BJJ Executive Podcast - Episode 27 - Open Mat

The speaker discusses the benefits and effectiveness of jiu-jitsu as a martial art. He emphasizes that jiu-jitsu was developed for non-athletes and smaller individuals to have an advantage in self-defense. He also mentions the importance of including self-defense aspects in jiu-jitsu training. The speaker believes that social media can be discouraging as it often showcases only the highlights and not the reality of jiu-jitsu training. He encourages watching videos of jiu-jitsu in action to gain a better understanding of its effectiveness. Welcome to the BJJ Executive Podcast, Open Mat. I'm your host, Dave Kroll. Today's episode is sponsored by PohadaFuel.com, featuring a deep product line of supplements to fill in the nutritional gaps for grapplers and for athletes of all types. Their XS and Nutrilite products are well-known in the industry for the clean and, in many cases, organic origination of their source product. And as a bonus, they're sold and distributed by my friend and a friend of the podcast, Jiu-Jitsu Black Belt, Tristan Gazelle. If you enjoy the podcast and wish to support us, please do so by liking and sharing our content on social media and by leaving a review on whichever platform you're listening from. The BJJ Executive Podcast is proudly partnered with The Mat Mission, a nonprofit 501c3 organization charged with spreading Jiu-Jitsu through communities in need and providing mentorship and leadership to the youth within those communities. If you want to get involved in The Mat Mission, follow our Instagram page, contact us on our website, or feel free to message us directly. As always, thank you for listening and making this a part of your Jiu-Jitsu journey. And as I always say, welcome to mine. Enjoy the episode. I'm pretty confident that fighting is infinite. It's an infinite game. It doesn't matter if you're a Jiu-Jitsu or... I don't know the other martial arts well enough to make the same assumption, but I think there's a reason that Jiu-Jitsu has taken off by comparison and it's because it's got longevity. You can't... Wrestling Sambo, as cool as it is, is an aggressive, fast, explosive sport. The injury rate is higher. Wrestling, same problem. Fast, aggressive, explosive sport. People peak out in their 30s. You just can't maintain that pace. But I don't know how old Helio was when he died, but he was wearing a gi when he died. He was still training. He was changing his game as well. The guys that I learned from down in Florida, they received their black belt from him, but a different era. By the time they started learning from him, he was 70 or 60 or something like that. That's a lot different than his sons and when he was an active fighter. And I never met him, but he did come to the school a couple of times. And the comments that I took away the most from that were that he developed his game even into his 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s to further the ability for a small person who he already was, but now he's frail and weak, to be able to defend themselves. I think we get lost when we're promoting because Jiu-Jitsu is a sport. There's very much the self-defense side, the philosophy side, and all that stuff that's important. But I'm hyper aware of the fact that the civilian inside or the civilian outside looker, the looking in, thinks you have to be some athlete. It's like, no, no, no. This was developed for non-athletes. This was developed for the person that wasn't stronger, wasn't bigger, wasn't faster, and to give them an advantage. And because you see people so obsessed with Jiu-Jitsu's sport, conditioning and lifting and doing all this stuff to be the super athlete so they can keep competing, the outsider thinks you have to be the super athlete to compete. It's just not true. Jiu-Jitsu is for everybody. The 13-year-old girl should be able to use Jiu-Jitsu to defend herself against a 200-pound man and win. The 75-year-old guy should be able to get his blue belt in a year and be effective against a 35-year-old untrained athlete. And that's where I think people miss it. And I do think we do the art of disservice when we don't include that in our curriculum. I agree. I think we need to, especially sports Jiu-Jitsu schools. We go to a sports Jiu-Jitsu school. That's where we train. For me, it's admittedly, it's sports Jiu-Jitsu. We don't teach any self-defense. And I don't think we have to. But I think we should definitely mention the fact that that's different. Yeah, it is different. You've got ultra-athletes, professional athletes. I've said this before. LeBron James would probably give me a run for my money with 16 years of training and a brown belt, but that doesn't mean basketball is a good form of self-defense. Correct. I disagree with you, though. I think you would beat the dog out of LeBron James. If he had a blue belt, I think you'd have a really big problem. But untrained LeBron, you'd be fine. I might be able to defend myself. I could keep the distance. I could probably keep myself from getting