WTF Reloaded- Chet Fortune Real

The transcription is a conversation between Eric and Chet on their show "WTF Reloaded." They discuss Chet's journey from a gym owner to a personal trainer after a life-changing accident. Chet shares his resilience after being told he might not walk again and his decision to start his own gym. He talks about his previous ventures in commercial cleaning and banking before pursuing his passion for fitness. Chet emphasizes the importance of following his own path and training style rather than conforming to others. The conversation also touches on Chet's experiences with contracts and business challenges. Overall, it highlights Chet's determination and entrepreneurial spirit. Welcome back to another episode of WTF Reloading Eastman here alongside my partner in crime, Husker, the boy, Johnson, is in the building. Yo, we got our cups, we sippin' and tippin', we got a nice guest today, Chris, my partner, how you doin' today, my friend? In the studio, we live, we fresh, we in color, so we got our beautiful guest today, talk to us. Listen, I'm happy to be here, I'm happy that we're back. For all the people who used to tune in to us, we were on another platform, we decided that we wanted to go off on our own, do our own thing, be in control of what we say and what we do. There's others out there who have experienced the same thing, but we're back. If you go to WTF Reloaded on YouTube, you'll see that we have very little subscribers. Again, we came from a big platform that had many subscribers. We're starting over, so we want you to hit that subscribe button, and again, like Eric said, we're on multiple platforms, we'll be going live on multiple platforms, but I'm going to turn it back over to Eric, and he's going to introduce our special guest that we have here today. Yeah, and that's the thing about it. We want to make sure that you're getting all of the content. There's going to be bloopers, there's going to be behind-the-scenes action, it's going to be live, Eric. You're going to hear some strictionary stuff, you know, straight live in color, and we're going to be able to talk that dang thing, you know what I'm saying? Strictly is unrestricted right now, and if it's unstricted, S-T-R-I-C-T, put some respect on it, but we're going to put some respect on this man right here. Coach Chet is in the building, he's the founder of Coach Chet, which is a certified personal trainer by way of the National Academy of Sports Medicine. Chet opened the Warrior Fitness Center back in Omaha, where he resides, live and in color, back in 2012 for mom and pops, young people, college students, cluster who tried to buy in, just didn't have enough paperwork to do it, but that's okay, we're going to talk about that another time. But Chet has been recognized not only as trainer extraordinaire to athletes and stars, to one of the biggest stars, Unanimous, the undisputed champion in Bud Crawford, but he was recognized also by State Magazine as the 50 hottest trainers back in 2014, and it's beautiful to watch his story because you're also a part of the Flux Watch, CBM T-Birds, we have a business, they'll be watching the building, talk to them man, it's good to see you today, Chet, thanks for joining us on WTF Reloaded. I'm excited to be here. Good, good, good. So, you know, one of the things that I really wanted to touch on, man, is your story. Your story is not only personal, Chet, your story is also a show of resilience and a show of bounce back, and a show of high standards, because you had a situation that happened with regards to a very tough accident, so with that accident, you had a lot of people trying to tell you, you know, you wasn't going to make it, you ain't going to be able to do this or do that again, and you had to look that thing in the face and you had to go and meet the challenge. The same thing you've probably been talking to your students and your trainees about as well, isn't even by itself. So yeah, 2029, I got put on a drug called Ambien, sleeping pills, having trouble sleeping. First time I took a great sleep. Second time I took it was a week later, you know, I had eight hours, you know, it was like 7.30 p.m., watching Bruce Lee, and as a dragon, playing with my daughter and later my son, she went up to, you know, the upstairs, I went up, you know, fell asleep on the couch. That's the last thing I remember. Four days later, I woke up, neurosurgeon with us, I'm like, you know, yeah, I didn't know where I was, it was like a pretty significant car accident, you probably can't feel anything below your waist, and at this time, I was a month out from my fifth Arnold Classic, so I competed mentally, you know, just dialed in probably 5, 4% body fat, just feeling good, feeling young for my age, and then waking up and thinking, I might not ever see a gym again, which had built my passion, you