RWG Podcast 1st Recording

The transcription is a conversation between a podcasting team discussing the concept of energy and how it affects business and personal growth. Shuhada Alauddin, a business and lifestyle energist, explains that energy is the frequencies we emit through our thoughts, feelings, and actions. She discusses how imbalanced energies can hinder growth and success, and her role in identifying and aligning these energies for her clients. The team agrees that energy plays a crucial role in personal and professional development, and that everyone faces limiting beliefs and obstacles on their journey. They emphasize the importance of addressing these issues to achieve growth and success. Okay. Welcome back, everyone. I am joined again with our beautiful podcasting team, the amazing Shuhada Alauddin, the amazing Joyce Wong, and me, and the incredible Karen slash Jem Holman, who's known as Jem around these parts, and me. We're going to kick off by you getting to know us a little bit better, and we're going to start off with the incredible Shuhada Alauddin. Shuhada is the world's leading business and lifestyle energist, which is an incredibly cool thing. Shuhada's actually one of the coolest people you're going to get to know. And I have a question for you, Shuhada. What's an energist? What is this thing called an energist? Thank you, Mona, for having me, first of all. That's a good question. What is an energist? I like to think of myself as someone who built a bridge between spirituality and business. That's how I see myself. And how I do this is by working with energy. Now, what is energy? I find that it has a few names. Some people call it vibes, some people say aura, but they're all the same thing. But if you ask me, if we strip away all those names and labels, energy is basically frequencies. Frequencies that is being projected by us through our thoughts, our feelings, and the things that we do. So that's basically energy, the frequencies. And the unique thing about frequencies is that they have this ability to attract other similar energies or other similar frequencies. I think all of you here and our listeners must at some point have heard of this term like attracts like, right? So that's what it is. So the frequency that you put out, you will attract other similar frequencies. Now, putting that into the context of a business. So, for example, if a founder has a certain vision, right? And however, that vision is not met, or some of the clients that I've worked with, they find that they aren't able to grow beyond what they've accomplished as much as they have this vision and they've done this and that, but they're just not growing. So that usually boils down to the underlying reason that's causing this is because the energy that they're putting out, the frequencies that they're putting out, it's actually contradicting to the vision that they have. Because when you envision something, again, like what you think, it's also energy. And what you're feeling is also producing energy. But these two energies are just contradicting each other. So that's why it's going to be, you know, there'll be friction. So maybe it just takes longer for them to get to where they want to get or just not getting there at all. That's the problem most of the time. So, and this underlying reason is very subtle, and it's always operating at a subconscious level that most of the time, you don't even realize that you have those. So I give you an example of what it could be. So it could be like, like a belief that you have. So maybe you've grown to a million dollars, and then you want to grow beyond that. But then you're just not getting it because there's this belief that, oh, people who can have more than a million, they have this kind of characteristics or criteria, and I'm not that or I'm not worthy of it. And like I say, it's very subtle, and you don't even realize you're operating from that space. And that's the energy that you're putting out. And so you see the, what I like to call the imbalanced energy there. So my job as an energy is when I go and work with my client is first of all to go in and identify these imbalanced energies. That's first. And then secondly, looking at what are the things that's causing it, the real costs of those imbalances, and then I would help to facilitate them to work through this contradictions or these energies that they're putting out so that the energy of what they're envisioning, their vision and what they're feeling becomes aligned. So that's, for example, in a nutshell, what I do. Oh, I love this. And I know we've got some follow up conversation here, we can all really relate. I so relate to what you're saying. And for me, I think energy is almost everything, how we show up how other people perceive us, how we perceive ourselves. And I certainly know for me that there have been many times where I where I have a vision, my subconscious has got a different vision for my future. It's running some different scripts. And, you know, it can take some work to uncover what that is. And to, to, to be able to show up in that energy. And it's actually really funny that you're saying this, because, I mean, folks won't necessarily know this. Well, actually, you might because there'll be pieces of this podcast that look a little different. That's because we're re-recording some of this. And part of that is because of my energy last week, it just wasn't on. And, and that's actually the case. Sometimes it's the moment to do the thing. Sometimes you can, you can muster up the energy. And sometimes it's just not the right moment. Yeah, I'm curious. I've got a quick follow up question. And I'm sure other folks have got things to say about it. Sure. It's funny, like when, and I mean, for everyone listening, I know she had a really, really well. So I don't necessarily feel this way, although I actually do. Like she had is one of these people that I feel can kind of see right through me in a way. Like, you know, I know, there's no kind of fooling you with, with how I am or what's going on. Do you get intuition around somebody's energy? Are you perceiving it? Can you feel that mismatch that you're talking about when you're working with someone? Well, first