Sean & Ewan Do Hard Things Body

A group of people participated in a grueling 15-mile race through the woods. They endured pain, struggle, and physical challenges, but felt proud of their accomplishment. The race consisted of five runs, and if participants didn't finish within the hour, they were out. Despite initial doubts, one person placed 12th out of over 100 participants, showcasing mental fortitude and character. The experience taught them the importance of pushing through difficult tasks and the support of a community. They also discussed the mindset needed for success and how it applies to other areas of life. So, it's Saturday morning, it's very early, it's cold, it's very wet, and we have a destination to go run 15 miles, over 5 hours, through the woods, through deep puddles and mud, wind, and we paid money to go do this. And what we signed up is that please let us feel the pain and the struggle and the strife and the gritting of the teeth, and when I say pain, I do mean pain. Kicking rocks is not fun, like, you can say this to yourself, oh they're kicking rocks. When you kick a rock, it hurts, my toes are bruised right now, these big boulders kicking up, people running next to us, and going through the woods, going downhill, tripping over roots, twisted ankles, knees aching, hips hurting, I'm describing right now, the 5 by 25, was it 5 by 25 or 5 by 15? 5 by 5. 5 by 5. And it's a race that we did in Arizona, Texas, and it was grueling, and it was absolutely excellent. So, to give a little bit of info for it, so, you have 5 runs to run, basically 3 miles each run, which adds up to just over 15 miles, and if you don't make it within that hour, then you're out. So, it's kind of a last man standing type thing. And first runs, second runs, third runs, they're all going well. Fourth runs, it's a whole different story. And I'm smiling, so I want to hear what you're thinking about this right now. I'm smiling ear to ear because, you know, one of the things, just 12 months ago, you know, we were out on the track going, can we run a mile? And, you know, just over this journey of the, like, run club and doing hard things and challenges and, you know, cold plunges and things that we keep putting ourselves, as far as these environments that we keep putting ourselves in, this was kind of the ultimate test. And when I reflect back, it puts the biggest smile on my face, of course, behind the scenes because I don't know if you would have ever signed up for something like this if it wasn't for, you know, having a Sean in your life or a Kendra in your life or the people that you've surrounded yourself with to inspire you, to empower you to do these things and level up and challenge and do hard things, right? And so, I think it's a beautiful thing. That's why I've got the biggest smile on my face because seeing you out of over 100 people, okay, Ewan's being super content or super humble right now, but out of 100 people, this man just started running less than 12 months ago, hadn't competed in probably two decades since college or even high school, this dude came in 12th place over 100 plus people. If that's not saying something as far as mental fortitude, character, what he believes in, doing hard things, I don't know what does. And so, that is why I've got a big smile on my face. And that makes me proud to call you a friend. Oh, man. Well, that means a lot, man. I keep forgetting about the places. I don't... We were just talking about this before the show started. Every time I think about that, I'm like, oh, that is kind of cool. I know that I've played somewhere. And, you know, to run it back there, I was like, well, I have done things like this before, but then I suddenly realized every one of those things I've done, you've all invited me to. It's like we were bug-runs. There are races like this. This is a race. This is a proper race. And so, would I do it on my own? Would I sign up on my own? No, probably not. You really kind of have to do hard things like playing rugby, CrossFit, all those things. I would put myself in those environments to compete because I don't know. I guess I connect and enjoy those. So, I'm drawn to that. But a mud run or this racing through the woods, up and down hills, that's not something I would be like, oh, I'm going to sign up for that. Yeah, it's out of the norm. And so, yeah, I'm very grateful that you invited me to do it. I wouldn't have done it otherwise. And I know myself, my mind, my body, I'll push through anything. That's always just been my mantra. So, I know if I sign up for that, I'll do it. That's all in my head. I know in my head that I can do it. But then actually doing it, experiencing it, it doesn't matter how much you know. Like, at least it ended up the same way I thought it would in my mind. But, like I say, it's one thing to know, but actually doing it and then how you feel afterwards is completely different than just knowing you can. Yeah. I don't know if you know what I'm saying there. Does that make sense? Yeah. That experience? Before going into the