Beverly's 40s & Life's Challenges

The speaker is having a conversation with their mother about their childhood. They discuss the mother's experience of being pregnant with the speaker and the birth. They also talk about the difficult financial situation the family faced when the speaker was young and how it impacted their lives. The speaker asks about their behavior as a baby and young child, and the mother explains that they were a bright but difficult child, likely due to genetics and being the youngest in the family. They also discuss the behavior and personalities of the speaker's siblings. Hello mum, how are you today? I'm well thank you Chris and you? Good, good. We're just painting the picture for ourselves and anybody else who listens to this. We've just had a nice morning brunch, coffee. It's 27th of October 2023 and you and dad are on the second day of your holiday in Barwon. That's right. And I've dragged you into this little situation to learn a bit more about our history and your thoughts and feelings about that. And I think from our previous chat we got to around about the point where I was born. So I just thought it'd be interesting for you to tell me about your experience from the moment you sort of found out you were pregnant and then right through to the birth and how you felt about that. Was it a case of we jokingly say, oh is it a bit of an accident or an afterthought? It's a nice surprise. Okay, but yeah tell me your experience there and how that all came about. Okay, so well Noel and Jen as you know were like eight and six when I felt pregnant with you. So we thought that we'd finished our family but it was lovely surprise. We were, you know, it was good that we're in a position where we could have another child so it was no reason not to. And yeah, took it from there. It was an easy pregnancy. I had no problems. I worked right up until six weeks before I gave birth. I was working part-time at St. Gerard's Primary School and the September or October before they were born, I went on a school camp. So I was quite pregnant and slept in tents with kind of an air mattress on the floor but it worked out really well. So with the group of six boys, so it was, you know, good time. Yeah, it's all good. That's good. And what was I like as a baby or sort of that era one, two, three, four, how would you describe? Okay, so I'll just have to tell you that when you were born and you were a boy, your father was so innate. Yeah. He had his son. So I mean we were all innate but you know, so he was so proud and so innate. So that was good. You were pretty easy baby and then you turned into a toddler. How old is toddler? Oh well, no you were actually a pretty easy toddler as well. But it was a bit of a difficult time for us. We sold the house in Greenwood when you're little, a baby. And dad just had a really good job and we had plenty of money at that stage. But then and we were going to build, we'd bought the property up in the land up in where we are now in Dub Craig. But then dad decided he didn't want to do that job anymore. And we'd sold our house but we couldn't afford to build straight away. Yes. Because he no longer had a job. So we had two different rentals. The first one was in Ballantyne Road and that was a bit of a problem because I had to get to the school and bring them home. Okay. And you were a baby. What suburb is Ballantyne Road? In Greenwood. Okay. Yeah, just opposite Greenwood shops, that street opposite there. The house was fine, you know, but it was quite a difficult time. And during that time, I found out I was pregnant again. So because it was so stressful. After me? After you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Soon after. It wasn't that long after you, you weren't that old. And then so I had a miscarriage. It was quite a traumatic miscarriage and I had to be twins. But anyhow, that was it. Sorry, that wasn't meant to be. And then we moved out of that house into a house near Pennystone Reserve and the girls were out for walks or ride their bikes. So that worked out better. I didn't have to take them to and fro school every day with a baby or a toddler. So we were able to then started up his own business, accounting business, which as it turned out, it didn't re-eventuate into much. And he was also working with part of that business. He was working, had a couple of really good clients. And he worked with a man called Bill Hughes and he had hotels. So he worked for him. So, but you know, our income was basically $1,200. But then we had to build because we had a four-year limit to build on the R&I land we had. So we had made a good profit out of the household greenwoods. So we were able to get, because Jack was working, we were able to get a loan. So we built the house and then Dad started working at TAFE. So from then on, it became easier. Yes. So he kept his little accounting practice and built that up a little bit more and then he had TAFE as well. So life was pretty good. And also by that time, I was able to go back to work because you're old enough for me to go back to work. So I worked part-time. So things were pretty good then, but that was a very stressful time. Yes. But you know, hopefully it didn't impact too much, you know, when we were kids. But yeah. And Dad also was, yeah, he was very stressed, you