J Ens - Golf Galaxy

Jamie Upchuck, also known as D-Hurl, talks about his love for golf and his recent hole-in-one. He shares how he has been working on improving his golf game and making swing changes. Jamie also discusses his job at Golf Galaxy and how he has learned about golf equipment and club fitting. He mentions the benefits and challenges of using TrackMan technology for analyzing his swing. We're going to miss a lot of y'all, introducing Danny Upchuck, aka D-Hurl, that was it. The most important thing you have to do, especially playing a fade, the most important thing that can happen is you make sure you fade it. Yep, yep, you sure did, that is such a cool shot. Wow. Welcome to another episode of Scratch Quest, I'm your host Andrew, and today I have a very special guest, a very close buddy. We have grown to love the game of golf kind of simultaneously, our wives are childhood best friends, and through that Jamie's got a daughter and a son that are the same age as my younger two, and so we've traveled together, we've been on several family vacations, and man I don't know how many years it is now, but now our family vacations have kind of morphed into, where are we going to play golf, and then we'll vacation around that. So with no further ado, Jamie, what's happening man, how are you? Doing well sir, doing well. I appreciate you coming on man, I appreciate you coming on, I'm really glad that you set up your background with your hole-in-one certificate directly behind you, PGA National, and then Calloway sent you a follow-up also? Calloway did, hole number two, 148 yards, Palmer Golf Course. July 2nd of 2023 as a matter of fact. I faintly remember that, I think the way the story went is, you and I were playing by ourselves, a foursome went off right in front of us, why the starter didn't let us go in front of that foursome I'll never know, but to your advantage it gave you an audience on number two, and they were like, they waved us through immediately, and number two, the par three down at PGA National, I got up first, and I shanked it, dead right into the bushes. So it was like the exact opposite of what you want to do once you have an audience. Jamie gets up there, and hits a little baby cut left of the hole, and then it just feeds right and goes straight into the hole for your first ever hole-in-one, and that group did do it nuts too. They did. God, we all jumped up and down and hooped and hollered, people were walking out of the back of their porches like, what's going on, bringing class with me wherever I go. Man, you brought it all the way down to Jupiter at PGA National. Mm-hmm. I guess that's where I did. Before we get into the golf galaxy thing, how's the golf game, where's it at right now? So my manager got on me about a month and a half ago. I usually go in early on Saturday and Sunday mornings before open and swing and use the facilities, and he come up to me and he's like, baby, you got to stop. He said, I can't watch you swing anymore. He said, it's hurting me. It's horrible and wretched and everything. So he got me started in on a stock swing, which is pretty much what everybody has except for me, and it couldn't be any more uncomfortable playing golf right now. It's really changed. It's changed a lot. I'm not scoring this year. I don't care what I score. My scoring is different. It's fairways hit, approaches onto greens from longer distances. My putting's struggling right now, but as you know, I slice the ball. I come over the top, something god-awful, and using the track man technology, you really don't really know how much you come over the top, and I was coming, good Lord, out to in 10, 12 degrees on average, negative 12 degrees on average, and in a month and a half, I've choked it back to three to two degrees, if not 0.5 and straight down. That's a big difference. It is. And it's still uncomfortable. It'd be like trying to walk in high heel shoes. Making a swing change is really hard, because you're fighting against your body's tendency that you've had for years. None of it feels natural. Absolutely. 20 years of that. Yeah, you're fighting an uphill battle. To give everybody some background, so Jamie has a full-time job. He works for Columbia Gas in Lexington, Kentucky. About last October, Golf Galaxy opened up in Lexington, and Jamie picked up a second job. Now, Jamie, you do not need the money for this. You purely picked up this job for the love of golf, to learn more about the equipment, about your swing, about other people's swings, and kind of all the factors that kind of culminate to play good golf. Like, you're in the midst of learning all of this. I know you're changing grips and doing a bunch of equipment stuff, but what led you to that initial decision to say, you know what? This is a good idea. I want to spend some of my free time working in Golf Galaxy. Well, they opened up in Lexington in October, and, you know, we were pushing time change. McKenzie's golf season was over. Easton had gotten out of fall ball, was coming to an end, so it was kind of a dead period for me to do anything. So instead of coming home all winter and sitting on the couch at 4 o'clock when it's pitch dark, it's like, hey, you know what? Seems like a great idea. I'm sure there's some benefits that have come out of it, but, you know, let's do this. And it was a great idea. It is a great idea, but I never really thought much past the cold winter months and now doing, you know, 40, 45 hours at my main job