EP24 Beyond The Brink 😮‍💨Secret Window Day! US Debt Clock LIVE Discussion

The show "Beyond the Brink" discusses the usdebtclock.org, a digital timepiece created in the 1980s to shed light on the growing national debt and raise awareness of the federal debt problem. The clock is not just a ticker, but a platform with a mission to educate the public on government spending. The hosts discuss their lack of knowledge on the subject and how they are using AI tools to improve their understanding and writing skills. They also touch on the history of the Federal Reserve Act and Woodrow Wilson's role in signing it into law. Welcome to Beyond the Brink. This is the show that explores global events that are pushing people to their limits and driving them to the brink of change. I'm your host. My name is Christy, and I'm here with my amazing co-host, Melissa. Hello, everyone. How are you? Today we're deep-diving into a digital timepiece that has been counting since 1989, shedding light on the economic heartbeat of the nation. Have you ever ventured into the world of the usdebtclock.org? This privately-owned digital marvel was born out of concern in the financially turbulent 1980s under the Reagan era. With his sons by his side, accountant Ed Hall embarked on a labor of love driven by a mission to shine a spotlight on the growing national debt. But the clock's ceaseless ticking is only part of the story. Debtclock.org isn't just a ticker. It's a platform with a mission. Their goal is clear, and that's to raise awareness of the already existing and growing federal debt problem and educate the public on government spending. So before we kick things off, let's hear from all of you awesome viewers out there. If you're tuning in on YouTube or on Rumble, would you give us a thumbs-up and a like or a follow? Hello, Rumble. Rumble, Rumble, yeah, please. And you can catch up on all of our previous episodes by visiting our website at VidaBroadcastNetwork.com or on your favorite podcast platform. Just search for us using the handle at Vida Broadcast. So let's dig into today's content. Well, yes, let's do. Boy, I mean, I know a lot of people, they might not be aware of this U.S. debt clock. And, you know, those of us that are on X are quite aware of it. I mean, I guess those of us that are running in those circles that are kind of giving this attention. But I find it fascinating, and there are several different folks that are kind of covering it, and I thought we'd put our two cents in as well. You know, there's just so much information that they're sharing. And like you said in the opening, it was an accountant of all people that created this. And what a legacy he is leaving, he and his sons, with trying to educate the public on things that, you know, this is all public knowledge that's out there, but not necessarily knowledge that we were taught in school. That's for sure. Those types of things were kind of overlooked, right? Yeah, for sure. So I was going to share my screen and just kind of show the folks at home watching on YouTube what we're talking about in case they haven't seen it. This is usdebtclock.org. And on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays from 6 p.m. to 12 a.m., they are giving little messages within the debt clock. And when you go to it today, they've got this newest message up there. And can you read that, Christy? Can you see it? Yeah, it's a bit small. Are you able to read it, or do you want me to read it? If you could read it, it's on my third screen, so I can't see it. Oh, sure, sure. It says, For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Interesting, huh? Let's see. I'm going to stop sharing there. I'm hearing myself here on the phone, so I'm going to put my phone away. Okay. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, I think that's very interesting. This is a variety of different messages that keep popping up on this debt clock, and who knows what they're going to put next. But I think it's very interesting, the topics. And when they bring it up, you can kind of start looking into it. And the other day, I think you brought it to my attention, there was a message or a post by Santa Surfing on X, and I'll share my screen again just to kind of show the folks what we're talking about. They had put on there the new usdebtclock.org message a couple of days ago was the Woodrow Wilson message. And I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country because of the dirty illegal Federal Reserve. The value of the dollar dropped to three cents in 110 years. Gold in 1913 was around $20 an ounce, and now it's hovering around $2,000. Now, that was actually the quote, I'm a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. And that was the quote by Woodrow Wilson. The rest of the speak is from Santa Surfing. But I thought we would kind of go over what that particular post and Woodrow Wilson, you know, the kind of the history over that, how that transpired. I think, to be honest with you, I didn't, again, I think I've kind of fessed up. I didn't pay attention or give a lot of attention in high school history and government. And to be honest, I thought that was for the smart kids, right? I personally, you know, a little history of me, I didn't come from the most elite type of family. And I kind of was one of those welfare kids, so to speak. And so back then, you weren't really empowered or lifted up to feel like you could really understand these things. And they sort of placed you in classes based on, you know, how well you did. But also kind of in classes, if you know what I mean. And so I wasn't really put in any of the AP type classes. They didn't have AP classes. And I'm a bit older than you. We didn't have them. When I was in school, but they, you know, all of the kids that were going to probably go to college, you know, they were all in a certain class and whatnot. And so when I was in there, I thought, what do I even pay attention to government? Pay attention to, I don't care about this stuff right now, you know. And boy. Well, they did have gifted and talented education classes. But we didn't have AP classes, at least not in my high school. Not at all. And, you know, I was like you, Melissa. When I was a young kid, I could care less about history. It really was boring, probably because my teachers were boring. The classes I enjoyed the most were the classes that where my teachers had energy. Like I loved my science classes because my science teachers were really cool. And, you know, there's a couple of other classes that, some of the math classes, I wasn't really good at math, but I enjoyed math because my teachers were really cool. So it wasn't a problem. It does help to have a cool teacher. Yeah. Always make a difference, right? Yeah. And English, forget that noise. Forget it. I'm learning how to write. I'm getting better and better every day. I tell Ryan, you know, my goal is to improve my vocabulary and my grammar and that. And, you know, I know a lot of people are bummed out by this whole AI thing, but I am actually, as an adult, using it to train myself how to write properly and how to speak in vocabulary and things like that. And it's really helping me. It's a great tool, isn't it? It is if you use it properly, I suppose. If you use it as a tool. Not as a thinking instrument. Or a think-for-you instrument. Yeah. That's the key, right? Yeah. And then I'll rerun it in an AI chat and see where it can improve upon. Sometimes it doesn't need improving. And sometimes it's just like, oh, thanks, Claude. You did a great job. I'm so proud of you. That's what I mean is that, you know, I have been using it. And, I mean, actually, over the past probably I want to say seven years now that I've really been practicing and, you know, whenever I run across a word in my research, right, and understanding that words matter and that sort of thing, I stop myself and try to, you know, learn what the word means as I'm reading something. And so over these past seven years I've noticed that I'm using words that I didn't use before and I am using them in the correct way. And then writing things, like you say, you put something together and, you know, I put it in the chat thing and say, you know, please rewrite this for me or correct or gram or whatever, and I'm getting better to where you're right. It's less and less that I have correction needed. And so that makes me feel pretty good. Not perfect, but who is, right? Oh, gee. Well, there went my phone again. I actually got booted out of here, so I'm back in now. I apologize for that little interruption. No, no problem. Hey, y'all. I see Mother Goose. And welcome, Mother Goose and Rosemary and Boomer. Good to have y'all back. Thanks for joining us. We love it. If you have anything you'd like to contribute, raise your hand and we'll bring you up. We'd love to get some conversation going on around this. Well, one of the things I guess I wanted to kind of start off with, if you don't mind, because I didn't really know this stuff either, and when they were talking about Woodrow Wilson, I have a couple resources here that I wanted to touch on. And the one is from the FederalReserveHistory.org. And so the Federal Reserve Act was signed into law on December 23, 1913, and President Woodrow Wilson signed it culminating three years of discussion and debate over the development of a central bank. And so basically, I don't think I want to read this verbatim, but the nation was confronted with yet another financial crisis in 1907, and the United States only had one of the world's major financial powers without a central bank. And partly I think we didn't want one, right? I mean, I think we kind of were fighting against having a central bank, right? And so this, I think, was kind of used, just like they create these crises that they have going on now, they seem to be using these things to, you know, kind of corral the people into a direction that they want them to go in. And so as a result, the finance mogul J.P. Morgan, where do we know that name from? He had bailed out the government out of financial crisis in 1895, organized private sector investments