of all, I would say it's a yes and no. So because I would say there's a no, just not to freak people out. Because I have people who are like immediately like on guard when they're around me. The moment like my husband, he's been married to me long enough to know that there's no fooling me. Like whatever he says, I can see right through him, right? So he's always like, okay, you know what, I bought this this much, I'm not going to lie to you how much it costs, because you know, I'm, you're going to know that I'm lying. So when he, one time he introduced me to, I think was a former employee, and he said, you know, my wife, this, this, this, and I can immediately see them shifting their, like the body language. And they're like, on guard, so careful what they're saying, and how they behaving. And it's actually quite funny. So I always tell them, like, no, it's not that I can read your mind. I can't. But yes, most of the time, I can, what I'm feeling, what I'm sensing is actually their energy. That's what I'm sensing. Not so much. Well, yeah, sometimes the thoughts do, sometimes I hear thoughts, not to freak anyone, but sometimes I hear thoughts, because again, those thoughts are energy, right? But most of the time, I sense a person's energy. So to answer that question, yes, I do. And, but that does not mean that I immediately know what like, the cost of it, like, when I work with my clients, I can sense there's an imbalance, I can sense something's not right. So but it requires for them to actually open up and tell me as well, because you know yourself best, like everybody knows themselves best. So I, what I said, what I do is I facilitate, I ask the right questions, I kind of help them to explore possible reasons, which sometimes they didn't even think that it's going to be, that's the cost of it, but actually it is. And the thing, because, like I said, these things, they operate at a subconscious level, the things that you feel could be something that, that you heard 10 years ago, or something that that is ingrained within you, because of your upbringing, you know, or your culture or whatever it is. So that's why I say it's a very subtle thing. You didn't think that's what's causing it, but actually it is. Yeah, the limiting belief sometimes really, really holds us back so much, because on my point, and when I help my coaching, the same thing, we need to drill down to the, what is the limiting belief that really holds them back to relate to what issue they are facing right now. So yeah, yeah. And people tend to have this misconception like, oh, that person is seen as successful, or he or she has made this much of money, they have this big company, they've already reached a certain level, I'm just starting out, and I bet that person doesn't have these things that I'm, these issues that I'm going through. It's not true, because regardless of what level you're at, there's always something that's kind of like holding you back from that next level, your next best version, because, you know, you didn't realize that you have certain beliefs that are holding you back. So that's another misconception that I would like to kind of put it out there, and whoever's listening, like regardless, you know, where you're at, what stage you're at, everybody's going through some kind of, you know, like limiting beliefs or something that's holding them back. Totally. It was so funny, because when you were describing what, you know, what you do and what that is, I was just like, who doesn't need that? I mean, it's like, all of us need it. If anybody who is working towards something, and there's a gap between where they are currently and where they want to be, you're dealing with it. You know, at this level, you're dealing with it. I mean, for all of us. Yep, yep, yep. Totally. Absolutely. I think, especially for folks in our community and our listeners, you know, we know that you are people who are either wanting to do something in the world, dreaming of something, or you're already doing it. And, you know, for all of us here in the team at RWG, we're working at our growth edge. Oh, yeah. You get to your growth edge, and then, hey, spoiler alert, there's another one coming. When you're headed towards your goal, and you're like, almost there, and you're like, as soon as I hit it, I know I'm going to have another one. Yeah. Yeah, it's a constant work in progress. Yeah. Right. And so, I think that it's so, and the kind of energy you need to do one thing, it might be a really different kind of energy that you need to do another part as it could be growth. Exactly. Oh, I'm so curious. I can't wait for our listeners to get to know you more. And I actually, I mean, another spoiler alert, at some point, we'll be bringing people onto our podcast to help in real time work through some of these amazing pieces. Yeah. And looking forward to that. I have a curious question. So, when you were in corporate law, did you, did you, I know you've honed your skill, but like, when you were in corporate law, were you already aware of that and kind of had like a preface to where you are now? Okay. Sorry. Can I pause this for a bit? Yeah. So, I know that you have honed your skill with energy and everything like that, but when you were in corporate law, did you have a sense that this was something that you had and that you wanted to explore? So, before I answer that question, like anyone listening to be wondering, like, well, what corporate law is Jan talking about? Well, prior to being a woman, I was well, prior to being a business and lifestyle energy, I was actually a corporate lawyer for 10 years. And then I left and started my own coaching company called Myreal, hence the question. So, to answer your question, Jan, no, I didn't know about energy at all the time. And now on hindsight, when I think about all those times when I was feeling like, you know, I can't do this anymore. And I've had it, but I was still doing what I was doing because I've, you know, when you do something long enough, you just become really good at it. And you think there's nothing else that I could do. I was in that exact state. And one day I had a meltdown. And when I look back, it's like all these things just accumulated. And