know, as well because he didn't know where we were going or what we're doing and he had three children. And you know, that was okay. We got through that. Everything worked out well. And so the stressful period ended once you had already moved into Fortress Loveway? Is that around the time frame? Or did it keep going for a while? It was pretty much when we moved in, it seemed to ease off, yeah. So I was about five then? You were four. We moved in just after Christmas and you turned four in January. Yeah. So we had this lovely pool and Nana had won a bit of money at Lotto and she'd given us money. So I did all the kids three bedrooms down. You had bangs and carpet and window treatments and everything. So your rooms were perfect. We had a swimming pool. So life was pretty good and kids were playing sports and you know, yes. So it was all pretty good. So from when I was a baby, sort of zero to five, what was I like? Like how would you describe me as a baby or as a very young? As a baby and pretty young, you were good. We went through, you were very bright, you know, it was really difficult for, you went to a three-year-old kindy. I know it was a four-year-old kindy down it and the teacher couldn't handle you. You were? At what age? Three? Four. Four. Yeah. So that was soon after we moved in. You went down to the four and five kindy. And yeah, she just had no idea that you were a boy that would be out kicking a football or you know, playing with ball and being outside and she wanted you to sit still and listen to some mundane story or something. You were totally bored. And in the end, I was able to get you into a private kindy up near the Murray Road. But when I left that school, the principal said to me, look, I know the problem but please bring him back for year one, which I thought was lovely of him. Yeah. Too bad. So you were pretty good up there but maybe Mrs. Nichols, her name was, and she was amazing with you. She was a person and it was very good kindy. So you settled down a bit there. But right through primary school, you struggled. Yes. With just confinement and being bored and you know, it was, yeah. So that's sort of one of the things I was going to ask you. I want to get back to Mel and Jenna and not dominate this myself. But I was, I mean, it's hard for me to remember certain things but I was very naughty all from the time I can remember up to about probably 15, 14, 15 where there was a transition. And I was a naughty in every way in the sense that I was a little bit of the class clown, which you probably didn't see as much but that was a big part of it. I was rough on the playground in terms of getting in fights and I would also challenge your authority. I kind of did all of those. Whatever possible way you could be naughty, I had found it. Yeah. Why do you think that was? Like what's your theory on, is it just I was wild like that and that was inevitable or it was environment or why do you think I was such a troublemaker? I personally think it was genetic, a lot of it because your father was like that at school. Okay. Yeah. So if you expect him about his childhood, he would probably say it was the exact same. And then the fact that you were a much younger child in an older family, you know, with the girls being older, I think you had no sickness. Yes. In terms of so focus was on you. Yeah. But you know, at home you were great. It was only when you were in the school environment that you had these problems. Yeah. In sport I was great too. Like I wasn't a problem. No, okay. It's what you were great enough. You were well respected and well liked and you were never cheeky or you know, you didn't question authority in your sporting too because you wanted to be doing it. I put it down. Sure. And you were good at time. I mean, we kept you fairly well occupied. You know, you had your retirees and we had lots of sports, you know, we're taking a turn from sport. And you had friends, you know, Greg around the corner, local friends, you were always out playing. Like you were kept fairly busy at home. So I put it down to Gordon. I mean, I knew he was bright but I could do nothing about it. Yeah. That was the school environment as it was. And I think it just drove you insane. And yeah, you fought against it. Yes, I did. Yes. And what about Mel and Jen? So how were we all kind of different as children? Like how would you describe Mel and Jen and how were we different? Okay. And maybe how we interacted as siblings. Melanie was the firstborn and always like right up until she went to Kindy, she was very placid and, you know, easygoing. But the first day I dropped her at four-year-old Kindy and I left it there. Then I came back home. This was when we were in Greenwood. I came back home and I was doing the breakfast dishes and I turned around and she's standing. She just left. She wasn't staying and she came home and that was how it was with Melanie. She was always anxious about everything and always wanting to do the right thing and, you know, a good girl. She was a good girl. She did, you know, because everybody teaches vain pretensions. I remember I was a very good friend with a man called Edward Malala and he loved her. She used to follow him around. It wasn't for class, but, you know, and she had a very good friend right up to primary school called Trish