and lines of credits to stabilize the banking system amid the latest pandemic. And then it says, recognizing that the nation could not go, could not continue to rely on wealthy individuals to stem an economic and financial crisis, Congress passed the Aldrich-Vreeland Act on May 30th, 1908. The legislation provided for the issuance of emergency currency and created the 18-member National Monetary Commission that was chaired by Senator Nelson Aldrich to determine what changes were necessary to the nation's monetary system and laws relating to banking and currency. So they, you know, these things take a little bit of time to develop, right? I don't know if you have what I'm looking at pulled up. Do you? I do. I was searching a little bit more on Woodrow Wilson because something came up in my head that he was one of our early progressive presidents. And so I find it disingenuous to say he was the most unhappy man that unwittingly ruined the United States. He knew exactly what he was doing by bringing in the Federal Reserve. Yeah. Because, you know, he just was one of those academics that just felt like, if you're not an educated person, you're nothing. The government needs to help us, us uneducated folks. Because you're too stupid to know what's going on. So I'm looking up that quote. So I don't mean to interrupt you, but, yes, I have what you have up. So I'm checking his quote. It's a great industrial noncontroversial system. There's a quite lengthy quote from him that I would touch on down the road here. Well, yeah. It says it's a remixing of words set about turn of the century in banking where he proposed to solve using the Federal Reserve. And then it says, a great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. It's a quote from Monopoly or Opportunity, 1912, criticizing the credit situation before the Federal Reserve was created. I always knew he was – no, he was not a good president for us. It was Calhoun that was a better president. He was more of a – He definitely doomed us. Yes, he did. But he didn't operate alone. Can I go on? Oh, of course. I'm sorry. Yes. So this is saying that recognizing that the nation could not go on or could not continue to rely on wealthy individuals to stem an economic and financial crisis, they passed the Aldrich-Vreeland Act, and that was May 30th, 1908. And then over the next three years, the Commission traveled to the major capitals of Europe and hosted a number of hearings in the United States. And in January 1911, Aldrich unveiled a plan that, after a year of revision by the Commission, was presented to Congress in 1912 and called for a National Reserve Association. And although the bill did not come forward until 1912, it had been under development for years going back to November 1910, meeting investment banker Paul Warburg, Treasury official Adam Platt – I don't know if I'm saying that right – Andrew and others on Jekyll Island, Georgia. The then-secret meeting was organized by financiers and – I probably said that wrong – financiers and bankers who recognized the nation's need for a central bank and wanted to begin the process. Because they did not think the public would welcome a plan crafted in part by bankers, they made an extraordinary effort to keep the meeting secret, only using first names and telling others that they were on a duck hunting trip. And so – okay. So the lies continue. So we're going to – I'm going to continue reading through this, but just to talk about this part for just a second here. So those of us that have been giving this any attention, we're realizing it's miles down the road by the time the public is hearing about things. I mean, we know this now. And so they've been setting themselves up. They were setting themselves up. They had the crises going on, you know, problem, reaction, solution. It happens time and time again. They had this set up. And they – and it's my opinion that they didn't – this was a plan always. You know, they wanted America to get a central bank and get back into the trap of being indebted to someone else and not being sovereign. That was the goal, right? I mean, why would they want us to be independent of them? And given the way that we fought for our freedoms, I would think that they didn't think it would be welcomed very easily, right? So they have to concoct something to get people to fall into it, right? We have to do this type of thing. Well, look how much Woodrow Wilson was involved. I mean, he was not a big fan of the Constitution. It was getting in his way of putting in programs he wanted to put in. So why not shuffle in this new program that's going to, you know, I don't know, what would you say, imprison the people? You know, that's going to slowly rob them over time. I'm not so sure if they knew back in the Jekyll Island days. Maybe they did, you know, because I think, you know, they were all whipped up in what they, I was going to say witchcraft, but that's probably a stretch. But in their kind of thinking at having a set inflation rate, at somewhere along the line, that's going to blow up at some point and come to a point where you have that Kempelian effect where there is no more middle class, but well beyond their life, obviously. So they're not here to see the fruits of their labor. It's their family, the generational wealth, if you will, who's seen the fruits of their relatives' labor. Yeah. I wanted to welcome in Toasty. Thanks for coming. So I kind of want to pick back up where we left off with this. And for those of you that are just joining, we're talking about Woodrow Wilson and his decision to sign us over to the bankers. And so Eldridge, his proposal was attacked initially by the committees in both chambers for giving too little control to the government and too much power to bankers, especially those who ran the largest institutions. Among other features, the plan called for a 46-member board with only six appointed by the government. And one of those, the head of the organization selected from a list of three names supplied by the association. Unlike the first and second banks of the United States, the government would have no stake in the National Reserve Association. Huh. Right? So they didn't like it, but apparently after 1912, the election, any chance the Eldridge plan had of success was gone. Opposition to the proposal was a plank in the Democrat platform. With Democrat Woodrow Wilson winning the presidential election and Democrats holding control of both houses, the banking community, which had strongly backed the Eldridge plan, became anxious about what plan the new administration would propose. I wonder if we've been selecting our presidents. Yeah, probably. I mean, I don't know. I feel like we've been lied to. I know I've been lied to my whole life about pretty much everything that I thought was true. Most of it's not true. And that's just frustrating and disappointing. And, you know, like I said, I guess it's good that I didn't really pay so much attention when I was younger. Well, okay, I need to learn all this stuff now. Anyway, so look what happened. We didn't pay attention. We didn't know we were getting indoctrinated, but we've caught up. You know, I'm sorry. It must be my snarky mood today or whatever the case is. But as you're reading through this, I have these little snarky thought bubbles that just keep popping up because they're, they're just one gem after another. So my apologies that, you know, in advance, because I know there's going to be more of them to follow. No problem. Before we go on mother goose here, I had a couple things to say. She said a couple things here. It says, she said, I don't think we, the people really knew what central banking, the Babylonian money magic back then, what that meant, what that was going to be. And then she did say 1900, only 10% of the population was educated beyond a functional level. Oh, good point. Very good points. Yeah. Which again, I did not know that either. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's very good to know. Hence. That's why she is the mother goose. Mother goose. Yeah. Mother goose. You're laying it down. I'm digging. I'm digging your posting. Very, very cool. I'm glad. I'm glad you joined our posse. Yes. It's funny. Like little old me in a pot of a posse leader is not really accurate, but I am. I am awful glad to have people joining us. I mean, toasty toasty. I believe were you on a, were you doing a little karaoke the other night? Toasty or where, or am I, was I in a different space? But, and I know Rosemary was, so we, we had some fun with that. And, yeah. Yeah. I'm missing something here. Where are you? Toasty? I don't see you remarking here. He has, he has an awesome singing voice. We had a good night. The other night on, on the gotta be karaoke on Saturday nights. Our friend does it. And it's a great fun for any of you interested in, in partaking in, in song. Is that on? Is that here on spaces? It is. Yeah. Cool. It's very cool. It's very cool. I had, I had a fantastic time. I, I, this is probably the third time I've participated and I've listened in a couple of more times before that, before I got the courage to speak. But they're just a welcoming bunch of folks. And, yeah, he's given the thumbs up and Rosemary, she's, she's things in there. And we just, we just have a great time. So, oh, that's terrific. You have a great voice, Melissa. So, I don't know what the problem is. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. So, back to the house of banking and currency committee. So, they assigned a subcommittee under the leadership of Representative Carter Glass to explore reform proposals. Glass quickly enlisted the help of Henry Parker Willis, a professor at Washington and Lee University. Willis, who also wrote for the New York Journal of Commerce, would come to wield enormous influence over a subcommittee whose member had little knowledge of banking and finance. And so, you know, this is, this is another point where you have a small amount of folks that wield a tremendous amount of control and power in decision making, that they have the power to, you know, bamboozle over, you know, just much like what we have going on now. You have all of these people in Congress that, you know, they're supposed to be reading these bills that are passed. And there is no way, if you've paid attention to any of the people that are serving us, you can't tell me that they're reading these thousands and thousands of pages of bills, or even have knowledge to understand what they're even voting for. I just don't believe it. I, I have a real big problem with the fact that they have so many different issues and pages. And it's by design because they, they don't want the public to understand what it is. And I don't think they want the Congress people to understand either what they're voting for. And so here, you know, you have something as important as turning our entire financial system over to bankers, you know, and, and they don't, you know, they don't even under the committee that's going to decide this. They don't even have the education with banking and finance. So how do you think that went? I mean, you know, I'd say we had an insurrection back in 1913. Right? That's the thing. You know, we've always been told that we're the land of the free and everyone looks to us and we're, I don't know, like we're the leaders of the free world and all this kind of stuff. And they also call us the great experiment. And, you know, honestly, I mean, we are the great experiment. And there's even if you look at other countries with the stuff that they, I'm getting off track here, but the things that they won't allow, the chemicals they won't allow in their food and, you know, their, their atmosphere and all those types of things. They laugh at us, you know, Ryan's been to many other countries and he says, they know more about our government than we do. Right? They were just not, you know, most people just don't, don't give it any attention at all. And, and we think that we're, we're so free. And in actuality, we're probably the most brainwashed of, of any population. Which, you know, that could be a big statement for coming out of my mouth, but it's very disappointing to me, but in any event, I'm going to keep reading on this. Is that, is that okay? Is it? So, all right. So the legislation, all right. The legislation that glass introduced had some aspects in common with the Aldrich plan, but there were major differences. While Aldrich would have created a central body, the glass bill provided for a system of regional banks. Glass, in fact, favored as many as 20 regional banks throughout the country and did not like the idea of a central coordinating board. Hmm. Glass also believed firmly in autonomous regional banks, later writing a memoir in the United States with its immense area, numerous natural divisions, still more numerous competing divisions and abundant outlets to foreign countries. There's no argument either of banking theory or expediency, which dictates the creation of a single central banking institution, no matter how skillfully managed, how carefully controlled or how patriotically conducted glass. Also did not like the idea of government control. Like Aldrich, his plan gave most of the authority to bankers. Wilson, however, felt the plan needed an oversight agency. He also believes strongly that neither Congress nor the public would support a proposal that gave the government little control. So. Hmm. Early on glass has suggested that the comptroller of the currency perform a coordinating, coordinating function over the system. But Wilson favored a central board, a provision creating the federal reserve was added to exercise supervisory authority over the banks. It was made up entirely of president appointees, either ex officio or met members because of their cabinet positions or appointees to the board for specific terms to provide bankers with a voice. Wilson also created the federal advisory council, a group of 12 bankers elected by the regional banks that would occasionally meet with the board. Hmm. So, you know, mother pops in here and she says, she goes, we know what they want us to know. Yeah. Which is not a whole lot. Yeah. You know, in the, in the whole, which would occasionally meet with the board, that's kind of like, occasionally supposed to be testing on the, you know, what do I want to say? I can't say the big bees for the peaks for the children, make sure that they're safe and effective. They're supposed to have an oversight committee on that stuff. And golly, gee, sometimes the way that people were on a need to know basis. Yes. Yes. So they determine what we need to know. You guys will be glad to know that this part, this part's all the silver, but I'm going to finish. I'm going to finish this. Dang it. Federal reserve history.org, which I do want to mention that that's also where I got the picture for thumbnail. So. Much of the early congressional. I wanted to shout out Casey. Dang it. Much of the earlier congressional criticism of the bill focused on the fact that glasses subcommittee had largely done its work secretly with Republicans, having little involvement in crafting the legislation. Well, that's a surprise. The more substantive debate, however, focused on the issues of control, especially the power of the central board in the Senate. The debate was generally much more interesting. In the Senate, the debate was generally much more informed and varied than in the house. With senators generally favoring more centralization. Support also began to emerge for measure offered by Oklahoma Democrat Senator Robert L Owen, which was similar to the house bill, but with a few changes, such as limiting the number of reserve banks to no more than 12. Owen also removed the secretary of agriculture and the comptroller of currency from the federal reserve board and change the capital of the system to 6% of member banks capital and the surplus from 20% of capital in the house bill. The move was seen as favorable to smaller banks and Owens bill prevailed. There were certainly differences between the final bills that passed both chambers, but they had much in common matters worked out in committee. Oh, look at we're just working together. Matters worked out in committee included the number of reserve banks, which ended up specifying between eight and 12 and the makeup of the federal reserve board, including the return of the comptroller of the currency to the board. As far as the terms of the federal reserve governors, they agreed on staggered terms and extended them from six to eight years in the approval bills to 10, to ensure no president could appoint all governors during a two term presidency. The federal reserve act was signed by president Wilson on December 23rd, 1913. So. So Jekyll Island was just a, Hey dudes, we've got you here. You know, the Titanic sank. So the people that weren't supposed to be there didn't make it. Yeah. And so they go to Jekyll Island. Right. And so this is this, this this plan was hatched long before they got to Jekyll Island. I can hear it. Let's finish it up. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's just seal the deal. We're going to leave this island. We're going to swap spit and we're going to, you know, exchange blood or have some sort of blackmail on each other. So we don't talk about things and the, the meetings that took place here on Jekyll Island are not to be shared until Edward G. Griffith Griffin came along. Oh, I love him. He, I need to, he is, he is one of my favorites and I was so bummed out that I didn't go to the silver symposium because he was there and I could have been saying, girl got my books. Yeah. That's that's a truth teller right there. Let's see. So mother goose, let's see. She put in a, a post here. May I share? Yeah. You might be able to get this on the space. If you could bring up her. It's a Babylonian magic. The Ragloo, Ragloo ritual. Hopefully I'm saying that our Rack Lou ritual. Shamash, the God of the sun and justice. They destroy those that work evil magic and to unbind that sorcery. This ancient 3000 year old ritual is among the most complex forms of counter magic known in the world. So I'm going to open this up. There's a video that goes with this. 54,000 years ago, So I'm going to open this up. There's a video that goes with this. 54 minutes. So we'll just have to put this in as a link. Yeah. Interesting. Fine. The video is by Esoterica on the Esoterica channel on YouTube. And it's called Babylonian magic. Just as I said. So I'm going to see if I can share this in the chat. That would be great. There you go. Good. Good share. Thank you very much. That is why she is the mother goose. Mother goose. So there was one other. It's very, it's very short. But this actually has a, it's a short little. Synopsis or that's the right word. Short little overview. Article about Woodrow Wilson. And kind of, you know, what happened. And so I thought I'd just go over that and then. And then we should talk about the deck clock. And the creators of it and that sort of thing. So this is from NPR.org. I went old school with this. This was written in December 23rd, 2013. It's entitled A Locked Door, A Secret Meeting in the Birth of the Fed. And so, you know, as we said earlier, 1907, the economy was in the grip of a financial crisis. Unemployment was up. Stock market was down. People started panicking. They were lining up overnight to pull their money out of healthy banks. And this can be deadly for our economy. Healthy banks have to shut down. Businesses can't get credit. They lay people off. The economy gets worse. Well, I read that and I was like, hmm, what's happening? Richard, what's happening now? Right? We're finding ourselves in a similar situation. That's right. That's right. Did you notice when this article was written? 