggles, and when I say my people, I don't view myself as peoples. Of course not. I view myself as an individual. Exactly. So I've got along with every culture because I like cultures. I dated a girl from India for a year. I dated a girl from Brazil. I dated a girl from Uruguay for five years. I like cultures, different cultures. Right, but that breaks you away from the majority. I don't care about majority. I'm an old man. I believe in doing the right thing all the time. Which is why you are a more successful person than the average. Yeah, and I'm not as smart as you. No, but you as an individual thought like an individual and not the majority, and that's a problem. Everybody as a whole, meaning the majority, are controlled, meaning they listen. They watch the media. They listen to what the TV feeds them. They believe everything that you find on the Internet is true. Like that's all I'm saying. Sure. You've got to question things and think outside the box. Well, that's the key. You've got to think outside the box on a lot of issues. And so to get back to affirmative action, I believe that, I don't know, I'm just now I'm in a thing because there is a lot of different cultures. But you've got to realize something too, man. You know, the black culture doesn't want to do certain jobs. Okay. I had a lady that I worked for, I did a job for, and she was from Jamaica, and she opened her own cleaning business. She wanted to hire people that looked like her. She could not get no black people to work for her. Because you know what they would say to her? Why would I want to make you rich? And that goes back to what I was saying. Isn't that crazy? You don't want to grow together. Instead of learning the business and learning how this woman got in the business, that you can go in your own business. And make your own money. No. These people have this whole notion that, so we'll get into other topics on that. But as affirmative action goes, in the time of ages of now, I don't, I really couldn't tell you. I mean. Overall, for me, affirmative action needs to still be in play. Okay. Because it gives opportunities that aren't necessarily there. Now, as you as an individual, if you get hired and you decide that this isn't for you, that's your problem. But affirmative action should still give you that opportunity that you might not have gotten prior to affirmative action ever being in place. Yes. Meaning I might not get a corporate job if it wasn't for affirmative action. Maybe the job that I have today, I might not have gotten because of affirmative action. Without it. Oh, maybe. I don't know. I don't know. When I worked in an office with 35, oh, excuse me, 34 people, and they're all of non-African American descent. Are they, is there any Asians in there? Is there any Indians in there? Once there at one time, there was an Asian person, yes. So what are they? They're mostly all white people in there? Everybody in my office is white. Okay. Yes. Do you feel like they hung around their places that don't include you? I mean, there's times where I definitely feel. So you never hooked up with any of the white people, like with me, and hung out with them and got to know them? As far as my office goes, no. I hang with nobody in my office outside of work. Wow. That's great. I'll be honest with you. Now, have they said, hey, Jay, would you like to go to a happy hour one day or something like that? Yes, of course. That's a company function. That's a company outing. Yeah, yeah, sure. I'm talking about like let's just go catch a game or let's go play some cards or come over to my house and have dinner. Oh, no. No. Well, well, listen. I've never hung out with anybody that worked for me, and I've been in business over 30 years. There you go. Because it's a different atmosphere, you know what I mean? Workers look at what you own, and they're trying to get on your level, which I helped a lot of them go in their own business. Good. Giving them the knowledge. The fact that you're willing to do that is great. I have no problem. I have no problem helping any. Me, personally, I want to see people succeed. I don't care what race you are. Right, but that makes you different. I want to see them succeed. I want to see people have money. I want to see people's money. You think I want to see these crackheads on the street? I was one of them crackheads, but I was able to turn myself around, not from no counseling, because I stopped hanging with the people that were doing that, and I took up a different venue. You understand? Yeah, of course. So you leave the pack of animals, and you go, you know, and I became an individual and made new friends somewhere else. I'm the same way. I'm the same way. That's how you got to be. So for me to go back into my own neighborhood, back where I came from, you could have said my neighborhood, let's face it. In the United States, let's take every state as a country. And I left one country in Philly to come to a country in Jersey. Do I want to go back to Philly to look where I live? Hell, no. What do I care? I'm a different kind of animal than a lot of people. A lot of people live in sentimental this and that. That's not me. I live in realistic times. How am I going to pay my bills? Why does this shit keep going up? The same concept of why we don't pump our own gas. Years ago, I don't know how many years ago, five, six, seven, eight years ago, whatever, they wanted to make this a self-serving station. I happened to be in a gas station, and it was funny that this news channel came in, and I was pumping my gas, you know, in my big dump truck. And they go, hey, hey, they see me pumping gas. They thought I work here. And they said, hey, you work here? I said, no, that Indian guy over there works here. Hey, Singh, Singh, Singh, they want to talk to you. He was like, you don't want to talk to these people. I said, yeah, you don't want to talk to them. You ain't going to understand that guy anyway. What do you want? He says, well, they want to make this a self-serving thing. I said, really? They want to get rid of all these people's jobs? I said, listen, you need me on TV. He said, hey, you want to be on TV? I said, sure. Shoot me over here in front of my truck so I can get free advertisement since I'm going to be on TV. I am not dumb. So I give them 10 minutes of what dialogue should happen in the state, you know, different things that the state can make money that it won't even affect anybody. You know, I even gave them the thing on, you know, like when the gas was down to – the gas should never go under 230 a gallon, okay? So, for instance, if the gas went down to 180, the government should keep that money in a secured fund, okay? So even though it should be 180, the gas station gets that, but the government should get that extra money. It's state. But why do you feel that? I mean, again, go back to our topic. What does that do for the people? Well, it's going to do this for people. It's going to be when there's a fund, okay, and everybody's used to paying 230. Listen, you paid $4 or $5 a gallon. Okay, so 230, if you stayed at that level, 230, and even though the gas was down lower, the government can keep that money and keep it in a stockpile. So they wouldn't have to sit there and raise your taxes. They wouldn't have to – they'd have money, okay? This is how you get stuff – this is how you save money, and then you can use this money for funding later on, and you don't have to go to you and go raise the bridge tolls, raise this toll, raise that one. You understand what I'm saying? Of course. So, for instance, if it was down to 170 and it was supposed to be 230, that would be 60 cents a gallon going into a state fund. You follow me? And as it rose, the state would get less until it hit 230. Once it hit 230, it would break even. But greed plays a part in that, and again – You say greed. Yes, we're going to go back. We're going to get back into this topic again, but again, we're running out of time. But anyway, one more thing. We're running out of time. One more thing. All right. The gas station, when I said that, and I was on the news, and I said, Hey, you want to kill these jobs, then this guy's going to be out of work. And when I said that, and I was animated on TV, they never talked about getting rid of these jobs again. They go so far. Good. That's valid. Exactly. It was common sense. You're going to get rid of all these jobs for people. People are going to be out of work. No government wants to hear that there's going to be job loss. How are you going to get reelected? Kill it. Kill it. All right, good people. Once again, you're listening to Black in Tan, the Sky News. If you like what we're talking about, pass it along. We'll see what we've got next. Stay tuned.