Ospreys Eyrie: The One After We Lost In Europe

Hello and welcome back to the Ospreys Irie podcast, the podcast who still hasn't been given a central contract and fully expects Lenska podcast to start 20 minutes after us and upstages, just like they did on Monday. My name is James as always and I am joined full house this week by the boys, Yestin, Robbie, how are we? Yeah, I'm getting this gagging early. Have Lenska got a second row, that's the British and Irish lion as well on the central contract. I'm fine, I'm fine. I just wanted to get that one in really quickly because there's been a lot of Lenska chat and I haven't been involved in it this week, which is excellent. But yeah, it feels like all the Lenska supporters are now picking other people to maybe speak to and Munster supporters, in my opinion, are definitely chirping up a little bit about a couple of things, but that's a different story for a completely different day. Yeah, I mean, that's I discovered the best way to do Twitter on Monday, which is something that will cause people to bite seconds before turning your phone off to watch a film. Like I saw the Amy Winehouse film, Back in Black, which is both not as bad as it's being made out to be and also an evil movie that shouldn't exist, considering it's been produced by her dad because the documentary about her made him look so bad that his dad's gone and forced this feature through where he comes across really well. Kind of evil movie, but you know, not as bad as people are saying. And I had a perfectly okay time with it. Then came out the other side. George made a film. Yeah, exactly. He came out the other side, had like, you know, 80 odd Lenska fans being furious with me when I replied to a few of them, servering the wind up, then turn my phone off and start a different film. And honestly, that is the ideal way to do it is to just disappear for like a few hours in between and not really take it seriously. My favourite one who replied to you is because I follow him, but he's a former Cardiff Met University flanker and Bedford Blues flanker, now playing Hong Kong, Charles Rylands, who I maintain the Scarlet should have signed instead of Ewan Shepson, replying to you. I was like, oh, okay. This is just getting like, because it was getting weirdly personal. And Jamie said after the recording on Monday, that he wished he just never tweeted it now. As I said, you're so short of doing bits. We've been looking to put this World Cup final video up for quite a long time, do the tease, and then like half an hour later, Lenska's like, by the way, we signed Geordie Barrett. And suddenly, you know, nevermind, no attention went to that. It's fine. We didn't do it, that was. What a weird day. Because they announced Dan Sheehan in the morning, which is fair enough. He's on a nice 500 grand a year central contract. And then you thought, cool, can't get any better than that. Then they announced Geordie Barrett. And you're like, okay. And then weirdly, with no fanfare at all, they just announced Tyler Blayne-Dahl. Yeah. Somewhere, Sky Sports are just really, I've like, gone up like The Undertaker. And then just for 2014, 2015, he's back. I know, I love Tyler Blayne-Dahl. He's one of my favourite players to watch that era. Wow. Wait, hold on, 33? I'm dead certain he's only like 33. He retired due to neck injury, I think, a few years ago. So I think he retired rather young-ish. Wow. So he would have been... I still haven't forgiven him for nailing the match-winning penalty to beat the Ospreys in 2016. Yeah, he's 33, born in 1990. Wow. So when he was at Munster, he would have been... He was supposed to go to the 2015 World Cup, I'm pretty sure, but got injured. So... No, it might not have been 2015, it might be... No, it might be... No, for Ireland, I'm pretty sure he was supposed to be in an Ireland squad somewhere. In 2019, presumably. Yeah. Oh, here we are. He captained New Zealand in the 20s in the 2010 IRB World Championships. Wow. And then he qualified for Ireland in 2018, but never played, but was called up to an international camp in August 2017. Right, okay. Well, that's the 20s team were coached by Dave Ranney. I'm just looking at it right now. Yeah. I'm looking to see who was... Julius Obeah was in the team. Rory Grice, your favourite player, listener. You love Rory Grice, don't you, listener? You remember Rory Grice, folks? The Wales team's interesting this year. This has been like Ben John, Aaron Jarvis, Faloteau. Oh, hello. I guess this is the year before Faloteau wins his first cup, isn't it? It is. We've got a big tangent already. We have, we have. It's an excellent tangent that James kicked off at the start of the podcast. And now Leinster have got another piece of central contract news, because after seeing your... they've clearly watched your video and decided to give him a central contract. It's James Gibson Parker's game. Honestly, they sold themselves 3 million in the salary cap. All of them are only doing it for the love of it. They are completely unmotivated by money. They are doing it purely because they love Donnybrook. Yeah, exactly. They love the bridge in the middle of Dublin. They love the warm fish and chip shop I went to that once. They love how posh the spas are, as in like the shop spa, which is weirdly upmarket. They love it. They just want to stay there for that. Ross Maloney didn't love it. No. Poor Ross Maloney, man. 29 and didn't get a cap. Imagine being that good and you didn't even get a cap. If you look through the entire Leinster squad on Wikipedia, it looks like when you look at Ross Maloney, there's a formatting error because he's the only one not in bold. That's so gutting, man. It's genuinely like... Right, enough Leinster chat. That'll be in a couple of weeks. So yes, this is not a victory pod this week, but we do have proper rugby to get back to in the book. Let's start with Newsdesk. Morse, Morse, Morse, how do you like it? Morse, Morse, Morse. The best young number eight in Wales has signed a new contract. Never in doubt. I was definitely very scared he wasn't going to sign one, even though I've known for quite a while. It's been rumoured heavily for quite a while. He has indeed signed a new deal. Former season ticket holder, it's always going to happen. It's the things you love to see. It is the things you love to see. Yes, talk us through Morgan Morse's new contract. Yes, this was the real news of Monday evening really, wasn't it? Before Leinster decided to kick off. Yes, it's good to see young players staying on. Obviously, we've seen that with Dan Edwards. I know Morse is staying. Luckily, he told me very early on that he was signing a new deal. He just shut up about it just in case someone would attack me. I wouldn't want Morgan Morse running at me. I wouldn't want anyone from the Ospreys running at me either. I kind of just be quiet and just left that to go on the side. When it was announced, obviously, it took a little bit of time. It's all good news. He's really looking forward to it from what he was saying to me. That's another positive as well. It's a good environment at the moment. Despite the result last Friday night in Europe, it's still looking rather positive. Yes, you look at how much he's come on this season for being in this squad full-time. From that first game where he was getting stuck in to then the first few games where he started and he was good, but he kind of faded out of games to then how involved and how much his work rate has gone up in a season. Imagine how far he can go in. If we assume it's a two-year contract, as most of these seem to be, it's undisclosed. Imagine how far he can go in two years, by which point he'll be, what, 21? Probably about 12, if I'm honest. By which point he'll just about have all of his milk teeth in. Just imagine how good he can be by the end of this first senior contract that he's signed. Really exciting, really important player to keep hold of. Him and Dan Edwards and so on are the players that feel the most important to hang on to at the minute, in order to make sure you've got this kind of core of young players that will definitely be there and developing, as Booth talked about any number of times, players that have an affinity for the club and care about the club. That is what's important. That's what's exciting, most of all. Really eager to see him playing again in the coming years. He's just, by watching him come through and burst onto the stage, he has so much development to do. You could just see it. There's times where he's probably been guilty of giving away maybe too many penalties or overplaying a bit too much, maybe doing a bit too fitting, things like that. But that will come with Boothism time in the saddle. It will come with just repetition of game time and things like that. The main comparison would be with McKenzie Martin. But where I feel he'll have the edge on McKenzie Martin, maybe long term, is that he didn't get called into a Wales squad to stunt his development. Not stunt his development is wrong, but to not play regularly. Essentially, he didn't have a month of training away from his team. He was with Wales U20s, but in the bye weeks was with Ospreys. They even gave him time off from the U20s when he was exclusively at the Ospreys. I feel like it would just aid his development so, so much. I'm just absolutely buzzing that he's got a new deal. It's the amazing thing about, you go back to the start of this podcast and the way we sometimes talk about this promising youngster, Morgan Morse, who hasn't played a game yet, or that Sharks game, had played a handful of minutes, had just played, I think 12 minutes he played in that game. He came on in injury replacement and then went back off, didn't he? And then finished the game. And then when there's that talk of him having to start against the Scarlets, because there were some players struggling with injuries, and that feels like a very different player to the one we've re-signed now, having had these chances and having developed as a player. And it goes the same for Dan Edwards, goes the same for James Fender, goes the same for so many players, you know, Lewis Lloyd, who have come in this season and have effortlessly stepped up. And that's been the really pleasing thing this year, is the way these players re-signing, how different that feels now towards the end of the season than it would have at the start, if they signed a contract immediately at the start of the season to say, Morgan Morse has moved on to a full-time deal, full-time senior deal, rather than the academy contract, I presume he was on before. Yeah, so he was very different now, now that he's had plenty of chances. And he would have had plenty of interest in other places, no doubt about it. But that, in terms of rugby, that try against Cardiff went viral. Like, there wasn't a rugby account with a decent follower that didn't tweet it out. I remember Jim Hamilton tweeting it out, and I'm like, whatever you think of Jim Hamilton and his podcast or whatever, he's still a big figure in this industry. And you're like, hello, if he's tweeting it out, then it's, yeah, probably calling. He's got