had mentioned that I owned a gym. So, you know, kind of like this show, you know, like you left, and you guys left, and you know, I'm going to do it your way. That was me with the gym, like I never, you know, anticipated myself working for a gym, you know. Yeah. Stadium gym. Yeah. I didn't want to look like their trainers, you know, I'm going to do it my way, you know, I trust my purpose, you know, I got people following me, and so like I had a strong mindset, you know, when the doctor told me, you know, you'll probably never walk again, I think that was my mindset from the beginning was like, I'm not the patient that you've had, and I need to stop listening to that. Right, right. Because, you know, this one-year-old that I remember, I was like, you know, she's not going to remember me from one years old, that's all she'll remember is me in a wheelchair. I can't have it like that. That's crazy. Well, listen, blessings that you made it back, and we talked about a little bit of that stuff off air, how you were resilient, how you had a mind frame that you were not going to allow this accident to hold you down, and, you know, like Chet said, he didn't think that he would ever walk again, but when you got a strong mind, and, you know, obviously, you know, prayers up to the man above, you made it. Now, let me take you back just a little bit, we're going to take it back just a little bit, because I used to see Chet in the gym all the time, lifting, brother had an incredible physique, you know, I used to take notes, I tried not to take pictures, but I took some notes, right? Like, what is this brother doing? What's he doing over here? You know, just admiring from afar, right? And then all of a sudden, you know, we would start to have like little conversations here and there, because I know he was trying to find his way. I mean, this was like in his 20s, this was like 20-something years ago, and then all of a sudden, I heard he had a gym, so he had mentioned Warrior Fitness. What inspired you? I mean, because most people will say, you know, I'm just going to continue to do this gym that I'm going to, I'm going to get a job here and become a trainer, but something pushed you to say, you know what, I can open my own thing, you know, I can get people to support me, I know people will follow me. Who spurred you on to do that? And, I mean, that is like a mountain, opening up a business. I mean, you probably know opening up a business, then you've got to deal with financials, you've got to deal with possibly employees. What made you say, I can do this? I mean, I think I was a business student, so like going into college, you know, University, finished my degree with Bellevue. I knew I wanted to run a business and do something my way, have some ownership. The gym wasn't the initial thought, you know, that was just something I liked to do. I played sports in high school and then stayed in the gym. No matter, you know, I wasn't training for any sport or any competition, I just liked being in the gym and pushing myself. I pushed myself hard. So my first business was actually a commercial cleaning service called Lifetime Janitorial. I had, you know, bought this Astro Van, had a friend that, you know, he was in the commercial cleaning business. I could piggyback off him, you know, get some advice from him, and, you know, it just seemed like an easy way in. I came up with logos, flyers, business cards, you know, had a little Astro Van, didn't have no windows on it, had 20-inch rims on it. You had to lift the truck, swing it up on it. I was going to do it that way, you know what I mean? You know, it was a vibe, but I hated cleaning behind people. I was able to get contracts through, you know, my first sales, my first sales, my real sales job was an advisor for pharmaceuticals. I mean, it's like right after high school. Okay. You know, interns turned into, you know, a bigger role. And, you know, like I had the ability to talk to people, the personality. Like I said, I could get some decent-sized contracts, and I could see myself scaling it immediately. In the beginning, it was, you know, me doing the work with some people I could hire for cheap. You know, I paid $10 an hour to come out with me for something, you know. And, you know, I kept it that way, but I quickly, like, realized, I was like, you know, I hate cleaning up behind people. Yes. You know, especially some of the contracts that I had. The bidding felt low. You know, the expectation of what they wanted you to do was, you know, out of the scale that it seemed like, you know. Yeah, they wanted that top-of-the-line wine type service. Yeah. But didn't want to pay that top-of-the-line wine Caviar Dream money. Come on now. Multiple bills was the only thing, you know. Right. So, you know, like, for me, like, you know, I got out of that, went back. I was in banking for a