race and lining up, toe to toe, Saturday morning, it was 40 degrees outside, right? Wind, 15, 20 mile an hour winds. We were all freezing. It was muddy. It was wet. It was rainy. But we had our tribe there. We had our community there. We had our athletes there. We had our athletes there to support each other. And we all toed the line. And so I'm curious with you, what was going through your mind prior to the... They had actually a cannon. Remember the guy? He pulled the cannon. The cannon. The cannon. It was so loud. That made me jump. Yeah, me too. My heart rate spiked the highest at that moment, right? What was my mind thinking then? Yeah. Well, I was very curious. I didn't know what the terrain was going to be like. It's a 5K, three miles per lap. And so that first one, I was like, I want to go fairly quick. I want to go fast because I don't want to slow my time down by any means because what if it's easy? Yeah. So it was more just understanding. And it just ties into everything, man. I'm so glad you asked this question. If people who are not interested in running, stick with this because there's zero difference in what we're talking about. If there's something else, area in their life, like you want to get fit, you want to have the body that you want, or whatever you want to purify, or you want more money, or build a business, or be better at your job, or better in relationships like this, it's exactly the same thing that we're talking about right now. So that first lap, I dipped my toe in aggressively, right? So I could understand what was going on. The terrain was much higher. What if I can't complete the first lap? These people around me might be pros. It might be easy. What if I look like a fool by the end of this thinking I'm actually going to be able to complete it? So first lap, I was processing it when I got done. I was like, okay, I don't feel terrible. It wasn't easy, but it didn't kill me. I'm like, okay, first next thought was there's four more of these to go. What do I, how do I handle this? Do I speed up? Do I, how do I process it? How do I process it, basically? So the second lap was easier, probably the most enjoyable one. The third one was my fastest lap. And then right before the fourth lap, the guy starts the cannon, I can't remember if it was the cannon or if that ran out of powder. I think he was shutting it at one point. But he said, right before then, he's like, this is the hardest lap from what I've gathered, what people say. But now that's in my mind. So I'm like, I'm like getting my mind ready to rumble. Okay, the third lap, all right, I'll show the hardest lap. And so ran that one pretty well. And then I guess that made it, the fifth lap was the most diabolical for me. Like, that was, that was, that was tough because I pushed myself. I think I was fully drained at that point. So I feel like I gauged my energy levels well. Well, you, you, it was different for you. I remember you said that, like, what was, what was your, what was hard for you? At what point was it difficult? Oh, P.S. Champollion. Yeah. I'm sorry about being humble. He placed, so, yeah, third place. And it was by, like, very close minutes. And these guys have been running, they're triathletes, been running mud runs for a long time. So this is, like, Sean's third or fourth, you know. So the fact you're putting him in again is just phenomenal, dude. So congrats. Thanks, man. Yeah, so for me, it's like when I get in these environments, they, you know, it's, it's, we talk about it all the time, embracing the suck, enjoying the process. It's time to shine. It's time to execute. It's time to, whether you're, like, the way I look at it is, like, if I'm going to public speak, it's time to execute. Got to get my game face on, got to dial in. All the practice, all the process, all the journey that has led up to this point, like, this is where I need to dial in, focus in. And it's interesting because people around me, they have conversations, they're laughing, they're high-fiving, all this other stuff. I may do that for a second, but I'm going right back to, hey, I'm about to do whatever it takes to leave all, like, leave everything out there, right, for me. And that's how it is every lap. And so, lap one, I was just focused on learning the terrain, getting out there. And then also, too, I didn't say this behind the scenes, like, before the episode, but, like, I'm very big on, like, if I tow the line and I got, like, guys next to me, there's a reason if you study, like, you know, the greats, right, like, Kobe Bryant and, you know, athlete, athlete runners and people that compete. Typically, the people, the guys that, they're confident and they know, they're lining up in the front. And then the people that are less confident, they're lining up in the back. And so, I've learned to line up in the front, right, because now you know who you're typically going up against. You know the guy to the left, you're right. So, for me, it's like, I didn't focus on these guys. I didn't care, you know, where they came from. I