100 years after the Federal Reserve history, after Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act, December 23rd, 1913, and this article from NPR, December 23rd, 2013. Isn't that interesting? You know, this is like a side note. When Trump first came into office and, you know, and then we had the pandemic issues going on and he kept talking about the flu and, you know, going back in the day of, you know, kind of what was happening. This is happening all over again. It's like, you know, what do they say? History repeats itself. It doesn't repeat itself necessarily, but often rhymes. Well, we're rhyming like Busta Rhymes or I can't even think of any rappers. I mean, we're putting on some rhyming, right, right now. But in any event, so back to this, they said, this article says, at the time the U.S. government had no way to deal with panic. There was no institution that could step in to stop the run on Healthy Bank, and so the job of stopping the panic fell to one man. Does anybody want to guess who that man was? Who was he? Who was he? He is the one, the only, never been another one like him, J.P. Morgan of J.P. Morgan fame. He summons dozens of the leading financiers in New York to his private library on Madison Avenue and essentially ordered them to contribute to a $25 million pool that would be used to backstop the system. Then he locked them in and made them stay there through the night until they all agreed to his plan. And the plan worked. It essentially ended the panic in 1907. But some powerful people in Washington wondered, what about the next panic? Do we really want the fate of the U.S. economy to hinge on one rich guy in New York? One person in particular decided that this was a problem, and that was who we were just talking about, Senator Nelson Aldrich, the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee. Aldrich knew there was something America could do so they could no longer have to rely on one guy to end panics. The U.S. could create a central bank. So, okay, problem, reaction, solution. You got, you know, and then, so, all right, whew, we got this happened. This guy had some money, and they threw some stuff in. And now we're beholden to that guy, and we don't really want to beholden to one guy. So maybe we should be kind of reliant on a group. Let's have a central bank. That would be a great idea, right? So, and then, of course, because the initial thing worked with the bailout, or, yeah, the bailout from J.P. Morgan, then people just kind of, they probably felt a sigh of relief, you know. So this was a little bit easier to kind of put it in. And so, anyway, it says, he said, one person in particular decided that this was a problem, and it was Senator Nelson Aldrich, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, who obviously, when you're paying attention to the stuff that's going on right now, those positions in our government are very important. Look what this guy did. So Aldrich knew there was something America could do that it would no longer have to rely on one guy to end it. They would have to create the central bank. And it wasn't a new invention. Countries in Europe already had central banks. And during panics, the central bank basically did what J.P. Morgan did in the U.S., act as lenders of last result for healthy banks. When depositors were lined up out the door yelling for their money, banks that were basically sound could borrow money from the central bank. Well, okay, but just consider the name central bank. Throughout American history, both of those words, central and bank, have been deeply unpopular. The thought of a bunch of rich bankers in New York controlling a powerful central bank did not inspire confidence. As it wouldn't today. Still doesn't. Right? I mean, even more, you had even more back then. But then, of course, as Mother Goose said, you didn't have, you know, the majority of the population wasn't really up to speed in the education department. And that's all by design. I mean, as you and I did a show a while back on Bitcoin and Zero, how many years did they withheld the math when it came to the zero? It was thousands of years, right? Like craziness, crazy amount of time that they hold back information from folks. So it's not surprising that people weren't super educated back then. So, I mean, I guess they could have, it would have been easier to. Still not now either. Yeah. I think it's all relative. Right? Yeah. And then, I mean, we're educated now, but we're indoctrinated to what they want us to believe instead of really. Even though all of this stuff is out in the open, unless you make an effort to give it some of your attention, you don't really realize it. And, you know, to be honest, for a lot of people, it's probably easier not to know, right? Because you just go about your life and it's no big whoop and, you know, whatevs. And it's all fine and good until it really comes into your backyard and, you know, people you see are losing everything and have no rights and freedom left. So that's just my two cents. It's like being in – watching The Matrix or being in The Matrix. And I can't remember the character's part, but he worked one of the controls and he basically sold out the team, right, Morpheus and Neo. So because he wanted to be able to taste a juicy steak, that's really what he wanted. He didn't want to have that much that they were having in their hovercraft or whatever they were – whatever the name of their ship was. But it was like, yeah, I want to taste a steak, man. That's what I want in my memory. Okay, just brainwash me. You said steak and I want one right now so bad. I could go for a juicy steak right now with blue cheese crumbles on top. Oh, yeah, that's really good. I went to Chrissy's house one day and she made me the best steak ever. And I'm going to have to try it. I put butter on it too, didn't I? Oh, my gosh. Yes, you most certainly did, and it was delicious. Best steak I've had. I love butter. I love butter too. Okay. All right. And so back to the NPR article. So Phil Eldridge, he realized that he needed bankers to help draw up the plan for a central bank. So he came up with a plan to gather in secret. So he told a handful of New York bankers, gangsters, I mean bankers, to go on a given night one by one to a train station in New Jersey. There they would find a private rail car hitched to the back of a southbound train to conceal their identities. Eldridge told the bankers to come dressed as duck hunters and to address each other only by first name. The train headed south and the bankers got off in Georgia. They spent the next week holed up in a private club at a place called Jekyll Island. Apparently the name didn't sound as sketchy then as it does today. That's funny. At Jekyll Island, Eldridge and the bankers came up with a plan. They knew many Americans thought a central bank would become too powerful, too influential in the economy. So they came up with a classic American workaround. They decided the U.S. should create lots of little central banks scattered all over the country. The plan they came up with still had a long way to go. It got shot down the first time in Congress because they were kind of pretending like they were stopping it. That's me. The plan for a central bank was debated, changed significantly, renamed. But the basic idea held up. And on December 23, 1913, President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law. Creating the Fed did not solve the nation's economic problems. In fact, a few decades after the Fed was created, its policies made the Great Depression worse. And the Fed has changed significantly over the course of a century. But even after all those changes, there are still a dozen Federal Reserve banks scattered around the country like Dallas, Richmond, and, of course, New York. And San Francisco. Yeah. So they're all over. They're all over the place. Did they say Kansas? Yes, they're in Kansas as well. I think that's where the Jackson Hole. Wyoming, yeah. Yeah, but the Kansas City Fed meets at Jackson Hole. But, yeah, so it's one of those things where this was kind of, it happened, the wool was pulled over a bunch of people's eyes or possibly just people, you know, like they are today, just busy, no one giving it any attention whatsoever. And then you've got all the drama and you've got the pretending. We're fixing this. They're debating back and forth. And you pick the winner. Like you pick, not the winner, you pick the person that you're going to back, right? You're going to, these politicians. I mean, my mom voted for people because they were cute, right? I mean, there's people that just, people that aren't into being given this any attention or whatever. He's so nice. You know, oh, he's like, he seems like a nice guy. He's so nice. Yeah. But, I mean, he's a mass murderer, but, you know, child, you know, pedophile and that kind of thing. Oh, gosh. Don't even get us started on that. So Mother Goose is laying more wisdom out here and she says, it doesn't matter if we believe this. They believe it and act accordingly. You need to start making some memes or maybe you do, Mother Goose, making some meme one-liners from Mother Goose and have your little avatar watermark on them, you know, or like have like a mic drop, bink, make your statement. It could be like a Helen Henning. You ever do the Helen Henning post? Uh-uh. Oh, she's just, oh, go check out Helen Henning. Mother Goose could give her competition. Yes, easily. Helen Henning, she's a trip. You'll find her on X. Oh, I got, we got a request. Let's see. Okay. Mother Goose is going to speak. I just approved. Oh, right on. I'm so glad I saw it, too. I can't wait. Right on. Speak up, speaker. Come on. Well, I approved her, but she's still showing that. I'm hearing something. Yes, she's on here as a speaker. There we go. You might have to. She's back as a listener again. I'm showing, I'm showing. Sometimes it's tricky with people's mics if you don't give it, give access to your mic. That doesn't, well, I'll keep my eye open for her to re-request as a speaker. So, you think we should move on? You pulled up, you brought a bunch of debt clock factoids. And so, the whole point of this episode, Beyond the Brink, is because they are posting this, the usdebtclock.org has been posting all these little factoids. And so, that was the one that we just went over with Woodrow Wilson. But where did this come from, Christy? Did you want to share what you know on that? Start going over some of your factoids? Sure. So, the debtclock.org website is owned and