then the energy that I was carrying, which what caused the whole meltdown, and because I just ignored what I was feeling, I was ignoring those, the feelings, the voices, everything. And that led to the meltdown. And that, the funny thing was, when I had that meltdown, a quick story, I had a meltdown, I attended a color therapy class, which for those who may not be aware, color is a form of energy as well, right? They are all frequencies. They all vibrate different color, vibrate different frequencies. So, they're energy. And that was like my first, I would say, introduction into this metaphysical energy world. And I loved it. And so, I got myself certified in that. I left my legal practice after, started my company. So, that was when I realized how much energy plays a role in basically everything that we do. Yeah, that is so true. I mean, it's essential when you understand how your energy, yourself, is affecting other people. Because so many of us go through life on automatic, and we just don't even realize. Yeah. Yeah, we're literally, we're literally entraining people around us to how we are. You know, I developed a practice a long time ago of, and it's a good one to remember, actually, because as a mom, I need it, of before I enter a room, what kind of energy do I want to bring into this space? And I think, you know, oftentimes, like Jen just said, we're on autopilot. That moment of pausing and going, okay, how am I actually going to come into this space? It can make or break. If you think you're going, if you're going into an important business, it can make or break. If you think you're going, if you're going into an important business meeting, or a deal, or to give a presentation, or, you know, to have a conversation with your partner or a friend, like, how you are often determines what happens next. Oh, yeah. It's essential to the outcome. Yeah. And I remember I had a client whose job basically consists of him meeting up with people and presenting his services. And he's great at what he does. He knows his product really well, or he knows his services really well. But when he's presenting, a different energy is being projected. And that's the thing. When you're presenting, you're nervous, which is normal, right? That's what you're feeling. But the other person, the recipient, they don't know that you're nervous. But whatever energy that they feel, they will interpret it according to, you know, based on their own lens, based on their filter. So they probably think, oh, this guy, he probably doesn't know what he's doing. You know, this guy is probably, you know, an amateur or something. Although my client has been in business for like over 10 years at a time. So see, that's the thing about energy. Like, only you know what is the reason for you to be feeling a certain way and putting out those energies. But the recipient, they will then interpret according to how they interpret it based on their lens and their filter. So that's the importance of like what Mona was saying. When, for example, you're going to an event or you're going to present, you set out that energy first. It's natural to feel nervous. Like I'm nervous just by doing this podcast, to be honest. Although I've done it so many times. But that's the thing. It's like not to suppress that energy. You just let it out. And then after like a while, it's just going to once you allow it to be out and then it's fine. And not to misinterpret that energy. And I can safely say that I've presented thousands of times. And it would actually be weird for me if I didn't have some of that nervous energy beforehand, because I think for me anyway, it depends on my interpretation of it. And how I interpret it now is, oh, I really care about what's about to happen. Yeah. And I noticed that if I take a few moments to actually arrive to where I am, that energy just stays for very long. And it can be really powerful energy to get us going. Right. But if we move beyond it, then it starts to, you know. Well, it's like you should have an example when you when you said the guy, you know, is presenting and maybe he's feeling nervous and then he's focused on himself, which come off sometimes like either maybe they're aloof or they don't care. And that affects the viewer in your presentation could be millions of dollars. I mean, you have no idea what that's going to be. Right. And when you've got you don't have control over how somebody experiences you, but you have influence. I think that kind of I love that word is really paying attention to what influence you might have with your energy. You have so much influence. And I'm curious to ask Joyce, because I'm imagining Joyce, you've never experienced being nervous before you speak. Right. All the nervousness that I hide behind that you can't even see. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I. This is I love starting this journey with everyone because almost every sentence I'm like, that's another podcast, that's another that's not a topic. And I know we definitely need to expand on the on the energy story. And I'm thinking about I'm running through all the times as a facilitator where actually the majority of my job was to to influence the energy of the system that I'm working in. And energy is so interesting. But if you, you know, if you're if you're a kid freaking out and you like or your partner's freaking out, have we all noticed how ineffective it is to go? Relax. What do you mean? You know, and actually the reverse is true. You have to somewhat match that person's energy if you want to take them on a journey of transforming that energy. Right. And OK, I could go on and on and on about this. And there are four of us and there is our next person to to talk about, to talk about like each of you are going to leave now and then we're going to we're going to talk about we're going to talk about, yeah, we're going to move to Jem. And Jem is also known as Karen Polman. Jem is an incredible human being who has written a manual for your life as a listener. If you're a human being who is yearning for transformation, yearning for your life to be different, yearning for the possibilities that that maybe feel so far away for you right now to to come true. Jem's your