and picking up, you know, another 10 to 15 a week plus mowing yards and having lacrosse and baseball. And I was like, you know, this may not have been a really good decision, but it was just – it was something for me to do to keep my mind busy. I didn't want to come home and just get stale and not do anything. So since you've been there, what's kind of – what's your role been since it started, and has it changed to where you're at now? Because I've got to imagine you're – you've got to be the most seasoned as far as, like, work experience of everybody in there. We – when it first opened, there were some – there was one or two – see, I mean, besides management, there were a couple of seasoned people. Other than that, it's, you know, it's young college kids. And it's, you know, their desire, I'm sure if I were to say, and I'm not too far off, is like, oh, man, you know, I play golf. This might be a little extra kickback and some benefits and whatnot. And I just kind of wanted to get in and learn. You know, I've always – in any job that I've ever had, I wanted to start at the ground floor and go up. So when I work at a golf store, figure out what makes things tink. Was hired as a club tech and, you know, walking around the store being – showing all this equipment, which consists of sanding belts and cutting discs and all the normal stuff that I use every day at work. You know, they're like, you know, can you handle this? And I'm like, man, I don't know. It's kind of technical. Yeah, I was like, yeah, I think I'll be able to handle this. And then got into that and it was like, hey, you know, we're going to get you certified and let you start fitting clubs and be a fitter and doing all that. And, man, I'll tell you what, in the time that I've been there, I could – I can do it. I've got all my certification. Calaway, Titleist and Strixon and, you know, everybody's classes online, but I like the club tech aspect. I like, you know, there's so much – there's way so much more that goes into golf than, you know, finding your length, your loft, your lie. You know, you start getting into swing weight, balance weights, counterweights. It just – it gets into a whole bunch of technicality and then it's kind of like you get on the golf course and you're like, maybe I need to throw seven ounces of tungsten in the, you know, in the butt of my club because I can probably get another 20 yards out of it. Or maybe let's put two ounces of lead tape on the bottom. So it's a curse and a blessing at the same time. Yeah, you've opened up Pandora's box. Now you're learning it all and probably seeing all the windows that you can apply it in. Oh, yeah. You know, having Mackenzie at 16 going into her junior year, it's kind of like, you know, everybody's got their EDC bags and I'm not too far away from putting an emergency repair bag together so when she gets on the course, I can throw something together for her real quick when she decides to break something. That's funny. So you've been in Club Tech. I know you've got all the certifications you just mentioned for all the manufacturers, so you know the equipment inside and out. And then past that, you also have spent a shitload of time on the TrackMan base, and you kind of mentioned it earlier about, you know, your in-to-out path and the degree, but what do you think, like, hitting that much on a simulator has done personally for your swing? Because I think we've talked about it before, and I have, you know, that little Garmin launch monitor, and it's nothing like a TrackMan, but it at least gives me face path. And until I started using that, I didn't realize, like, you know, all the swings that I take in my batting cage, you feel like you're doing something right, and then you look down and you're like, oh, it's not anywhere close to where, you know, the dispersion and all that stuff. And until I started consistently using that, then I didn't start making adjustments that, like, really helped my game. So, like, as much as you've hit on a TrackMan, the damn near every time you go in, you hit, don't you? Yeah. Before or after, right? Usually before. I'm probably usually in an hour, hour and a half early and will hit. In my instance, I'm a very visual learner. Textbooks in school were never my thing, but it's, you know, it's show me once and I can get it down. Having the TrackMan, and, of course, the way I set it up, is I'll run a split screen of the driving range on the left-hand side, and then I have the technical part of the club face, which will give me my swing path, dynamic line, my in-to-out, my open-to-close degrees, attack angle, launch angle, and have been working all winter just staying constant with it and seeing it, and then getting those couple of lessons and changing my swing. It is a whole lot easier to see where I'm at visually. You know, what I think is coming and dropping the club and then coming from, you know, in-to-out is still leading over the top from out-to-in and vice versa, and then I can make those adjustments, you know, just as simple as walking up, grabbing the ball, and going back in and getting your real-verse feel actually down and how it actually translates to what you think you're doing in your mind versus what you're actually doing. You know, all the hours spent on the driving range, like, oh, yeah, you know, I think I've got this, and then going in and seeing it on the TrackMan is like, oh, no, that's nowhere close to where I need to be. Yeah, I would think your