punched. I was going to say, he's got long reach and as soon as he over-commits, you'd be in and he wouldn't know what to do when he got to the ground. Go re-watch Gracie's in action. You'll get a new sense of confidence. I agree, man. We had a guy when I lived out in Miami. Plug, it's on YouTube. If you are a jiu-jitsu practitioner and you haven't watched all of the Gracie's in action, you need to go watch it. I want to hear that story, but I think we need to get this in there. We underestimate how effective our martial art is the more we train because we train against trained people. We don't see it in action because we watch UFC or we watch one fighting championships or King of the Cage or whatever. These are elite athletes that have equal skill sets. I don't think we realize how good jiu-jitsu is in a fight until you see it. I know there's lots of YouTube things of people capturing a jiu-jitsu guy, taking down a big guy or whatever, but we really under-appreciate how dangerous of practitioners we are until we watch it. If you haven't, if you're listening to this, go watch Gracie's in action. It'll give you a new sense of confidence. Totally agree. You're going to have to put up with some grainy video and the lack of a gimbal and a camcorder as opposed to an iPhone, but it really is. Some of the key differences in that are that... Is that you? Sorry. That's okay. That's reminding me to go pick up the pictures. That's a good thing to have a reminder of. Yeah. Getting back into the Gracie's in action, some of the key takeaways on that are that number one, who's number one and UFC and whatnot, these are hardcore. No disrespect whatsoever to these guys. I definitely don't want to get on anybody's bad side for this, but it's a rule set. Exactly. You know what I mean? There's so many different things that the rules do. For example, if you're mounted, what's one of the first things that we learn when we're white belts and you have the mount is as you encourage your opponent to roll over and you choke them out. In UFC, half of that is taken away from strikes. You can't strike to the back of the head. You can't touch their spine. There's just so many things that you can't do. You can't even hold on to the cage. You can't hold on to the cage. Yeah, exactly, which is different from UFC 1. I don't know when they started changing this stuff. Right. Anyway, I think sometimes, man, people... Gosh, man, I don't even want to get on this freaking tangent about Instagram, but I could sit and I could watch some of these videos of guys that have done it for a fraction amount of time that have highlighted a video and made themselves to be amazing, and they probably really are. It can be so discouraging. Like, oh, man, my jiu-jitsu's just not like that. It'll never be that. If jiu-jitsu is that, then I don't have it, and so what was this all for? Man, that is a poison pill right there, man. Yeah. No, Instagram, Facebook, social media in general is digital narcissism. Yeah. It's not real. Yeah. And even if you see a cool reel, which I love watching cool stuff on Instagram. Same here. Yeah. I mean, seriously, going to the bathroom is a new animal in 2020. See what I mean? We have gone so far from reader's digest, right? Or just finding the shampoo bottle because you got nothing else to do in there. Oh, wow. Yeah. I didn't know there was this many ingredients in here, but the problem is, is so like I've seen some reels of, like a perfect example. I was in a reel. I'm not going to say who it was. He caught me in a really cool choke. It was cool. I was like, that was cool, and it makes me look like I was terrible because I just let him choke me. Yeah. But actually, I went for a fireman's and he caught me, which you go for a fireman's and anyone, any black belt that goes for fireman's knows it's high risk. Yeah. And I love fireman's because it's cool when you hit it. Yeah, man. But when you lose it, you're either getting crucifixed or choked. Yeah. Every time. And you're also trying to be productive and develop skills. Exactly. And take more risks. Yeah. That's something that I've been doing recently. It's just opening up. You probably noticed when I was rolling the day, it's like, I'm not as conservative as I was. Yeah. I did notice. And yeah, the problem with social media is that it takes all that away and it only shows what you did right. Yeah. And there's no reality to that. Yeah. And I think it will write itself kind of like what TVs did. Unfortunately, I think we're still writing ourselves with TVs, but I think everyone knows they shouldn't watch nine hours of TV a day. I think so. Whereas they were so excited in the 50s, I think 50s, maybe 60s, that they could roll their TV into the dinner room. You know what I mean? Like, oh, we can watch and eat. This is great. And it was great. It was major dopamine overload while you're eating. It's great. But no one in 2023 thinks it's a good idea to watch TV as a family while you eat. Yeah. They just know it's not a good idea. Yeah. So I think we'll get there. Yeah. I hope so, man. I