gal. She wrote a book called Unmissable. And it really takes us. There it is. Oh, oh, wow. Oh, well, hello. I don't have the book. Everyone's got their book out. Joyce is signed. Is your copy signed, Chiara? Probably not. The copy is signed. You've got to come here and let me sign it. Well, I actually think we have to go to Malaysia again, but that's a whole other conversation. That's a that's a great place. Yeah, totally. Please come. That's a good that's a good reason for you ladies to come so I can sign my book, Karen. I agree. And then, you know, we can do some live shows. It'll be a great conversation with my husband. I have to go to Malaysia because I have something to do. Yeah, I've got something very important to write in. And obviously, I need to come along to just, you know, carry your bags and. Chaperone. Give you your pen so that you can write in the book. Okay, back to you, Jem. I think that I notice this in my own life. I notice this in the lives of many human beings around me. You know, sometimes we want to change. We might try change. We might try adopting new habits or whatever. And then we find ourselves back where, you know, back on that yo-yo of trying to change and not quite getting there. I know that you have a road map to creating real lasting change and that that's possible. How? Good question. Before I tell you how, let me tell you what came before that. Ah, yes. Because really where that even comes from, you know, started when I was pretty young. I mean, I was like 19 years old. And you mentioned this on the last time we tried to record this podcast or we didn't try. We did record it. But it just, you know, some things we decided to change. But you had mentioned that when I was younger, I had, you know, said something to my mom about wanting to. I wish that there was like a manual for life that could help me, because at the time I was really struggling, you know, when I was like 19. I started getting panic attacks and they were awful. They were, you know, I'm talking like late 80s. This was a long time ago. This is like pre-Internet. There's not a lot of information. There was information, but, you know, it was hidden away in books and libraries. And I didn't exactly know where to find the information that I needed. And I started getting panic attacks and they were terrible. Like I was I would be in a store and I just wanted to get out of the store because I had to turn that if I got out to my car, I would be fine. And I just needed to get to my car and then I was going to be fine. And it stopped me from doing all sorts of different things. And I didn't realize at the time, you know, now I'm much further along in my journey. And I realized what was driving it at the time. But I just wasn't being true to myself. I was a people pleaser. I just wanted other people's approval of me. And it was really a breakdown in my marriage. I got married when I was like 24. We had a couple of kids and we had a breakdown in the marriage and ended up in divorce. And that really started the journey of exploring through counseling. You know, I had been into like self-help and stuff. After I started getting panic attacks, I started going to Barnes & Noble, trying to find every book that I could on anxiety and depression. A familiar story, right? Like, yeah. Yeah. And I didn't have a terrible childhood either. I had two parents who were married for 44 years. They got along pretty well, you know, from the occasional throwing a loaf of bread at somebody or something like that from my mom. But I mean, they got along and I felt loved. It wasn't like I had a terrible childhood. But what I ended up learning was that my mom had, she did have a terrible childhood and she had some coping mechanisms that I learned and adopted into my life. And they weren't getting me where I wanted to go. And life had become really, really hard. And, you know, we ended up getting divorced. I got married again to the same guy later, but... Now that's a podcast. That's a whole other topic. But it was interesting because when I went to counseling, they were, you know, they were asking me questions like, have I been abused? And had I been molested? And all these different things. It was like, no, you know, I didn't have any of those things in my life. But I was, I was, maybe this has something to do with energy. I was acting out of that energy as if that energy was mine and it really wasn't. And after, you know, my husband and I got back together after we had divorced, we thought everything was going to be great. You know, we'd gone to counseling and we learned a whole bunch of new skills and we learned how to communicate with each other. And I just thought, you know, everything was going to be great. And then 2008 came and the global financial crisis came and we ended up losing everything. And so for all the great plans that you make, you know, God just sits there and laughs and, you know, stuff changes. Sometimes you have these circumstances outside your control that mess with you sometimes. So why un-messable? You know, why is it be un-messable? I had been working with a mutual friend of ours, Mourna, Kim Carpenter, and her and I were, you know, I kept hearing this, I kept hearing this voice say, write the book. And I didn't know really what that meant. I didn't know what book I was supposed to write. And in fact, when we had been homeless out in the woods, you know, in 2008, after we lost everything, I started to write a book and, you know, it was actually a book about addiction. But that ended up not being the book. It just kept going after I wrote that. Nothing really happened with it. I didn't really do anything with it. And I kept hearing this same phrase, write the book. So I kept exploring what that was. And when Kim and I were working together and she had a word that she had heard at a training that she had gone to, I think it was like a woman named Jocelyn Herman Saccio, and she had used this word un-messable with. And when I heard the word, I was like, oh my gosh, like that's it. I'm like un-messable. I know that. I know how to be un-messable. I know how to get through circumstances. Like if you look in the Urban Dictionary, it says to be able to face any circumstance without being thrown off course. And I was like, I know how to do that. I know how to do that. And so I had come up with a way to break it down into a process. And that's where the book came from. So after we lost everything in 2008, we got through it. We survived. We ended up, we're out there in the woods with our kids. We had three kids and a dog. And we survived. And not only survived, but we thrived through it. Our family became closer. Our family learned lessons that I don't think we ever would have learned had we not had that happen to us. So we came out stronger and more resilient. And one thing led to another. I ended up helping women in support groups. And then I found the love of mentoring women and pouring empathy and hope into them. And I ended up getting my strategic intervention coaching certification. And then one thing led to another. And I met Morna in 2018. And... 2018, what? Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, we, my husband and I, we built our business back up. During COVID, you know, you know the journey. Two years of COVID, we had our two best years. I mean, we had multi-million dollars, well, two years in a row during a global pandemic. I mean, it was just, it was crazy. And unmessable doesn't really mean, you know, that stuff's not going to happen to you or life's not going to be challenging, because it is. And my life is definitely not perfect right now by any means, but things are great. And, you know, we built our business back up. We bought land and we bought some other land in another state and we built houses on it and we're, you know, developing property. So it just, it's exciting because I want people to know that real change is possible. Like you don't have to, you don't have to settle for your life being the way it is right now. You can change it. And not only is change possible, but lasting change is possible. And that's what drives me to keep telling people about it. And really my goal, you know, I have it on my LinkedIn profile to equip a million people to be unmessable. Let's do it. Let's do it. I love that, Jim. And I want to just underscore a couple of things and we'll have a little chat about it, ladies. I've got to stop calling us ladies, women, grown women, human women. It's so, I want to clarify a couple of things and ask you a question about this, because I want to make it clear for folks listening that we're not talking about some fantasy scenario where life is always like this and, you know, we don't experience big emotions and we don't experience challenging situations. I think that the main, one of the main takeaways that I've received from your process and from the book and just actually from knowing you as a human being and being in community with you is that in the book you have the Chumbawamba song, which we're probably not allowed to sing because we'll get, you know, I get knocked down, but I get up again. And actually I think part of it is being able to spend a little less time on the ground. Yeah. Yeah. Like you can get knocked down, but you get up, you get up faster. You get up with less bruises, you know, less of an emotional hangover. It doesn't take you three weeks. You know, my husband and I used to have these fights that would last, oh my gosh, you know, the fight would last days. And then the emotional part of processing it would last weeks. I mean, it was crazy. And now, you know, we have stuff happen. It's like, okay, a few minutes. We're good. We've figured it out. We've got our deal. We know how to do things. And it's so much easier. You know, I mean, I'm with the same guy that I divorced. Yeah. It drives me crazy. Seriously, so it's like, yeah. Listeners, yes, we will do a podcast on that story, of course. I'm hearing a lot coming up. You, Joyce, as you listen to Karen. I have one very good question to ask you is, I keep listening to you sharing about the book that you want to write. Like there's a small voice inside you saying that, write a book, write a book. Like you are, you kind of don't know what is it and then how it will take. And you write your first version of the book called Addiction, just now you mentioned. And then I want to ask you, how do you, I mean, how do you start all this thing when you talk about, when you start to know that, okay, write a book, write a book, that small little voice and you become a real thing, you know, until you publish this unmaskable, the unmaskable. So share with us. Yeah, gosh, that's a great question. Well, it's interesting because I, the first time, you know, I wrote this book and I thought that that was like the direction that I wanted to go. And it was interesting because I never felt like there was. It was helpful, seriously helpful, but it wasn't something that felt like it was in alignment with who I am or what I wanted to put out into the world. And especially at the time, it felt a little bit taboo and I had younger kids and I really didn't want them to be a part of that, you know, in their growing up. I didn't want to take that into the world and have that be like, oh, that's your mom kind of thing. So it didn't, it didn't resonate like it felt great to do it, but didn't resonate. And so I just kept going on with life and it finally, you know, it kept nagging on me. You know who it is? It's like you have something, you see a meme or you see a show or a podcast or something and somebody says something like, do you have that little voice inside of you that's nagging on your shoulder? And it's like stuff like that would happen. And I had met Morna and we were in a group at the time that was entrepreneurs and at the beginning of, I think it was 2020, it was November of 19, when COVID was brewing before we knew about it. End of 19, she had asked me in November, she was like, okay, what are you going to commit to in our group for this year? And I'm just like, trying to figure out what it was. And I'm like, you know what, I just keep, if I don't commit to writing the book, I'm never going to do it. And I keep having that nagging kind of feeling about it. And I mean, I talk about it in the book, empowerment has so much to do with commitment and declaration. And part of what we did in the group was declared what we were going to do. And