TeamNade Ep13

The speaker discusses their week, including a frustrating experience with their laptop not being fixed. They also talk about playing against highly skilled players in Call of Duty and the excitement of watching professional matches. The speaker then briefly mentions some match results in the Call of Duty league. What's going on everybody and welcome back to the Team Nade podcast, episode 13, joined by the one and only Brian Nade. How's it going Nades? I'm good man, what you saying? Not a lot, we're chilling, relaxing, all cool. How was your week? Yeah, it was alright, I can't really remember what happened, but it was pretty good. What do you mean you don't remember? I don't think I really did anything apart from working on that, you know what I mean? It went out like Friday night and stuff didn't it? Yeah, it went out like Friday, but Friday night that was quite good. Rememberable night out I see. Yeah, it was good man, Friday night was decent. Saturday, halo. Sunday, halo, Monday, spent 30 minutes on the phone, someone trying to fix my laptop, only for them to tell me that they couldn't do it. And they still haven't fixed it? Nope. I don't even know when it's getting fixed man, another person in my same team that I'm a part of had the same issue and they like, literally when I phoned them up and I was like, can I give you a reference? They were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and she looked into it and she was like, oh this has been resolved, so why are you phoning? I'm like, with the same laptop as my laptop. And she was like, oh okay, I can fix it, I know exactly what to do. I was like, alright, cool. So she made me change my password, the password that I've only just learned from my laptop. So I have to learn a different one now. And yeah, still isn't working. She was in like, the fucking, it was mad bro, yeah. She like remote controlled my laptop, it was like I was getting hacked, because she had that big like, you know like the typical hacker screen where it's just like, a black screen with white text and a flashing line. The chat command. Yeah man. And it still didn't work apparently. Imagine going into that so confidently like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no worries, it's been resolved, I know exactly what to, shit. They can never fix it man, they can never fix it. It's alright, I'm waiting for them, so like the last time I tried to speak to them, they decided to phone me on a Saturday. Like, so it was like something to do with like, something wasn't working on the computer, like some program that they'd installed or something. I finished for Christmas on the Friday, they then phoned me on the Saturday to be like, yo, can you turn your laptop on? I was just like, bruv, it's Christmas, like go home. Fuck off. What are you doing now? I don't care about Adobe right now. Have a fucking word with yourself mate. Yeah, you need to chill my guy. Fuck that. So yeah, that's like the highlight of the day. Wow. Living the dream of that. It means I can't do any work, so. So that means more handbooks then? Yeah, pretty much. Just dobbed you in it already, with your work. Well, maybe. Nah, never, never in doubt. So it's admissible. Can't be used. Nah, I've got bits and bobs I can be going on with. It just negatively impacts my ability to do 99% of my job role. Yeah, because it's all on your fucking laptop. Yeah, exactly. It's all on that one thing that I don't have access to, so. It's always handy. Yeah, but I mean, it is what it is, man. It'll get it sorted. Gives you more time for VOD review. Yeah. Oh, I don't want to do a VOD review, man. Why not? You don't want to do a VOD review against the boy, the hacker boy, no? I should have a gun and send that. I need to do, I should do a VOD review against that German former pro player that I played today. Mate, like, oh my God. Like, I played this guy before in a sniper's lobby, right? I distinctly remember. As soon as I saw him, like, game one, yeah, pit flag, right? And as soon as I saw him in the lobby, I was like, I remember a game of pit snipers that I played against you. And what you did is not illegal in most countries. Let's just put it that way, right? So I was like, literally, I swear, I was like, this guy needs to die every time he's got his hands on a sniper. Man like Bokazo was in there as well. Apparently he's learned how to play. My guy, my guy. Because he was slamming me into next week, mate. And then this boy got a sniper and he was also slamming. I mean, he was just a sniper was just disgusting. And like the way that like he approached situations. Yeah. Was like, like every time I was in like the one V one with him. Yeah. Like in the clinch, right? Like the fight kind of like occupied so much space, if that makes sense. Okay. Like it was in my, um, the second game was on like forbidden. Yeah. I'm like, you know, the, like the long call leading to the flag. Yes. And there's the, like the box, the boxes on the, like the right hand sides. And then there's like the jump ups on the left. Yeah. Like, so like literally this one V one basically incorporated the whole long call, the boxes, the jump ups, like the gaps in between the mobile, like it was wild. I was literally like, it was just nuts. Like there was just so much like movement around the terrain. You know what I mean? Like, because he just wouldn't stand in five minutes. Yeah. It just keeps continuing moving around. I try to get like a dirty angle chip that damaging damage. You know what I mean? It was, it was quite good. It was quite, um, it was quite like fun to play against. I can't lie. Yeah. Tell you who I played against earlier in the week. Oh, go on. Who's talking Falcons e-sports. Let's go. Four stack and cod rank the Falcons e-sports. I'm not going to lie. Right. When you sent me that, um, you sent me that picture of the lobby. Yeah. I'm like, Hey, like it's cool that you get to play them. Right. Right. You know what I mean? But at the same time, like semi-professional, like professional players, you know what I mean? They get paid to play. Right. Why are they four stacks? I don't, I don't get it. Why are they four stacking that shit? Right. They get paid to play this, to play cod. Like one of the excellent, excellent was first in the world for world for modern warfare two ranked last year. Yeah. And I'm coming up against that fucking Donnie. It's just, it's like the third game into crimson as well. You got to get it. I've never been slammed so much in my life. I generally felt like I'd never played cod before. Like I just picked up for the first time ever. I think cause like the thing is though is like they're playing a different game. Yeah. Oh, there's just, there's there's