hope so. Comparisons with teeth of joy. Yep. Very common saying, you know, and it's so true. Yeah. We'll literally subscribe to it in our hand all day, every day. A hundred percent. Because I don't want any joy. I'm going to hop back on social media. That's right, man. It's crazy. That's right. What were you going to say in Florida before I interrupted you and told everyone to go watch the Gracey videos? I don't remember what I was going to say. I'm sure it's something that... It was probably profound and I... I doubt it. ...rerouted it. I doubt it. Right. One thing that is, I have talked about this before, but I mean, on the topic of sport jujitsu is that, so I think you know this about me, but I do have a traditional martial arts background. Don't you have a black belt in karate? I have a black belt in karate. Freaking cool, man. I received it in Okinawa. Dude, like, you need to talk about that more. Do you know how few jujitsu guys have anything other than jujitsu, let alone a black belt from a school in Okinawa, Japan? It was a lot of fun, man. Dude, that's so cool. We did traditional sparring, we did a lot of kata, and the way the class would start typically is you would... So I... Naoko helped me find this place. Somebody that she worked with... What years were these? This was in the 90s. Okay. And so I was stationed in Okinawa and Naoko and I were obviously... I think we were dating at the time. And then she helped me find this dojo, literally down an alleyway, and it was an old man named Mr. Miyagi. Shut up. Miyagi Sensei. No, it wasn't. Miyagi is a really common Okinawan name. Shut the front door. I'm not kidding, bro. I'm not kidding. David Kroll got his black belt from Mr. Miyagi in Okinawa, Japan. So true. How is that not in your bio? I don't know, man. I don't know. Maybe it should be. Like, that needs to be on your wall, not your brown belt certificate. Like, you know how few people can say that? I've met a lot of brown belts that aren't impressive. That's a cool story. I'm going to have to dig up some pictures of it. I'm going to start a podcast just so I can interview you about your Okinawan karate journey. I'd be happy to talk about it. I've thought about getting into it. The thing is, it's like... And where I'm going with this is that it's... Like, our class would typically start... We do a little bit of a warm-up. And by warm-up, I mean like some really, you know, out-of-date strategies. You must have been a giant in that class. I was the youngest and definitely the tallest. Without question. For the most part, these guys... I mean, like, martial arts in Japan, with the exception of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, which is crazy. It's its own cataclysm. But, like, the karate schools and the Judo schools and whatnot, like, it is a different environment. You know, it is not like a for-profit organization. This would be more of a, you know, for-good-of-country type of a thing. And so, like... It makes it even cooler. Yeah. We would give a token. I think I paid 5,000 yen, which was about $40, you know, to take classes. We helped clean the dojo. I mean, like, all of those things. Like, things that you probably already know about Japan in general. It applied in the martial arts as well. That's cool. But we would start, once we began our training, by the first kata. And we would work our way up. And as you didn't know anymore, you just start bowing out, you know? That's cool. And as you get all the way through the system that we had, I mean, like... That was... You know, that was the end of it. And then, after that, then, you know, the teacher would tell us, you know, this is the one I want you to work on right now. Or if I didn't know one, or if I was ready to progress to the next one, he would assign somebody to come work with me and teach me the next kata. And then, you know, next thing you know, you're staying longer and longer and longer. And I never experienced this world that has created this bad rap. Like, for traditional martial arts, where we made up things and we made up dangers that didn't exist. Or, like, nobody, literally nobody. I mean, these are guys that have... It's the McDojos that... Or Kai Ru Ren 3000. I mean, they make up stuff. But if you look at... Mikaela got her black belt in Taekwondo. And her goal was to get it before she was 10. And everyone was like, it's not a real black belt because she's only 10 years old. I'm like, she mastered the curriculum. No one's saying she's dangerous. Now, I wouldn't want her to punch me in the face because she's good at it. She can jump over something and break a board with her foot. Like, it's a skill. She developed skills, yeah. She developed skills. And if she's fighting another 12-year-old girl, that other girl's in serious danger. It's definitely a valid black belt. But I don't know why there's... Now, I think UFC helped create the shade on other martial arts. And surprisingly, if you look at the original promoters of UFC, one of them was Gracie. Yeah. They did, yeah. I mean, in the dojo storming and