a bit of NFL about him. He's probably a bit small for NFL, if I'm honest. But he's got that American football style about him, but he's just hard as nails. So obviously buzzing. Second bit of news, the squad have travelled to South Africa, they are staying in their usual base in Stellenbosch. Tom Boater, I assume, is staying at his mum's house. Well, I hope she has good Wi-Fi, because what we're about to talk about. Yeah, so as far as we can see, all of the world's internationals have travelled. So Nicky, Gareth, Dewey, Jack Morgan, Adam Beard has travelled. So Watkin, Sam Parry has travelled. Some youngsters have gone out, Harry Houston being one. In further news to that, I revealed yesterday that Victor Secchiette and Gianluca Rudolph will rejoin the Ospreys for the two-game tour to South Africa. So again, more warm bodies. As Toby has mentioned before, there is scope to go get the loanees if needed, but they are not being aided to join on this tour. The plan is that they're going to stay in Bloemfontein. That's good news. What isn't good news is Tom Boater has been cited by the EPCR for a dangerous tackle that occurred in the 12th minute on Sev Atkinson. Now, Robbie and I were at the game, so we couldn't really see this and didn't notice anything during the game. Someone giffed it and put it on Twitter this morning. I don't think it's sight worthy. What is your opinion on this? I don't know, really. You kind of looked at it at first, thinking it's just an okay double hit by Beard and Tom Boater that has stopped Atkinson from making a break, and if not further. Looking back at it, and obviously when the video clip was shown on social media earlier, you're thinking, how has no one picked that up on the field is my question. If not on the field, how hasn't the TMO chirped in and said, oh, hang on, wouldn't you want a little look at this? It just feels really weird. But then again, on the other hand, it's a tackle. The amount of double tackles you see nowadays on the rugby field, especially an assist tackle of someone coming in after maybe one person made a tackle. You're thinking, maybe that's just for some people. Another double tackle, which you've seen countless times throughout a game. If you're watching a lot of games of rugby over the weekend, you see it loads of times. But it's an interesting one. You can see why a little bit of it where maybe you might have gone off to the head contact, but with the assist tackle, I'm not too sure, but I'm no expert in ref chat, so I might answer this one. No, neither am I. I am not a ref chat expert. I also haven't seen the tackle. I've been just looking for it and I can't find it. I was probably at a weaker angle. I didn't notice anything obviously dangerous. But yeah, you didn't feel like anything stood out and it was a bit of a surprise to see that news come in. He does feel like a player who probably needs a bit of a rest. So obviously it's not the way you want anyone to be suspended, but he has played basically every single game for the Osprey this season. And yeah, that looks pretty regulation and it does slip high. It looks like one where if it gets reviewed, the team has probably got no choice but to give a penalty. Surprised, as you say, that's maybe been cited, but also you've got to go through the correct procedures. It does slip high. No, I agree with the procedures bit. What is just double standard is what's not been cited this weekend, which is the big one, which is Jendal's eye gauge, which, you know, and if that's getting cited, then yeah. So for me, I'd like to think this isn't going to get taken any further, but we'll see. We'll see. Final bit of news, well, it's more news, but more predictions. Alex Clifford on the Scrum 5 podcast did say that Jack and Derek might not play, or he thinks they won't play. They have flown out with the squad, but it may be a case of getting them more time on grass, getting them to the most warm weather. Rehab as well. Is the aim to get them in the Welsh Derbys, or is it Leinster away? Derek would like to continue to redo his heroic turnover in the same minute, like if Leinster were away in 2021. It's a lottery. I'm of the opinion they might play simply because I was sat next to them on Friday. They looked raring to go. It did at one point look like I followed Jack Morgan into the toilets. I didn't, I promise. We were just both going the same way. And then the steward let him back to his seat, but not me. He doesn't want to wait for a break in play. I'm like, um, okay. In fairness, you're not the Wales captain, and I think that does allow certain privileges. True, but still double standard. I'm just as working class as they come to occupy. Um, yeah, yeah. The impression I've got is that, um, Jack is closer to return from injury than Dewey. Um, but this isn't well sourced. Um, I definitely wouldn't be expecting to see Dewey Lake, you know, on the bench or starting this weekend. Well, I think Jack Morgan's got an outside chance of playing this week and wouldn't be surprised if he features the week after. Um, having had a, you know, that brief chat to him before the monster game, he seemed quite happy that he was close to returning and, you know, said he was close to playing. And again, having had, yeah, Dewey Lake from, again, having walked past him a couple of times recently, he looks all right. He looks fine. Whether that means he can play 80 minutes or even 20 minutes is a different matter. But yeah, we'll see. We'll see how the race getting on. You trust this medical staff and the coaches to assess them properly. And it'd be great to have them back as a boost. Would have been perfect. They could come back in time for the, um, the glossy game, but alas, wasn't to be. Thankfully, we've still got something to play for in the closest set of the season as they hopefully run out again. I wonder who else might've gone out. Will Griffith maybe? He was looking quite spry. Um, I'm not sure about Fender. So I, I heard, um, James Fender is apparently there or thereabouts was the phrase used. So apparently... No, no, apparently this is from Toby Booth. This is a, um, apparently Booth has said as much that Fender is very close to return. That'll be, that'll be nice. So yeah. Yeah. And his injury, I think was said to be maybe like six weeks at the time and it's been seven or eight. So fingers crossed. Uh, yeah, perfect. Yeah. Cool. So that was news pretty light on news this week. Um, right. Let's talk about the day first, rather than the game, because we were both there. Um, yes, then unfortunately you couldn't make it. So you'll, you'll go and talk about it by direct, uh, uh, input. I walked past Ray Christian and Lynn Jones many times, uh, that evening. Um, so Robbie talk us through your, you know, your version of the day and how weird it kept getting weirder and weirder. Yeah. I mean, I, yes, I don't know how you go to so many games. I've been to one like the last five weekends in a row and I feel knackered from having to do all the travel. Um, I don't know how I do it either because, um, I, I covered the cup finals a couple of weeks ago and I was three games in one day. Oh wow. A lot of coffee. Um, I don't really do hot drinks. So it was kind of like water, but there was free food provided. So it kind of, you know, balance it out, I suppose. But, um, yeah, I don't know how I watch so much rugby, especially attending games if I'm being brutal. But, um, yeah, I, I find a way, I suppose. You want to use, use a Boothism. Um, but, um, yeah, sadly I couldn't make it Friday night, but, um, yeah, I'm not going to South Africa, so there's a nice little break over the next few weeks. So, uh, you know, I'll enjoy the downtime and watching the games on the TV instead. Let's go to Leinster. Let's all go to Dublin. We'll go to the RDS. I might get personally attacked by Bruce Nisland's, uh, claims. I'm going to say he's going to hunt you down. No, I'm, um, at a rugby club tomorrow, a professional team, um, which almost counts. And then Wales, we're in the following week for the Italy game. Um, so I feel like I've kind of, I should just travel over to Dublin the following week and watch the Ospreys there, um, or go to Eurovision, same event, you know, same night. Um, so yeah, it's, it's, it's a lot. There's a lot, there's a lot going on. Um, but yeah, Gloucester, I think was one of the biggest grounds to visit on my kind of rugby bucket list that I hadn't been to. And I'm so glad to have ticked that off now. It was everything I hoped for and an absolutely glorious place to go result aside. Um, it's a really unique and different atmosphere to almost any other premiership grounds. Um, you can tell, as you mentioned earlier, but that fixture between the Ospreys and Gloucester is really rare within rugby, especially in the UK, in the, and especially Anglo-Welsh fixtures in particular, um, where it adds that kind of spice of an Anglo-Welsh game in the, it is two towns where rugby is a working class game and you had two working class sets of fans. And so it was closest to a kind of football-y atmosphere, I think. And two sets of fans that were really chanting and singing and going for each other, but tongue in cheek, and there was no kind of animosity, but there was, you know, there was a few like times where a group of Gloucester fans would start a chant, there was anti-Ospreys, you know, banter-y stuff. And then there'd be a counter-chant starting following, and it was a really different vibe to trips to Leicester or Saracens or so on, where you kind of had two very different ways of watching a game. A lot of, a lot of golf claps and well-done chats. I must have mentioned on here, the Saracens fan who told a load of Ospreys fans to stop singing because they were annoying him during a game. Um, but you kind of had, yeah, two teams with quite similar approaches, um, coming up against each other, and it's fantastic in an atmosphere. And the whole day leading in, an awful lot of Ospreys fans travelled over. I think the figure was around 900, they said, um, which is great. And to say they sold about 9,000 tickets, about 10% travelling support isn't bad at all. But yeah, um, really exciting, phenomenal day. And Gloucester's a lovely town with a brilliant stadium, and they do so much around it to build that atmosphere. Um, yeah, so I travelled up from South West London, um, documented my travels on the Twitter account, which, uh, which, you know, got some chuckles out of people, uh, especially going to Sail Place, um, and Gloucester Place. Um, yeah, so we arrived at Kingsville and I went and met Robbie. Um, so if, you know, the Ospreys sort of arranged for a bar, um, to sort of host us. Which is Lance Bradley's bar, yeah. Um, uh, and it was brilliant, they were lovely, they were super nice, it was a lovely location down at the Quays. They even put on, like, our own beer, um, called Twin Tone, with our logo on it, and it was lovely. Um, huge thank you to everyone that sort of came over and said hi. Uh, to Robbie mainly, but, you know, if you know who you are, you saw me as well. Um, no, there were a lot of listeners who came over and said hi, and, you know, made