operated privately by a gentleman named Ed Hall and his sons. And I think you alluded to that earlier, that he is an accountant or was an accountant. I believe he is. The site was created in 1989, and he was concerned about the rising national debt in the 1980s. So, I see that that sentence was rewritten twice. He created the site as a labor of love to bring attention to the issue of the national debt. It remained a private site run by Hall and his sons rather than having any governmental funding or organizational affiliation. Isn't that interesting that it is still that way to this day? Yeah. Its goal is to raise awareness of the already existing and still growing federal debt and to educate the public on government spending. They clearly have a viewpoint of their own and an agenda to highlight federal debt and spending they consider to be problematic. So, they feel it's problematic. Others may not feel it's problematic. I mean, I think we're all in the camp that it is problematic. Yeah. The context provided around the raw data generally highlights the risk and negatives of high debt, but the raw data itself is factual. Even the context and messaging around it contains a perspective. And this reflects the creator's fiscally conservative ideology, but they don't falsify the data at all. Kind of cool. You know, when you look at something like that, especially when there are memes popping up on it and everything, you think, well, you know, are they just kind of really messing around with it? But they have integrity in their reporting, so they're having a little fun with it too. Yeah. But the data is solid. It's factual. The data comes from official government sources like the U.S. Treasury and the Congressional Budget Office. And there's some legitimate debates around about how to interpret this data. But the raw numbers, like I said, are factual. So, that's kind of cool. So, all the figures on the national debt, budget deficits, interest costs, they come directly from data published by the U.S. Treasury. And the site links to these sources and updates frequently as new official data is published. So, there's nothing to hide on the debt clock. No. So, you can look at it and see that it's facts, but you have to draw your own interpretations from it, at least that's what I'm reading. So, some critics have accused the site of presenting data in a biased or misleading way to further a political agenda. I'm not so sure about that. I think I'm in this camp where it says others say it simply presents facts and leaves interpretation to readers. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So, some economists and policy analysts have argued the site cherry picks or selectively presents data in a way that overemphasizes debt risks. Yeah. I don't know about you, Melissa, but how much have we read from economists, not the Keynesian type, but the ones, you know, that are more along the Austrian economics mindset, you know, free markets, you know, not credit markets, okay, or a credit-driven economy. It seems as though the people that lean along that way agree with the perspectives that the debt clock puts out. Now, reasonable people could disagree on the framing of how they frame things, but the facts are good. Well, you know, when they are putting those points out there, you know, even if it is kind of where they're saying it's leaning one way or they're cherry-picking numbers or whatever, if information is presented to you that provokes you to give it some of your attention and it makes you look up something to prove or disprove, it's done its job. It's doing its job. It's very important that, you know, these things happen where you're looking into something, you read a statement, and you're like, oh, this is a bunch of BS or whatever, you know. That is their goal, is to educate people. And what better is to educate than to engage those that you're educating and encourage them to think for themselves and look up this information for themselves. And so these little clues are fun and educational, in my opinion. I see Mother Goose is back up as a speaker. There you go, yeah. Good. Yeah, let's bring her on. I did step up. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes, we can. Nice to meet everybody. Hey there. Welcome, Mother Goose. I love the name. Well, thank you. The Great Awakening is my favorite story. Mine, too. Mine, too. You said I should be making memes and stuff. I've been podcasting for really quite a number of years and about a lot of these different things. And I'm really glad to see you guys come to the table and start new discussions. Oh, thank you. What's the name of your podcast? Where can people find your podcast at? Well, I lost my channel not too long ago. I'm rebuilding. I'm all over the place, but I'm about to get organized and start putting it out. But Our Mother Goose on YouTube and I have Odyssey and Rumble and all kinds of channels. We had years of work taken away when they started restricting some of the channels. Sometimes they would just take down one video or another. But sometimes they would take your whole channel if you got too much over the target. So we're kind of letting go and hoping that this Great Awakening is really happening this month. And I think it might be. I was really encouraged by Trump's declaration that this was going to be a November to remember. I hear it. Supposedly the biggest event in our history. I don't know about you, but there's been some really funky energy. What I was saying, Mother Goose, is that it just seems like there's some really funky energy with people. And I just feel it all over the place. It just may be the November to remember as you're talking about. It's going to be an interesting month. I'm excited for it. It really is. And you know, most of the people that I find are really having a hard time now do not have a center with a source, with Creator. Whatever name they might give Creator, they're not connected. And can you even imagine what this world would look like to somebody who's not connected in spirit and who has not been studying and listening and learning all the things that we've been learning in these recent years? I mean, it's always been around. We're simply learning about. Yes. It's surprising how far back it goes. You know, what's encouraging, Mother Goose, is that there's so many folks now that are coming on board that it's incredibly fun. And I mean, I followed the Q boards and things like that several years ago. And it's just fun to run into people and you might say something and you get the nod and the wink of the eye and you know it's the unspoken. Because, you know, you just know that, you know, it's the if you know, you know type thing. But I'm just really encouraged by the amount of people that are coming on board and starting to ask questions. And it's really important that they have a network of folks to go to that are pointing them towards information that's legitimate. Right. That they can look up for themselves and get them involved. And I think early on when I came into the space, there was a lot of quote unquote influencers who they were pretty much wanting to replace the media with themselves as the keeper of the information. Right. And that's not the point of this exercise that we're going through. You know, some of them got off onto little platforms like MeWe and I can't think what the other one was. WeGo. They turned into bullies. You know, you go in and you start to try to start a conversation in one of their groups and the group has already decided what they think. And you better not think outside that box or you'll be, you know, ostracized. And it was, you know, I'm thinking these are the people who are supposed to be, you know, coming forward and changing the world. But maybe it's a lot like Alex Jones. You know, we all know he's cuckoo. But boy, most of us got our first pills from Alex Jones. Yeah. Well, I think everything happened the way it was supposed to. But it's very exciting. It's very exciting. And I want you to keep us updated on your your show. And however, we can help you get your get your message out there. Get your show out there. Let us know. We'll repost it for you. You know, we thank you so much for stopping. Well, you know, I'm looking to put together some roundtable discussions. I use Zoom. Okay. Yeah. And I'm looking to put together some roundtable discussions on Zoom on some of these subjects that, you know, would bring in a lot of the questions that the public might have. You know, because I think we're in a we've put ourselves in a position of at least I am hoping to bring the real truth to the table when we finally know what the hell that is. You know, I mean, we've been serving truth or what we call truth. And there has been a lot of truth. But even Q said disinformation is necessary. And it is. Yeah. That's why I've kind of focused my attention more on the financial the financial goings on. Because as we're talking about this debt clock and I think that the Q a lot of the Q drops did have a lot to do with the financial system. They were clues regarding, you know, their multiple meetings exist in that sort of thing. But and then as we just said earlier, with history repeating itself or rhyming with creating these, you know, controversies or like the pandemic and crises and then being able to come in and do it. And I think that they were intentionally or intending on, I think, cornering the market on the blockchain and the CBDCs and all those things that kind of corral us in. And they didn't bank on the people waking up as we have and us actually doing what we should do, which is lifting our brothers and sisters up and trying to help them come along. Because an educated public is not as easily manipulated as that earlier, you know, 10 percent of the folks were even educated. So that's what makes this exciting. They can count bales of hay and pounds of flour in the barn. Right. They can sign their name. Yeah. They could, you know, they could do the rudimentary, what they call functional literacy. And that was all that was afforded to anybody who wasn't, you know, in the upper class. Well, we