just know, I can only control what I had done up until that point. And so, once you start running, you run that first race, you know who is beside you and you know who's out in front of you. I'm highly interested. You know, like, I look at it almost the same. How do you view what you just said about the run compared to business? I'm a big believer in winners focus, winners focus on winning and losers focus on the winners, right? Yeah, that's right. And so, like, I don't focus on the competitors. I don't focus on, and what I mean by that is like, yeah, I may size them up. I may look to my left and right and kind of see who I'm going up against, right? But I don't focus on them the entire race. I don't focus on where they're at. I can only focus on what I'm doing. Where are my steps? How's my form? How am I feeling? What's my carb intake? What's my nutrition like? How am I feeling right now? Preparation. Everything during the race. Same thing with building a company. Same thing with building a business. I don't focus on my competitors 99.9% of the time, seven days a week. However, I'm aware of my competitors, just like when me and you were playing racquetball, building a business, competing in high rocks, in these competitions. I'm aware of my surroundings. The guys that beat me, one and two spot, every single time I go up to them and say, hey, I tip my hat to you, and I pick their brain. Right? Because you want to be the best, you go hang out with the best. Anyone who beats me in sales or whatever, they're the main guys I talk to. I love talking to them. And I will. Because innately I know I will beat anybody at anything over a long period of time. Does that mean that's true? In reality, I don't know, right? But in my mind, I believe. And so the game is always on. It's never over. And I will just continue. And I use them as a barometer. What are they doing compared to at least that some form of a gauge, right? They're doing this, this, and this. Am I doing that yet? Oh, I'm not doing that. I need to up my game. And also I'm doing things that they might not be doing, right? So I'm building my repertoire. All for me. Nothing for them. But just I use them as a barometer. Do you feel the same way? Yeah. As far as, I guess like you just said, learning new things. Yeah. Like you're picking their brains to be like, well, what's working for them so I can improve? One of the things I did with building, yeah, absolutely. One of the things I did with the insurance business, building it, was, you know, I'm very big on like new business and retention, right? That's the lifeline of a business. You've got to grow and you've got to retain your customers, right? And so one of the things that insurance agents struggled with building their businesses was retention because it's so saturated. It's such a saturated market out there. And so one of the things, instead of concentrating all my time, energy, and effort on what my competitors were doing, I only focused on what I was doing well, double down, triple down on that, and then I would pick a part, use the barometer, use a filter, and find out what they were doing really well. GEICO, they did a fantastic job at retaining customers. So basically a customer would call in. They would say, hey, I need to cancel. I'm going with this other insurance agency. And GEICO, the representative would be on the end of the phone and be like, well, you know, what brings you to this phone call? What made you, what tripped you? It was like, well, I'm tired of these rates keep going up. Okay, well, let's take a look at that for you. Are you open? You got a couple minutes? The last customer we helped out saved 50 bucks a month, right? So they are very aggressive on retaining that customer and solving the problem, whereas most insurance agents, they're saying, okay, no problem. Hang up. Click. We'll cancel your policy. They make it personal. They make it personal. They're upset. They're mad. Whereas, yeah, you have to focus on solving, and that's the biggest thing is what's the solution here? Just like with the race this weekend, like I could have been mad, oh, I'm third place, right? But instead, no, these guys, I did everything. Where Sean has gotten where he is today with his hybrid athlete, with his running, that's where it's at. The guys that are at number one and two, those are the who's who can help him get to where he needs to go, right? And what does it come down to? Is it nutrition? Do they have something that I don't know? But I'm not focused on that during the process, right, or the event. I'm focused on that after because that's sailing forward. You understand? Same thing with building a business. Is there any element of, because this isn't your, what we just did Saturday is not your main sport. It's not your main thing that you focus on. No. It's just something we kind of randomly did. Now, we've got this marathon coming up. That's different for me. Yeah. That has got a lot more, there are some nerves there because I put a target for me to beat four hours. Yep. And my training