some of the podcast. Great to chat with, uh, Grant from Supporters Club, um, as well, uh, about some stuff. It was Grant, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, so, you know, Lance, uh, all the Ospreys staff were there as well, you know, so really great. You properly moseyed in and had a chat with Lance, proper schmoozing. I just said hi, and just said, you know, keep, keep us, keep our name out there, you know what I mean? I'm just trying to keep the podcast relevant, you know. Apologies for, apologies for keeping us going. Got to pay the rent somehow. Um, got a day of bloody scallops. I've got to spend it on this week, so I'm going to have to go find, like, a random academy coach now. Um, yeah. Yeah, shit. Um, who's the other one? James Thorke. Oh, fuck. Who, like, I have history with. We can't, we can't let that happen again. Um, damn it. I can just not turn up that week. He has to take it on his own. Rich Kelly, get in here. Um, yeah, so, uh, yeah, then we sort of rematched over to the, to the ground. Um, we went to the, the tunnel in which, like, the players enter, um, where we met up with Carowyn, from the Cardiff Central podcast, um, who's a proper fancy journalist who was there with Sporting Wales. So I had a really nice chat with him. Loris Delaglio walked into the press box, and I shit, you know, everyone booed him. Like, Oster and Osprey fans just, like, booed, and there was, like, one show to wanker, um, which might have been one from the Gloucester staff, I don't know. Hey, no, I have it on good authority. Wanking is not his thing. He has more expensive weight of dealing with that. Yeah, true. Um, yeah, so that was great. Um, it was the, the Welsh press had clearly travelled up because there was, like, Johan Dyer was there, um, and Ben James was there. There was, you know, a good few of them there. Um, great. The, the, all of the Ospreys fans welcomed the team in, um, and then booed the Gloucester team come in. Um, so. Had, um, Toby walking on his own separately as well, not through the tunnel that had been formed, just round the back, you know, trying to get through the media entrance. Yeah. Wood got out, he was walking by, and he got the biggest cheer of the day. So the best part of this bit, though, so a disclaimer, as I've told, told me that I grifted my way into some tickets, um, from Jamal Paul Robinson. And we met him before I had to pick up said tickets. So we met and had a chat and various things and discuss it and some stuff. However, catch up because it's been a while. And then he said, right, I've got to go. I've got to go do some pre-match stuff. I thought, right, they've already been in the stadium. No, he had to go, go out onto this industrial estate to get on the team bus. So then get off the team bus to walk down the tunnel, to no gloss that that was because all the Osprey stands were there instead. So that was, uh, that was a very good, because it was only us who knew what was happening. I was like, yeah, he's just got on that bus like two minutes ago, probably not even sat down. Um, yeah, so we went into the stadium then it was, you know, the atmosphere was building really nicely. Um, yeah, it's a great travelers for a lot of young, you know, young fans of kids with the parents, but also then like twenties to 18 to 35 range. Um, yeah. Uh, so we, uh, we went with myself, uh, Robbie and my mate James, um, Hugh Griffin from Scarlet Fever and Pirate Rugby um, who bless him, got outed as a Turk straight away, um, by drop goal hero. Um, uh, what's his name? The little one, uh, Roger and his dad, uh, outed him as a Turk straight away. So shout out Tony and Audrey, um, and the chance he's a Turk, uh, were thrown at him, but he took it in his stride. Um, yeah, it took it in a flat cap. Um, but yeah, Kingston was definitely one of the ones I needed to take off my bucket list. Um, so we made our way to our seats and so Robbie, you were sat, um, right in the corner where Gloucester scored. Yeah. Um, yeah, right in, right down, maybe 10 minutes out from the line. Um, right down the front, maybe third row back in amongst, so, you know, obviously we all had the option to go in the shed. Um, and I, I don't think it's, I'm not too big to admit I was scared. I was scared to be on my own in the shed, um, just like I was with my dad. And seeing then where I ended up, which was sat next to a five-year-old girl at her first rugby game, while her dad tried to explain what out on the full meant, was a very different experience to how I'd imagined the first trip to Gloucester, where I'm the one minding my language, was, um, yeah, a, a very, very different experience. We had a slightly different one. So we obviously got our tickets and went, so we were the friends and family bit for Gloucester. So to my right was Gavin Hastings, um, who gave me the most deadpan evil look when I shouted, wait, when Adam did something wrong during the game. Um, in front of us, I'm convinced was Adrian Varney, which is Stephen's dad and future Neath Hall of Famer, probably done a cameo for them as well. I'm pretty sure he actually has. Um, and then we had like, uh, Matheus Alemano, um, oh, one of the Gloucester Academy lads who I was chatting with, who's really good in the twenties. Uh, I tell you now. Josh Hathaway? He was there, but he wasn't sat. Okay. I, um, lent, lent against the chair he was sitting on and he got, um, he gave a look of slight annoyance. That's going to be one day. That's going to be one of my anecdotes. I go, well, I once mildly annoyed him while he was sitting on a chair. Oh, I thought I see. So, uh, I think I said say, uh, the England and twenties prop, uh, who is that Irish and then there was a very, very good player. Um, uh, he was there. And then to our left was sat all the Ospreys contingent that traveled. So it was Liam Edwards, uh, Will Griff, Jack Dowie, Justin Hopkins and his moon boots. Uh, one, maybe one more. Um, but they traveled that it's obviously the team and there was a splatter of other players and stuff around. So yeah, it was really good. And then the end of the game happened and we still got separated from Robbie. Um, as we went down to sort of see Jamal, I went to say, thank you. And I said, what's happening. And then we got invited over to Teague's. Now Teague's is a pub opposite the stadium, like literally directly opposite, it was just owned and operated by Mike Teague. Um, so I texted Robbie, I said, you're fancy, fancy coming. Um, and we came over and we got to chat with some lovely Gloucester fans. Um, had some great conversation with some very drunk Ospreys fans, um, shout out Harry and the boys, um, who are great. And then we started drinking. Well, we were drinking. We had that sort of one beer with, um, so I thought Robinson and load of Academy lads. Um, and then Mike Teague came over and said, hi. And we were like, if we weren't all going home and it was incredibly tired, yeah, I'd let you buy us drinks, Mike Teague. Um, it was just, yeah, the night, it started weird and it ended weird, like, in the best way though. I think that's fair to say. Yeah. And then we had an incredibly inebriated Gloucester fan follow us through the centre of Gloucester, where we were walking back to our car and you were walking back to your hotel. Yeah. And he was shouting daffodils at us. Because I think it started fairly, you know, it was just sort of a get out of our town, you lost. And then he just followed us through town, yelling the word daffodils over and over again, which is shit banter, fair play to him. It was awful. But all right, what I will say is the individuals who I met, their banter was particularly awful. Um, Gloucester do not like you booing the kicker as well. They're really big on rugby values. It was, yeah, there were a few Gloucester fan accounts that tweeted about how great the Ospreys fans were. Jamal mentioned afterwards was that they were maybe the best away fans he'd experienced at Kingshome, which was amazing. And it was loud and it was different. And you know, having spoken to a few people who watch on TV, said the same thing. They really came across how much more level than normal the atmosphere was at Kingshome. Um, but there was apparently one Ospreys fan who booed a kicker at one point. And so if you read any of those Gloucester fans, it's always possible there was one who booed the kicker. So therefore the other 800 are invalid completely. They're scum. Yeah, the lowest of the low. Genuinely, that rugby Gloucester was a lovely guy, by the way, like tweeted back and forth to him, like tweeted saying, oh, these Ospreys fans are brilliant. You know, they sung all night, they out-sung the shed, um, you know, which doesn't happen. Uh, and then one man basically called us like Hitler's children. Cause you know, one of us had the audacity to boo Santi Carreras. Um, and I was like, geez, you, you've never survived like a French second league game, would you? Well, most of the French second division crowd is just yelling at the touch chairs that the kick was further along that way. I used to get five minutes of reality. In what I learned, that's the crowd's role. There's a lot of similarities in the French second division and the Welsh, like the central five. I bet there is. No, the French, the French second division seems like a perfect league for me to go to watch next season. Especially if they can all just shout to the touch chairs to move up a few meters. If someone could sort out a workplace for me or any pro-de-deux club, please give me a shout because... If they're a French second division. Sam Larner will be right on that. Oh my God. I'd pay to watch you and Sam Larner go on a road trip, just different French pro-de-deux clubs. Genuinely a great idea. You could even like top off for the weekend, like watching, I don't know, Toulouse, you know, if Dupont was playing somewhere. Top off the weekend thinking, there's like one end of the scene, a massive scrap in the pro-de-deux, to the other end, just seeing Antoine Dupont like put in the chip and chase and beat like seven defenders. I think it's a brilliant idea. I think it's a great idea. Okay. Here's an anecdote. I'm not sure if I've told publicly before, but a few years back, someone from World Rugby got in touch with me after I'd done a bunch of stuff in the pandemic about doing, in the lead up to the World Cup, a show called Tour de Rugby, where I would go around France and the venues of the World Cup and do like, yeah, like a travel blog thing where they take me around, they do this stuff and they were pitching it to a bunch of different places. They're pitching to YouTube Originals, they're pitching to a few like online broadcasters, potentially World Rugby's YouTube channel as well. And they kind of had this idea, they had a package ready to go and they had a pitch document. I saw it all and I saw all the PowerPoints and the slides and everything put together with me attached as the host. I'd go around and do it. And it just sort of rolled on over maybe two years or something. Every now and again, every few months, I'd get like an email or a text from the producer saying, we're still working on