levels to the game that you don't even know about yet. Yeah. A hundred percent. Just when you think you're like, you're like dominating a certain, like a certain type, like a certain level of players, that's when the next level above you just appears to make sure you remember your fucking place in this game. Yeah. And it's literally just like, you just got like swatted like a fly. Like you're on like the 10 wind street guy. It's embarrassing everyone. You just got into crimson and then it's just like, bang in a bit. There's always a bigger fish. Exactly. That's the thing, man. And there's always a bigger fish. I feel like at that level as well. Like, I mean, well, I'm going to say this, I don't really know what that level is. Yeah. Cause they're like the EU aren't they? No, they're Saudi. Are they all from Saudi? I thought they were all from London. No, there's a, there's a Saudi team. Oh, is it? Oh, sure. Okay. Are they based in Saudi or is the team just Saudi? Um, Oh, I couldn't tell you. I went into an excellent stream and they like, they ended up shouting. They were there in the same room together. Like all of them. Right. I ended up sharing each other. Partially English, partially, um, Arabic. So, fuck knows. I bet call outs in Arabic are wild bro. I bet I'd be like mad entertaining. You know, like when I go to a quadrant listening and they're all speaking in French or like, um, what's that team in the CDL called? Heritage. They're all speaking Spanish. Yeah. I'll go with that shit bro. It's so cool. Like rather than just someone being like, you know what I mean? You go to a phase of listening and you've got fucking screaming, dead, sellium, just providing some sort of like partial tongue. I don't know if you ever get this right when it goes to a listening on a broadcast where you have to kind of like, it always like takes me a few seconds to like work out what it is that they're talking about. Cause they tend to jump in, in like the middle of like trying to break a hill or something like that. Right. But it's like with sellium, it's like a good 20, 30 seconds before I'm like, Oh shit. No, I can't put, I understand what he's saying. I can understand it now. You know what I mean? It's over and you go, Oh, that's what he, Oh, right. Okay. He did just say there's one top blue. I wasn't listening. What a surprise. Right. Well, speaking of the card, we'll get the, the, the college league stuff out of the way. Starting with that three day results recap. Yeah. Welcome to the call of duty results time. Oh shit. Well this is game like match day one as well, isn't it? Yeah. Let's go on. Yeah. This is major two run up week one. Um, so Friday the 16th of February we had the heretics versus ultra and that was heretics nil ultra three. Yeah. I saw scraps tweet. Welcome to the league. He said, welcome to the legal man at Eric boom. Have you seen Eric boom? Mom, but you don't remember like when you weren't just into like a car that was always like fucking unit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The, the, the ice jam here. He's still got it. Oh my. Yeah. That's actually, that's actually, that's actually wild. Are you going to search it now? It's fucking hard. Why are you doing that? And then we had a New York subliners three Ravens two. That was a New York subliner reverse sweep win. It's just brought up an old mom. What do you mean? It's brought up an old mom. I've been an Eric boom. What are you on about? I've just brought up some white Swedish businessmen. It's not as bad as five years old, but it is worse on Lake on the broadcast. It was not good on the broadcast at all. Yeah. But I mean, that don't count, bro. You can't hold back against them. It doesn't count. My guy's just been down Miami beach, bro. You know what I mean? He's been, he's been in the sea, somebody's on the beach a little bit. You know what I mean? You've got to cut him some slack, bro. Cut the hair. No, you can't say that. You can't. Anyway. Yeah, it was a Raven. Ravens were tuning up against the subliners and they bottled it. It's literally what they do all the time. Carolina bottle jobs. You know what it is. We don't need to go there. Moving on to Saturday, uh, Saturday the 17th of February, uh, Boston three Ravens, one phase three heretics, one New York subliners three search. No, no real surprise in any of them. I feel, yeah, I would agree with that. Those are the, um, expected results. I feel from those matchups. Yes, definitely. And then moving on to Sunday, Sunday the 18th, the second we had Legion three LAG one ultra three rocker two and optic three LA T no. Okay. Nice. Sweep them away. Take your new team. Go on. Make another fucking league. Another team change. Go on. Fuck off. This They need to get ghosty from fucking shooters, bro. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, they brought on nasty and crap. And it's not, maybe it's unfair to tell, like, to be like, oh, they're not doing anything just now, but it's because they're just not had the time to play. Yeah. I feel that's the thing, you know, like, you know, it's quite a new team change. Yeah. So, um, I've just, I'm currently on the cod e-sports fandom page and I've just, I mean, I now know what nasty is real name is. What is it? Uh, Byron Plum Ridge. He's got to be from the UK with an NYL. Yeah. He's English, but Byron Plum Ridge definitely educated at Oxford, bro. Yeah. I could with a name like Byron Plum Ridge. He's telling me that man doesn't shop at Waitrose. Yeah, guaranteed. You know what I mean? I know what you mean, but no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not having it. He doesn't look like that. He ain't that guy. You ain't that guy, pal. Well, maybe he is. You can't, you can't say anything about anyone not being that guy, bro. You got slammed by fucking Falcon e-sports. You were getting slammed by Picasso. What'd you want him? Yeah. Because I was the goat, bruv. Next up EU. You reckon? Is that him and him and Finchie, eh? I just can't wait for him to go in the game shot on the main stage and start cussing out his teammates, bruv. In the listeners, just Picasso going, no, you need to play off my damage. Hold ball. Let me slay. Oh yeah. Fucking shout out that guy as well. Whoever that guy was. I can't remember who that guy was. That was a joke, though. No, it was not a joke. It was fucking dog shit. Fucking hold ball, let me slay. And then proceeded to not be able to slay shit. Yeah, over-extended and trying to put the other team in a blender, but like continuously spawning enemies on the teammates who weren't moving and trying to hold us up. Fucking dog shit. I love that. So that's, that's, that's this week's done. Or last week's, I should say. I can quickly run through