while, you know, so I went back to managing a couple banks. And then it just hit me. I was like, you know, I'm not in love with this. I hate all these meetings of kind. Oh, I'm going to America. Yeah, just, you know, about, you know, email me this, and this could have been a five-second text message. Right, right. So, like, you know, one day I was just like, I'm going to get my CPT, because I don't want to work for these gyms that I'm going to. You know, I don't like their style of training. Like, I don't want to look like they're training, you know. And so I got my CPT, and then I just started looking for space. Yeah, because some of them come in there, they be looking like Heavy D. And we trying to train them. They're looking like fat, fat, fat boys. Oh, my gosh. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Am I lying to you? Let's be honest. Let's be honest. That's what we do. You know what I'm saying? There are some trainers that you could be training. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, Chet, obviously Eric read off some of your accolades, and you obviously took the business very seriously, got some certifications. How did your name get to the point where you got on the radar of a blood crawler? Like, how did that connection happen? I mean, how did it get on the radar? You know, it took a couple years for my family to really grow a group class, base, you know, like some students. Outside or inside gym? I had 5,000 square feet. It was a slim car, a built-in car. And then we had the back lot in Cajun. So, I had a big, huge trailer type tractor pile, you know, something to do back there. But it built. I think kind of the takeoff was Shade Magazine. At Shade Magazine, there was a, you know, like, what was that? So, I got in there. That built, you know, like some Bellevue University articles, you know, and it built some Omaha Magazine and Omaha World Heroes. And I think Zach Bowman was the first, like, you know, professional athlete to come to my gym. You didn't call it sticky. Sticky when he came up in there. Zach Bowman. Zach Bowman. So, he just hopped out. And, you know, the news articles, it got me a little bit of a name recognition. And it was like a year later, but he fought Dan Bullard. Dan Bullard. So, I went to that, sat ringside, sat with a friend. You know, I kind of knew Red Spikes, what we knew of each other. Yeah. And, you know, I told my friend I was sitting there, like, you know, I'm going to train him. You know, like, he was a champion already. Yeah, and I just knew. I was like, I'm going to train him. Right. You know, so I kind of, you know, okay, whatever. I reached out to Red, you know, like, you know, a few months later. Yeah. And I was like, I got to get him in my door. You know, like, how do I get him in my door? I'll show him for free. And, you know, he was just like, just reach out to him. And I was just thinking, just like reaching out to any, you know, celebrity or athlete, you know, just hit their inbox. Facebook was a thing at the time. Right, right. And so, you know, I'm just thinking, I'm not going to hear from this guy. And, you know, a couple weeks later, he hit me up. He was like, yeah, I'll come try it out. Popped in. And, you know, when he popped in, I was like a little bit of, you know, I just wanted to see where I'm at. Right. I mean, I got this world class. I trained with, at that time, all my classes, every personal training. You know, I'm going to give you their money. Right. Like, you know, I'm going to push you because I'm going to, you know, whatever you do, I'm not going to make you do anything. Right. That you would do. Right. And, you know, it didn't matter who they were. Like, you know, I had a couple NFL guys pop in. I'll go heavier. I'll go harder. You know. Right. Half your size. Like, you know, like, you want to quit? What's wrong with you? Right. You know, and I just, I wanted it more. So. Yeah. I wanted to see where I was at. So, I pushed him. We had a great workout. He was like, man, I'm coming back on Friday. So, two days later, I'm like, you know, most definitely. At that time, I just wanted to promote my gym. Yeah. You know, like, being his trainer, you know, really pop in. Let me get some pictures and, you know, take a couple videos. And, you know, like, post that. Get people into it. He came out two days later. We had a great workout. He was like, I need you to be my strength coach. I need you to come to training camp with us in Palo Alto Springs. Oh, yeah. And I was just like, you know, at that time, I was like, give me a couple days. I don't know what that looks like. I was telling him, you know, I've never had this experience. I don't even know what to ask for. So, let's, you know, give me a couple days. He was like, I can give you until tomorrow because we need Sunday. Dang. And I was like, you know, hey, well, I'm going to