this thing, we're pitching it to a new place as we can, are you still available for it? I was like, yeah, sure, grand, you know, whatever. And then, you know, a year passes, I don't hear anything about it. And I figure, oh, I guess it fell apart. I guess nothing came of it. I hadn't heard from the producer in a while. And then about a month before the World Cup, I am casually scrolling through Twitter when I see a trailer drop for Tour de Rugby with Taika Waititi. And I looked it up and it's produced by the same people, it's the same show that they wanted me for. But now with Taika Waititi instead of me. And I mean, look, I don't know how to take it, whether the fact they clearly couldn't get the money, then the moment they got Taika on board, they dropped me like a stone and didn't even tell me. Or the fact that I was first choice above Oscar winning filmmaker Taika Waititi. That is something I have lived with for a year now. That's brilliant. That is genuinely a fantastic anecdote. Sorry, when we were picturing Pro D2 and like bottom tier French clubs, I was like, trying to think of like random players who play for these teams. So I was like, right, I can't wait to go watch Evan Olmsted play for Argentina. Oh, good player. Good player against like, you can have the Canadian derby of Kass versus Arjen. Arjron versus... Arjron and Evan Olmsted. Grenoble just signed Kirshen Mouton, the Namibia winger, who was great. I'm so glad to see him get a club. Who else? Arjen has signed Santos Azino from Gloucester as well. Oh, nice. Okay. Yeah. I know it's bad for rugby, right, that we're not hemorrhaging our players. We're like Irish doctors, right? We're just going off to places we shouldn't. But it is funny to see who Pro D2 are just signing. And it also allows so many players who couldn't get contracts elsewhere, and particularly tier two players, like so many of the Romania and Georgia and so on squads play in the Pro D2. You know, Portugal is basically an entire teams in the Pro D2. And it allows a competitive, strong level of rugby for those players. And Sam Davis. And Sam Davis. Yeah. Ross Moriarty. I was about to look at something, but it's... Thomas Lozano at Montauban. Oh, yeah. I think he's the one. Like if you're... He joined and everyone's like, oh, hello. This guy looks good. And he was at Montauban a year and a bit. So, OK. Shall we talk about the game? We've put it off long enough. Sure. We won't spend too long on it. Right. Yes, you watched it on TV. Talk to us. How did it look for you? Tell me. I was a bit nervy to begin with, especially when the set piece started to falter. And all of a sudden, Jack Walsh makes a break and sets up a try. And you're thinking, right, it was a little bit shaky, but that's a really, really good first 15 minutes. Then obviously, Carreras kicked back, kicked back into a point behind. And then when they defended the first role in Morley, they thought, right, that's OK. Just make sure you exit and nothing silly happens. Then you go into the corner, they score from the next more. And you're thinking that might not have been the plan, but there's still a long, long time to go. Then you narrow the scores down a little bit with the penalty before halftime. You're thinking, you know what, there's still a sniff here. They haven't played particularly well, but they're still, you know, they don't do anything really, really bad in the second half. You're thinking, right, this is a game to be had. Then you just, it just felt like it was just a little bit of overplaying around halfway. That's what I kind of felt like. And as much as everyone loves Jack Walsh for the first line break, which sets up a try, the one you give away at the start of the second half was a little bit of a killer. And you thought, ah, that might not work again. And one of the niche things I found from Friday was the box kicks where, you know, Rupert Morgan and Williams are sticking up in the air and they're all fine. Well, the majority of them were fine, but Gloucester had about three or four players just shielding or wherever it was in the backfield just to catch the thing. And I'm still waiting for World Rugby to probably make a tweak on this in the near future. Because a couple of images you see sometimes four, maybe five players just like shielding around and most teams do it. And it's kind of like awful. Common practice nowadays. Genuinely awful. So you see the Gloucester do it with like three or four players do it, and you see the Osbridge players do it. You might have one chasing back out of the winger and then the back three player then is normally coming in to take it. And you kind of just felt like that was the difference. And it felt like the first 10 or so minutes in the second half, Stephen Varney really kicked on. And I think some of his box kicks, especially during the second half, were really good. And that was kind of like the slight difference, which kind of got them over the line, except for the set piece, which was weirdly misfiring, which is not an Ospreys thing to do at all. Yeah. Yeah. It's what Booth said post-match that was a very un-Ospreys performance. And I think that was the disappointing thing. You know, he said that it was exactly the phrase, I think, perfectly summed it up. And I want to hear in that they gave the level of effort they looked for, but they didn't show what they're about. And that's the disappointing thing. Because I do think it was one of the weaker performances of the season. Obviously Montpellier is a kind of outlier where they threw a lot of young players in last second and, you know, a lot didn't go right there. But yeah, it was a frustrating game. As you say, you felt like the first 20 minutes wasn't great. Then Jack Walsh makes that break and Keelan Jones scores that try and you feel like things settle down. And that's the moment given. And, you know, they can kind of kick on from there and it didn't quite happen. There was an awful lot of, perhaps, again, something that Booth talked about a lot is big moments, is winning the big moments. There are a few moments where you felt like they did win those big moments and then instantly made a mistake and it slipped up and slipped away from them. The most notable being the Justin Tipperick-Mull turnover immediately before the try. The Ospreys win possession, win a scrum, and then a penalty is given against them at the scrum. And I, you know, couldn't comment on what happened. But it felt an awful lot like they didn't adapt the referee at all. The referee didn't like what the Ospreys were doing and they didn't change the breakdown or the set piece in order to fit how the referee ran. And obviously they only get a few days to do that, but they still do find out the referee on the Monday and are able to adapt to that. And then during the game, you can make tweaks and you can go, okay, this guy's really hot on this tonight or that tonight. And they weren't doing that and they weren't adapting to that quickly enough. And so, yeah, if they even just clear their lines and get up to the 22, that's a very different situation. Even if they don't win the penalty at that scrum, two conceding penalties, you've got to go for the corner again, scoring that try, and then you get into the last 10 minutes and maybe there's only three points or five points in it. And again, it's very, very different. I think the other big moment was in the same corner. The penalty with which Owen Williams hit the post was a moment that was right in front of me. Gloucester looked out on their feet and looked quietly delighted when they went for the post, when the tee came on. And that felt like a moment from, again, being right in front of it. And admittedly, even from the sideline, you can't read the energy on the field in the same way the players and the captain can. But that felt like the moment to go for the kill and go for the corner and perhaps try and look for that try to get back ahead rather than narrowing the gap to one point. That, for me, felt like the big turning point because he then hit the post, Gloucester cleared out the field and suddenly they've got the ball in 22 instead of it being three points, zero points and Gloucester possession just outside the 22. And I wonder whether that was the moment where they needed to be ruthless rather than patient. And that patience has got them awfully long way this season. And it's perhaps finding out odd moments to put the foot on the throat and work out when that's coming. And that's something teams only gain with time, with experience. And you look at it as something that the 2019 Wales team were really, really good at, was knowing when to wait and take the point and when to know, this is it actually, now we go and now we switch on. And you saw that against South Africa in the World Cup quarterfinal, semi-final rather, you saw that, you know, the England game in the Six Nations, you saw it, you know, any number of times. And it's something this off space team will hopefully develop. But yeah, didn't feel like it was there yet. There was a lot of, a lot of themes that have perhaps been mildly worrying this season that just didn't click. And then there were things that have been really, really good this season that just didn't click in the same way. And it was a frustrating, difficult game. But one I think the team will learn from once they've managed to get over it, because it's going to be a huge emotional blow for this side, as we've talked about post-match. There's not much more to say really. It was a shit game and Gloucester were just slightly less shit. Like as games of rugby have gone, that is one of the poorest there was. Gloucester didn't offer anything. Let's not act, let's not put them on a pedestal here and say that they offered, that they played sexy, expansive rugby, or they threatened the line in open play. They didn't. They were poor. You know, Max Llewellyn, yeah, he carried well, but ultimately they didn't get anything from open play. But they kept going for, the reason that Ant Santacruz kicked towards the 80 points or whatever, was because they were getting nothing going off the ball. They couldn't drive, apart from the one try, they couldn't drive it in. And then they spread the ball out into midfield and would get turned over. I very much, it's not that I am blaming the referee, but I do think you've got a different referee and he may be refereed to scrum a bit differently. Uh, the breakdown was a bit of a mess, if I'm honest. Um, so yeah, I'm not, I'm not angry. I'm not, you know, you know, curious French referees and things like that. You know, we had some, we had some really good chats with, um, with our Spurs fans and Gloucester fans who were all pretty much of that same opinion was this game could have gone either way. Um, and you know, we're talking here about 10 point loss. That's not a, it's not a big loss at all. Yeah. But yeah. So look, I'm, I'm happy. And Josh Gardner pointed out on Blood and Mud that this Gloucester team has had a lot more time off than the Ospreys have. Yeah. Um, and I was explaining to Hugh Griffin, even though we've used the most players this season, Byron