the upcoming matches for next weekend if you want. We got any, we got any big ones? I feel there's an OpTic phase coming up at some point. That might be in April, though. There's only really one big one I'd say in this, this next match, isn't it? It's on Sunday. Who's that? Well, I'll run through them quickly. So Friday the 23rd, got New York Subliners versus Boston. You've got Rocker versus OpTic and then Heretics versus Legion. Saturday the 24th, you've got Legion versus Ultra. LAG versus OpTic. Heretics versus LAT. And then Sunday, you've got Surge versus Ravens. Rocker versus Boston. And then the biggest match of the weekend, FaZe versus New York Subliners. I don't even know if that'll be, that's the biggest match in terms of teams. Yeah. But I just think that's going to be a sweep. You reckon? Yeah. I'm not too sure about that, like. I just don't think that, like, I mean, I didn't watch any of the Cod this weekend at all. So what I'm saying is entirely based upon what I saw at the Major, right? But like, I just don't think that Subliners are going to be as competitive at the moment as they were last season. No? No. I really don't. I think it's a three-team league at the moment. Three teams being? Ultra, FaZe, OpTic, in that order. Yeah? Yeah. I'm surprised you've even put OpTic in there. Well, like, OpTic have their fair share of issues, but then I'm sure every team does. It's just obviously with OpTic, there's a lot more eyes on it. You know what I mean? There's a lot more people, like, OpTic has a massive fan base. So there'll be a lot more speculation as to, should Dashy be doing this? Is Shotzi the right fit? You know what I mean? All of that bullshit analysis stuff. The opinions and stuff like that. You're going to see a lot more of that with OpTic compared to every other team. But you can't deny they are a good team. You know what I mean? Oh yeah, definitely. The Kenny pick-up was really good for them. Who else have they got now? Oh, Pred. And Pred as well. Pred probably a lot better for them than Kenny, to be honest with you. I think they could have kept Ghosty for Kenny, but obviously Ghosty and Dashy don't get on. Kenny's come in and he's become that IGL. The other thing that I do quite like is that all three members of the old LAT roster placed top three. You know what I mean? Because realistically, I feel Thieves were always that fourth team for me last year. They always had the potential to go... Yeah, literally. But yeah, I just don't think... I think subliners need to figure that shit out. Yeah, it's just something that isn't clicking fully. They always seem like they're close to losing. I'm going to get lost against the Ravens, for fuck's sake. Did you... You know the boy that goes on the flank and just absolutely talks shit about everyone? Oh, I don't know. He's called Ben something, I think he's called. Oh, Ben-ism. You see the clip of him trying to play? Yeah. Like, bro. Like, what? Like, no way. You're telling me my man is, like, someone who offers commentary in this space. But then he's trying to, like, jump out of bounds on Karachi. He's trying to run a play. Around the back of the stairs to top third into the back of the coops. He's trying to run the play, trying to avoid the nades, you know? Yeah, maybe. I mean, if it works, it works. You know what I mean? I mean, it definitely didn't fucking work, though, did it? No, it didn't. Do you see the boy who was like, you're definitely going to be late to mid? Yeah. I think that was Draza. Was it Draza that said that? I think Draza was like, yeah, you're going to be late to mid. I love that. Oh, but that's it for the call. There's nothing much more happening. There is one big thing. Yeah, there's a big thing. Yeah, we'll leave that for the end, you know? Tease it, tease it, keep them involved in the podcast. You know the drill. The Cod people. Shout out to the Cod people, man. Shout out to everybody. Still tune in to listen to us talk shit every week. Oh, yeah, this is very true. Take a look at yourselves, look what you're doing. What the fuck? I can't say that, bro. I have. I just did. Oh, fucking... If you're going to cancel anyone, people, cancel Forbes. What for? I don't know. Exactly. We'll find something to pin on you, bro. Don't worry about that. Been too cracked? Yeah, tell me about it. Did you watch any of the Hello this weekend? Yes, I did. What did you think? I don't know. I'm slightly caught between if it's a bad phase day or a better complexity day or what. Because it's so fine margins between it all. One thing I do know is that SSG have started to find their feet a little bit. Yeah, I understand. They've started to find their feet a lot more. It was interesting, actually. I was listening to a podcast earlier. Giza was interviewing the GOAT, King J. One of the things specifically that they wanted to talk about was... So obviously Penguin, now Deadzone, going to OpTic, a legend going to SSG. King J said something really interesting. He was like, the issue with Deadzone on OpTic is that SSG is a fly around the map at a million miles an hour and kill everything that you see. Whereas OpTic is a let's get to our landmark, let's hold a setup, plays a lot more structured, has a lot more rules, I guess. Maybe, if you want to look at it like that, as to the way they play the game. Whereas Legend is that fly around the map, kill everything that you see at 150 miles an hour. Because that's the sort of team that Quadrant were, the sort of team that Ascend were. You know what I mean? These are the reasons why these teams work so well. So I think obviously Legend, SSG winning the NA Open, it's fantastic. I'd love to see Legend get that opportunity. Legend's also disgusting, genuinely. He's genuinely one of the best in the world at Halo. Which is nice. It's nice to see an EU player going out representing on the big arenas, the big stages. Getting the time, getting the recognition for his work. With the phase thing, obviously the other side of the... Is Legend playing well with SSG? Is Deadzone playing well with OpTic? I think Deadzone's coming into his own a little bit with OpTic. It's always going to take a little bit of time to get used to a new team, new dynamic and stuff. But I think he is sort of picking up. He seems to have been a lot better this week than previously. You know what I mean? Which is also good to see. Because he is also one of the best players in the world. I'll stand by that. With the phase thing, I think... Obviously, the OpTic scrim from earlier in the week, which was one of the most insane things I think I've ever seen. I finished 7-7, OpTic out-fragged them by two. So that's just nutty. That's insane. I think that maybe OpTic just haven't figured out a little bit. Or they've kind of worked out how to shut them down, maybe? Okay. But then how do you explain the complexity of the game then? Rionuub. Yeah? No, genuinely, Rionuub, bro. That guy was playing out of his fucking skin all weekend. Yeah? Yeah, he was just on some sort of next-level bullshit. Have you not seen the clip of him throwing himself and the ball off of the map back blue on Recharge? So he's holding the ball in the drop-off spot back blue, right? Yeah. Jumps off the map, drops the ball, looks up, grapples, pulls himself up back onto the map, and then throws a sticky, hits the boy that's just coming out of the blue pipes in the face. And I think he dies? Either dies or he lives, topsy. And then the boy just obviously blows up. It's just like... Sheesh! When Rionuub is getting nerdy with it... Difficult man to take down. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's that AT-FOV that he plays on, bro. He's so tunnel-visioned into what's going on. He plays on AT-FOV? Yeah, mate. He's a strange individual. AT? What the fuck? Yeah. But then I feel like his reasoning is that... It's a lot better to have good game sense and pre-aim the correct angles at the correct time and stuff like that than it is to run around the map killing everything. You know what I mean? Because Rionuub would do well on OpTic, to be honest with you, with the way that he likes to play super-structured and stuff. Yeah. And obviously, he has a history with Formal. So, you know, a little bit of team chemistry going on there. But I just don't think that he's... I think that Complexity team over-performed. I think FaZe under-performed. I think both of those things can be true at the same time. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's... It's online qualifiers. You know what I mean? I feel like we don't, you know... The pitchforks don't need to come out just yet. See, this is the kind of thing that I mean as well, though, right? You know what I said before, that OpTic has a lot of eyes on them all the time and stuff. It's true with the Halo team as well, because every time, like... You know what I mean? Something doesn't go right, they don't get the placement that they want, it's... Well, it used to be drop APG. You know what I mean? And now it's, APG would have never let that happen. Get rid of Deadzone. Get rid of Lucid. Something's wrong with Lucid. Get rid of Lucid. It's Lucid for me. You know what I mean? It's just like that. It's not Lucid for me. I'm like, oh, fuck me. So, I don't know. Great. Cool. Well, I was like, with the phase, the phase went out, I haven't seen anyone saying fucking drop Snakebite. You know what I mean? No, they won't, no. Get rid of Royal 2. But it's always the same, though. If you look at it, if you watch the LAT streams or any of the streams, if, like, OpTic win, there's hardly anything said. But as soon as OpTic lose, it's flop dick. Et cetera, et cetera. You know what I mean? But if Phase lose or SSG lose... Yeah, like, there's nothing said about it. Nothing's really said. It just comes with that, having that, like... I don't even know if you want to call it, like, pedigree, or, like, expectation. I don't know what it is about OpTic. I don't know if it's because they've got so many fans, if it's because the expectation is that, like, when OpTic turn up, they're going to win. Like, you know what I mean? I don't really know. Maybe it's that sort of, like, notion that OpTic are... Like, all the fans expect OpTic to beat everything and win everything, no matter what happens. Potentially, yeah. And it's quite... Potentially. Maybe they're just... Like, OpTic fans are fickle in the sense that they're easily warmed up by losses. You know what I mean? Or expect so much better and expect to win every single game all the time. It's kind of one of them, though, isn't it? Like, because it's like... I feel like OpTic fans are kind of, like, football supporters in the UK, but on Twitter exclusively. Like, it's like they share the same mindset of, like, this hasn't gone our way, so blow the whole fucking thing up immediately. Like, you know what I mean? Whereas, like, I mean, you're an OpTic fan, innit? Like, you've never just turned around to me and gone, like, oh, that guy's the fucking problem. Get rid of that guy. Like, get him out. Like, no. You know what I mean? We have reasoned discussions about it. The same with, like, obviously, like, you know, your football team that you support. A bad result. You've never turned around and been like, get rid of this guy. You know what I mean? You cannot expect to win every single fucking game. You just can't. It's not... If you were to win every single game, you would never have any competition ever, and it would be never a close game. Unless you're CLG. Yeah. But it's just like, no. No. No, you don't be so fucking easily warmed up by a loss. Like, losses happen. It's part and parcel of playing a game. You're gonna win some. You're gonna lose some. It's just it. It's like... If you look at FaZe CLG just now, they're on a high because they're not losing. But eventually, they will lose. Because it's just... Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, they lost to the Major, didn't they? They got exposed massively at the Major because... Yeah. ...Ultra just had better response. This is what I mean, though. It's like they didn't lose a single series online, went to the Major, didn't lose until the final. Yeah. Winners' finals. Losers' final. Winners' finals, yeah. And lost. And then lost again in the finals. Yeah. So it's like you can't expect to always win. No, exactly. I think that's the thing, isn't it? Did you watch any of the European Halo this week? No, I didn't. Big roster moves in European Halo. Yeah. So Sunrise is... I don't know what's happened to this BH3 eSports team. I'm not going to lie, right? Because Sunrise is now on... well, playing on the team known as Jump Out Gang, right? Jump Out Gang. Yeah. I think it's Kimbo, Milsi, Sunrise and Zovei. Right. It's a good team. They finished third this week, which is class. The other three members of BH3 were operating under the team name The Hazi. Right. And do you know who their fourth player was, bro? No. Oh, is it Leshady? Leshady. Leshady. Leshady. Leshady Rescopes V2 was active on fucking Twitter Friday night. Like, going off. The Discord was popping. Fucking people were talking about throwing games. People were talking about competing and protest of Leshady being involved. Like, for those who don't know Leshady or his work, Leshady was an integral part of the Ascend roster and undefeated for, I think it was 599 days in all competitions. They lost. He got dropped. Then... Well, I mean, he did. Although they agreed to