yardage, too, is another big thing because, like, if you hit, you know, ten shots with your sixth iron, like, you know exactly whether, you know, it's 190 to 195 or whatever, and then, you know, like, I used Arcos for a while, and it was like it takes into account all the bad shots, too. So it's not like just because you're on a range in a perfect setting, you're not always hitting that club here at 190 exactly every time. So I imagine TrackMan gives you a pretty good feel for what your yardages are so that you can play, you know, if you're out playing, you can play the wind, you can play the shot that you need to based on. It does to a point, but it's still climate-controlled golf. You never, you know, it's always, you know, it's always sunny in 72 out on the job site in the dead middle of winter. But it's, you know, to keep your yardages consistent, you know, to actually see what your actual carry numbers are versus going to the driving range, you're safe to say you're plus or minus five yards. So that'll give you a roundabout on where it's at. You mentioned you've taken a couple lessons. Is that with, like, is there a pro at Golf Galaxy? There is a pro at our store, and it's usually just my manager. He's a 20, 25-year PGA pro. So he's done, I guess, because I asked him going down a rabbit a last, and I was like, you know, how do we get involved in the PGA? And he's like, well, what do you want, what part? It's broke up into four parts. So you've got your actual players part, your teaching part, your office and, I guess, kind of clerical part, and then you've got your golf course maintenance. And I'm like, well, there you go. I can relate to that. That seems like an easy, yeah, it's like 200 hours worth of classes. And I'm like, yeah, no, you know, I don't need to go 200 hours to tell me how to mill a yard. But I'm sure it's, you know, he's in there, and it's just one of those things. He's just, I'm tired of watching you swing. You need to do this. And it's – What is he, after watching you swing? Because a lot of amateurs, I mean, me, too, like I get to the top and be like, when I'm not swinging good, my first move is out, like out towards the ball instead of kind of down the elevator shaft first, right? So what is he working with you on, and, like, has he given you drills? Or what is he working on to help you correct that? It's the drill of laying the club across your chest and then taking your backswing up and then getting that club back down and turning your hips. It's the same drill I've watched my daughter do for two hours at a time. And it's like fixing it from the ground up. That's the thing I've worked on. Yeah. Yeah. It's – I mean, it's the basics. That's the move, just stock swing, get this move down, and it'll be three months, and then he says you'll be ready to go. And I'm like, well, shit, we probably should have started this back in January and not March because now we're getting into prime golf season. You know what's helped me a lot is I'll mix in my workouts. I'll grab, like, a lighter kettlebell, and I'll kind of turn my hands, like, facing away from each other, grab the kettlebell, get kind of in my golf pants, and then that move you just described with the hand that's part of your step, I'm more or less, like, trying to use my lower body, and I feel kind of like – the way I would describe it, I guess, is, like, my hips are kind of moving in, like, a U-shape. Like, as I take it back, I'm, like, bending that frail hip, and then I'm using my lower body to kind of move that kettlebell. And then, like, the other thing it does is, like, my top hand, my right hand, because I'm righty, like, it always forces that kettlebell into that slot, and I have to use the ground to get the kettlebell to move back the opposite direction. I feel like that, at least for me, that feeling has really helped my lower body kind of sync up, and I feel like when you do that, so your golf galaxy pros point, like, I feel like the arms and stuff, it's easier to let the arms fall behind you and stay inside the ball when you do when your lower body is moving. We played enough together, you know, I was all upper body. That whole ground to hip transfer, throwing your weight around and making the connection and pushing on, it just, I understood it. I just couldn't do it. And, you know, I never really felt it until you get on to, you know, TikTok and watching the one guy that does the juju swing and throws it kind of like the Matt Wolf, throws it way outside, and then come back in. And at that point, it kind of clicked. Like, hey, now I can feel the ground, but I could never feel it in a stock swing. So now it's kind of morphed to a stock swing. And one thing I noticed that I'm doing is when I'm gripping the club, I'm getting my forearms as close as I can. And, of course, I'm not fairly broad, but I bring them in. Holding those elbows in. Holding those elbows in and then swinging. God, I never really knew how bad my swing was until I started to admit, how in the hell did you ever watch me play golf? Yeah. I mean, it's horrible. Hey, man, you're the one with the whole one statue sitting behind you. I don't have one of those. It's just, it feels, it's the whole, you know, what I thought was connected and then using the TrackMan technology and actually seeing is not. And now my swing feels a whole lot, everything feels connected. My tempo stays the same. And I can tell about, like, how you were the other day when you start speeding