it was like, nobody was holding me accountable saying, hey, hey, are you doing this? You know, are you keeping up on your work or anything like that? Nobody was doing that. But it was, I've declared this, I'm going to do this now. And it's, well, it got me through COVID, that's for sure. It was like the crush that I had to get through some really difficult times with COVID, difficult times doing the construction work that we were doing with our company at that time. We had a really, really large contract that I'd never done a contract that large before. And it was kind of my, it was kind of like my little friend next to me. I always had these things that I had to think about while I was doing all this other stuff. I love that. And I'm super curious to find out what's coming up for Shuhada as she hears you talking. And just before we go there, I want to say, to put a plug for actually the Revolutionary Woman global community, because it wasn't just being in a community that helped with the book. For me, it's also incredibly inspiring and energizing to be around people who are doing that thing, you know. And everyone was doing something. Yeah. And I think that's, you know, the energy that I would want people to know right now is if there's something that's burning, a burning desire for you in your life, that you want to do something, it's like you got to get around other people who have that same energy because you'll see it happen and a lot quicker than you even think. Totally. Because often the people closest to us are like, really? You're going to do that? Yeah. Totally. I've got this question, like for those who are listening, they don't have your book yet, or, you know, they've never worked with you yet. Because you talked about real lasting change is possible, right? So perhaps you could share with me and our listeners, what is the first step or what is the trait maybe, that's probably the word that I should be using, what is the trait that one could try to cultivate into, you know, creating a real lasting change? What's the first step that they have to do? Or what's the trait that you could start to cultivate to making this real lasting change based on your experience? A couple things. One, the first thing that came to my mind is like, you have to know where you're going. You have to cultivate the practice of holding your vision in front of you all the time and knowing where you're going. And it's got to be where you really want to go. It can't be like, I want to stop doing this or, you know, I don't want any more of this in my life. It's like, it's got to be like the positive direction of where you're going, what you're doing, whether you're writing a book or starting a business or you just, you know, want a healthy, happy marriage or whatever, you want more joy in your life. You're going in a direction rather than I just want things to be different. I like that because it's like from an energy perspective, I always tell my clients the same thing, like you don't want something, but you don't focus on, I don't want this. Instead focus on, I want this. Like it's a more positive sound to it, right? I want this. I want this instead of, I don't want this to continue. I don't want this to keep going on. Then see what it is. But then it's also very important to know what is it that you don't want, because then it will give you the contract. What do you want? So from there, you will work on what you want from the positive side. Yeah. Yes. I love doing that. I play that game all the time myself where it's like, okay, I know what I don't want, which tells me the opposite is what I'm actually looking for. I love that. That's like a, yep. Yep. Yep. I love it. I love it. Thank you. Can you guys hear that bell? Huh? Can you guys hear that bell? No. I'm just going to ignore it then. It's in your head, Taryn. It must be a new voice. Right, right. No, like look, our conversation is making bells ring. Like how awesome is that? Of course it is. Of course it is. I love that, Jem. And there's so much that we can pick up on here. And as we begin kind of segueing to Joyce, I want listeners to really think about and ask us, you know, when you're following our show, when you're in our community, what do you want to know from Jem? What do you want to know from Shuhada? What do you want to know from Joyce? What do you want to know from me? You know, feel free to pick our brains, ask the questions, and feel free to tell us your bold vision. Because, you know, what I was alluding to before, sometimes you tell the people who are closest to you and it's like wah, wah. You know, way to suck the life out of the thing you really want. We're a team of champions for you. I don't care how crazy your vision is, I'm getting on board. Like, let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. There's no shrinking to make people feel comfortable in our group. No shrinking. No shrinking. And I'm curious to move to Joyce now and to introduce our third host, Joyce Wong. Hi, Joyce. And actually, I didn't say where anyone was from, but I'll do that when I record some intros and talk about you amazing people behind your back by the river. You'll hear it. I'm sure you'll feel the energy of it. You know, Joyce, without kind of giving away what you do in the world, you've got a really fascinating journey. And I'm curious for you to tell our listeners a little bit about the journey that took you into where you are now and who you are now. Thank you, Mona. I want to bring you all back a little bit on my little journey to become who I am today. So the first ever thing is I study food science and nutrition. I have my master's degree and I did research on the nutritional properties, the antioxidant compounds in the plant so that we know that what is the benefit that we can draw to the community. But after I finished my research, I never get into the research and I get into a pharmaceutical sales. I was a sales rep and I grow myself to become a sales manager. So that is my little story. I love the nature of being a salesperson, but that is something not resonate with me because I did not believe drug is the ultimate cure for everything. I know that it can help us to subside the symptoms of whatever we experience, but ultimately we need to go back to the fundamentals of our healthy lifestyle, our health, you know, to take care of ourselves. But again, like Jim, you have this little voice inside you that says, do something different. For me, I hear this voice, do something different. But first of all, I'm not sure what I want to do, but I know that I want to start something different, right? To help other people. Then fast forward the story. 