figure it out. But, you know, lo and behold, 10 years later, you know. Let me get one more, Stricky, one more. Oh. Because he just gave me some compelling information. One of the things that I noticed about something that you were saying, and we're going to talk about this a little bit more in depth, is it seemed like you had a dog in you, right? Yes. And one of the things I know that Eric is in him, that they're in me, because we both, I would say, I think we both through our athletic careers have had a champion spirit within us. But there was something in you. I know you have a military, your parents, you know, you come from a military background from your parents. Where did that come from? Boy, you're filling my mojo. You know, where did that come from in you when you said, all right, he's in here, I'm about to show him, you know, who I am and what I'm all about. That's right. You know, everybody here has recognized that Terrence got some crazy dog in him, right? Where he can dig down deep. Dogs have to recognize a dog, right? Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? If he didn't see dogs, what you're saying is if he didn't see dogs, he wouldn't be walking out of the jail. Right. Right. So, Terrence, where do you equate that? I mean, where did that come from within you? I mean, I think it was internal, you know, like to a standpoint, but even when I really think about that question, you know, it was competitive in the household. My brother and my dad, you know, a little bit of sports we played around the house, like we were competitive with one another. You know, my brother was seven years older than me. My dad older than us. So, you know, like it was just didn't matter what age you were, you know, like you're going to compete. Right. I'm going to talk a little ish. Right. Right. I'm going to deal with that. So, I mean, like when I played, you know, from early age football and track and, you know, like it was, it came down to practices. You know, for me, I think I told Brad at one point, it was just like even in practice or track practice football, you know, it could be you get there, run a lap around the track. And I just had to be first. I had to be. Yo! I mean, it meant nothing. Yo! Ain't nobody out there competing. Right. You know, like when I work out, I don't hop in the pool often, but I was never a good swimmer. But, you know, I could hop in the pool with somebody 65 years old, you know, 300 pounds, could hop in right next to me. And, like, you know, we're going up. They don't know we're racing. You got to look at the turtle competition. You know, I might be better than you because I'm in whatever. So, you know, I'm competing. So, like, I think at a young age, it just, like, you know, I don't want to say it was just bothersome. Like, you know, they didn't try to break you down if you weren't as good. But, I mean, it was just, yeah, a natural habit that was created. I got to say that, you know, ultimately it probably came from home. Yeah. Well, one of the things that I would say, you know, I absolutely understand because even as a young kid, I couldn't swim. Yeah. But I'd go and jump off the diving board as if I knew what I was doing. It's almost tricky going in here because I jumped off the diving board. I jumped off the diving board. I looked up and all I could see is the light. But that's that competitive feeling. I saw all the other kids doing it, so I was like, shoot, I can do it, too. You know. I can do it, yeah. But now you've been with him through all undisputed wins. All the wins. All the wins. And now you find yourself facing a challenge because you went through adversity, like you said. You mentioned the accident. You had the loss of a loved one, your brother. That was when I used to live. Zach was still there? No, Zach is my son. Yeah, funny. Zach, because he played basketball. Yeah. Zach was never related to me. You're lying. I mean, you know. I thought Zach was somehow related to you. He had been my dad and, you know, all that. That's crazy. Zach was like a year older than me. We'll edit that out. You're lying on my face. No. It's all good. I thought that they were somehow related. Zach came and worked. Didn't he come after you? A little bit. Zach was like a year older than me. Oh, okay. That's crazy. Okay, well, nonetheless, but here's the thing. You are eyeing a challenge of the know, and not necessarily that anything was inked on paper, but just the possibility of it. So you had to go within yourself to figure out a plan, knowing where he is, what weight he carries, what the expectations were going to be of him, who he was going to be facing. So having to take more and having to definitely take body, what was your approach to knowing that it hasn't been signed, but your preparation for the buildup of the possibility of facing Falconel? I mean, they had wanted that