could go down this rabbit hole for a while. We should get back to that. We have a new one. We have a new deck right this minute. And it's for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principality, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world. And against spiritual weakness in high places. And this is the seventh sealed meme that they put up on the deck clock. You see the seal there in the middle of it? Yeah. So all the Sundays. I'm going to share my screen again. All the Tuesdays and Thursdays were the cartoons lessons. So wait a minute. Hold on a second. I'm sharing my screen. Can you see that, Christy? Yes. Okay. All right. So go ahead and tell us what you know about that because you're noticing some things that I didn't notice. And you're saying the cartoons and the repeat what you said. Yeah. So there's a new deck clock presentation, Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays. And, you know, I haven't nailed this down 100%, but I think Tuesdays is our forefathers. Thursdays is kind of cartoon lessons. And Sunday has been spiritual all the way. All the time. All the time. The Sunday one. Interesting. And it comes out at 3 p.m. Sunday Pacific, which is where Christy and I sit. Yeah. And it's up for six hours. Now, something else you might want to look at at the top of the deck clock and over to the right of the underlined URL there is a little button that says time machine. Oh, yes. Do you see that? Yeah. So we have only had U.S. Treasury dollars back on the U.S. In fact, they may never have been on the deck clock, but we've only had U.S. Treasury dollars back in our world for a very, very short period of time. And you can pop back through the deck clock and see the major financial changes as they go on, as they went on. And a lot of those things you can hover over them and they'll bring up information, cards that are just fascinating some of them. Yeah. They really are. They really are. Well, and what did you say, Christy, this deck clock was created in 1980 something? 1980. Yeah. 89. 89. And it was just the one thing. I actually remember it. I'm 73 years old and I remember when that deck clock went up and all it was was a deck clock hanging on a building in Manhattan. Wow. That's so cool that you actually remember that and seeing that when it first happened. Yeah. It was shocking. It was shocking. Because you're old school, you remember this, you saw it with your own eyes. For the folks out there that doubt, that say, oh, this is just some conspiracy theorist person throwing up this deck clock, you know, blah, blah, blah. That's kind of why I pointed out the time machine. Yeah. Yeah. So people can actually go back and see the progression. Before the Babylonian money magic, the derivatives and all of that crazy crap, we were a sovereign nation, you know, and it obviously doesn't go back that far, but it keeps a lot of records. And, you know, along the way, at one point we had silver money and gold money, and then we went down to, you know, 90% silver, and then we went down to 40% silver in our coins. And it really follows that. You can follow that whole thing right there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's very cool. For those of you who haven't checked it out, usdeckclock.org is where you want to go and just have fun with it. Kind of click around, start looking at the numbers. And, you know, you might not know exactly what you're looking at. It's very overwhelming to see all these numbers moving around. But just take a little piece by piece and notice which numbers are going up, notice which numbers are going down, and then speculate. Why do you think that is? What do you think it could mean? And that's what I've been doing. And then, of course, these little notes that have been popping up, you know, Christy and I have been looking into them to see, you know, to see what they mean and, you know, educating ourselves a little bit more on why we're in the pickle that we're in right now. Did you have more, Christy, that you from? I'm going back and looking at this on Santa Surfing. And I believe this post was on Tuesday. Tuesday or Thursday. That's right. And it was the meme day, right? And it also had an image of the United States postage stamp at the time. It had Woodward Wilson on it. And then as I'm looking farther down, it has a little factoid here about Benjamin Franklin founded the inaugural post office, which served as a dual purpose as a banking institution. Stamps and money orders acquired at the post office held an equivalent value to currency being recognized as such. Additionally, Franklin introduced the Fugueo cent or Fugueo cent marking the inception of the first circulated coin. Now, this takes me back a little bit to some other movements that we've looked into, whereas you have the United States post office and then you have the postal service. Yeah. Okay. It's going out of the weeds a little bit, but it's could it possibly be. I don't know if it's coincidental. I just don't believe in coincidences that this has to be somewhat related. But it's it's an another example of two systems of government, if you will. Yeah. Okay. You have the post office that functions like a bank, which way back when the bank post office used to be near a courthouse. And so forth, they usually ran together, right? That's not the case anymore. But you have the United States Postal Service, but we still have a post office operation. If you look at our court systems, you have those that operate in a maritime system. Those would be your fee generated courts like traffic court, administrative law courts like family civil disputes, that type of thing. And here we have two systems of government that that are literally working. And I think it just kind of strikes me that the Federal Reserve System is just I don't know. Maybe it helped light a fire under the rapid expansion of a two tier government system. I don't know. Does that make sense? I think. Or is that just some weird crap coming out of my head? I mean, I think I see. I think all of this is good. Even even if we're not exactly right in what we're in, what we're speculating or whether we're asking questions, you know, and hopefully if there's any of any folks out there that have opinions or they know something for it to be a fact or whatever, you know, join us. Let us know, you know, put that put comments down below and put a comment on the YouTube or reach out to us and let us know. Or if you want to stop by the show and become, you know, be a guest on the show and educate us, you know, let us know. But I think it's really healthy for us to get together and not be afraid to ask these questions and not be afraid to put our thoughts out there, what we think this all means, because there's some really heavy shit going on right now. And we need to figure this out. We need to at least, you know, make an effort to to ask these questions and and ask what what it could possibly mean. And then you bounce that idea off the next person and they may have a little bit different perspective. But in the end, you come, you know, you can usually come to a consensus on what on what something means. And I think that is that's something that the Q movement, the Q drops, they they showed that in real time. And that exercise where, you know, they put the the clue out there and then there was the the breadmakers, you know, they're making it and they're putting all their different theories out there. And then there's the consensus that come together. They're doing it the same way with X now with the community notes. Right. They're getting people's opinions on on different things, whether it's factual or not factual. So it's getting more people involved in asking questions. And, you know, you might have come up with something or come come across something that I haven't seen. And then you throw that my way and it might change my perspective. Right. And so if we just stay in our own little bubbles and we don't look outside our box, then we can't really fully grow. So I I'm excited about this. I want to welcome Fintech for stopping by. Thank you for joining us. We're talking. We're talking about the the death clock and the little clues that they're throwing out there that are kind of inspiring folks to look into things a little deeper and start asking some questions. But yeah, what what else? Mother Goose says an interesting dig would be how Trump and Mnuchin brought the Fed back under the Treasury. Oh, yeah, that would definitely. There's so many things. And she also said Socratic questioning, which I mean, it's. It really is a helpful way to learn and remember how we were going back and forth. We contacted each other and said, did you notice? Did you see what Mnuchin and Trump just did? You caught you caught the significance of that, right? That was remember when all that happened? Oh, that was some fun times. You know, we were waiting for things to happen and it didn't happen. What I love. Yeah. What I love is that there that there are so many people that are actually giving this their attention. And so you have somebody to call and say, oh, my gosh, do you believe that? You know, like, what do you think this means? What do you think that means? And I mean, that's part of the reason for this show is there's lots of shows out there that are, you know, the expert niches where there are niches where there, you know, they go on and it's all technical and people. We want to learn about that kind of stuff. And then there's the ones where they're fighting and debating and, you know, all this kind of stuff. We're just trying to get information out there and ask questions and and kind of get you guys involved in it as well. And grow this community and get people more comfortable with asking questions and, you know, coming on a spaces or coming into a YouTube and starting to poke your head out there a little bit. That's what I believe. That's my goal. If I can do it, anyone can do it. So, Melissa, if I might add, when we first started this tonight, we were working off of a post that Santa, Santa, Santa surfing put up on. What is it? The 9th of November? It's about the debt clock. But he he put in a couple of statements. First of the reworded quote by Woodrow Wilson. And then we talked about the Federal Reserve System and how the value dropped to three cents. The value of the dollar dropped to three cents in just one hundred and ten years. Three cents. Three cents. Not for every dollar. So think about how much money you make per hour if you're a working person and how much that's actually getting you in goods and services. So then let's look at the price of gold. And I don't know if you look at this 200 year chart. But of course, and as it said here in the post in 1913, the ounce of gold was about twenty dollars an ounce. But if you go back and look at a number of years before that. Going all the way, it was like it hadn't changed. There was sometimes the change there. It went up to thirty five bucks, but most of the time it was twenty dollars and sixty seven cents an ounce going all the way back. To 1878, 79, that it was just staying at that one. I pulled it up. I'm sure it was. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. How stable, how stable it was. Yes. Pretty much very stable. And here we are at twenty twenty three. We're right around twenty thousand two thousand dollars an ounce. Can you imagine how well people would be doing if we just stayed on the gold standard? How many families would be farther ahead? Maybe we wouldn't have the homeless problems that we're having. I think a lot of those problems are because of substance abuse. But I also believe a lot of the problems before this really got out of hand with the substance abuse is that people just couldn't afford to like work in the Bay Area and Silicon Valley, for instance. They were not in those high tech like programming jobs, software engineers or anything like that. They were more or less the support staff. And they had to drive in a couple of hours to commute time just to be able to afford a home to live in. But some people weren't even able to do that. They would they were living in their cars to be able to get their, you know, fifty thousand dollar a year job. And they were working as admins and so forth. And that was pretty good money. Right. Pretty good money if you didn't live near those businesses. But if you lived, you know, 100 miles away, you can afford to live there with your fifty thousand dollars a year income. And that's just not the case right now. I mean, it's just such a complex problem. But, yeah, it really changed. I mean, it's because the value of the dollar. I mean that. When your dollar is only worth three cents a dollar. You don't have to, you know, have a degree in rocket science to figure out that this is the problem with the with the currency. Yeah. The value of the currency. It's not money. It's a trust system. I have hope. I do, too. I have hope for the future. And I hope that I'm right. I hope that I'm right, that we are working out some of this madness and that we are going to go into a more level playing field and get our get our money backed by something for real. And instead of this funny debt based money where, you know, you know, as we said, it's a it's a handful of folks that are controlling everything. And they're playing little games and testing little things out. And the bigger the bigger they became, the the greater influence they had over everything. You know, and it's the illusion of competition when it comes to two businesses. And that when you're owning the same people are kind of owning everything, but pretending that they don't basically. So it's just a big fat mess in that respect. But definitely have hope that things are being uncovered. And like Mother Goose said, I mean, they say, you know. November is going to be quite a month. And I just want people to know or realize also that, you know, things aren't things didn't happen overnight. They're not going to be fixed overnight either. The the groundwork, the foundation is being laid, in my opinion, the correction to all of these things. If if the if the problems would have been addressed in a fashion such as pulling a peg out of underneath a Jenga pile to come tumbling down, it would have had catastrophic effect on the world, really, because of how everything is so tied. And so I think things have to be handled very delicately. I think that they are. And I can only pray that that those that are in charge of this, quote, unquote, operation are the good guys and not the bad guys. Because but all all all I see is good happening. And and like I said, the more that we educate ourselves, the better off we are from protecting ourselves against. Well. The great I personally believe good always comes out ahead. Good always wins. It's going to get a little mucky and and people are going to get hurt and disillusioned. But in the end, good wins. Yes, I agree. I agree. It should win. So I just want to give a shout out to Rosemary for having us up on TV with with on YouTube streaming on Roku. Thank you so much. Yeah. She said she said we are delayed. I know that we are delayed on on YouTube. I think it's because I chose the setting. I'm just learning all this technology, guys. But I chose the setting so that it wouldn't be so be higher quality, I guess, streaming. So there's that delay factor there. But I'm not I'm not exactly sure if I did the right thing. Maybe next time I'll try to make it so it's the same and see if the video quality is any worse, better, indifferent type thing. But I don't know. What else do we got? Does anyone else have anything they want to input? Did you have anything else you want to touch on? Well, I did. And it went poof out of my head. So it's going to come back. I am. I had this. I was trying to see if this was related to what was in Santa surfing, because somehow I've got the Jeffrey Epstein flight logs up as well. And I'm going, was this in the post somewhere? This is a very interesting. Well, I mean, if you if you think about it, though, when it comes to the banking and you know, what did Jeffrey Epstein do? They said, you know, he was kind of like the middleman between the the rich, the rich, rich. You can only get have billions of dollars or something to even deal with him. Right. He kind of controlled their money for them and whatever. And so, you know, you had. But he was trained. He was not a trained financial person, though. This is what we've learned about Jeffrey Epstein. He was a fraud. I don't even know about finance to handle billions. I mean, why would you? No, not at all. Yeah. I don't know. What makes that cover up kind of interesting looking at this thing about who's on there? There's one hundred and sixteen pages to go through. Holy smoke. And because it's in a CSV log. Well, in this particular file, it would take some time. You know, I was thinking about downloading it and seeing if I can sort it and see just who's on there. Things we come up with. Yeah. But I don't think I'd be able to do it during this broadcast because it's in PDF. Let me see if it will let me know it's in a PDF. That's why it's doing this. I'll have to find another source with that. Yeah, that would be another beyond the brink episode. Yes. Or that'd be definitely definitely something beyond the brink that would push you to your limit and drive you to the brink of change. You know, I know this is taking us off of our subject tonight, but I just flashed on Brian O'Shea as well. Have you seen him being out there? He wrote a substack the other day and he was I never watched Dr. Drew's podcast, but for some reason it got on my radar and there was Brian O'Shea. And yes, he was talking about his his concern about what's going on with these groups and that there is an app that they operate. These provocateurs. OK, kind of like what happened with BLM and Antifa. And what he's discovered is that they operate off of an app. Right. And. Well, in advance, they they can go to any city, any town in any country and have their propaganda material set up in a print shop ready to be picked up. At any given time, they can even have DoorDash deliver food to their provocateurs in any given city or town, wherever these services are available. All they have to do is access their app. And what he was saying, he goes, it's not so much that the app is the problem. It's that these these organizations are using this technology. So what he was suggesting is that that technology is available to us to to organize ourselves. Yeah. Yeah. Well, not to be provocateurs, but to use these services in a way that. You know, non-provocative provocative type of people would use that we should use them. It's not that the service is bad. Well, it's I mean, it's just if you've ever been on discord, you have a private discord. You can organize things, you know, you can make lists and communicate with each other on the fly. I think I don't use it, but some people use WhatsApp. You know, I don't use that either. Where things happen on WhatsApp. There's all kinds of there are all kinds of of apps that we can communicate using. And you're right. I mean, he's right. The technology has evolved so much and it makes it really easy to to organize something. And there is no reason why we can't organize, you know, whether it's just just us getting together and sharing ideas like we're trying to do here. Is it something like people use meetups also? Right. To have. Yeah, that's a way to do it. Sure. But that's more an in-person thing. These apps allow the communication to happen and kind of gives like the go signal. You know, if you're going to have, you know, like what happened with the summer of love. Yeah, but I mean, if you use if you use discord and you have people in your private discord that only the people that are in there and they send out, you know, at everyone and then go time, boom, you've communicated. I guess it could. Sure. Very easily. Right. So I don't think I don't know which app he's talking about, but, you know, that's not surprising at all. Exactly. And that was that was the essence of the story is that these people are very organized, beyond organized. And it's easier for them to to be in any given city in any given