it up, coming back down. That's when I get in trouble. So it's staying in my mind frame of do this, do this. All right. No more swing thoughts. Tempo back. Tempo forward. And let it go. It is what it is. We'll play it wherever it goes. Yeah. So, all right. So let's talk about, like, the latest equipment. Because you're seeing it all and you see a lot of it. You sent me a picture of the AI Smoke, like, way before it even came out. Like, what, in your opinion, is the AI Smoke, like, all the hype as far as forgiveness and stuff, is its best driver available? I personally do not like the AI Smoke driver. I cannot hit it. Their irons, their irons are hot. I mean, they are, oh, shit, they are hot. You've seen me. My 7-iron with my Sims is a 150 carry. And I can, at an 87-mile-an-hour swing speed with a stiff shaft, which I have no business being in, can carry 185, 190 with a 7-iron. Yeah. That drops me three clubs in my bag. Damn. And it's, I watched a guy come in today. Is that like a cavity back? You know, it's just a game-improvement iron. It's their new hollow cavity back game-improvement iron. It's crazy. I watched a guy come in tonight, and he's like, I'd like to try one of those AI Smokes. And I was like, all right. 7-iron. Carried it. 205. What? And I'm like. Did he buy them? I was like, holy shit. And he's like, man, I don't know if I like the way they feel. And I'm like, hey, brother, it's your money. I put him in 790, and it was like 160. And I was like, so what do you think? And he goes, I think I like the AI Smokes better. And I'm like, yeah, do you think so? I'll be carrying it 203. I said, what do you carry your driver? He's like 240. And I'm like, you're hitting a par 5, and you're a driver of a 7 and like a 60. You're 3-cloth. Why wouldn't you buy those? But yeah, the AI Smokes, they're hot. They're really hot. Kevin got the driver. Johnny also got the AI Smoke driver. They both really like it so far. Two of the boys that I play with, Hunter, that you've played with, he's got the AI Smoke. And of course, last year in October, he quit. So he is a bucket of rust. But when he grabs a hold of it, it's gone. And of course, when he doesn't, it's left or it's right. His swing right now is junk. He just gave it up. But they're really impressed with them. Like I said, two of them bought them, and when they grab a hold of them, they are pit whistles straight down the middle for days. What have you learned as far as like driver stuff? Because I feel like most people underestimate just how important it is to have the right staff. Ben always describes it like you could be driving a Ferrari with a Honda engine if you don't have the right staff. Of course, shafts all go up five ounces in weight, which doesn't seem like a lot. But you can get a Fireflex heavier shaft and get some damage done as far as not having to swing up out of your shoes. So the average golfer, my skill level, not yours and or Ben's, you start getting into any shaft, whether it's a driver or it's an iron shaft, you start getting a stiff tip. Like what would it be? Oh, shoot. I got my cheat book here, hold on. Ascending mass. This is, yeah, this is like I've got my gas bobble at work all the time. This is my little Galaxy bobble here that I carry with me constantly. Getting into my iron shafts. You know, you get into your stiffer tips and your softer middles by dynamic gold. And I mean, you get lost in them. There's so many things that you can do through your shafts. And Ben's right, if it's not the right ascending mass, like your AMT by True Temper, I've gone about halfway through the True Temper shaft school, because there's so many shafts out there and different combinations. If the club's not put together right, you could be missing 20, 30 yards of distance and five to 10 yards left or right. Yeah. You know, I hit a high shot. I kind of still scoop my driver, so I've switched and gone to a mid-launch, mid-spin, giving me a little bit more penetrating ball flight. And that's not how it should be set up for my caliber of golf. Get the height out of it and let it roll a little bit more. It takes the spin. The track man shows it. It takes a little bit more spin off of my ball than what is desired between that 25, 2,800 RPM. You know, I'm down close to 2,000. But with doing that, my slice has now turned into a little cut. Because it's not going all over the place because of the RPM, you don't have some ball that's, like, going all over the planet. Like, even if you miss, it's kind of big. No, and I don't get the distance off of it, but I get the consistency. I can make the rest of it up somewhere else. Yeah. You've always been pretty good around the greens. Like, you've got natural feeling with your wedges. Like, you're pretty comfortable. I can't do this. You're pretty comfortable almost going pretty high and close to the hole and landing it super soft around the greens, where, for me, I can't even see that shot. I have to, like, play it more like a bump and run and get it on and just figure out where I need to land it so that it rolls to the hole. So, yeah, it's your point. Like, you can definitely make it up. I didn't realize this, but you're apparently joining us in Miami in a couple weeks. Yeah. You know, Jimmy's coming. I was like, what? Heather texted, and she's like, what are you doing, you know, 13th, 14th, and 15th? And I was like, I don't have any plans. And she's like, well, they're going to go to Miami and play Duran. I was like, well, hold