fight for a while, you know, even before we fought with Dreamov. I know, you know, that was, I'm not saying he was looking through with Dreamov. You know, like we take every opponent. I think he takes every opponent, like that's the one that matters most. It's the most important fight. To date, it's the one that's in front of me. So, you know, you got somebody that's got a similar characteristic and, you know, perception and mindset makes that a lot easier. You know, that way I can sit back, do my job. I don't have to work on the mindset. I think, you know, like you went on into gym for so long. The hardest part was, you know, people become motivated and excited. You know, like are they willing to put in the work? Do they have that commitment and dedication that it takes to get to the goal that they're trying to see? I mean, you played in the NBA. I've had a lot of NFL athletes that, you know, they all kind of have the same perception at a young age. Like they're going to do this. They're going to take whatever it takes to get to that point. They think about it all the time. You know, you got to obsess over that goal. You know, like that type of goal, the 1%, you know, that make those 1% goals. Yeah. You know, they're obsessed with it. It's not just a one and sometimes, you know, and I think, you know, like I had the luxury of working with an athlete in Bud that, you know, from seven years old when he started, he knew he wanted his name to be on that mountain. Russian was great for a long time. Yeah. I mean, there was part of me that is just I know I can focus on the training. Yeah. I know he's got enough trust in me to get to where he needs to go to, you know, question it along the way. And so, you know, with going into that fight, I just knew, you know, we had to, you know, add power, not lose speed. Yeah. You know, like all those what they said with Canelo would be too good. Right, right. You know, like that competitive nature. Okay, you say you're better at this. Like, you know, no, we're going to be better at that. You know, like that's the goal. So, you know, like the work that it took to get there, I mean, it's unfathomable for, you know, most individuals when you're dealing with somebody that's, you know, arguably at this point the greatest in their sport. You know, they're putting in a little bit more than, you know, like the Jordans and the Kobys and LeBron. You know, like they work a little harder. Right. They didn't just rely on talent and their obsession. They put in the work, too. So, you know, like, you know, for that fight, I knew I had the athlete that it was quite a jump. And for a lot of people it wouldn't be the correct way or the best way or, you know, but I knew I had, you know, the commitment and the dedication from him in the beginning that, you know, hey, you're willing to work much harder than, you know, Canelo has ever thought about working. So, you know, that's kind of what it was. I mean, you know, the workload. Now's the time to, you know, you might call it pre-camp. You could call it the pre-pre-camp, you know, before you even get to pre-camp. But, you know, like the work's got to be difficult and tough now. So, you know, when we get to the fight, it feels easy. So quick follow-up along those lines. You're dealing with Bud, and a lot of people may not fully know this, but he's a multi-sport athlete. You know, he's wrestled, he can hoop. You know, there's a lot of things that, you know, he does well. When you look at someone that's athletically gifted like that, do you use some of those things that are a part of – let me caveat. So, for me, like, for example, for me, as a football, baseball, basketball guy who wrestled also, who did multiple things, right, I always used a piece of what that other thing was and applied it in the sport that I was actively involved in. So, in that sense, I used the mental capacity of the baseball. I used the physicality aspects of football and abilities to read different things that I applied in basketball, and I used all of them to be put together. Do you, as a trainer, look at those type of things that he's gifted at and try to work it into a boxing structure, or do you just, you know, pretty much stick to the plan of what the goal is, and that's whether it be bulk, whether it be speed, whether it be power, whatever it is? I mean, I think that second part of what you talked about, you know, having to use different – that's the element that being at camp, in camp, before the camp, you know, seeing him every day, all his movements throughout camp, you know, strength and conditioning, we're a component, you know, they box every day. You know, I'm not a boxing coach. I'm a strength and conditioning coach, you know. But the elements of, you know, what I was watching while he was boxing and knowing that he had other aspects of other elements of other