is right on the cusp of maybe I could, maybe I can't, right? And I'm not saying that out of trying to protect myself from losing or not. I'm very logical when it comes to that. You have to put in X amount of training. You have to be able to do this long enough at this level to be able to get that time. And so I'm engaging myself. All right. Do I have to put in a year of effort to get this, which I think I will have to, which will be pushing the limits, which I'm very excited about. But for this Saturday, and I have to say that for you as well on the marathon and for HIROX, which is something you take all the more seriously. Yeah. What you want. And saying that those guys that put in, we said this, they can push the sled one time on HIROX. They probably just couldn't do it. They're not trained for it. They're trained runners. You're doing this. We all use this kind of a training block for the marathon. And so when you see them doing that, HIROX is your main focus. You tie all that in together. Yep. What do I need to do to be first there? Does that impact this thing over here? How do you think about that? Yeah. I think it comes down to the individual. It's personalized, right? And so what I mean by that is what's important to you? And if it's important to you, you're going to find a way to make it happen. And so for me, podium is important to me. It's a scorecard. Just like I'm running a business, I want to be profitable. I want to be positive cash flow. Those are scorecards to me. So podium is like that for me when I race. Whether it's HIROX, whether that's marathons, whether that's events like this that we just ran, whether that's CG competitions. If I podium, it's a scorecard to me. Well, just to jump in there, I'm so curious. Because I see money. I have zero interest in money. Not that I'm very interested in money, but it's just a scorecard. I was taught that a long time ago from a mentor. And I've seen it a long time and realized, oh, people think money, oh, to have that car and a house and all that. Man, that's just dumb. So, man, if you haven't thought that yet, we need to talk. I'm talking to whoever's interested in that. Because it's a curse to think like that. Money is just, well, money, for the most part, is more value. Like you're impacting more people. More solutions to people. It's a byproduct. Yeah, it's a byproduct. So you gauge it, how well did I do this year? If the money went down, what happened? And what can I do to bring more value? Because a consequence of more value is more money. So when you're thinking podium, I was thinking, I never thought about it like that before. So that is your scorecard. How do you tie that in? Can you explain that? Because it's got to be different to a certain degree. But yeah, what's your thought? Is it just a gauge for yourself on how you're doing on your training or overall? Yeah, overall. So just training overall, because the fact of the matter is, the work behind the scenes is where you're putting in the hours of training. And so if you're typically being on a podium, or even if you're a cash-flowing business, and you're a business owner and entrepreneur, and you're cash-flowing net profit margins, and business is working like a well-oiled machine, and you've got financial freedom and all these different things, if you tell me that and I see that on paper, I know what that takes and I know what you've done behind the scenes. So what that is, it's forward progress. And so for me, tying the podium is knowing that all this work, all this energy, all this time, all this effort, all this sweat equity that I'm putting in behind the scenes, yes, it's good for my health overall. That's the macro picture of things, because that's what allows me to keep showing up and do the things that I enjoy doing, which helps it stay sustainable, that compelling nature. But we're human beings. As human beings, we have to have that compelling, we have to have that progress forward. And so if I'm not, like you said, with... Annual income, basically. Yes, exactly. And that's all it is for me. It's like, okay, well, I podiumed last time. Why didn't I this time? Well, there's new competitors. I didn't put in the same amount of training block. Getting older. Getting older, right. You shift. Maybe it's, yeah, you change categories. So the way I look at... Age is just a number. So people come to me all the time, I cannot stand it, dude. I'll be 70 years old, I'll still be competing, I'll still blow a 30-year-old out. That's the way my mindset works. When you podium, how will you... And I know you'll handle it just right, because you've been competing for so long. When you can't podium anymore and you're older, we've never talked about this before, what would you do? Because I think about this myself, too. I'm like, there's gonna be a moment. Because I think my 50-year-old self will beat this guy today. That's my plan. I think my 55-year-old could possibly do it. But when I'm 60, can he do the weights that I'm lifting today? 