Bowen. And so that was always good for her too because Trish was happy-go-lucky at this little kid. So she was very good for Melanie. And then she followed through to high school with Melanie as well to Sacred Heart. So that was good for Mel. But yeah, she played a lot of sports. She was quite at sports. She was never tentative in sports or anything like that. And she wasn't really at school because she was so good and, you know, did everything right. And she was good at sports and she was bright. So she sort of got over that a little bit. And then when she went to high school, Trish was there and she's still a good friend of hers to this day. And, you know, she got through high school all right, but she did tell me because her and Trish weren't in the same class, she spent a good part of her first year at high school sitting in the library at Munster. I did not know that till afterwards. Yes. But gradually she formulated her good group of friends like Lara and Marisa, both of whom very confident about their people. So she seemed to get people around her that were the opposite to her. So once the help happened, she was fine. She was on her way. So it worked out well. So, yeah, no, that was good. Never a problem with studying or, you know, she was fine. Jenny was just like out there sort of person, always friendly, always doing anything. If Mel had to make a phone call about something even when she was older, even after in which she's at uni, she'd get Jen to make it for her. She had to query something, you know, like Jen worked up to cook for her. But Jen didn't mind. Yes. Mel was okay with it. No, whatever. So Jenny was always super confident. She was always good at sports again. She was always bright. So never a problem with Jen. Yeah. Always had lots of friends around her. Yeah, it sure is pretty easy going. So that's how you're all different. Yeah. Mel was the shy, quiet one. Yes. Jenny was the sociable one and you were the naughty one. And yeah, I think it's- Naughty, that's it. I was pretty- Misunderstood. Yeah, yeah. I was- Just misunderstood by the whole schooling system or, you know, yeah. No, that makes sense. So we're at Fortress Lugway and we're all together as a family. Let's maybe just paint a picture of day-to-day life of that time. So one, two of my priority school years basically. What was the day-to-day? That was very busy. Day-to-day life was so busy because Jenny was heavily involved in sport and you- Probably even more so. Oh, no, about the same. Okay. Yeah, they both played the same sports and the same environment. Yeah. You know, about the same. And then, of course, when you started football when you were six. Yeah. Yeah. And then, and footy, nippers, when you were six. Yes, yeah. So, you know, it was all football for long and dad wasn't available to do any of that. And I was working. Yeah, she was working three days. I was working three days. So I was working. I was running kids to and from sport and training. I was trying to get that big house clean, cooking, you know, like it was a very, very busy time for me. But by the same token, it was a fun time. We had a good social balance, not only with our friends, but with all the sporting friends as well because, you know, you were friends with the Steelers. Yeah. All of that group. Yes, yes. And we- And Jen's. And Jen's. Jen's basketball friend. Oh, yeah. All of them. And then Mel's friend. Yeah. Basketball friend. So that's where I met Beth. Yes. Yeah. And we became involved. She came into our group. So I was probably, I was busy. Yeah. Busy, horrible. Yeah. So it didn't matter. And we were just so busy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then because the weekends were all taken up watching sport. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, they were. I think in the end, because I was working, I ended up biting the bullet and getting a cleaning lady and that helped. I didn't have to worry about cleaning. Right. Yes. So that took another of my shoulders then. So I just had to cook, which is fine. I've always enjoyed cooking. It was a problem. But I was always very insistent that we all get up in the morning and we sit around the table so we have breakfast together. And it was always a good, solid breakfast. The cereal, cheese on toast, fruit. Yes. Orange juice, the works. And we sat together and had a breakfast before everybody went to school. And dinner. And dinner always. Yeah. It was very insistent. Dinner. Yeah. So we just held what I believe. Dinner at the table. Dinner at the table, all together. Breakfast at the table, all together. And so, I mean, you've sort of partly touched on it, but what were your fondest memories of that time? I mean, you've kind of talked about that, but yeah. Oh, I just can't find everything about my life then. As busy as it was, was great. We had a fabulous social life, huge group of different friends. Yes. I remember that. And we started going on holidays overseas. Yes. Yeah. And I mean, I think it was six when we went to Bali or- It might have been eight, yeah, or something like that. Yeah. I thought you were a bit younger, but it might have been eight with you. But before that, I'd been with friends, and we were going off to Penang, and whole dad and I were being on a cruise. And Nana and Grandad were really