2016, I experienced this constant neck pain at this site and I went to an ENT specialist and they get an ultrasound scan and come back with that telling me that, Joyce, I found the lump at your right thyroid here and then we suggest you to go through a surgery. And you know, that is the shocking news to me. But at the same time, I hear this question coming from nowhere. I don't know where this question coming from. If you're listening to me right now, if you were in my shoes, what is the number one question you were going to ask yourself? For me, I ask myself this. I don't care whether I'm going to live for three years, three months, one year or one month down the road. What is the one thing that I want to do, but I haven't started yet? But I mean, this is such a profound, you know, vividly, I can't really feel and know my answer. Do something different. I don't want to sell drugs to doctors anymore, you know, but that is the courage inside of me that actually stopped me from doing what I want to do. And I know that, okay, before I'm able to help other people, influence other people, the first ever person I want to influence is myself. So I know that back then I was just a mess in a way of, I always feel tired, lack of energy, like we are talking about energy today. Energy is like everything in our life. So I feel like lack of focus. I can't really focus well, memory not so good. And my skin is like terrible. Now you see me, I have the best complexion over the point over years. Last time, I have eczema. I have high red patches. I feel like I want to rip off my skin and the itchiness feel like lifeless. I don't feel like I have life anymore. I help myself with anti-insomnia like every day. And I know that I poison myself. I poison my own liver, but I cannot sustain my life without the anti-insomnia. I know that, if you all can relate to that. So I told the doctor that I will go into remission. I will find some time. I'll come back to you, but I never go back to him anymore. So for me as a food scientist and a nutritionist, I know one thing. I know the basic knowledge, the common sense for me, the common knowledge, but it's not a common practice for me. So I say, I want to do something. I pull some responses from my holistic nutrition friend and me, myself, revamp how I eat, how I move, how I manage my stress, how I eat everything. And I'm very grateful that the lung disappeared after two years. And what I did back then and what I'm still doing right now, it works. So this is something like, it's so, I know that if I can help myself, now I can help other people, right? And all the remarkable leaders that are listening to this, the universe is sending you to listen to this podcast. And I really hope that I want to remind you all is a myth of our busy lives, demanding schedule, all those things. Sometimes we just overlooked our own wellbeing to take care of our mental health, our physical health. We're all women leaders. We love to push ourselves towards all of the challenges. We work tirelessly, long hours. There we juggle so many responsibilities and also our obligations. It's just like we do not prioritize our wellbeing. And I just want to tell you, if you prioritize your wellbeing, the possibilities are limitless. Your health is not a luxury. It is a fundamental for everything that you're building upon. Okay. Let's, let's, let's pick up on that point that you just made, Joy. It's not a luxury. It is fundamental. You can't do the work you're here to do in the long term. Not only you can't do it, but actively believe, and I'm curious what you think about this, Joy, we're actually causing more ill health and harm in the world. We work ourselves to death. When we, you know, don't have, talk about energy and being under, when you're nutritionally depleted, when you're, you know, when you're, when you're running, I'm curious, Joy, what is, what's one of the biggest barriers for them to create lasting, sustainable changes in their habits when it comes to what we put in our mouth? Yeah. Yeah. Just like, just now Shahada asked Karen about that, right? What is the thing that, for me, I found that a lot of us can't sustain that change that we want to go. It's because we haven't drilled into who we are, the identity of who we are, who we really are. So a lot of times the limiting beliefs around us, like what Shahada mentioned when, or her sharing, we have all the limiting beliefs around us that we don't even know it. So we have to clear all the things and know who we exactly in the core we are. And from here, we definitely can have the lasting change. Yeah. So Joyce, you know, what you're talking about, it's like lasting change really starts from within and, you know, each of us has to really take a look inside our own lives. Like when, when I was talking about what was going on for me, I wasn't being true to myself. You know, I had somebody outside of me letting me know, you know, I was in a health food store and I was looking for supplements and he's like, you don't need supplements. Like you need to just figure out who you are. I was like, wow. I was, I was young at that time. I was like in my thirties and I was like, oh geez, I had no idea. I didn't know who I was, but I had like these panic attacks and he's like, yeah, you got a whole other issue. So in your work, you know, is that kind of how it is? It's like, you're able to, you know, kind of pick out for people what, what they're needing to do and look inside. Yes, definitely. This is one of the core that we want to help people to discover who they are at the core. All right. At the same time, I believe that you see, we have the car tire, we have four tires, right? So we have each of the pillars to hold us. One of the pillars, very big pillar, that is discover who we are at