50, 65, 70? It's gonna start to deteriorate at some point. I'll still be doing it to the best of my ability. And my goal is to be beating it, but how will you process that? I think it's the same thing as... Think about the... I heard there's a pie chart out there. We're in a generational wealth shift, meaning half of the population is baby boomers, and so they basically own all the wealth. Half of it. And then a small percentage of that is millennials. Another is Generation X. So it's an interesting pie chart. But in my mind, it's like all these baby boomers. They're tired. They're exhausted. They're fatigued. What fascinates me as a 36-year-old is why. I know 20-year-olds that say the same thing. They're tired. They're exhausted. They're fatigued. Why? There's an explanation behind that. I'm at 36 feeling like an 18-year-old. Exactly. So that's what fascinates me. So you say podium at 60. I'm thinking like, yeah, I am. Now, I may not be going up against the Sean at 36, but with another 60-year-old... 100%. It's the same thing with a business, right? Like I'm not comparing my business to, yeah, Elon Musk or Amazon Jeff Bezos. Exactly. If you're comparing, then you're focused on the wrong things. You're focused on envy. You're focused on what you don't have. That's the external forces. I hope people are listening to that. This is going to you if you're in your car, or your iPhone, or your Ron, or whatever. That's so important right there. That's how you can enjoy your life. That's how you get fulfillment. And not, oh, I'm still not there yet. Man, I'm still not there. That means you're not present today. Put it on yourself. Get to where you want to go. Because, man, some people might be never around before. This has got nothing to do with me. But, man, who's to say that you're not running in a year's time or doing something? Because we're talking about hard things. Doing hard things is why we're talking about this today, right? It's what it does for you, the consequences, the benefits. And the enjoyment and fulfillment of this is what life is, right? I mean, what else is there? Because we're talking about the same relationships. It's hard to acknowledge fault in an argument. It's very hard to say, you know what, I'm wrong, you're right. Especially in the moment. So doing hard things allows you to do more hard things, right? You're totally dipping into that. And you might be really good at something, you know what I mean? And you might be terrible at something somewhere else, but you can leverage, you can borrow. Okay, what did I do there? I know I have the confidence that I can do that, which means maybe I have the confidence that I can do this over here too. And I haven't even started yet, you know? So, to me, it all relates. Yeah, so doing hard things, my book is still not delivered yet, but, man, if you've got something to speak to, is there anything from the book that you've pulled that just lines up with what we're talking about to kind of wrap it up here? Yeah, so the funny thing is, all my friends know, my inner circle know, and even social media. It's like, when I see something that I believe in or read something, I like to share it with all the people that want to listen, right? Followers, listeners, and maybe even listening to this. And so what's funny is, I told everybody, right? You, Isaiah, everybody went out and got this book. And even I was talking to Michelle about it at the Races Saturday. I was like, dude, you've got to get this book. And she's like, well, I've seen somebody. Somebody else mentioned this book. I'm like, oh, really? She's like, where? Facebook. I was like, when? Last week. I was like, that was me. I posted about it. She started laughing. She's like, yeah, you're probably right. And so, well, the funny thing is, you know, Nick talked about it on his podcast, and I was like, you know, he got this book, Do Hard Things. I was like, I looked it up on Amazon, and I purchased it. It cost like $12, got it in the mail, and it said for teenagers. So I was like, what is this? I was like, I'm not a teenager. I started reading it, right? And I was like, you know, because it says do hard things. I'm all about doing hard things and understanding, like, if you do hard things, I understand who you need to become and what you need to become to get to, you know, overcoming those obstacles and those challenges. And so I started reading this book, and it was all for teenagers. Well, then I was like, is this – am I on the right book right now? And I went back to Amazon. I think I got the wrong Do Hard Things. There you go. There's another book by another author. It's a yellow front. It's like a whiter yellow front. It's a blue front. Yes. And so I was buying it. I was like, oh, I didn't know this. But I'm very grateful. Me too. Just for what you said about it because now it's on the schedule for me and my kids and my wife to read it together, which I'm very excited about because I talk to them all the time about hard things, so this book is really going to be able to back me up. You know what I mean? It's not just their old man