Leinster, the core of the squad have been together and played together a long, long time. Yeah. So yeah, guessing, absolutely guessed it. Of course I am. I'm good. I'm hashtag proud of the team, local Cardiff. Um, you know, there's, I still have question marks over Owen Williams. Um, he didn't have his best game. Sam Parry, I love Sam Parry, right. But he, he'll know himself that that wasn't his standard. Um, I thought Morgan Morse was brilliant when he came on. Um, you know, it is probably from an Osprey point of view, really difficult to, to come on and make a difference in that game. Yeah. Um, I thought Jack Walsh went really well. I'm really impressed with him and he's, he's starting to turn heads a bit now. Phil Pettiot, uh, said I'm strong five. She, you know, big fan of him. Cuthbert, you know, talks about how when they were at Exeter, he was always in the second team and would just carve the first team up. And you can see that, um, there's been lots of, um, comments on the Exeter fan pages, um, in which they talk about, uh, wanting Jack Walsh back and things like that. So I think he's brilliant. And you know, we know Giles can finish like that. And I think it was a really, really good finish by Giles. Um, yeah, so actually gutted, but you know, I'm glad we got the monkey off our back. Yeah. And I feel like if we end up in challenge cup next year, there's a real chance we can do something similar and be consistent in that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, with hopefully, you know, as Bruce talked about hoping to have a stronger squad next season, having a few more players to rotate, not having a walk of hangover for a few players, you know, if Adam Beard and so on can come back fresh and again, hopefully you don't have, you know, a career ending injury to like a George North or so on leading, no centres available, but yeah, there's, there's a lot that can be done. Um, and yeah, chance to kick on next season. Should we put that game to bed? Yeah. Adam Beard. Yeah. I've seen some history though, isn't it? I did also buy, um, the mascot in the club shop, the little like very disappointing club shop, which I thought was all right. Um, you know, but they had a pleasing number of items in the sale to say we're still quite way off the end of the season. Yeah. They, they clearly are sick of their anniversary now. And I've just put all that stuff up for sale. No sales who we played last week. It was cool. Yeah. True. Sorry. Um, Keelan Giles as a bonus factor is for you, right? Uh, cause I've now got an app, a note where I keep track of this, uh, two tries behind Tommy bow, three tries behind Sam Parry on the Osprey's top try score. He's moving up. He's moving up to Sam Parry is now above Tommy bow. That's Keelan's in sixth place. Tommy bow still looks like he'd come out of retirement. He probably come out of school more or he could at least like, I reckon Keelan could do a feature on Island AM if they want to swap places. If he could learn to roller skate or something. If Tommy bow coincidentally lands himself out in South Africa next weekend, the Osprey's hit an injury crisis. It wouldn't, it wouldn't surprise me that he'd come on and scored race in like 10 minutes. Like Mike Phillips to circa 2017. Yeah. Just so weird. Like Mike Phillips and Hustle Yankees coming into the, cause the Scarlet's ran out of scrim halves. How, what a weird heart, you know, contrast of two nines. If Scarlet Fever ever want to borrow a good player, I will appear on that podcast to facilitate that game. Because it is like folklore. So speaking of good player, we were thinking what I was thinking, what we could do. So we put some out, we we've looked at a couple of cheaters games before and different squads around that. So we were like, right, maybe look at specific South African players. We talked about Marvin Ory, maybe that's a depressive season. I don't want to think about it. JJ Engelbrecht. Who else we talk about? Ricky January. Ricky January. Yeah. So then we were like, actually, so I, I then I was like, oh my God, Stefan Watermeyer. I found when Stefan Watermeyer's debut. So today on Good Player, we are going to be looking at the Newport Gwent Dragons. Hello. This is the Ospreys from 27th of January, 2012, which is a Friday night kickoff at the Morgan Stone Brewery Field. I remember this game way too fondly. Was it a midweek game? Was it like a Wednesday night game? No, Friday night. Right. It was a Friday night. Okay. Cause I remember Stefan Watermeyer tweeting this was the most nervous he's been for a game since his professional debut. I remember being weirdly very excited during the school day for this game. I think because it was, you know, big Welsh derby. I think it promised to be high scoring and yeah, was very up for it. So let's do what I always do. And let's look at the, let's look at the charts that day. Hmm. So let's look first at the singles charts. So at number one was Domino by Jessie J. Not a good start. Mama Do The Hump by Rizzle Kicks, who I actually really like Rizzle Kicks. Um, fun fact, one of them appeared in a Star Wars film. Really? Was he in a storybook or something? No, he was in, he was actually a named character in Rogue One. Oh, well, they also did the remix of the Shaun the Sheep theme tune for the Shaun the Sheep movie, which is what I think of when I think of Rizzle Kicks. Uh, you also had like, uh, Levels by Avicii was in here. Paradise by Coldplay. Uh, Kelly Clarkson was here with Stronger. This is a strong era. Yeah. By LMFAO. Oh, man. You did have video games by Lana Del Rey. This is a good song. Um, somebody that I used to know by Goatia and Kimbra before they both disappeared. Um, so yeah, rough, rough time for music in the film charts. So, I can't get the film chart up because my apps aren't working. So, we'll go straight to the team line-up. So, do you want the dragons or do you want the ospreys first? Because both are equally entertaining. Shall we start with the dragons? Yeah, it's normally a way to go first, isn't it? That's the case. So, from the dragons, starting at Lucette, Phil Price. Oh, yes. Good player. Good player. Uh, in Hooker. Just about a good player. Who do you think was at Hooker? Sam Parry? It was Sam Parry. Young Sam Parry. Sam Parry. Probably had an ospreys jersey underneath his dragons one. He was zooming. Um, I see a young Sam Parry. Then you had, uh, at three was Dan Way. Dan Way. Dan Way was, yeah, I remember Dan Way. He had, um, like, very, like, tall ginger hair. Sort of like a Z Conan O'Brien. Yeah. Yeah. Um, end of his career at Newport Saracens. Um, then, so, then you had Royce Cadman. I have no idea of that man. So, when I say Royce Cadman, like, if you're not, like, a 60-cat Canadian international, then what is the point? He played for Doncaster and Bedwars and twice for the dragons, which is disappointing. Then you had Javon Groves. Javon Groves. Good player. Greatly underrated. Like, was a, um, sevens playing second row. Who was the sort of player that when I was, what would I have been here, like, 12? Loved. Because, you know, he was a really athletic, dynamic, um, yeah, lock. Oh, I remember him. Yeah. Played for Cardiff a bit as well, I think. Played for Hong Kong. Really? He's now working in Hong Kong. Oh, okay. But, yeah, just, like, one of those players that when you're a kid, you rate very highly and you don't know why he's a bit more than, I haven't, you know, I've watched him recently, but I imagine as an adult, you'd probably be like, oh, because he, he didn't, he didn't hit any rucks. Zack Mercer effect. He coaches the Hong Kong sevens team, I think. He posted on LinkedIn six days, three days ago, um, with something, but he seems like a LinkedIn wanker. So, I'm instantly turned off. Uh, so, yeah, Jermyn Groves. Then, moving into the background, Hugo Ellis. Yeah, vague memories of playing for the Dragons. Um, he had a brother, didn't he? Andy Ellis. Andy Ellis. Yeah, because he was a, um, this guy was a, um, he was, yeah, both England, um, sort of age grade players. Obviously, Andy Ellis played a bit more. Uh, Darren Waters. Darren Waters. Again, vague memories of, yeah. Played 17 times for the Dragons. Jamie will be listening to this now and be like, yeah, good players. Great players. Uh, and then at eight was Iain Jones. Good player. Played for the Ospreys as well. And Cardiff. Yes, played for Cardiff. That was definitely neat. But yeah, pretty sure I played for the Ospreys as well. Um, so yeah, that was his pack. So, some, some, you know, good players in that pack, I think. Yeah. Um, so then we move into Scrum Half. That's a good pack in a very second choice of the Dragons in the 2010 kind of way. Yeah. And they were already scraping the bottom of the barrel. Yeah. You had Joe Bedford at Scrum Half. Played, like, had a really interesting, um, career trajectory. Started with Doncaster Knights, Pontypool, Rotherham, Yorkshire, Saracens, Sailsharks, and the Dragons as well. Like, he's really done, he really, like, hated Standard of Living, didn't he? That's one weird process of going through. Yeah, absolutely. So then you had Stefan Jones at 10. No memory of. Yeah, yeah, no, I remember Stefan Jones. He was good. Had, like, Jay from the Inbetweeners hair. Had a big breakthrough where there was a game between the Dragons and Cardiff. They got called off for a frozen pitch or something. Then rearranged, and he came in to make his first, play his first game of professional rugby at fullback and scored a try from doing outrageous, like, dummy reverse flick. And went straight through and scored in the corner on, you know, maybe five, ten minutes in. And Dragons fans anointed him as the future man who shall one day rule the world. And he was OK. And in the following season, they had, who would have been their fly off at the time? Left. In 2012? Yeah. No, no, no, it'd be, they are, they had Jason Tovey, it would have been Tovey went to Cardiff. Yeah. And so they were left with him and Arwell Robson, who is one of the greatest rugby players that I have seen in my life. Um, and they were left with those two kind of battling for the ten shirt, and neither of them kind of laid it down. And I think both of them ended up playing the championship a few years later. Of course. Yeah, Steph Jones was a good player. Good player. Good fun. As I say, Jason in between his hair, which is now rare in a rugby player. Also just stitched up. He had like a Fred Deuss, like, soul patch as well. Yes. So, on the wing then, a player who I actually remember was Patrick Leach. Patrick Leach on the beach. He did score this game, yeah. Played about 50 times for the Dragons. Good player. Great player. Really rated by Leach. The centres are a bit weird, right? I don't know if you can guess who the outside centre is. Roderick Omer Davis. No. Do you have a guess? Do you have a guess? No, I don't. Okay, so the inside centre first was Lewis Robling. Oh, yeah. I sort of remember that. It was Lewis Robling was the other 10. Sorry, not Ola Robson. Ola Robson came after. It was Lewis Robling was the other one. Yeah. His dad was a commentator. I'm pretty sure he's still on that CV