sports and things he could do, you know, like that, might change my programming from day to day. You know, like that's – you know, like I don't think I could have helped, you know, from the component that I helped had I not been there for every single aspect of what he was doing. Oh, no. Even when he was not. You know, like we could be at home and just, you know, playing ping pong or, you know, like seeing – it's a long camp. You know, you don't get through a basketball season without having some aches and pains. You know, when you got people hitting on each other, you know, and they're running miles and, you know, you're going to have some more aches and pains. So, you know, like seeing things that were going on, you know, at the camphouse, just sitting around, you know, playing games with them, like might change the element or the structure of what I wanted to do the very next day. Okay. We're about to get into some nitty-gritty. Okay. I'm about to take you there. And here's where we're going. What I've noticed through Buzz's career, he's had these stages of doubts, right? Doubts for me. For me. For me. Oh, wow. He's going to call me out. Listen, yes, yes, I've had my moments of doubt, just like everyone else. He talks fast. Especially with this last fight, I think most of the world, with the exception of boxing, when I say purists or people who really know the technical aspects of boxing, they can see where Buzz could win or would win. And by no means am I going to put myself in that class of persons who know all of the intricacies of boxing. I watch a lot of information, but still, I've never been in the gym where you're teaching little. I know there's little things that they talk about that if you're not there, you just don't know, right? But anyway, there was that time where he was being undisputed at 140. He was undisputed at 147. Even the Madrid Mall fight at 154, and then you go to 168. So let's just think about all those times. How did you see Buzz handling the doubters from the outside? Because I know internally you can't have no doubt, right? Everybody's got to be on board. You can't have nobody over in the corner like, I don't know about this one, you know? Kind of talk about what you saw in Buzz and the fact that he goes, listen, this has been predestined. Like, I've seen it all. I know I'm going to win. I just need y'all to get me ready. So, again, you all hear the outside noise. You hear all the doubters. How do you handle that? And then how do you handle it internally where everybody is a collective, y'all already on board, we know the goal, everybody just get to working? I'm just going to add a piece to that. Answer that. I'm not going away from that question. But there's something to say to what Clutch just said there, that see it before you step into it. I know what that looks like. There's something beautiful about that. So as you're answering that question, elaborate on, even as someone, you know, who's a trainer, you have to be able to see the end result of the goal, even before you step into the gym. Otherwise, you won't be able to make it. You understand what I'm saying? Like, if your goal is, like you said, 4% body fat, 5% body fat, and you're looking at yourself with a poop on, you know what I'm saying? And you're looking at yourself and you're wondering, you have questions. If you can't see, when you look in the mirror, what that end result is going to be, it's going to be tough for you to finish that. But, Steve, answering that question, there's something to speak to that, being able to visualize it is going to be tough. I think, you know, I can't answer the question as good as the parents can, you know. So the parents just did an interview on R.A. Ward's R.A. Ward. And, I mean, I think you said that answer to that question. But I'd rather, you know, parent what he did versus, you know, because, like, you know, when it comes to, you know, I can train individuals that have that mindset, and I think I can make them do great things that they can be, you know, in that element. But what he said was, you know, when the committal fight started materializing and, you know, contracts were being signed, it was just like you call Bernie, Bernie the Boss. Right. Right. Shout out to Bernie. Shout out to Bernie. When you went in your corner, you know, like, and so he said he called Bernie, and it was like 3 in the morning, you know, which is like shortly after things were pretty much done. He called him at 3 in the morning because he knew he was the only one having an answer. He was like, I know Bernie will pick up. Right. And, you know, he was like, Bernie picked up. And, you know, he was just like, you know, I'm going to beat him. Like, I'm going to beat him. Right. I'm going to beat him. Wait, wait, wait. There's something to that right there. I'm going to beat him. There's a difference. I'm