whatnot, there was just this moment in time where that needed to be realized. Same thing would happen in Okinawa. Like, if a bunch of jujitsu guys came in and stormed the karate dojo, these old men are sitting there. They don't know the rule set. They don't know what's about to happen. They haven't been exposed to this. YouTube doesn't exist. You know, like, they're going to get taken down. They're going to get choked out. They're going to get choked out or they're going to get on a board or something bad's going to happen, you know. And, like, all of a sudden, it means that karate's terrible. Like, dude, I don't subscribe to that. No, I don't either. You know what I mean? And, like, I also know its limitations, you know. But I won't look past all of the good things that came out of it. Like, first of all, all of the same community elements that we talked so much about that people are just now starting to realize, like, oh, my God, there's all these great things and all these intangibles, and that's the stuff that Jocko talks about and everything else, and why to cure PTSD for law enforcement and for military and for other people and first responders and everything. Like, get into this stuff. By the way, karate had that stuff too. And it's had it a lot longer than jujitsu has. Jujitsu is only a couple hundred years old at this point. I'd say, personally, jujitsu is 100 years old at this point. But if you look at Japanese jujitsu, it was a combative martial art. We've created this new sport, jujitsu, that's got all these great elements to it. So in high school, I was a wrestler, and I took kenpo karate because my friend who lived down the street was going, and I just hopped in the car with him, and the guy never realized I was a high school kid, and I was going with my friend, and my parents were not going to pay for martial arts lessons. So he just kind of let me hang out. And it was cool. But one of the kids was like, dude, I can stop any wrestler. I'm like, no, you can't. Of course, you're a high school wrestler with an ego. I took him down. He clawed at my eyes, fish-hooked me, put his hand in my mouth, and I got my head away. I'm like, I'll bite you if you do that again. And I stand on top, and I destroyed him. He was a black belt. He was so demoralized. I was like, no, no, no, no. You should not. Now, I'm a high school kid, so I didn't have a lot of maturity. I was like, dude, you shouldn't be demoralized. It's two different games. But you have to be hyper-aware that there's other martial arts out there. Wrestling is a martial art. And so it was more of me trying to be an egomaniac and say, no, wrestling is better than Kenpo. But that's not to say Kenpo didn't have valid application. That's right. Valid application, 100%. That's the thing. Now, I'm also not going to deny the fact that I had a giant ego. I was a young Marine. I mean, dude. I was like, I will snap kick you. I don't know. I probably did think that. You know what I mean? I would have gotten myself corrected really quickly if I went against a wrestler, for that matter, the minute I got double-legged onto the concrete. I mean, my world would have been in all different forms. You can't punch that well from that position. You can't, man. You can't horse dance. Yeah, no horse dance. And if you punch me once and I keep coming, you're like, oh, crap. What do I do now? Yeah, people make fun of that. That's just what I'm talking about. It drives me nuts. It's like, do I think horse dance? Am I ever going to do that? Of course not. It's one of the moves. It's a part of the kata. That's just what we do. The memorization, the perfection of technique, all of these things. Well, that was the reason I had to get into Taekwondo. It wasn't for self-defense. It was for memorization. Skill development. She's a high-performance human now because she was learning how to use her limbs and her mind at the same time. And honestly, Jiu-Jitsu doesn't have a lot of that, but I really wish it did. I like the martial part of the martial art. Because if you look at martial arts, you've got Okinawan karate. I would say that's way more martial than art. It's very rigid. And it's rude, for sure. Yeah. And then you have Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Brazil, it's a surf culture. Everything's hang loose. You can tell from the cultural differences. And I assume even Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in Japan is looser than Judo. Way looser. Even though Judo and Jiu-Jitsu are pretty darn close, especially the sport format. Yeah. One of the things that treads me out. I was in Okinawa in the 90s. Obviously, I married an Okinawan woman, and that's a part of my life. And for years, whenever we would go back, we would go visit the dojo, say hi, and stuff like that. I returned to live in Japan in 2017. I went to Japanese language school. Some people know that about me. Some people don't. And when I was there, I was a Purple Belt. And I trained at Carpe Diem. And a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu affiliation that has a lot of the elements of Japan in it. A lot of the inherent respect. You just get that in Japanese culture. And anybody that's been around that realizes that. But then there's this, like, but this is different. So what will we do different? I don't know. Let's just take our shirt off. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of hard to describe. And I'm just going to lie sideways while you're teaching, because I can. Because I'm able to. I like this. I'm saying this affectionately. You know what I mean? That's a lot different. If you were to go to one of the, like, traditional martial arts schools growing up in the States, a lot of it is like, and this is ridiculous. And this is why I didn't do karate when I got back to the States. I tried. I think you talked about it 25 times. It drove me nuts. This means this. No, it doesn't. No, that's exactly what was happening. So there was a school, and I'm just going to say on the east side of the Metroplex, to avoid any specificity, because it actually does so exist. Which gives me a lot of levity in how good my business is going to do. Because if schools like that can survive... Exactly, man. Dude, it's so true. Well, I went in there, and like, I'm trying not to embellish this, but like, I do think I saw... Remember, I wouldn't know if you embellished it. You can embellish away, and I would think it's true. I mean, I don't want to sound ridiculous, but like, I felt like people were, like, bowing to the water fountain. And they're just, like, making up all these, like, Japanese, like... Did they have a water fountain to bow to? This was ridiculous. Yeah, they did. It was a standard retail building. That's great. It was a trip, though, man. I mean, and that's why I never got into it, you know. So, was that your only experience in the States? With traditional martial arts? Yeah. And then quickly after that, the Marine Corps started incorporating, in a serious way, elements of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu into their martial arts program. And I was exposed to that while I was in the Reserves. They didn't do it when I was in active duty. Or maybe they did, and I just missed the boat. I mean, the 90s were so formative for the martial arts. Yeah. Because Jiu-Jitsu didn't come onto the scene publicly. Yeah. Really, UFC. I think it was 2001 when they started it. 2003 is when I went through the training. Mm-hmm. Or 2002. 2002 is when I went through the training. I remember I got activated after September 11th. And I was in Texas, you know, so this is not, like, one of the main bases. And they're like, yeah, we're rolling out this new thing. I mean, and then I'm like, okay. I remember when I learned the guard. Yeah. I was like, whoa. Yeah. And I mean, and I'm not even scared. I like it, actually. I got things I can do. My first experience with Jiu-Jitsu is wildly different. We were in a warehouse. The guy had just started his school. Yusuf Arizali is owner of Star Jiu-Jitsu. It was my first Jiu-Jitsu class. Dude, you guys are, like, made for each other, man. Golly. God knew what he was doing. Because no one else would have made it. This arrogant wrestler would not have learned Jiu-Jitsu from a Jiu-Jitsu guy. Yeah. You needed a wrestler. I needed an Iranian Olympian wrestler. You know what I mean? That must have been crazy. It was the coolest school because it was, like, I don't know if it was, like, one of his students had a warehouse that let him use the space. Like, it was hard to find. And it was puzzle mats on the wall. I love it. Wrestling mat on the floor. All different pieces that he had obviously accumulated from other people. And it felt like Fight Club. That's so cool, dude. It was so cool. Because, like, these guys who fought MMA would show up and train. And then, like, some kid. And it was just, like, very Fight Club-esque. Like, dingy. And now he's got a great, beautiful school that's huge and all that stuff. But it was perfect. I enjoyed it. There's a lot of Jiu-Jitsu that's out there right now. I mean, there's places in, I mean, we're in a major metroplex, right? So it's not surprising that you'd see this. And if you were to just, you know, kind of Google it on a map, I mean, there are areas over in Tarrant County where there are four corners of intersections that have four Jiu-Jitsu schools in view of one another and are full. You know, it makes my heart happy that there's that much demand. Yeah. Because I don't think anybody wouldn't benefit from training. Yeah. And because, at least for me personally, like, one of the reasons I'm in, because I was into fitness in and out of my Jiu-Jitsu journey. And life is hard when you're not fit. Yeah, man. You said that before. And I genuinely believe people have an uphill battle in anything they're doing if they're fat, stupid, and lazy. Yeah. And I'm not saying that condescendingly. I know they're condescending statements. But you don't get fat without a plan. I'm sorry, you don't get fat with a plan. No one plans on getting fat. No one ever plans on getting stupid. And no one ever plans