too, maybe. Or something like that. Oh, man. Lewis Robling. Decent player, Lewis Robling. Yeah, he's only CV2. He's played for Blackheath. Wow. Yeah, was one of those players who sort of got talked of a lot as a 20-year-old or something, and then didn't quite make it at the Dragons, and eventually got let go. Yeah. I think early Bernard Jackman era. So. He scored a three and a win over the Ospreys in 2012. This was, that was like 20 days before this, where they beat us 20-20. Oh, wow. 20 at Morganstone Brewery, I think. Right. Partner in Lewis Robling was Andy Tuolaghi. Of course! Of course! I remember my dad watching this game and describing it as like a Tuolaghi tribute act. Anatele Tuolaghi played in this game. He was at Dragons until, yeah, he was there for two years. Played 42 times for the Dragons. I thought he was there for about three months. That's why I was like, I had to check. I was like, shit, he played 42 times. It screams like a short-term injury cover, because he was back out of centres. So where do you think he ended his career? Oh, geez. French third division? It was French third division. He played for Tarbay Pyrenees Rugby. Yes! One of those towns that when I was in France at the World Cup, you'd go by and you'd go, oh, I know they exist because I've seen him in the French league structure. Yeah. So Andy Tuolaghi, I always forget, played like a good, played like three matches, like J.J. Norbrecht. No, he genuinely played like 43 times for the Dragons, and I cannot remember it whatsoever. So then on the other wing then was Will Harries. Yes! Now we're talking. Now we're talking. Look, Will Harries, look, this is the peak of good player for me. It's Will Harries and it's Tom Harbourfield, two of my favourite players of all time. I love Will Harries and I miss him endlessly. Was from Bedford Blues originally. Yeah. Was Welsh qualified, signed for the Dragons. I think made his, I can't remember, he made his debut one week and his second game was against Saracens and he scored two tries out of nowhere and the Dragons won away at Saracens at the start of him being really good. Played for Wales Sevens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, of course that was it, it was Bedford Blues and Wales Sevens, signed for the Dragons. Went on to win his first cap, got called up by Wales in 2010 for the Tour of New Zealand and Shane Williams got an injury. Won his first cap off the bench, then started against Australia that autumn and played perfectly well, you know, it was good. Didn't get much opportunity then in the last minute, he went on, last few minutes, last three or four minutes, he went on this brilliant winding run. We beat Ashley Cooper, all ends up, beat Matt Gitto, went inside out on Andrew Mitchell, kind of beat that legendary Australian back line and then, you know, got hauled down, whatever, who cares. Following week, there's this young kid who's fit again, so Wales decided to give him a go. That kid is called George North and Will Harris finds himself dropped and Harris will play for Wales once more, which is against the Barbars a few years later. But I loved Will Harris, he was sort of Shane Williams in the way, he glided around, he's one of those players that hit me at exactly the right age and forever one of my favourites. Like, if I could create an all-time, like, personal Barbarians team, he's possibly in there. I love him and I could talk about him for hours as you're fighting out right now. It's a perfect quiz question for who is the winger that moved out the way for George North, I suppose. That's going to be a brilliant one in about 10 years' time. There's people, there's going to be people that are scratching their heads and who it is. Who could it possibly be, that young winger who was being viewed as the future that summer? He went to Ealing after his... He did, but he was at, also, Chinna, he signed for Chinna afterwards, and I'm trying to find out if he's playing for Chinna under Nick Easter. I think he's retired now. That would be so good if he did. But for a long time kept tabs on him and just hoped he'd come back. He's 37 now, so... That's what I'm saying. He could still well be playing in Chinna. Yeah. Now he's not. Oh, that's disappointing. Yeah, he played for Ealing until 2019 when Ealing got a bit of money, so it was like, fair play. And then finally was Jamie Smith at Fulback, who was Irish. It was the least Irish name ever. Was from Bally. He's a Belfast boy. So on the bench... Will Harris is now a Quantitative Surveyor, so good for him. I hope he glides around the Quantitative Surveyor. Rhys Buckley at Hucker. Perfectly serviceable Hucker. Still only 34. Aaron Condley. Yeah, Condley. A vague memory. Condley, that's the one. Caffilly boy. Then you had Keiron Jenkins. No memory whatsoever. Yeah, only played with 6,000 Dragons. Annie Hodge. No idea. Played one time for Britain. This was his only game for the Dramatics. Oh, mate. Josh Tyler. Again, we're really scraping the barrel down here. Really scraping the barrel. Jonathan Evans. Oh, good player. Jonathan Evans is a good player. Solid player. Underrated. My granddad was once in the shop behind his mum, because he's from Ostermannach, near my grandparents, and his mum was complaining to the lady at the checkout that he should be playing more for the Dragons. Then you had Luke Williams at centre. Again, only played twice. And then Geraint O'Driscoll. Yes, who had no Irish links. Yeah, he's like the millennial Gester O'Callaghan. Yeah. But Gester O'Callaghan, no offence, is probably a bit more talented. So yeah, that was the Dragons. That was the peak bottom of the barrel Dragons team. So now we get into a January 2012 Osprey squad. There are two debuts in this game, as far as I can tell. Okay. So Stefan Watermeyer, we've already talked about that. Stefan Watermeyer. Sam Davies was on the bench, wasn't he? Sam Davies was on the bench. Would this have been his debut? No, Nipper played before this, didn't he? No, would this have been Sam Davies' debut? Nipper had played a pre-season game where he scored a hat-trick, and then played that game against Leicester that we talked about. Let me have a look. I have the player records for Osprey, so yeah, I can tell you. Ah. This was Sam Davies' debut. Oh, yes. There's another one who I didn't factor in, actually. So, and we'll come to him in a bit. Okay, so let's start. So at loose head you had Kai Griffiths. Yeah. Mamma, good player, doing fantastic things at London Welsh. Worked a lot with Swansea Uni as well. Um, so Kai Griffiths. Scott Baldwin, who would have been young-ish at this point? 23, he would have been. Fringes of the Wales squad. That's what I meant before that, because he was quite a late developer, Scott Baldwin. And then obviously played at the 2015 World Cup. Played well at the 2015 World Cup, actually. Yeah. His first cap was the summer tour in Japan, which was then two years later. Yeah. And I think he'd kind of just broken the Ospreys team that season before he won his first cap. And then Aaron Jarvis. Oh. Late head. Good player. A classic. We, we, go, I can't remember which episode it was, but go back into the archives and listen to those peak Aaron Jarvis chats that we went into. Uh, Lloyd, he's known as Lloyd Ashley here, but he was Lloyd Piers. And always will be in my heart. Um. Piers without a pier. Yeah. Perfectly, like, serviceable club player. And I love him for it. Um. Massive head. Really big head. He would have been young at this point, actually. He would have been like early 20s. Yeah. Yeah, he was 20 at this stage. He was. Yeah. So he would have been one of, James Good partnered him in the second. Yes. He was okay. He was okay. I. Good. I think I underrated James King for the first couple of years of his career, because I saw James Good, who was five, who was a perfectly decent, like, fourth or fifth choice lock. Went to Falcons, was from Whitchurch. I was at Whitchurch the other day. Ended up playing for, he played for Manawatu in 2007, 2009. Wow. Oh, that was, yeah, the Ospreys had a period of sending players out. Yeah, they sent a lot of players out to the. Yeah, so Jonathan Spratt went and played in New Zealand and a few others. Played for the Manawatu Turbos. I want to see the internationals. Who are their All Blacks? Christine Cullen. Future Ulster, Captain Aaron Cruden. Who else? Who do I reckon is here? N'Ganlo Maffei. So yeah, he's up there with the greats. James Good is in there. Yeah, I can't remember him. I won't lie. I do tell you who I do remember. Chauncey O'Toole. Yes. Now we're talking. There was a piece on Wales Online before he signed for the Ospreys calling him the best amateur player in the world and was really being hyped up. And then signed for the Ospreys, bombed that one try, played this game where I think he was pretty good from my memory. And that was that. Probably played, what, five or six games for the Ospreys? He played five games for us and then was so shitty he got sent on loan to Bridgend. Where he played three games at Bridgend. Weirdly, he played one game for Glasgow beforehand as well. I can't see who he signed him from. Was he the best semi-pro player in the world though? Yeah. His previous, played for RGC, was last seen as a firefighter. Oh wow. In Canada, I think. I can't remember what he looked like. Chauncey O'Toole. Oh no, I remember this. If I walked past him in the street, I'd go, that's Chauncey O'Toole. It's one of these things that, I know, like, yes, I think you've got the same thing, where things hit you at the right age and they'll be in your head forever. He looks like a firefighter. You might not appreciate it now, but like, with age you realise, like, oh, I don't remember half of my friends' names, but I remember everything about the Ospreys squad when I was 14. I don't remember half of my friends' names now. And one of them is Morgan Morse. It's either that or the fact that there wasn't any around when I was growing up, so maybe the Ospreys squad did kind of take over. But yeah, who knows? Sam Lewis at seven. He was good. Yes. Good player. I always loved that try against Conox he set up, the Hassler one, where he makes a tackle and he plays over, inexplicably gets the jackal and then gets it off the Hassler. Thank you. Yes, thank you. Yes, I saw that as well, don't worry. Sam Lewis, yes. Is he still at Hertford? I think he's at Hertford, isn't he? Oh, maybe. I'm pretty sure he's at Hertford still. He might be in this Championship, I think, yes. So Hertford does sound great. So he was at Worcester for a long time. And then Bristol. No, he played for Bristol for a bit, didn't he? Yeah, he did, yeah. A little stint for Bristol, of course. Yeah. Went grey very early and looked suspiciously like Littlefinger off Game of Thrones. Mainly in this photo. I'm going to put the chat and it does look a bit like Littlefinger. Also looks like Peter O'Mahony if you have to draw Peter O'Mahony from memory. Yes, I can see that. I don't know how to describe it. That's the best way I can describe it, is if you have to draw Peter O'Mahony from memory. That's how I'm drawing. Yeah, had two games for Bristol Bears. Nine games for Bristol. Oh, nine games. Yeah, it would be that day. I checked two sources because I am a Sam Lewis stan. Of course, you know, brother of Ben Lewis, who was also a good player. Yeah. I was there to retire very tragically early. Yeah, okay. Yeah, he was a good player. 