going to beat him. Yeah. I'm going to beat him. Yeah. Like, there's a difference. It's a connection. Come on. It's a connection. He knew he saw it. Yeah. You know, like, manifestation is something I'm able in. Yeah. You know, when it was bigger than manifestation, he was just like, you know, he analyzed everything. He knew what he was going to do. He knew his skill set. You know, like, he's been great this whole time. You know, like, arguably, you know, he's in the conversation. He's in the conversation. Yeah. So, you know, at the end of the day, like, you know, like, for him to know boxing, I don't know boxing as well as Bernie. You know, his coaches believe him. You know, he had a, you know, he had a U.S. flag, you know, a blue mat, a style with the reds. He knew Bernie. You know, they accept by him, you know, because they knew, you know, like what they had on their side. Right. Right. We didn't even know. Yeah. I mean, nobody knew until they knew. Until they know. Right. I don't know now. Give him the money. Show him the money. At the end of the day, you know, when it comes down to it, like, you know, like, you have to truly believe that, you know, A, you have to see that in real life, you know, I'm going to say, I know that's basketball, but in real life. I am. In my Paul Peters voice. You know, he's a 5'9", you know, like, you know, 5'8". That boy, I've been telling you, he's the greatest of all time. And he's like that. But that's funny that you said that. Go ahead. At the end of the day, he knew, you know, like, he would deal with it all. You know, the elite, the LMS type, you know, to afford a boxing, he knew his skillset. And, you know, at the time, it was 64, 65, something like that, that you had to kind of, you know, look off of and, you know, really break down and figure out where, you know, your advantages outweighed your disadvantages and say, you know, at that point in time, 60-something, probably 30-something. You know, you're shutting your weight down. Not that you can't let yourself do it, since, you know, you saw it. You knew it. You know, at that time, that was before camp, you know, before me and him really got into working out and stuff like that. You know, he prepared. You know, he largely defeated them in his love, you know. You know, at that point, like, again, that work, commitment, and dedication, you know, I guess, all of your level is higher than any other athlete that I've worked with. Right. So, you know, like, you know, the skill, the belief, the faith, and, you know, the work commitment, you know, it was really down here at that point. You know, from the start of that high, that last high, that last evening of the flash, you know, he moved. Like, you know, the faith was really fighting me. Fighting you, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, here's what's crazy, Chet, is everything that you just said is so real, because when you look at stepping into all of the things you just laid out, skill, belief, faith, there's a lot of people that have faith when they step into the ring with Mike Thomas in his prime. Oh, for sure. You know, until they, even in the press conference, talk that thing until they felt that thing. Yeah. You know, that pulse. You know what I'm saying? So, here's the thing with Bud, is he not only talked it, because there was one moment where they're in the press conference, and you hear that they're talking, and, you know, Canelo is coming with a little bit of bravado. Yeah, they fought nobody. And the next thing you know, Bud said, he said, he said, well, who are you fighting? And Bud looked across dead ass at him and said, you. And here look, none of this is different from, you know, they're saying you, they're saying you, you him, and what you going to be when I'm done with you? A nobody. That's another. You can see on Canelo's face that he said, oh, shit. Different. He different. Right? So, that's, when you're saying all those things, it's easy to say, you know, yeah, I've got faith. I can do a lot of faith in myself. But when you can talk that thing, but not just talk, because a lot of people do a lot of talking, you know what I'm saying? But to be able to stand no business. And being naive, as some people will say, is against acting. Right. It is acting. Talking about, like, like, like, but that ain't unusual. Right. He's done that before. Where he's had, there's, oh, Terrence is probably the most doubted, and it was crazy, because sure he had, you know, a second home in Dallas. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So, I'm down in Dallas, and I'm out somewhere in Dallas, and everybody's sitting up there, and y'all are crying, going about their business. And I had to stand up in there. Yeah. They're part of the church here. They're not. You know what I'm saying? I had to stand up in there with such a big group. You know what I'm saying? Wow. People couldn't do it. I had to stand up in there. I'll be the first to tell you. I'll go on record and apologize for the doubtness. And that's just because I can't. Like, I'm not, I'm not. A lot of people can't do what you're doing right now. I'm not. There's a lot of fools out there. I'm telling you, I've had three moments where I had my doubts. Right. Was I going for it? Yes. And I wanted to win? Absolutely. But did I doubt? Yes. Gamora was the first one because when I looked at his accolades, you know, being an Olympic champion, gold medalist. Errol Smith was another one. I kept up with both careers. You know, Errol was on the other side of the street, being able to box with a lot of the guys that Terrence won the box with. For one reason or another, they just not done it. It was hard to make those fights. And then, obviously, this last one. Again, I wanted him to win. Right. But sometimes in your mind, you go, is this insurmountable? I didn't feel that way, honestly, until maybe this last one. Did I think that he could beat Errol? Absolutely. Right. But when I saw who Errol had boxed and how he had beat him, nose breaking, high pockets and stuff like that, I'm going, how is he going to match up to that? And I think one of the things we've learned is he's got an undying belief in who he is. He has manifested the win before the match. One of the things we know is when he started talking, you just got to believe what he says. Because there's very few athletes out there like that. That's why I didn't want to believe it, Terrence, because there's not a lot of people out there like that, that they're going to do exactly what they say they're going to do. And the only thing I wanted to, that you missed on, I kind of wanted to hear how it's handled amongst the group, or maybe it's something that isn't even discussed. You hear all the doubters, right? You hear all the people that are saying, no, he can't do that. And sometimes when you hear that so much with some people, they start to believe it, right? Obviously, he's not one of those. But how do you guys handle that? Do you like, do you have it as motivation? Is it motivation? Is it harder on the wall? I love to hear people hear it like, no, that ain't going to happen. Are the newspaper clippings all over the place? Yeah. That's how it used to be. When it comes down to it, like I said, I think I've had a similar mindset. That's the similar mindset from most of the coaches and people around here. Like that's why we divide and that's why we work together. But I think, you know, like with the brilliant, like it really resonates to the rest of the night. Like we're already confident. And then you see how confident your fire is. It just makes you go more. It just takes me, you know, at least I can speak for myself. But, you know, he feels it. Like, you know, when we're in a fight, I'm going to win the fight. I'm going to beat this dude. Like if he can't beat me, it's already God's plan that I'm going to beat him. You know, whatever the risks are. Like that's, it just resonates and really accelerates, you know, our belief in those things. And I think when it comes down to it, can I personally? Do it. All right. So, you know, like, you know, words with holdbacks. You know, like. We don't use rules. We don't use rules. I'll show you. You understand me? You know, words with holdbacks, man. You know, holdbacks, you know, like people that don't like you. They don't, you know, support you. They don't believe in you. Like, well, whatever. Like, you know, you got to do the same thing. Like, fuck. Yo. You know what I mean? So, you know, like that. I heard, I heard. You got that from her, too. It's not like we don't see what's going on. Right. You know, but, you know, we know what we have. Right. And for everybody else, fuck them. Right. If they don't see, fuck them. Right. And like, you know. They don't see. This is worse. You know, like, this is. I'm not saying it's the worst decision, but for the career, you know, you see where, you know, I'm not. Right, right, right, right. But, you know, it's kind of the same thing with Canelo. Like, the worst thing they could have done is accepted the fact that you've got somebody that knows he's not, you know. Right. There's no doubt in his mind. Right. And, you know, feel wise. Like, you know, the Madrid guy was funny for us. There's a lot of people that don't know boxing that well. That guy's good. Yeah. This was a big fight. Yeah. You know, like, like, when the Madrid ball, like, he's young. He was in his 20s. Short. 300. And the height. And, you know, like, at the Olympics, like, those are for Cubans and people like that. Oh, yeah. Those are pros, right? Yeah. Like, that's high quality. He's high quality. Yeah. And, you know, two gold medals at 160. Wow. 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