on. Let me call you back real quick. Straight to email. Hey, not going to be here these dates. I said, yep, I can go. And then I thought about it. It was on Wednesday because we had a safety meeting. And I called her when I was walking to the safety meeting. And I was like, oh, man, I can't go. And she's like, why not? And I was like, the 14th is our 19-year anniversary. I'm going to have to stay here. And she's like, no, go. And I was like, okay, I've got to call you later. Bye. Oh, my God. So I have full blessings. That's a good life. I called Vivedit. You're out of Golf Galaxy. In the interview, I told him, I was like, man, I will play golf and travel. Drop a hat. Like, I got clubs. We'll travel. And he's like, yeah, yeah, okay, okay. So they roll their schedule out three weeks in advance. So I'm already booked up until like middle of May. And I called him. I was like, hey, you know, XYZ, these dates, I'm not scheduled to work. But, you know, the 15th, I'm supposed to be there. I'm not going to be there. And he's like, well, you know, what's the reason? And I always torment the piss out of him. I am an instigator. And I'm like, I think that falls underneath HIPAA rule. You can't really ask me why. But, you know, I'm giving him a hard time. And he's like, well, what's the real reason? I was like, oh, man, I'm going to be in Miami playing around. He's like, are you serious? I'm like, yeah, I told you in like a drop of a hat I will go. And he's like, man, you are a piece of work. And I was like, I've been calling you up in life. I know the tone that goes with that. So it's a good thing. I said, so I'll see you Thursday. And he's like, eh, fair enough. So, yeah, surprise. Yeah. Awesome. Good to be down there with you. Hell, yeah. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I got to get it. Serious, get it. Like, I, it's funny, I'm like traveling the line of like, you know, I'll have rounds that I can play 18 holes where I feel really comfortable and like there's not a whole lot of missing. And then I'll have another round. Not that I'm like blowing it off the map. Like a bad round for me now is like 82 to 84 kind of thing. But it's just like once you get the feeling of having like that consistent tempo and it's like, man, I feel like I can hit the ball exactly where I want it, no matter what club it is. Like you just don't want to ever play another round. It's not like that. And we played today and it was driver wasn't as bad as the other day where it was a bunch of pull hooks. But I just couldn't like dial it in. I couldn't like put it all together. So I think I shot 84. So my 74 was super short lived. So I got to get back on track, especially before we go play Doral. Well, I got games Sunday with McKenzie and Josh. And then I know there's a couple of people on Monday. I'm sick on Monday because there's a golf grandma going on. This is good. No, it's when you're a co-worker. I was going to say sidebar. When McKenzie and I played in Florida, dude, she hit the ball really good for 18, all 18 holes. She might've had like one or two bad tee shots, but like overall, he played really, really well. I want to say she shot like a 90, low 90s. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I want to say she shot like a 90, low 90s, something on a course she'd never ever played before. What did she end up shooting? 97, 98, 96, 98. Somewhere around in there for the first 18 of the year. You had her play the whites, didn't you? Yeah. She was like, my dad won't let me play in there. I was like, your dad's not here, so you can do whatever you want. She was like, no, I'm going to play the whites. I was like, all right, that's fine. We went two or three weeks ago, and a couple of the guys from work, her and I, we went to Cherry Blossom and played. Cherry Blossom's kind of jacked their tees around, so she played from the goals, which played about 5,800 yards. The next setup was about 63, which is about the limit of my game. And she flat drugged my ass all over that golf course. She always struggled. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She always struggles on par threes. Yeah, and hit every green on the par three. Then especially number 12 going across water, it's like her big mental block. She hit it and parred it. And, I mean, she was – like her misses weren't bad, like maybe two foot into the rough on the right-hand side and got to talking about, you know, if that's going to be your miss for the day, let's make adjustments for it. And she lined it out. Yeah, that's what we talked about. Yeah, would have probably done a D92 if she got on 18 and not just kind of put it around. Talk her into it. I was like, McKenzie, where's your miss? She was like, well, it always kind of goes right. I was like, all right, well, why don't you just line up towards – you know, get on the right side of the tee box, line up towards the left side of the fairway. You screw up and hit it straight, now you're in the left side of the fairway. If you hit your normal shot, you're in the middle of the fairway. And she did that. And then, like, she started bombing some of her drives and they were dead straight. And then, you know, it was just little things like, you know, learning how to tip around the greens and putting and stuff. But, yeah, overall, she did pretty good. We talked a lot about – I was like trying to explain to her that, like, I'm not thinking about a ton of things when I take my swing. Like, I pick my line, I