amically and mutually part ways, I think was the phrase. And then he kind of, like, he knocked around on a couple of different rosters. Like, turned up to a couple of LANs. And then he... So he was competing in the LVT 1v1 series and he was due to play against Trippy. And in the meantime, he was competing in the stadium thing. I don't know if you remember that stadium thing. No. It was something to do with Vexed Gaming, I think. It was like a crypto-backed tournament or something. It ran like on a midweek or something like that. It was like a Thursday night or something. But basically, right, he was accused of not being in... So the LVT thing was only open to people playing in the NA region. Yeah. Leshady apparently was competing from Canada. And then there was a rumor that he wasn't. LVT put in a... a rule that said that everyone had to be in NA to compete in the final round. Of which he was a part of. And then he goes in to play this stadium thing and he gets caught with this, like, wild frame-perfect instant re-scope hack. Which there was evidence of him using it in the LVT 1v1 thing as well. Nice. Was that actually proved that he was? No. Well, he never came out and gave a statement either way. Of course he didn't. He never defended himself. He just disappeared and stopped playing. So, yeah. Leshady. Leshady was also never in Canada, as confirmed by his former teammates on Ascend. So, you know what I mean. I mean, the evidence is not looking great. But he did compete this weekend. He looked all right in Game 1. And then they got bapped in Game 2 and 3, I think. I can't remember who they were playing. Oh, it was Flux's team. So it must be... What's that? Flux, Septic, Shad and... Mose. I think they finished fourth. Okay. But that was, like, one big piece of roster news, yeah. Right? The biggest piece of roster mania news. Broke, I think... Well, we recorded on Tuesday, didn't we? Last week. Yeah, yeah. I think it came out Tuesday night. That... Quadrant were releasing Chick. And they were picking up Snipe Drone from Foe. Because they were fed up of losing. And they have all the money. So they can do something like that. The Quadrant roster was announced three days ago. It's a Friday. Hmm. 16th. But that broke, like, Tuesday night or Wednesday. Yeah. Well, that's better than the actual... Oh, with their teaser. Apparently... You know the bit at the end where Snipe Drone's like, yeah, I think this will do that. Oh, yeah, yeah. Apparently that's in the XL in London. I don't know where that is. Oh, is it? Okay. Yeah. So, you know. There was a little bit of interesting music in the announcement video as well. Which could indicate the venue. Oh, yeah. Who's in charge? But yeah, like, you know, obviously, picking up Snipe Drone, the type of player that he is, it's massively sorted out Quadrant's... games, I would say. You know what I mean? I feel like if you kind of think of... I don't want to compare the players and the teams because they're their own individual identities and they should be respected as such. Yeah. But if you kind of think of, like, with SSG, you've got Bound, Legend, Stellar, running around the map and killing everything, with Eco kind of sitting in positions that are more important. I would say that is kind of the way that Quadrant will play now. You know what I mean? Yeah, OK. Because obviously, historically, like, Quadrant incredibly fast on the map. It's just... Legend really is that guy. And as good as Glory is, he plays the game differently to Legend. So they have to come up with a different solution to the problem, which is obviously Snipe Drone. You know what I mean? I also heard some rumours about Chik maybe finding it difficult to come in English for the purposes of Glory, because obviously he's Irish, so he doesn't speak French, I assume. He doesn't speak English either. But, like, you know, I've been... So Chik now teaming with the former Na'Vi roster, plus Woottam. So that Foe team, which came in second, is now... Yes, it's Quadrant 1. Foe came second. I think they swept them in the Grand Final. The Foe roster now, Jimbo, Mighty, Woottam, Chik. But then, like, I've been watching the scrims and stuff on Jimbo's stream, and, like, Chik's English is probably better than mine. So I don't really know how true that is about him finding it difficult to communicate in English. I don't really know. But, yeah, so hoping they get back to the lab and hoping we get a competitive season out of EU, and it's not just going to be Quadrant stomping everyone. Hopefully so. Because, like, I mean, those games between Quadrant and Na'Vi last season were just insane. It was, like, Game 5, Game 7. Like, obviously, I saw them play in Blackpool, innit? And that went to Game 7 to reset the bracket, and then Game 5... Yeah. ...was when they won it. Like, you know what I mean? So... But, yeah, man, that's probably... probably as much Halo information as I've got for you right now. I don't know. Well, that brings us on to the biggest news... Big topic of conversation. ...the biggest news this week, last week, which is the Hex and Scump lawsuit against Activision and the CDL, I think it is? Is it the CDL and Activision, or just Activision? I don't know if it's the CDL and Activision, the CDL or Activision. I'm really not sure. It's definitely Activision, but I don't know if the CDL is involved in that. Obviously, the CDL is a byproduct of the Activision, but Activision are the main, like, the main... Defendant. We're a defendant in this case. So, a little bit of information for anybody who is not into ecology and this sort of stuff, and this news at all, if you've missed it. Hex and Scump are both suing Activision and the CDL for how much was it? 1 point, 2 point something million? Oh, it was 120 mil in damages. 