good, because they came up and looked after you. Yeah. Or else we dropped you to Albany before we went or something. So that was always. So it was great. They allowed us to do our holidays. And yeah, so it was just a really, really good time. Yeah. I almost forget just how social it was and how many different people we did things with, whether it was cousins or whether it was dad's high school group and the sporting group. Sporting group. We always had people over and barbecues and kids in the pool. Yeah. And you used to also, when you got to primary school and high school, because we had the pool table thing, you always had mates around playing pool, swimming in the pool. And yeah, it was a pretty good time. Yeah. And so as we kind of get towards more your 40s, and I'm a little bit fuzzy on the chronology because there's a lot that seemed to happen within a couple of years, but Mel and Jen sort of left home. Yeah. Talk to me about that. I may have got dates wrong or I don't know exactly when. Well, Mel was 22 when I was born. Then she left home when she was about 23 or 24. So that was the hardest. It was really hard when Mel left home. Yeah. So it was 13. That's what I remember. That's when I started high school. Yeah. Because that was a bit of a transition. 13 and 9, 22. So she must have been 23. Yes. I was there then. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yes. Because she had met Cam. Because Cam was there at her born on the 21st. Yeah. I remember. And did they get engaged on the 21st? No. I can't remember. Yeah. So well, the year after that, they were looking to move in together and they had a dog and they couldn't get a rental with Buddy, the big dog. So we bought that place down in Allure. In Allure. Yes. So they'd have somewhere to just read. They had to read to bed, but we did allow them to have a dog. Yeah. Yeah. And then they stayed there until they bought the house where they are now. Right. So it was a long time. Yeah. And what about Jen? How old was Jen when- So Jen would say, she basically left as soon as she graduated. Yeah. So she's a time. It wasn't- It was a bit after. Yeah. A bit later. Yeah. It was a bit after. It could have been even up to 12 months. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're close. Yeah. And she went to live with her friend Suzanne in a house in Invermouth. So Mel and Cam were probably still in the house, the facility unit that we bought. And then Mel and Cam moved out, and I think Jenny moved into that. She moved into that. It was a bit hazy about the time in it, but she lived in that unit as well for a while. And then she bought her own- Yes. ... unit in Doubleview. Yeah. Yeah. And what was that experience for you like when they'd moved out? It was when Mel and he moved out, it was terrible. And I cried helping him move out, and I'm crying, my first person. But I at least had the confidence that she's going with Cam, you know, and that to live really like Cam was a good man. But it was very sad, the first one. Well, yes, not so sad because I've been there, done that. Yes. You know, and I knew it wasn't that bad. Yeah. So that wasn't too bad at all. And then Grandad got sick with, he was diagnosed with skin cancer. Yes. So tell me about that, like how you first heard about it and what was that? Well, that was, I was in my early 30s, and Nana rang and told me, and it was on, I think it was on a day before, it was on New Year's Eve. She let me get up for Christmas. Yes. And then she rang and told me that, you know, he had cancer. Your early 30s? Well, no, I was probably, you were about 12. So I'm being- Early 40s. 42. Early 40s. Yes, I was about 42. And then I know we were down, I can see it now, we were down at the, it was a place at the marina that used to do some orchestra sports, and they had a big New Year's Eve thing on, and we went there as a big group of people. And when it came to midnight, I just lost it. It was so sad because I, you know, I'd obviously had a drink or two as well. But it was awful. And I sort of knew that he wasn't going to get through it. So when he was diagnosed, they already, like it was, they already knew it was- Terminal? Terminal. No, I don't think so. I don't know if they did or not. I think they suspected it probably was. So those next couple of years were pretty bad. He spent a lot of time in Perth. Nana came up and stayed in a unit at Charter Gardens. It was in Charlies because that was where all the radio and chemo was in those days. You had to go to Charlies. And Nana lived in a little unit thing, you know, that they provided for country people there. And then they used to come out and stay on the weekends with us. So then it was pretty sick. But as he got worse, only Nana came. He couldn't come. And then they decided that it was terminal. So they were there for about three months, I reckon. And then they just, so he went back to Albany. It was really just how it had been. Yeah. So yeah, that was a very emotional, sad time. But Nana was only, like when Brenda died, she was only 68. So she wasn't old really. And then I remember when Nana said to me, it was just before Easter, I think I've told you this, when Nana rang me and she said, look, he's probably not going to be in until the end of the week. I just thought, I bet she knows. And I said to Dad, we're