pick my shot, I get set up. And then, like, I'm more or less just totally focused on impact. Like, the impact of the ball, the feeling of what I'm about to do. And I kind of planted that seed in her head and was like, just don't think about anything other than impact. By the end of the round, she said that helped because she wasn't thinking about the water or she wasn't thinking about blowing it off, right. She was just thinking about, like, feeling the impact at one point. And so, yeah, it was fun to watch. Oh, I heard that. Because I've been trying golf for, like, two years. Right? She was in club in seventh grade. So she picked it up about COVID like everybody else in the world did. So, you know, she's four years into this. Okay. Made starting five freshman year. I did ask her that day I played with her, I said, you know, when you hit that shot, what were you thinking? Well, Andrew said that if I don't like, oh, shit, never mind. You know, I don't care. Because I'm sure it's probably something I've told you a hundred times and you just don't listen to me, but because Andrew said it. Yeah, we could say the same thing, but it came from your mouth. I know how that goes with Jets. Funny, he had – I don't know where this came from, but he downloaded PGA 2K and we've been playing that. And now he's like, can I get a set of clubs? I'm like, man, I'm not buying you a lefty set of clubs until I know that you actually really want to try and play. So we might try and get a couple, like, used clubs from one of his buddies that's a lefty or, like, try to play against him and see if he's really in. I would like for them to learn it because I feel like – so case in point, played with Ben. Damn if he didn't call his – this was his first round of the year. Today, like, this was his first round in May. He's played two scrambles. I guarantee he hasn't picked up a club. He shot a 74 with four birdies. And it's like, what the fuck, man? Like, you know when I hit in the batting cage? I hit 500 balls a day. And you can wake up and just, like, sleepwalk in 74. But the point being, like, he's been doing it since he was a kid, right? So, like, if I can get into it at all and at least get him some sense of, like, here's how you navigate a course. Like, here's – you know, if you're blown out right, here's how you adjust it. Here's, like, grip, stance, and putting, and at least, like, a foundation of it so that they can use it later. I mean, it's funny because Kevin and I were also talking about how, like, we grew up thinking golf was so fucking lame. Now we're totally obsessed with it. Easton came home a week or so ago and he's like, I'm done with baseball. I want to quit. They've got me a catcher. I hate it. And I'm like, all right, quit. Heather's like, no, I don't think so. I'm like, no, I got this. I got this. He's like, you're going to let me quit? I'm like, yeah. He goes, all right, I'm done. And I'm like, sweet. We need to start scheduling you some golf lessons. And he's like, golf is for old fogies like you. And I'm not playing golf. And I said, I guess you're going to quit baseball. And I'm like, you turd. And he'll out-drive his sister. And it's just like, now I know how my dad felt. Like, God, my God, I just want to choke you. Go do this. And all the years that I've bucked the system and was like, nope. I could have been a country club baby, taught by a pro, no big deal. And I was like, this is stupid. I'm not doing this. You're a loser. Yeah. The only dude I watched growing up was Tiger Woods. I'm glad I at least paid attention to him. Yeah, it's so funny because all my buddies, like, we're all on the same stage where playing golf is just the best. All right, before we get out of here, man, I'm going to hit you with a golf. You know the drill on that, all right? You ready? Let's have it. All right, out of every vacation we've been on, give me your top three courses we've played. Oh, okay. Number one would be the Rookery in 22 because that's when I beat you. Fair enough, fair enough. That's number one. And the Marco Island, that whole trip was great. That was like the vacation golf. Like all the Marco Island golf we played, all the courses were bad-ass. I liked that a lot, too. Yeah. Val Dente was nice because you get to watch it on, you know, the Mexican Open. So that's like, oh, yeah, we've been there. It was like we went in, the day we checked in, they're like, yeah, you guys have to stay and play. You can play every day. So we went to the pro shop and we're like, give us the first tee time every single day we're here. First one's out, first one's back. And going across their version of the Mississippi and the golf cart. Yeah, the Ropeway. I don't think people realize that that's the only way to get over to that side of the course. And it's barely wide enough of a golf cart. Like don't stick your legs out or they're getting topped off by the bridge. Yeah. Man, I mean, PGA was good. I don't think we've had a bad vacation. I think you and I are very fortunate, both of us, that we've married two women that are like, let's just go to the beach. Well, what golf courses are around it and we'll build it from there. And then, you know, on the flip side, they don't have too bad because you and I always have first tee time. We're usually back by nine, nine 30, before anybody gets up already at the beach set up, ready to go. I tell all my buddies, I'm like, they're like, how do you play so much golf? I'm like, man, I can schedule it to