120 mil worth of damages. That's the number that I've heard, but then I've also heard a lot more than that. I've heard a lot more, I've heard a lot less than that. Shit gets thrown about, my friends. I don't know how much money that is. But essentially, it comes down to both Hex and Scump are saying that the entirety of the CDL and Activision have monopolised, is that a word? Monopolised. Monopolised, thank you. The entirety of the CDL are in control of the spots and the money that they need to pay for the spots, et cetera, et cetera. And it's actually, Scump and Hex are both under the idea that it's damaging their brand and causing more problems than it actually is good for. I think the interesting thing here, right, is that you can't argue that Activision doesn't have a monopoly on competitive Call of Duty through its CDL product, right? There is no argument about that. The other thing that I find interesting is that it's Hex LLC, not Optic, that is named as the... I don't even know what the code is. Is it plaintiff? Yeah, plaintiff. I think that him and Scump are named as plaintiffs rather than it being from Optic Gaming. I think the Hex... What is it? The Hex LLC is the holding company for the Optic IP. How much does Hex currently own of Optic? I couldn't tell you. Because obviously, when we spoke about this during the week, one of the questions that we were asking was how does this affect Optic going forward? You know what I mean? They compete as a team as part of this league. If their team owner is suing the league office or the publisher of the game, how is that going to affect the team? Are they going to be allowed to compete? But I think by it not coming from Optic, like, yeah, Hex owns... Well, I feel like no one's really sure about how much he currently owns of Optic because obviously with the Envy merger, with all of that stuff that's going on there, and it's like the history of just that alone is mind-boggling. The timeline is so close. You know what I mean? Right, it's... Just very quickly, I don't know what the main lawsuit is about. Because they're saying that in 2016, when Activision bought MLG, which was Major League Gaming, which was more or less open to any sort of teams to get involved. You could be in the open. It's like, you know, like in the hilly, you can be in the open, which then you could work your way up. Yeah, it's an open place for eSport, yeah. They bought it. They bought MLG in 2016 and then proceeded to charge teams $27 million per slot. Yeah, it's $27.5 million, isn't it, for a CDL? For a CDL spot, yeah. Which is ridiculous. It's a lot higher than the... I feel like the number being quoted previously was $25 million, which is still a lot of money, but that $27.5 million, that's, you know, $2.5 million maybe doesn't sound like a lot of money, but that's a different ballgame. Especially when you consider the landscape of the market, as in the eSports market as a whole. You know what I mean? Well, I thought the .15 in the whole lawsuit that they sent in for this $27.5 million entry fee, honestly, there's only 12 teams that are allowed to be in the league at one time. Yep. Followed by that, Activision take an unconditional 50% share of the revenue that the teams generate from ticket sales and sponsorships. So by the time you've already paid your $27.5 million, you're then also losing half of the money that you're making from this entire event. Yeah. From your ticket sales and your sponsorships that you take in. But it's what you get back, you know what I mean? Yeah, but you're already, you know what I mean? You're already paying $27.5 million to even be there. The other thing with the wordage of that, right, is that I wasn't so sure about. It was kind of confusing to me. Is it saying that it's 50% of revenue generated by the CDL teams? Which, to me, wouldn't make a lot of sense. Especially considering that the CDL itself controls endorsements on a player and team basis. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's like, if they're taking 50% of any revenue the team generates, why is anyone signed up for this? Right? But if they're taking, if at the end of the year okay, well the CDL has generated $100 million in profit this year. So we're going to take our 50 mil for hosting you. Thank you very much. And then there's the 50 mil split between the 12 of you. You know what I mean? That would make more business sense to me. That it would operate in that way. But then I'm not completely sure of the way that things in a franchise model operate in terms of revenue sharing and stuff. Because obviously it's like it's based on it's like the model is based on any professional sports league in North America. I don't know what sort of rules there are. What the agreement is. If you're, like for example, like the NFL, right? The NFL must generate close to if not more than a billion dollars in revenue every year. As in the NFL itself, right? When you think about the distribution deals and like all this. I know teams in the NFL have responsibilities for their marketing areas. And there's like rules put in place to stop another team from infringing on a small, like a bigger team from infringing on a smaller team in the market and stuff like that. But like I don't know what happens with the money that the NFL generates off its products. So like it would make sense to me considering that like what the main partners of the CDL are like Monster Energy like USAA, I think. I saw on there. What else is there? Monster Energy, USAA Insurance is like their main partner. Yeah, so it's like if you have those three sponsors, right? And then that shit is plastered all over every when you load into the game and it's called the Monster Energy and stuff like that, right? You know, obviously Scump just appeared in a Mountain Dew advert on the Superbowl. That was played at the Superbowl. Like, you know what I mean? But this is another thing is that they're only, this is one of Scump's whole things for his claims is that he's only been allowed to take sponsorships that are in line with within Activision's model. So Monster, Mountain Dew. Yeah, because I saw I saw he was trying to get that Raid Shadow Legend money, money and they shut him down. They were like, yeah, you ain't doing that. Which is, I mean, I think this is the problem, right? It's like, it's a, you know, it's a franchised league. The players come as part of each individual franchise in the eyes of the league. You know, personally, I don't think that's right. But then at the same time, there isn't players, you know, obviously to use the NFL as an analogy again, in the NFL, the NFLPA, which is the Players Association, which then, you know, is basically the trade union of the players. Does the Call of Duty League have something like that, which is going to go to bat for the rights of the players within the league? Because, you know, obviously, I don't know if you've seen the scum tweet from, I think it was 2020, when they were apparently in, I think it was in Minnesota, the major, and they took him into a room and they were like, sign that or you don't play. And apparently they did that with every player. You can't do that. No. You know what I mean? That's like, you know what I mean? That's coercion, surely. Which is obviously one of the things that they're alleging is that they've been coerced into signing these contracts. They've been coerced into being a part of these deals and they've been coerced into it. You know, obviously Scrum's been coerced into it with the sign that you don't play. Hex has been coerced into it with the sign this and pay us all this fucking money or you're not going to be involved in Call of Duty. And I