115 games for Worcester in total. 41 for the Ospreys. Only 41? He made his mark in those 41, didn't he? Yeah, he was very good in those 41 games. Hmm. Morgan Allen at eight. Still, still playing now. Still going. Still trudging along. Scored a winning try against Gloucester for the Ospreys. Did. Yeah. Could have used him this weekend. Good beard. Didn't he play for Ealing as well? Or am I making that up? Ooh. I think, no, I think you might. Didn't he just go straight to Cardiff? Yeah, he did. He played for Ealing for a year. Wow. He, um. Yeah, played for Ealing. Obviously, he was at the Scarlets then. Ooh. And inexplicably had six appearances for West Wales Raiders. Oh, yeah. Yes, I do remember that. No, he did go to Wales. Ten games for Wales in the 20s, though. Oh. Uh. Apparently, he's related to Andy Allen, his father, who played for Wales in the 1993 terms. Yeah, he played for Ealing. Yeah, he went from Carmarthen, Queens to Ealing and then to Bedrock to Cardiff. And then, where is he now, Justin? Is he at Cardiff still? Yeah, he's still at Cardiff. He was captain at the start of the season when they headed the Sardis for their derby. I think he's still playing in the Sardis this season. Yeah, good player. Then, the mole at nine, Tom Haverfield. Oh. We've got both Will Harris and Tom Haverfield here. This is the best game of rugby that's ever been played by two favourite rugby players. It doesn't get any better than this. You know, I've got to pretend that I'm like the can you am or whatever. No, if it was up to me, every single video would be about Will Harris and or Tom Haverfield. 136 games for the Ospreys, I'm pretty sure. Wow. Wow. Just, I'll never forget. He's still only 31, for fuck's sake. He can still do a job. Why aren't Cardiff picking him up? Why aren't the Ospreys picking him up? Surely he's better than Matthew Albury. He is. He always has been. This is a topic of some ire for me. I never forget your clip in, I can't remember if it was the first Ospreys video or one of the, I think it was the Conor Murray one, where you go like, you're one of the most consistent scrum halves in the world, and it's like a flashback, like really good scrum halves, and then Haverfield pops up at the end. Well, he's not wrong, because I knew of your inexplicable love for him. I've been sharing it myself. Yeah. So, but it's like a joke that literally only the 3,000 that turn up at the stadium can get. Yeah. But like, we would, on the way down to Bristol the other week, me and Will were running for our favourite, like, not our favourite players of the team, but players we most enjoy cheering for. That, or our favourite players of all time team, like, Haverfield is in there for me. That'd be good, but we should do one of them. Yeah. That'd be a great, that'd be great fun, yeah. He may be even captain. You know, I love Tom Haverfield. One of my all-time favourite players. I remember, it might have been that video, it might have been a similar one, because I put a lot of Tom Haverfield references in early on, in the Scudrosi video. Actually, bring it back, I say! I know! There was going to be one in the Gibson Park one, but then it just, like, got left out, which is a shame. I'm going to rework the video in the final going up on Sunday, to suddenly be entirely about Tom Haverfield, and see if those South Africans still click on it. I remember the one being, like, someone saying, like, I'm learning about the game a lot, and I was looking through these players, and I recognised, like, Brian Habana, and I recognised Johnny Wilkinson, or whoever, but I didn't recognise the third player. And so I looked him up, and I discovered, ah, it's a young scrimmark of Tom Haverfield, and I'll keep an eye on him, because he's clearly one of the most talented players in the world. And that player grew up to be Antoine Dupont. So then you had Nipper at 10, Andy Howell was in the crowd here, clearly. This is, I think, one of the core Nipper texts, is this, it's the other game at the Brewfield against Leicester. There was a handful of them where he absolutely carved up. He loves playing against the Dragons as well, I remember. Yeah. Because you had that one where he went for length of the field, length of the field at Liberty as well, when Dragons were playing in that awful blue and black. Yeah, that Osprey's back line is really interesting as well. I'm pretty sure Bigger played the night at 12. Yeah. If memory serves me correctly. Wow. And Eli Walker on one wing, would have been a young Eli Walker there. Yeah. Just before he caused havoc in Europe. Yeah, he did. This is just pre-Europe, you're right, where he batted around to lose. 19 years old. What a good player. How did they make it his debut? Stefan Watermeyer. A legend, a hero, a greatly underrated player, a player I greatly enjoyed, scored a brilliant try. Also had a moment where I think he ripped the ball, got a turnover through like a 50 metre pass of his wrong hand, wide and someone made a break off it, probably Walker or Dirksen. Spoilers. And I think it might have been Eli Walker, Eli Walker scored a try, didn't he? Yeah, he did score a try. I think it was his try, was Watermeyer ripping the ball off someone and then throwing it immediately wide to Walker, who was unmarked because, you know, the hand had been set up to defend and then ran it in from there. Yeah, always wanted to do more of him. Never quite happened to remember the Ospreys. Do you know why he was released from the Ospreys? No. No. I remember the injury he suffered after scoring a brace against Cardiff. So he scored a try in his debut and was named man of the match. But he was released because of the implementation of a salary cap. Oh. So that's why he was released and then joined the Pimas and the Greek. Greek was, yeah. And then the Pimas came after. Wow. So, yeah, with the salary cap. So, you know, shame we couldn't say they made a social contract, eh? So, yeah, he went. Oh, wow. Because of the salary cap. Partnering him was a 103-year-old Sonny Parker. Good player. Great player. We've said so much about Sonny Parker, but it's just becoming boring. Hannah Dirksen on the other wing would have been young Hannah Dirksen. Yeah. Obviously would go on to demolish Munster a few months later. Win the entire league, I think, away at Leinster. This was at the year after? No, it was this year, 2012, wasn't it? This was January 2012, so it would have been 2011, 2012. Yeah, it would have been this season. Yeah. Yeah, of course, yeah. I'm being stupid. And then Ross Jones at 15. Where's your social contract? Yeah, where's my social contract? Ross Jones at 15. Two Irish qualified players at fullback. Because there was the infamous tug-of-war between the Osprey and Connell for Ross Jones, who hadn't decided whether he wanted to play for Ireland or Wales. And in the end, it didn't matter. He ended up playing in the Super Six in Scotland. Inexplicably. He did, actually. I think I followed him on Instagram, so I can't actually keep up with it. All of this is just in my head forever. Speaking of 103-year-old players, Mervyn Davies was on the bench. Oh, I get it. Jesus. I need to erotize this season. Loved that era of like... Oh, yeah, he was. He was 39 at the time, Mervyn Davies. 39-year-old Mervyn Davies as a player coach. Loved it. Joe Rees. Yeah. On the bench. It was a vague memory of him. Was it... Johnny Thomas. Yeah. Zivert Brock. No, no memory of Johnny Thomas. Sam Bowles. Remember him? I don't. I should go for the Whites a bit. Sam Williams. Oh. Rory Pittman. Big lad. Two separate players that got signed by the Scouts by a few games got hyped up by the Welsh press and then sort of disappeared to go and play in the Welsh Prem. Very big lad. I think he played that Christmas in the 2012-2013 season against us. I think it was that year. I don't know. Yeah, it was. It was. He played against us. Um. Tom Grabham. Then was replacement to Scrum Heart. Decent player. Kind of the power shot of Tom Harfield. Yeah. Both the Nines could also do a shift on the wing as well. Didn't he have a brother? Oh, yeah. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Played one game for the Scarlets in 2017, Tom Grabham. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Against Bristol, maybe? Hmm. So the one we covered earlier, Sam Davis made his debut. 18 years old, I think. 18 years old. Nigel Davis's son. And Amanda's son as well. Don't forget Amanda Davis. Um. A lot of hype around him. Um. You know. Stuart Barnes would go on to glaze over Sam Davis and his wand of a left boot. Um. Probably never really fulfilled his potential. But was very much, obviously, unlucky to be stuck behind Bigger. Um. In a very talented pool of 10s as well with the likes of, um. Patchell, Priestland. Uh. Yeah. Early years of Amscom. But. Ah. Just such a good player, man. They're all causing chaos in the Pro D.D. as well. Yeah, he's having a tear in his eye down there. And now he's like, apparently got the best gin in the world or something like that. I think he got hooked. Yeah, so I haven't seen the drop goal from a couple of weeks ago. I just go and watch it. I just. If you are looking for Sam, please send me some gin. Um. And also, um, say hi to Warhickey for us. Yeah. Say hi to Warhickey. Yeah, that's a deep cut joke. That's for the regular listeners. That is for the regulars. So, who do you think was at 20, was wearing 23 and made his debut? So. Yeah, new one. Yeah. Are they still at the Ospreys? They're still at the Ospreys right now. Okay. So, um. There's now a side back. Yeah, so it's too early for Watkin. It's too early for Watkin. He couldn't. Was it Dan Edwards? No. No, because I remember Kieran Jones's debut against Benetton years after that. Was it a pre-Sevens Luke Morgan? That was pre-Sevens Luke Morgan. Wow. Back when he just had pace, not Sevens pace. Yeah. So, what? So, this was Luke Morgan's debut. Wow. Now, all those years ago. And you forget how long he's been at the Ospreys, because you forget he's an academy boy. Yeah. That just happened to go and play for Wales Sevens for like five years or whatever. Six years. So, yeah. Luke didn't get a yellow card. Disappointed. Oh, man. Um. Cap. So, he had a lot of hype around his Wales bet, right? And then they never passed him the ball. Yeah, that was a weird. Yeah, because my mother, we were discussing international players a couple of days ago, me and my mother. And she's a really big Luke Morgan fan for whatever reason. Handsome lad. Very handsome lad. Potentially. And for some reason, my mother's got some sort of weird phobia of when there's cutting inside off the wing. I don't know why. And yeah. But, um, but this conversation revels on about internationals and the Ospreys camp. And I'm saying, oh, yeah, Luke Morgan, there's another international for you. And her jaw dropped because, and then I just remembered his