on being lazy. And if you ask people, are you lazy? No one would go, yeah, I'm so lazy. Yeah. But they'll say, I'm busy. Yeah. And how do you spell busy? L-A-Z-Y. Yeah. Because what's the definition of busy? Meaning not important enough. Yeah. I'm too busy to work out. No, you're too lazy to work out. I'm too busy to read personal development books. No, you're too lazy to read personal development. I'm too busy to do Jiu-Jitsu. No, you're too lazy to do Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah. Or let's say you have no desire to do Jiu-Jitsu. Do you play tennis? Like, do you do something that challenges it? I think Napoleon Hill called it recreating. Was that the book I read? The three eights? Eight Sleep, Eight Work, Eight Recreate, something like that? I can't remember that. I think it was in his Magic Ladder to Success. I'm pretty confident. I didn't read that one. Yeah. Napoleon Hill's Magic Ladder to Success. Actually, I think it's one of my favorite ones because it was the easiest read. None of those are easy, man. It's almost like, what is going on in that brain of yours, bro? He was too smart for his own good. Yeah. I think he would be the guy thinking of new Barambola variations. I think he would. Can you imagine if Napoleon Hill knew Jiu-Jitsu? No, I think he and Teddy Roosevelt would have gotten along. Yeah, probably so. They probably did. I mean, they're the same era anyway. I love reading old books like that because they're written with that English. Yeah. You know what I mean? I feel smart. I do, too, when I'm reading it. Horson's Sweat Martin. Did you read The Miracle of Right Thought? No. Okay. If you're listening to this, go grab it. What's it called? The Miracle of Right Thought. Okay. Horson's Sweat Martin. I'll have to check that out. Bro, I mean- The title alone is intriguing. It's if Napoleon Hill and Joseph- Who wrote The Power of the Subconscious Mind? Joseph- I don't remember. I've given out probably 12 of those books. He also wrote Read Yourself Rich. Same guy. Okay. If they had a baby, it would have been Martin. It's dense. Okay. Dense would be the way for The Power of the Subconscious Mind. That takes a long time to get through. Yes. It's a lot of rereading. Yeah. The Miracle of Right Thought is a lot. Yeah. Help me tremendously though. Really? Okay, cool. There's a lot of highlightables that you can stop. I'll have to drop that in. I need to implement that, and I'll just put the book away for a little bit. Yeah. It took me a long time. Jeff Moore, a good friend of mine in my in-way business, recommended it. Incredible book. Okay. I'll scope that out. We were going to talk about travel and maintaining a training schedule. Do you want to segue into that? Let's segue into it. Yeah. I travel quite a bit. I mean, you use travel a lot. I used to sling my body all over. Yeah. Yeah. You maintained a level of fitness. I did, man. Doing that. Yeah. I say I love. Almost easier. I think when it's a priority, it's not an easy thing. It's going to get done thing. Yeah. Too much is so hard to follow. It's so hard to stay on track that you have to be disciplined. There is no margin there. At least for me, there wasn't. Yeah. I don't give myself any cushion, any mental cushion. I'd really like to get a run in tonight. That's not an option. You're not going to run. I'm not. Yeah. I've already given myself. It would take, would you like to go and look at the birds in the street? Yes. Sure. Anything's better than running. I'm making stuff up. Especially running when you've been sitting all day, you've been doing stuff all day. You're lagged or whatever. You're not in your home. You don't have all of your stuff for a shower. I don't know. Any creature comfort that you take away, that's why it's just can't be an option. Yeah. And finding schools to do jujitsu at when you're on the road is incredibly difficult, despite the fact there are intersections, as you aforementioned, with a jujitsu school in every corner all facing each other and they're all full. Yeah. I mean, I can't get these guys to answer their darn phone. I can't get them to say, yes, you can come in and train. I went to Six Blades in Austin. Beautiful school. Oh my goodness. How far is it from Austin? Do you know? Just where? 20 minutes from the Capitol. Okay. That could be a block away in Austin. That's the only point of reference because I went to speak for Patriot Academy. So I'm down there with the guys. That's at the Capitol? That's at the Capitol. Oh, yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Once a year, Rick Green and his guys take over the Capitol and so the kids get to do Senate, Congress, Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and they literally run the government for a week. Very cool. It's an incredible program. That must have been the week that things worked right. Yeah. I think it's the only time I've ever seen productivity on the House floor and actual bills that I would want to go through. And interest. Go through. Yeah. And that's about the rate that I'd be willing to