the core. And then we have to get ourselves knowing, yeah, what are we going to practice in our daily lifestyle, how we manage our stress, how we eat, how we move, how we sleep. That is the few pillars. If you just ignore, you have three good pillars, but you have broken one, the car also cannot move, right? This is the scenario I always, you know, the narratives that I always use to let people know that all of these parts, we need to take care of. You know, different people, we have different challenges. So from there, we will go into the one that how we can better help individually. Yeah, that's so great. That makes total sense because, you know, your car is, you got four wheels on your car. One of the wheels is not working. I'm promising you, you're on the side of the road. Yeah. Yeah. I, Shihata, we're going to go to you to begin wrapping up in a moment. And I, just before we go there, we haven't talked about me yet. So I'm not going to give you some huge spoiler alerts on my bits of my story. And a lot of what I talk about and the focus at Art of 3G is about really tuning into our purpose, tuning into that thing that we really, really care about. And, you know, I think for me in my life, when I couldn't find the, it's been that purpose that has driven me to become the person that I need to become to fulfill that purpose, which is probably a similar way of saying vision. Although for me, purpose and vision can be slightly different because purpose is a thread that has just kind of throughout my life, that fundamental intrinsic drive. And, you know, I was just thinking as you were talking, Joyce, and maybe then we segue into wrapping up. With the whole identity thing, you know, I've spent a lot of my life as a larger woman, you know, and we can, you know, in terms of when I've been very successful at shifting my body into the way that I'd like it to be, I actually have to become that person first. I have to become that person first. Like if you want to become a runner, if you want to run a marathon, most people just can't get up and run a marathon. You have to become a runner, if that makes sense, right? So we're going to be talking a lot about becoming on this season. And I certainly heard a theme here, and I know you have, Shuhada, what's been coming up for you as we exit today? Yeah, you know, the interesting observation that I made, like the common theme of I think all of us, what we spoke about today, is one, perseverance, and whatever that you do, whatever you're going through, you've got to persevere. And then the other thing is influence, right? Like I was talking about energy, how Karen said you can influence others with your energy, that's absolutely true. And the other thing that I noticed is that how, when people talk about when Karen was talking about your book, Gem, you were talking about your book, that you were working in a community of people who, well, they weren't holding you accountable, but they sort of like hold a space for you to maybe share your ideas and whatnot, right? Yeah, like a witness. Yeah. And that's, it requires community for that. And so these are the three things that I observed that I was like, oh, this is interesting. And to those who are listening, this may sound like I'm trying to market RWG, but it's not, but I find these things, I find these three things, like perseverance, I may not have it, but somebody else's story would then, you know, influence and inspire me to persevere, like how Gem's story has so many others and myself included. You find all this in a community, and I can happily say that I found that in RWG. You see everybody's nodding, all the ladies here are part of RWG, nodding their head, of course, more than being the founder, the awesome founder. She's like the one, you know, she's a leader. Um, yeah, and I, this is something that I wanted to say, like, I observed this, and then this is what, and who we are in RWG, and I'm just so grateful that we are a part of it. Absolutely. It's, it's being part of a community is what allows you to take those necessary steps to get whatever burning desire is in you into reality. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Right. What are you thinking, Joyce? I definitely, definitely love RWG. You know, this is the community that, yeah, thanks, Warner, for actually creating this one, and I, I love, because of COVID, because of COVID, and thanks to COVID, I managed to meet you all awesome, awesome ladies here, and community for me is a group of us that we are committed to grow together, to progress together, and we definitely see every one of us here is like growing up to a better self. So let's come and join us, like, again, like marketing, let's come and join us, you know, we were going to do this together. Yeah. I love that, Joyce, Jem, and Shihara, and as you close out, I want to say two things. One is, if you've got a business and you're in our community, you market it. You put it out there, like, you know, let's not shy away from telling people what we have to offer and putting it out into the world. And, and secondly, I want to talk briefly about community as we, as we wrap up, and the power of it, and actually the power of being in a global community, firstly. And secondly, talking about perseverance, getting to where we want to go, you know, we want it to look like this. And actually, it's more like, you know, all of these different pieces, and exactly, and the power of being in a community, especially a long term community, because, you know, RWG, the folks that are around the table, and, you know, we're, I feel like we're in this for the long haul, for the, for the, for the long run. And so, you come into a community where if your spark goes out for a while, that's okay, because the rest of the community is carrying that torch for you until you're ready to, to come back to it. And I think that's the power of community. Together, we're so much stronger. We were never meant to do any of this alone. So come and out, come and hang out, come and listen to us every week, subscribe, all those good things, and tell us what you want to hear from us this season, and we'll see you next week. Shall we wave? I don't know what our outro is, but we'll wave. Bye!