where I'm back by the time they're just waking up. So like, I was never gone. It's not like I'm playing at 10 AM and playing a six hour around and I'm killing the whole day. And I don't like to do that anyways, especially when we're down at the beach. Cause like man, the best day in the world is when you can play 18 and you can just go chill at the beach all day, sunup, sundown, like the combination. All right. All right. Good, good, good three there. A follow up to that is like, give me three bucket courses that are on your list. We haven't played. If you want to play at some, we've also played the wind, we've played all those courses in Vegas. Thought about that. I guess, um, I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind going North, Upper Peninsula, Upper Peninsula, getting some Michigan golf. Okay. There's supposed to be some really good golf in there. Yeah. I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind doing Pinehurst. We got to do Macklemore. I mean, that, that one's knocked off the list. Yeah. I was, I was back though. We're going to go back. Now we're going to have to play Macklemore and we're going to have to also play the, what's the new one, the keep or the keep? I think it's the keep. I saw an ad for it earlier today. Maybe something, maybe a branching trip. Oh, yeah. We got to do that. Payne Valley or whatever. Yep. I want to do Whistling Strait in Wisconsin. Like that's on my list. I do want to go back to Pinehurst. And I think like me and Kevin should plan because Pinehurst is like maybe four hours from us. So it's not that bad. Like you could go, I think last time we did Pinehurst, we went on like a, I think we left really early on a Thursday. We played two rounds. And then the next day we played number two. And then I think we played one more course after that. Um, but you could, you could get a lot done in like two or three days. Yeah. I got to get, I got to talk to some of my guys and get them in on these golf trips because they know they're, oh man, we know we played a really nice course. And we did. And I'm like, You don't even know what a nice course is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's a nice course, but you haven't, a nice course. You had it at Hammond Bay where there's a private airship and every, every car in the parking lot is a Bentley or Ferrari. Yeah. No kidding. Top down, ready to go. All right. Next question. What's your last one? Next question is what is the best snack at the turn in your opinion? Oh man, it's peanut butter fluff. I knew you were going to say that. That's why I asked. Oh, got to. That was like the most pleasant surprise I've ever had. Oh, I know. It's so bad that there's still a jar of peanut butter fluff. It's like a, it's like a, it's like a, I want something sweet and there's nothing really kind of hitting it. It's, it's always crispy bacon with peanut butter fluff. So yeah, at the, we played Macklemore at the turn. The lady talked us into their signature sandwich at the turn was peanut butter fluff and bacon. Right. Did she put honey on it? No, it was the, I guess it's not peanut butter fluff. It's peanut butter. Bacon and marshmallow fluff. Yeah. That's all on Texas toast. Oh God. How good was it though? And yeah, that hit really, really good. That was so out of left fielder. It's like, oh, I was never thinking of this, but this sounds fucking amazing right now. Oh yeah. I think the only thing that would have made it a little bit better would have been the peanut butter. Oh yeah. I think the only thing that would have made it a little bit better would have been maybe an old school iceberg. I think that would hit the spot. Yeah. Icebergs are a go-to at any beach slash all-inclusive resort. Which, side note, we have, I don't think I've sent this out to the group, but we have book, believe it or not, I don't think I've sent this out to the group, but we have booked three villas at Casa de Campo in the Dominican. Yeah. For our 40th this year. Yeah. So I'll send you all that info, but I think it's like second week of November, maybe November 11th. But yeah, we have all that locked in. So there's like 30 people going. Yeah. That's, that's not a. That's my goal. That's going to be your, your 40th birthday present is. Campo. Yeah, that's, that's where, that's where I'm, I'm working towards. So I'm going to forego my whole summer and just fly under the radar, maybe sandbag you on vacation and then put the nose to the ground. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like, oh, you got me that time. You got me that time. I was looking like a fucking all star. Damn it. He called it. Well, we just documented it. So yeah. Yeah. More than likely, it's not going to happen, but Hey, good. Got to hold myself to it now. I like it. Well, you know, I'm going to be in the batting cage. It's been tipping balls. So. So I get to stress man. On the quest. It's getting closer. Yeah. It's funny, like putting in that one 74 drop my handicap, almost a point or a stroke. I'm like, uh, like before that rough rider cup, I don't really want to be dropping it that far. Like, yeah, that's, that's a, that's a big drop. Let me, let me ask you. Now that you've done a 74. And I guess it's not a fair question to ask now, cause you've only played the actual one round since. Do you feel that? Or how do you, do you think that you will feel that it is a. Bigger struggle to get back to versus getting to. No. Um, and I'm not being cocky more like. So I