pay. Right. Unbelievable. No, the committees are great because these kids are, I mean, they're pretty, I don't want to say sheltered, but when you go in as a gay couple, like, I am against this bill and they're like, I do. They don't know what to do. How old are your kids? 15 to 25. Oh, okay. That's amazing. Oh, it's so great. That's amazing. Yeah. So actually Rick just launched a streaming service called patriotacademy.tv. So all of his content, all of his courses, constitutional education, it's $10 a month for all of his stuff. Dang. Kirk Cameron's Campfire Revival is on there with Marshall Foster. So if you want some pilgrim history, incredible stuff. Really? I think there's wall builders content on there as well. Incredible. Okay. So yeah, patriotacademy.tv. Cool. I think it's $10 a month. And the talk shows are great. There's one called The Tavern that he's doing where he's talking to people. He had the lead singer, Skillet, on there last episode I watched. Is it like a podcast type format? So The Tavern is a new talk show that kind of is like a flagship for the program. Okay. I like The Tavern. Yeah. I think it's Ton Tavern. That's what it's modeled after. It's like, hey, in the revolutionary times, these guys would clink their glasses and talk about things that matter. Yeah. That feels so strong. It's a cool show. Because then I took his red coat and I wrapped it around him. Exactly. Yeah. They're having these hush-hush conversations at The Tavern. And so he's got this big wooden mug. Oh, cool, man. I like it. And he's interviewing just these really interesting people. I think the first episode, I feel like it was Benil Daryush who refused to close during COVID because people were texting him going, hey, I'm having some drug problems now. All the students were going nuts. And he's like, no, they need martial arts. This is it. I don't care if the government says it's essential. And he opened up. And luckily, he was in Orange County, which is like the red dot in the blue part of California. Yeah. But anyway, so yeah, Patriot Academy, DocTV, The Tavern is his new show. That's awesome. And it's cool to watch. And he's got all of this. The main thing on there, I mean, he's got, it's called Constitution Alive, where he taught through the entire Constitution in Independence Hall. So they recorded it in Independence. So he's in Independence Hall teaching a group. Wow. From the Declaration, We the People, all the way through all the amendments. That's amazing. 10 bucks a month. Like you can go through every course he's got, which is maybe 10 grand worth of material for, it'll probably take you like four or five months to get through all the material that's on there. But it's a steal. I don't know why it's so cheap. PatriotAcademy.TV? PatriotAcademy.TV. Roger that. It's really cool. Roger that. Yeah. I'm on one of the episodes. Are you? I haven't watched it yet. It sucks. Don't watch that one. I've seen you on different episodes of different areas of content. You're pretty good, man. I appreciate that. You're pretty good. Well, hopefully people are liking the podcast, where they're like, oh, if he's on there, I'm not watching it. I don't think I've seen many different versions of you. I've seen you in action in a lot of different formats. I'm pretty ideologically consistent. Groups, friends, the works, and I mean, you're pretty steady Eddie in terms of what you expect to get. I hope so. Thank you. Yeah. That's a compliment. I know people that like me. That'd be weird. Yeah. I was joking around with a buddy of mine out in Colorado, and we have an equal despise of corporate America. That's funny. We were talking about some of the things that like, there's just corporate Americanisms, right? Yeah. Like, good morning, everybody. Oh, no. I said, good morning, everybody. I hate that. I'm like, oh, my God. Stop it. You know what I mean? I could go on and on and on. I think that's the worst, especially for a non-morning audience. You know what I mean? It's like, nobody says that. Come on. Nobody says that, number one. And number two, they say good morning back to you. I know. You should be good. No. I said, good morning. Oh, find me the exit. With a push door that's 36 inches wide. You know me in crowds, dude. I don't do well in conforming situations anyways, so give me something like that that's just canned response. I'm like, oh, I'm not saying good morning to you. Yeah. Hey, raise your hand if you're a good morning person. Yeah. Raise your hand if you're a good morning person. Yeah. Raise your hand if you're a good morning person. Yeah. Raise your hand if you're a good morning person. Yeah. Raise your hand if you're a good morning person. Yeah. Raise your hand if you're a good morning person. Yeah. Raise your hand if you're a good morning person. Yeah. Raise your hand if you're a good morning person. Yeah. Raise your hand if you're a good morning person. Yeah. Raise your hand if you're a good morning person. Yeah. Raise your hand if you're a good morning person. 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