coming down for Easter in a couple of weeks. I said, Dad, look, I'm going to go. And he said, go. So I flew down and I spent the whole weekend with him. I went Friday night because I was working. So I went Friday night then and came back on the bus on Sunday. And he died two days later. So it was the best decision I made. And I'm very grateful to Dad to encourage me to do it. Because you know, because Dad doesn't like spending money much, but he knew that that was the decision I needed to do it. So yeah, so that was a pretty sad time for me or for everybody really. I know it broke you up. You were very devastated by it. The girls were too. But well, you all had a good relationship with your granddad. Yeah, I do remember that I found out. How was that? Yeah, it's pretty intense. Yeah, it was intense. Yeah. But you know- How old was your granddad? 80. He was 80? Yeah. So for that era, that was a pretty fair age. Yeah. Yeah. And we, yeah, so he suffered for two years really that we would have preferred he didn't have to suffer like that, but he did. Yeah. And then shortly after, Dad was diagnosed. Yeah, about 12 months later. It might have been 18 months. I can't remember, but it was a fairly short period of time. Yeah. And so what was that like? How was he diagnosed? So he said to me one day, this lump in my testicle. So I felt it. I knew then. I said, yes, you've got to go get that sorted right now. And so of course, he went and he came home. We did the test. And the day he came home and told me what it was, because he didn't want me to go to the doctor with him. So I honored that. And he came home and said, well, it's cancer. And he just lost the deep breakdown. It was really quite hard. And so that was fine. We've done that. We got over it. We got on with the task. We had a fabulous doctor. He was really good. And so they did that operation and he had the chemo and he had the radio. And then it was fine. And then they do follow up testing and they found that it is spread. So that was difficult. And so they found out where it was and we were lucky that we had this professor over from America who was here, the sixth world, precisely teaching us doctors how to do this particular operation that they've needed that we submit to be. His name was Professor Kay. And so we went, that's other old colleges, sent him to him. And he said to us, this operation we're going to do is a very, very tricky part. I'm going to need a heart specialist. I'm going to need all these people in there with me. And he said, then I'd like a few other doctors here to see the operation. And the operation is going to be nine hours. Yeah. So that was really difficult too. So I took him in. And did they give an estimate of the chances of success or they leave it as a bag or have a bit? Well, he was pretty positive about it. But I think at that stage, it was about a 50 to 50. Yeah. Because I saw that dad say that, I wasn't sure. Yes. No, dad wrote letters to you all. And the night I was sitting with him before he went in and it was pretty tense. And then I went down with, at St. John's, he had the, and I went down into the chapel. It's St. John's and I sat there and had a cry and let it. And then they had said to me, go home. You can't sit around the hospital for nine hours. So when I was composed after I came, I'm not sure where you were. The girls weren't at home at that point. They'd left home. But I really, really had to work hard to keep it together for everybody. Anyhow, I know the football was on because I was watching the footy to take my mind off it. I'm trying to, and then they rang me and said, yeah, he's got through it. Come in. The next just came straight out for the operation and said, he's made it. So I jumped in the car and went in to him. Yeah. So that was the renee. But then the next, going through a whole lot more chemo and radio. It was a hard time. So even after they got it out, as a precaution or as they did, they still- Oh, yeah. They had to go through all that whole regime again. Yeah. And it was very debilitating and very difficult. So dad was basically out of action for 12 months. And during that 12 months, you were 13 and you were fundraising for the going out for the footy and all that. And I'm trying to sort all this out, and looking after dad. So that was a very difficult time for us. True. And like you do. But I'd say that was probably on top of granddad and then dad, that was very difficult of five years for me, four years or whatever. And then in amongst that, because I remember dad was bald at the time, was Mel's wedding. Was Mel's wedding. Yeah. So how was that experience for you? So that was what's been really difficult. Mel said she wanted to put it off. And I said, yeah, let's put it off and granddad wouldn't get it. Because at that time, we weren't sure what was going to happen. So that was in between the two. And he said, I want to be able to walk my daughter down the aisle. So we've got to have it. So that would have been after his operation? After his first op. Yeah. So he was on the keyboard. Yeah. But we weren't quite sure what was going, what was happening. He had his first lot of chemo and then he had the second lot of chemo before he had the second op because they wanted to shrink. Oh, so this was before the big operation? Yeah. They wanted