feel for, you know, obviously Hex is Optic. You know, Hex is Optic and Optic is Hex. Those two things are so closely linked together. And considering the pedigree and the history of Optic within the CWL and obviously before that, they were never, he was never not going to want to be involved in that. Yeah. Do you want to go through the nine different charges? Go on. What's that? Four of them are federal. Three of them are from the state of California and then two of them are from the state of Illinois. Very much the same, they're just duplicating them because they're in different states and whatever else. So we'll go through the federal ones first. So federal charge one, Activision and other CDL teams unlawfully excluded Hex from buying the OGLA spot and forcing him into the merge with Envy, resulting in losses of more than a hundred million dollars. Okay, it's just, it's been what was it, it's like he had to show a certain, he had to show he had backing from different contributors and he couldn't do it. Yeah, it was like it was something like he had to show that he had like a nil liquid asset available straight away and he had to show that he could get a line of credit for ten mil, I think. Or it was either that or he had to show he had ten mil and he had to get a line of credit for a hundred mil. But it was those sorts of numbers where the line of credit was ten times one billion. Yeah, exactly. Right. I've also seen in regards to this that there is apparently a comment was made by an Activision executive, now this is all hearsay based upon some stuff that I've seen elsewhere, like I'm not trying to get into trouble for saying this, but that Hex was explicitly told that he quote unquote wasn't the type of person they were hoping to attract through ownership. Which is a fucking wild thing to say, right? If it's true. However, when you look at some of the other people that own CDL franchise spots, that comment to me starts to make a little bit more sense. When you've got like, so for example, Boston Breach is owned by Craft Sports Group, do you know what else Craft Sports Group own? No. The New England Patriots. Los Angeles Gorillas is owned by Cronky Sports and Entertainment, do you know what else they own? No. The LA Rams. As well as Arsenal Football Club. Which one was it? Seattle Surge is owned by, if this is the right one, the Aquilini Group. Right. The guy who owns the Aquilini Group owns the Vancouver Canucks NHL team. Okay. LA Thieves have investment from Drake. So he's kind of got basically anyone you can think of on their investment cluster. You know what I mean? These are big time players. Big business fucking swinging dicks. You know what I mean? And Hex is not exactly the business... Well, you think of the other business that he's got. The thing is, for me, looking at who they have, because I think it says here that the league was announced in 2019 to begin in 2020, right? Yeah. And they sold out. Yeah, so the first team to purchase a spot for the league was announced in May 2019. Overactive Media, Atlanta eSports, Envy Gaming, Contact Gaming and Sterling VC. So obviously these are gaming brands. And the rest of the league has been made up by these big sports and entertainment multi-millionaires. I do believe that the original plan for the CDL was that the product would be so insane and they would have the backing of the... Cronky, for example, right? Guys like a mega mogul, super genius when it comes to making money out of sports. The same with Robert Kraft. If you argue that Robert Kraft got a little bit lucky, it's still the same thing, right? So maybe they're looking at it, they want to attract these people that are going to not only give the league growth, which is in my mind secondary, but they're going to promote the league to a point that then starts to enforce growth for the parent company, which is of course Activision. Because at that point, why would you say no to someone of Robert Kraft's caliber, or Stan Kronky's caliber? If that's the sort of money that they were trying to entice in, then Hex is not... He's not even a footnote on the bottom of that list for me. But again, that's if that was actually said. There's a lot of hearsay and people talking in Twitter comments and stuff. Sorry Rob, we kind of got off on that. We're here to discuss each one. Charge number two. Activision and other CVL teams unflawfully suppress Scump's wages and Scump's ability to get sponsorships, resulting in losses of more than $20 million. So, as we said, unless it was sponsorships that went with the brand of Activision and CVL, no good. They're not allowed to do it, yeah, exactly. I don't quite know where they're getting this $20 million number from, but at the same time, who are we to dispute that? If that's the number that they're saying, then that's the number that they're saying. They have their reasons for saying that number. Also, before we go on, because obviously there's a lot of Activision and the other owners, Activision and the other teams, there's a lot of this going on. It's my understanding of the wording of the original lawsuit that the other teams and the other owners have been named as unwilling co-conspirators or something along those lines, which basically leaves the door open for if any of these other people look at this lawsuit and go, yo, we want in on that, they can take part in it because they're not being named specifically as someone who was party to the crime that was committed. You know what I mean? So it's kind of like they're like, well, these guys are involved, yes, but they didn't realize what they were doing. They didn't realize what it was that they were signing on for in the same way that we didn't realize what it was that we were signing on for. Yeah, it kind of leaves the door open for everybody. Which I think they're going to need personally. Oh fucking yes, yes they will. As we said when the news first broke that we feel like they've bitten off more than they can chew. 100%. We've seen what big money in sports does to the governing and legal bodies. You know what I mean? That's been news in the UK for quite a few years now. And it really boils down to who can afford the best lawyers and how many billions of dollars does Microsoft have? Too many to count. Exactly. How many billions of dollars does Hexenoptic have? You could probably count that in one hand. I don't think you could even count it in one hand, bro, because I don't think they have a billion dollars. Half a finger. This to me is what it's going to come down to. Who can afford the better litigator? Hit me with point three, bro. Charge number three. Hex plus Optic brand slash IP was damaged by Activision's unlawful monopoly and illegal conduct resulting