think for me, like, like I was saying earlier, it's like, if I have the tempo, like, if I go to the range and I had like before around, I go to the range. I have the tempo. Like when I played with Indy that one day. I hadn't been hitting driver very good before that, but I had just like, got on the range. I dialed it down. I was. I. I was able to maintain that like for all 18 holes. And the same thing happened when I shot 74. It was like, I got to the range. I kind of found that tempo. I was able to maintain it the whole time. And like, there may have been one or two swings that got kind of fed up from the top. Where the, where I didn't get into the slot. And I was able to maintain that for all 18 holes. Where the, where I didn't get into the slot. I think, I think I can get back there pretty quick. I think it's going to be harder to like, do a lot better than, because like, I went back and look, I mean, birdies is really good. But if you go back, if, if I just far out those other holes instead of bogey, and this is with every round, like you always lose. Yeah. They're in there, but like, that's a ridiculous for, especially for somebody like me. Well, I think I'm close, man. Like even like, you know, today wasn't the greatest day, but it was 84. And there was a, there was plenty of times where like 80, 84. And I felt really good about that. Like now I'm, and maybe it's just a natural progression where you're like, you know, you shoot 74 and I could have shot 60. I shoot 84 and I could have easily broken 80, you know, with a couple of shots. I think I'll get closer to where I'm more consistently under 80. And then it just settles in. Like, I need to spend a lot more time, like a hundred yards in. Brown and green. Honey, if I really want to be consistent, low seventies and getting better than, I think that's. Projectory. I think I can. Hover around that. Pretty consistently, but to do much better. I'm actually. But man, I'll bring some work. Yeah. And I've had a few rounds where I was like, not that you're like conscious, but like I've had a few rounds where like, you just, you just get up there and you like line up and you hit it. You don't really think about it. It goes exactly where you want it. And like, I'm like on this tape to figure out, like, you don't have that. Like, how do you figure that out mid round? How do you get back to that? Or find it if you haven't got it. So like, I don't know how to explain it. And it's just like, once you're in the zone and you feel that stuff, you're like, I just want to do that every time. Almost like a runner's high. Yeah. You got the golfers high. I mean, it's just like, like being in the zone as a baseball player and hitting. I mean, the baseball looks like a beach ball. It doesn't matter what they throw you. You're getting shit out of it. So it's very, very similar. Um, but yeah, I think I'm going to try and sneak in another round tomorrow. Uh, Jeff's got two games in the morning that I have to coach, but I think there's enough time. So. Yeah. Try and tee it up again tomorrow. See what happens. Kenzie and I are hitting the range at eight o'clock. Tomorrow morning. Oh, get to work, man. November 11th. You got to start your countdown. I've got 99 days till Roughrider club. You need to start your countdown until, uh, CrossFit at Tampa. Well, I have to, I have to, I have to up my game. I have to bring a couple more clubs and put them in the work truck so I can stay out in the parking lot. Swing at nothing while people drive by. Like what is this jackass? But seriously, is this what we're paying him to do? Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, that's great. All right, man. Well, I appreciate your time, man. I know that you've had a long day, uh, pulling, pulling double time and you got an early morning hitting the range with Kenzie, but as always, man, I'm pumped. Uh, you're coming to Miami a couple of weeks. That's gonna be awesome. We got, uh, I'm getting pretty good at editing stuff, man. You know what? I thought about that the other day. Side, side note, been looking at, uh, what made me think about it was at Kenzie's soccer game. They had one of these, uh, AVO or EVO sports cameras to follow them up and down. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, huh. And then I, then the rabbit hole started of what is a good camera to bring to golf tournaments. And I was like, how can I explain this? Well, Kenzie going into her junior year, she's going to need an exposure. So I figured that it's something that would be, we could use to get, I gotta, I gotta get good at it. So I don't screw up her exposure, but I, you know, everything just kind of went back to the hero, but I've, I've been studying on that. I gotta figure, gotta figure something out. I've got two GoPros. That's just by chance. So we can mix that in and figure something out. You definitely get those. Yeah. It'd be those two tools driving down with cameras stuck here and like here, you know, multiple shots and these people like, what are these assholes doing? Oh, for the grave. That's right. Yeah. All right, man. Well, have a good night. And as always, keep working, keep, keep it better. We're, we're just obsessed with golf. And that's, that's all this podcast is. Just a bunch of dudes that are obsessed with golf. That's a, one of the things to get up and go to work for. Playing golf all weekend. Hell yeah. So, all right, man. I appreciate the invite. Thanks, dude. All right, man. Take care.