time and have an organization to people do their thing. Some of them travel to other cities as well. He's obviously concerned, as he has been on some of his other posts that he's that that we've followed about that. So I wonder if he would. I think he would. I mean, we should ask him. He seems like. Who was it? Dr. Drew's wife said, I can't believe how soft spoken he is. He's just so matter of fact and soft spoken and calm and it's just like and this is some badass warrior, right? He just posted his wife's birthday. That's the post I saw today. And I'm like, oh, what a sweetheart. Yeah. You know, so. So the other news I heard and I don't know, maybe some of the wisdom here in this in this space might be able to chime in. But what I had also heard is that hotel rooms are being booked and filled by military people all over the country, all over the country. And Trump is not having any more rallies. They're not scheduled for the rest of the year. Now, since I know that information, I've not had a chance to look into this because I don't recall him, Trump, being stopped because of holidays from his rallies. He if I recall, he did one like before or after Thanksgiving, before or after Christmas. It didn't matter. Why is he not doing rallies? And again, I'll have to look to see if he is off the calendar for the rest of the year. It might lend to the November surprise, you know, the November to remember thing. It's just very interesting. But what got my hackles up was the military personnel staying in hotels around the country. Now, that's that's they're not National Guard. It's just said military personnel. So is this the time? Is this go time? Is this is this when they're going to round up all of the bad hombres and get them out of here? I don't know. Maybe. I mean, you just you hear so many so many different series of things that are going on. It wouldn't surprise me if if that is happening and it might just be a phase. So, you know, I think sometimes people think one big huge thing is going to happen and then, you know, everything is going to be different. And I think it's going to I think it's been happening in phases over time. There's been this part, you know, this tackle that tackled. And so perhaps there is going to be something kind of kind of big going down. What did I read? Somebody there was a post on on X saying, you know, has anybody noticed that Trump still has speculation about the presidential type security detail? Like, yeah, I mean, most people just don't even they don't either. They can't stand them so much that they won't acknowledge anything about him whatsoever. If it if it leads to any suspicion that he still has any kind of significance, they don't pay attention. Or then there's just the others that are just like it's not even on their radar and the and the mainstream media is not talking about it. So I'm like, what did Ryan say? But the thing of it is. He's entitled to that that detail and being that he is he is an assassination risk. Whether he's got presidential detail or not, it the Secret Service is responsible for his safety. So they may be just evaluating the risk. I happen to personally believe he has a presidential detail. But let's let's say if that wasn't. Yeah. Maybe George Bush. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Like a George W. Bush. I mean, when he would have a lot of attention going his way, he had a pretty big detail. And he was out of office. Well, you know, the other thing is what I said in my response to that is that, I mean, he has had his own security detail for a very long time that he paid for himself and that with people that he trusts. Right. He I don't even think when he is in the office that he just automatically trusted their Secret Service people. I don't think so. So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing. Yeah. I'm not even going to mention. I just I. He's a very interesting character, and I'm glad that he's been putting forth the effort that he has over these many years, even more years than people even realize that he's been working in the background on some things. And I know for some people, that's a sensitive subject and they, you know, they can't stand them. But I just always try to say to people is don't let your your hate or animosity or frustration with some specific person or subject to blind you from seeing other things. And I think that that I mean, because that's the objective, right, to divide people and to create these characters where, you know, the left versus right and black versus white, this religion versus that religion, whatever. And to just get people to fight, fight, fight always. And if we're if we're fighting, we're not giving attention to the things that are really important and seeing things that are right in front of our face. And I think that's very successful. And I find it ironic with him in particular, that he was beloved by so many people prior to becoming the president. And it's funny because I didn't like the guy. I liked him when I was younger. I'd see him sometimes on Oprah or whatever, you know, and then I'd read the tabloids and I'd just be like, whatever, this dude's ugly. Like, why is he getting all these girls? You know, like, who cares who he's married to or dating? That was kind of my attitude back then. And then when he started being on The Apprentice and stuff, all my friends that were, you know, I would say liberal friends or liberal friends, they all loved him, thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. And, oh, gosh, you don't watch The Apprentice, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, no, I just, it's not my thing, you know. And, man, as soon as he was president and I started, like, I would see them talking on mainstream media. They would say, you know, he said this and he said that. And I'd be like, oh, is that real? Like, did he really say that? And I'm somebody that wants to see something with my own eyes. And that was the whole reason I even went to Twitter in the first place was because I wanted to see what Trump was saying. And then I wanted to see him say mean things. Well, yeah. I mean, honestly, I wasn't even a fan of the dude at all. And I started reading, like, or listening to his actual speeches on whatever things that they would take out of context that he said. And I would listen to the whole thing, you know, objectively. And I'd go, well, they just flat out freaking lied, like, with what he said. Like, why are they doing that? You know, and he shows that I watched and people that I liked. And I'm just like, I started looking at him differently and like, well, what the hell is going on here? And the more that I listened to him and researched him, like, I'm a researcher. And I started connecting dots. And I'm like, man, I've never seen anything. And then I just kept saying for like two years straight, I've never seen anything like this in my life. I've never seen anything like this in my life, the way that they've gone after him. And then that's what kind of pushed me to think maybe there's more to meet the eye. And so all I'm trying to say to those of you who do not like that man, don't focus on that. Don't let it blind you to other things. So that's just my opinion. So I just put up this in the chat. And so you can see this, Melissa, but it's a post by Tao Mora on November the 9th. And he writes, hmm, just a thought using double meaning Woodrow Wilson and three cents in 2023. If you underline the W in Woodrow, the W in Wilson, and three cents, three, 2023. So WW3 in 2023. Oh, you get it now, huh? You get it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they sure want that, don't they? How perceptive. Yeah. Well, I mean, we could do a whole show. We could do 100 shows on the meanings and all the clues that have been laid out there. And really, I think it's pretty darn fascinating for those that are interested. So if you guys are interested in hearing something more along those lines, let us know and we'll do it. Or if you have a suggestion for a topic that you'd like us to cover, or if you would be interested in being a guest on the show, let us know. Reach out to us. Yeah. I mean, we really appreciate everybody that is supporting us. Boomer, Rosemary, Toasty, thank you so much, buddy, for coming. I appreciate you. Mother Goose, we appreciate you so much. My friend Lola came and my friend Kombucha stopped by. And it really means a lot to me that you guys are coming and supporting this and trying to help us out. And engaging in conversation with us. And so we just love it. We love you guys. What else? You got anything else, Christy? I don't have anything else. I could just keep pulling things out of my head, but they're not related to what we were talking about tonight. I know. I said Melissa could squirrel. I could squirrel like so easily. I could squirrel with you, girl. What I was going to try to do is when I get to the stop stream and, you know, all this kind of stuff, I was going to try to do the outro, share the outro, and then do the stop stream and stop this and stop that. So if you want me to give it a try, I can try to do it. Well, that would mean that we're going to say goodbye and goodnight for the evening. And is that what you're saying, my friend? That's what I think I'm saying. Unless you have anything that you wanted to talk about further. I really don't. I mean, it was a short post tonight. Yeah. Yep. And you did a great job on the Woodrow Wilson content in the Federal Reserve. That was very good. Thank you for doing that. Yeah, thank you. I tried to make it a little bit entertaining instead of just sitting here reading it, but I really thought it was a good article. And I'm going to post those links in the bottom description, and I'll post it in the thread for the Twitter spaces or X spaces so that folks can look them up themselves so they'll know exactly what we were covering. So I'm going to share my screen now, and I'm going to play the outro, and everything's going to go smoothly. We hope to see you guys back again. And with that, we hope you have a good evening, and we will see you all soon. Thank you, guys.