in losses more than 100 million. Hex LLC is presumably the hold company for Optic IP. I just don't understand how they're going to prove that, though. When? I feel like they have the ability to prove that they've missed out on sponsorships due to the fact it's not into their brand. You know what I mean? They'll have the ability to do that, but I don't understand where they're going to get this 90 million and yada, yada, yada. Do you think this is like the Optic LA and the real Optic, which was Chicago Huntsman under NLG? You know what I mean? When you look at that period in competitive Call of Duty, you've got Scump, Formal... There we go. Enough said. Scump and Formal have been on a team that isn't Optic, but it's headed by Hex, Maniac's about, Embo's is there. You know what I mean? It is Optic, but it's not under the Optic name. How are they going to prove that the damages of the performance... Say, for example, the performances of Optic LA weren't that good or weren't good enough under the Optic name, right? But then Hex sold the name to a baseball player and his mate who then went and did that with it and then he went and approached NRG with a shit ton of money and then became second co-director of some shit, set up a different team, took all the best players that they had away from Optic because they were loyal to him, not the name, which is fine. That's fair enough. I don't... I don't really understand what angle they're going to be coming from with that. Whether it's the bad publicity from the Optic LA, whether it's the... Like you said, with the sponsorships. You know what I mean? I don't understand that one. No. Which then, charge number four, that first one was obviously Hex and Optic, this charge number four is Scump's brand and IP was damaged by Activision's unlawful monopoly and illegal contact resulting in losses of more than a hundred mil. So Scump and Hex are both claiming that the damage to the brand and the IP due to Activision's behavior is both worth a hundred million separately. I mean, I feel like, personally, right, I feel like the Scump thing has legs because he is his own person, he's his own creator, he's always been his own thing. You know what I mean, right? Like... With the Optic thing... I'd like... That's where it starts getting confusing. You know what I mean? The whole thing is just weird. It's just super strange. It's a confusing mess. It's just growing arms and legs. I never at any point thought this would be a thing that is happening. No, but I have some information as to why it might have happened. Which we'll go into after we've gone through the rest of the charges. Because I love a good speculation, bro. That's the four main... They'll be the big ones, yeah. What have they done for in California, bro? They're all more or less the same. So there's three California ones. Charge five is from Hex. Activision and the other CDL team is making them buy Merican and Merge with Envy. Same as the federal one. Charge six for Scump. Activision and other teams suppress Scump's wages. Same as charge two, which is for the state. Charge seven, Hex, Scump and the Hex LLC damaging each other's brands. Which is charge three and four for the federal. Exact same. And then Illinois, it's two Hex ones. The one where they force them to buy Envy. And then the other one in Illinois, this is the only one that's different, charge nine. Activision and other CDL teams maintained an unlawful monopoly on Competitive Cod resulting in losses of a hundred million. Very broad. Nothing specific, unlike the other ones. It's just very broad. They maintained a monopoly on Competitive Cod. And we lost all this money. You know, I feel like you can't argue that they've maintained a monopoly on Competitive Cod. Yeah. How good are American anti-monopoly laws? With this, the Microsoft takeover of Activision, it was held up in the UK so long because of how stringent the UK's anti-monopoly laws are. You know what I mean? That shit got passed through in America like bang, immediately. Yeah, the EU fucking held off it. Yeah, you know what I mean? If they don't have anti-monopoly laws or the anti-monopoly legislation isn't as strong, then what the fuck are we doing? I mean, I guess they're not alleging that the monopoly is the bad thing, that it's the result of the monopoly? No, I think it is the monopoly in general. As I said before, they bought out MLG to then make people pay to play. Yeah, make the monopoly. One of the little side notes here is there's heaps of different ranges of outcomes overall. The main one I feel like is going to be on most people's minds is the um... What's the word I'm looking for? The entire breakdown of the CDL. They're just going to tear it down, they're going to sell it all, they're just going to bin it off. Yeah, that's obviously a possibility because it's like... It looks like the CDL was on its last legs for a while, I feel. The Overwatch League, if I'm not mistaken, has folded. Um... If I'm not mistaken, I don't know anything about Overwatch. But I've heard that that's all kind of gone the way of the dodo. This maybe is the same thing. It was operated in the same way, it was the same business model. A lot of the owners of CDL franchise slots are also owners of the Overwatch franchise slots. You know what I mean? I just can't help but think that this was... This is a business decision made in the pre-pandemic world. When esports organisations and esports as an industry was getting the world's most fucking ridiculous valuations because of where the money came from and how it was backed. You know what I mean? In the post-pandemic world, the market is different, the rules are different. Thinking like it's the world before will not be successful. You know what I mean? The esports industry is on its arse, basically. It's over-speculated. Over-speculated at the time when everyone thought the money was never going to stop. It wouldn't surprise me to see the CDL fold. Personally, I think the CDL going away would be a good thing. Because I think that esports should be open and should have the possibility of me, you and the boys turning up at London in May and going all the way through to the champ bracket. That should always be a thing. Some of the greatest players of all time have been discovered in that way. You know what I mean? I don't think it's right that they have the monopoly. I guess with the monopoly, just the CDL is challenges also. That's the only way to become a professional Call of Duty player. That's ridiculous. It's such a closed environment. There's got to be a better solution to the problem. You know what I mean? You think, but I don't know if it's going to happen. 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