to shrink the tumor. So this was during that time. So dad was pretty sick at that time. But he said, no, because we weren't sure if the keyboard work and the op would be okay. So he said, no, I want to be able to walk my daughter down the aisle. So we went ahead with it. And the wedding was great. It was a good wedding. Yeah. So, but once again, it was a really stressful time for me. So I've got dad going through this, trying to organize the wedding. And dad was pretty, he had, as always, you know, his father got sick ideas. So he didn't make it easy for us to make decisions about the wedding either. You know, he was, because it was in that not a very good place, you know. So that was a pretty stressful time. But it all worked out. We had a lovely wedding and it was all good. Yeah. Good. And how did it feel to have your eldest daughter sort of married? That was nice because they'd been together for a while and they'd lived together and, you know, it was nice. Yeah. And she was very happy. So shifting gears a little bit. So, and at the risk of not wanting to make this about me, but in terms of teenage Chris, high school Chris, what I remember is very goal-oriented. I probably always was even at primary school. It started off at sort of sport, then it sort of went to music for a little bit. Yeah. And then it was school achievements and academy. But the other thing was there was this transition where the naughty boy from primary school that kept going into year eight, nine and half of year 10. Absolutely. And then there was this transition where I started to pull my head in and then I started to be the top student and get the academic results. But my question was, what do you remember from teenage Chris? What was I like then? And also did that transition surprise you a little bit? Because I think you guys obviously always knew I was smart, but probably didn't expect me to be the top student. But yeah, how was that? How did you, yeah, what was I like and what did that transition? You know, it didn't really surprise me because you'd always been so focused on sport and doing, you know, high achievement and even with your music. And even at school when you were doing where you became Fritz with Lee and you were involved in the theater arts and things like that. So I always knew that once you set your mind to it and you saw the light. But I think in year 10 when you were going to choose your subjects for year 11 and you were told that you couldn't do some things because you just haven't put in. And dad had a meeting with him and said, well, he's going to do it. And I think that was a turning the corner point. He thought, well, I think I failed to work. I came. You know what I mean? And so that was the turning point. So then you had to prepare more. So you did. And that didn't surprise me. But you're always sort of like in year 11, you didn't want to do chemistry and physics or whatever. I don't know. And I think it's chemistry. And then the end of it, let me see. Well, yes, I think I do want to do chemistry. So then for Sadler was the principal. So I rang him and I said, well, look, Chris wants to do chemistry. I had a bit of street cred by that time. Yeah. And I said, if he wants to do this bridging, I've organized him to do this bridging course. I had to really caught my way into that with the principal at Chilcotty to get you to do it. But he agreed. But he said, well, all right. He said, it's only for post-year 12 students. I said, no, but he wants to do this for his A time. This is the only course where I can see him doing it. And he said, well, look, I'll agree to it if the principal at school agrees to it. And I said, okay, that's not a problem. I'll ring him. So I rang the boy and I told him. And he said, you had street cred. And he said, okay, he can do it. But if it impacts on his other studies, then he has to stop. This was another big driving you into trouble. And then I also got you a tutor who was your teacher, I think, to it. So just a couple of weeks, just to bring you up to speed with that. Yeah, that summer I had to sort out. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So that was the type of thing that you would determine you want to do. It's hard to find a way. Yeah. And what were your, I suppose, across that time, so your 40s, my high school, a lot happened. What was the fondest memories of that? In my 40s and apart from- In that period of, yeah, basically my high school years, but Mel and Jen moving out, Mel getting married, dad and granddad. What was the fondest? Oh, gee, it was just so busy and so full on. It'd be hard to think. I mean, I was still coping quite well with life. It was pretty good, but all those things impacted so much. I guess the holidays, the overseas holidays and the sporting, but the bedtime. So Mel's wedding, that was a lovely, lovely occasion. But yeah, I hear it settled down to school. So that was a relief and it was nice and you were really focused on your studies. So that pressure came off and then dad got better. So that pressure came off. So yeah, no, it was pretty good. Yeah. There was some light at the end of the tunnel. There was light at the end of the tunnel. Well, on that note, Mom, I think that's a nice way to conclude that part of our lives. So thank you. Thank you so much for that. Welcome.