debut, thinking he had about an hour of 65 minutes in Scotland. And he rarely did. I didn't even have a touch. I think he passed the ball once. And it was like carrying the ball back into zone 22 and dotting it down for a dropout. It was depressing. A weird debut after a really good run of form in the build-up. Yeah. Has had nine yellow cards for the Ospreys, by the way, and one red card. But so his run before that Wales debut was four tries and five starts. Yeah. Which is not bad. Which wouldn't even get you a look in at the Wales squad at the minute. No, not if you play for the Ospreys. If you play for the Cardiffs, you're automatically starting. If you were 12 years old and played for Cardiff. Yeah. He's about to make his 100th appearance. If he plays, he's got two games to 100 plays and 98 caps at the minute. Which obviously, you know. So. 24 tries. So he's just 14 behind Sam Parry. In just two games. No, he's got three games fewer than Sam Parry. Yeah. No, yeah. Yeah, two games fewer than Sam Parry. And he's got 14 fewer tries as a reasonably prolific winger. So, yeah. That's possibly the most niche good player we've done. It's an LG Cup game from January 2013. I greatly enjoyed it. And I don't think Rob has ever been more happy. This is my element. We talked about previous week. We'd lost 24-14 to Worcester Warriors. Well, you see, I looked into doing the EDF Energy or the Anglo-Welsh from 2008-2009. But we were just really good and we were just beating everyone. So I thought, oh shit, I'll do it in 2008. So I thought that'd be a bit boring, actually. You want the list of players we release in order to avoid the salary cap at the end of that season? Yes, please. Here's a blast, I'm asking you. So there's a few, right? So Matt Torrance, no real memory of. Ben Thomas, not that one. No, not that one. Bray Cross, Ken Dowding, who sounds like a Tory politician from the 90s. And then we start to get into the names, right? So, Dai Flanagan. Oh yeah, Dai Flan was still there, yeah. For salary cap reasons. Rory Pittman. Big money Dai Flanagan, yeah. Went to the Scarlets. Barry Davis, warm cap wonder. I was his nickname 18 months, wasn't it? One and a half years. He was... Yeah, good player, Barry Davis. Good fullback, yeah, yeah, good fullback. Really solid second choice. Really synonymous with that black and blue kit we have. Yeah, yeah. My dad would always talk about how many times he played really well for Wales, despite the fact he got one cap off the bench. And no idea what he was imagining there. No idea what he'd made up, but, you know, I've wondered that many times since. Chauncey O'Toole. Yeah. Stephen Watermire, tragically. Yeah. And Gareth Owen. Oh. Another, what could have been. Ended up as a bit of a journeyman. Went to Scarlets, went to Leicester. Where I think his career ended with a red card against maybe Northampton. During that really... Didn't he like bulk up and become like a really decently bulky 12? Yeah, he became like a big 12, like a boshy 12 for Leicester. 12, I'm like, where did this come from? Came out of nowhere. Yeah. What was... So, Gareth Owen was compared to Gavin Henson by Scott Johnson, infamously, because he had olive skin and could play a variety of positions in the back line, which were why Scott Johnson said it. He mentioned his olive skin in the thing. And then after a pre-season game against Leeds, which is another game we'll have to do because I have a signed team sheet of that on my wall at my mum's. I went round... I'm glad your mum didn't get it. Yeah. The Osprey squad was sat a few rows behind us. So we went round and like me and Will got our team sheets signed. We were maybe 12, 13, signed by the full squad. It was like Tommy Bowe, Shane Williams, Gerry Collins' first season there. There were all sorts. But yeah, after that game, we'd been man of the match, Gareth Owen. He tweeted something like, next Wales 12, you're looking at him. Then got released that season. Yeah, I'm looking at pictures of him at Leicester. The difference between him at Osprey and him at Leicester. He's at Falcons as well, wasn't he? Oh. Yeah, he became a very bulky 12. So, cool. Right, let's very quickly talk Stormers. We predict rotation, definitely, in certain positions. But maybe just be like, fuck it, the league points. Who got released in like different seasons in my head, man. Sorry. No, no, you're absolutely fine. Oh, yeah, so, I don't know what to think of it. It's just going to be different. From the way Oof talked about it and then Kupfer talked about it, the difference between the two is going to be huge. Oof talked about it and then Kupfer talked about it. The priority feels a four-try bonus point as a real target. It's happened against the Bulls last season, wasn't it? Where they went out and came home with that. Just picking up some points in order to stay in the hunt. Again, the URC supercomputer projected that we're going to need 49 points to get in. They're currently on 35. So, if you're looking at wins against Cardiff and the Dragons as realistic wins, you're looking at needing three or four points out of these games against the Bulls, the Stormers and Leinster, which is the tricky one. Or you're hoping that, you know, Ulster and Benetton and so on start to slip up more and more. Well, we need Cardiff to be actually competent this week. Yeah. If they can get over their troubles and make us all incredibly proud, that'd be wonderful. Yeah. But the rumours of Tolupe Falote coming back might make sense. That's true, yeah. A little boost for Cardiff, that. Yeah, if we do manage to get Jack Morgan and Toby Lake back, that'd be huge. But I'm kind of expecting a changed and younger team, as we've talked about, for both emotional reasons as well as for fitness reasons. A lot of these players have played an awful lot of rugby. I feel like Dan Edwards might get a go at 10. I think we might see a few of the, you know, perhaps Morgan Morse might get a run out. Lewis Lloyd, a few of these younger players who have stepped up really well, might get another chance to prove themselves and see what they can do. And our defence has improved massively over the last year. And last year we scored four tries and then just fell off enough that, you know, led in, what, four or five, two of those games away in South Africa, late on. And if they can just maybe keep out one or two of those tries, they can potentially be in the hunt to pick up two points or even more late on, which has got to be the goal. Yeah, I can't argue with that. If Storm has scored a lot of tries, it's very manageable to kick him anyway. So, you know, we can stay in the hunt. Also worth noting as well, the Stormers have a bit of an injury crisis going on. And they did not have many players left at the end when they scored that try to, you know, they missed the conversion against La Rochelle. But yeah, they have some injuries. This might be a decent time to play them, to line it up. But also they are very much targeting the league. This is their goal. This is all they're about. And they're really up for it. I'm trying to think. Yeah, Forte has to be the has to be the target. Sorry, I'm just seeing who we signed in 2013, 2014. Go on. So we signed this is a really mixed bag. Tyler Arjon, good player. Matthew Dwyer. Sam Williams, who's Aberavon, not Swansea. Yeah, the name clicks now. I kind of got a little bit of a jind. Was he the one that played for Germany? Yes, former Thompson player. He follows her on Twitter, weirdly. Yeah. I see him on Twitter. He's the Murphy man on Twitter. That's always stuck with me. I don't know off the top of my head, but you might be right. Tito Cabaldi. Jeff Hassler. Oh, man, that's a mixed bag. Right, sorry, I got distracted again. Stormers, let's go get a trade bonus point and be somewhat competent, please. And actually go at them in the lineouts. Let's play to our strengths. Let's just have some fun. Aim for that one or two points if we can. Obviously, we don't aim for the win. But, you know, getting just points out of South Africa is what we have to do. We've got the monkey off our back in terms of winning South Africa. So, yeah, it's going to be tough. I wonder if it might be a really good game for this team to have immediately after the quarterfinal where there is no pressure on them whatsoever. You know, if they're coming into a game against the Dragons where they're expected to win or, you know, they get Judgment Day, which is another big game they've got to get themselves up for. That may be more difficult even into a semifinal where you could see that I think the weight of the previous few weeks had weighed on them a bit. And coming into two or three games back to back where they're not expecting to get a result with a week off in the middle might be really good for this team kind of rejuvenating themselves and building towards the end of the season. I'm particularly safe. You can potentially, you know, this is a. A storm of teams are missing some key players with injuries. Dimani picked up an injury last time and there's a chance, you know, the. There's a like Springbok alignment camp as well that I think is coming up. So there's a chance those players might be, you know, the box in the world. Might not play, which would be a bonus. And maybe if the storm is going to be softened up slightly, you can potentially get into them a bit. I, I think we can get into them anyway. I genuinely think so. You know, we, what was the last result with them? We drew with them on it. So can you not go after a Steven Myler conversion after a Scott Baldwin would have all tried lessons. That was a weird Friday night game. That was a PRD ref game. Yes, he was. Yeah. All the way. Ironically scored the first try of the night. It was so key. All those. That was a yeah. I'm like a 50 meter parent in the rain. Glorious. That's a weird, weird. Yeah, yeah. That was a strange Friday night. That was a Friday night. Right. So I think that's everything. Um, I think we got way too carried away. And I could play and I actually love it. I think I feel like we've gone back to people playing. Um, I'm definitely LV cap. It might be my new hunting ground. That and preseason games. Oh, there's such gold in preseason games, man. Out there. Yeah. Not at the time, but afterwards. No, God, no. Um, so that's us. We, uh, I'm not going to be here now for a couple of weeks. Yeah. Um, so I will, by the time the scope, uh, by the time next week happens, I will have, uh, had the baby. Um, so I'm going to be taking a break, uh, from the diary. The, uh, the pod will continue with the capable hands of the boys. I will still record it for them. Um, and various other things. Um, but, uh, yeah, I'll still be on the Twitter and doing all that stuff. But, uh, you won't see, you won't see or hear me on the pod. Um, thank you to all the people who reached out and came messages. It does mean a lot. Uh, I think we've built a really great community, uh, here at this podcast. So, yeah, bottom of my heart. Thank you. Um, I'll see you when I do. Um, I may be trying to come back from the, uh, the well-started business. 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