saying it, like, oh, thanks a bunch, Dad. It's going to be like, no, here's the – they love to read, you know, so I'm really excited about it. It's for teenagers, but, however, the same principles and fundamentals apply, right? Everything – exactly. It's seven years old. That's right. And the principles of doing hard things at 14 is different when you're 17. Nope. Yeah. I mean, it's not true. Exactly. And so, yeah, it's a beautiful place, especially if you're listening to this and you have kids or even one getting into a teenager, we can drop the link in the show notes. But, man, it's been a game changer about three-quarters of the way through, but it talks about how, like, you know, the teenagers this day and age, they're very content, very complacent. You know, hey, you're a kid. Live your life. You've got plenty of time. All this other stuff. Well, what does that do to their mindset? Well, that tells them, oh, okay, yeah, I've got plenty of time. I can be content, man. I can just, you know, sit on the couch and eat Cheetos and watch Netflix all day. Right? Well, the problem with that is what are you training your mind to do? And those two 21-year-olds come up, and they struggle through that race. Yeah. I was super proud of them because I knew they had the training. So it didn't matter the age, but we smoked them. That's right. But I know if they – maybe they opened their minds up to, man, I did that thing. Yeah. And the youngest kid that completed all five laps, 15 miles, 8 years old, I told my 8-year-old son that, and he whipped his head around like, what? Like, he was mad. I didn't invite him. Yeah. Wow. I was like, oh, man, I'd love to see the look in his eyes. He was like, what do you mean? He was like, what was his name? Really? I said, would you want to do that? He said, I'm in the next one. I was like, okay. Let's go. Yeah. I was like, I don't know what to do with this because, like, I want to become a member of the Carilion family, man, but if they love it, yeah, I would, you know, so. Do hard things, brother. I would love to see Kel do it. Yeah. Kel, no pressure. Hey, B.S., before we wrap up, she turned the hot water slightly cold yesterday. Come on. Yeah. Did she really? She did. I was like, what? Let's go. Yeah, just a little cold, and I turned it right off. I was like, but that's your – you were getting into it, right? You never would have done that before. That was her hard thing. Yep. That's right. It's a whole different level of responsible for her to be cold because she's cold natured, you know, and so she did it. It's not about the temperature. It's about the decision to turn the handle. Yeah. So I was really super proud of her. That's so awesome, man. Just keep talking about we're doing more hard things and more people are doing hard things, and it's just beautiful to see, man. Yeah. Everyone around is feeling good. Yes. Everyone feels confident. It's amazing to see just in our community and, like, our text messages in our groups and stuff like that, just by putting the word out there and by putting that language and showing up as that person and doing the hard thing, just the cold water. And watch your kids. Watch your community. Watch everybody around you. When you even have the conversations with a friend at church or a friend, you know, over coffee, they're like, wait, you did what? Right? To them, they may go, oh, my gosh, I could never do that. But now it's a mustard seed in their mind. Well, if Kel did it, I can do it. Yeah. Right? And I think it's such a beautiful thing. You become, like, you do what other people around you are doing. It's just more proof. Like, our mastermind group, this, the whole writing thing, like, you know, in our group, she's saying more and more stuff. Yeah. And then seeing her run Saturday, and, yeah, I'm just super impressed. Like, she's shining an example. And there's a bunch of us. Everyone's doing that. Everyone's saying more. Like, doing more. Showing their times. Improving. And I know it's going to lead to more hard things for them. Especially if you're leveling up and living. Yeah. Yeah, man. So, it was a beautiful weekend. Look forward to many more things like this to come. And, yeah, any final words? Yeah, man. I'll just say this. Like, you, I feel like we all are the bottleneck in our own lives. And what I mean by that is, is, like, the people around you, like your best friend, your business partner, your spouse, your kids, even your tribe, your inner circle, that one or two people, you are the average of the five people you hang around. And so, with that being said, is, if you are a leader, and I know if you're listening to this, you're wanting to level up and live. And what that looks like is working on becoming the best version of yourself. And what that looks like is doing hard things. Getting outside of your comfort zone. Embracing the uncertainty, just like you and did with this mud run. Oh, it's a mud run. And so, you said it in your language earlier, like, do I want my kids doing the mud run? And the way I look at it is, it's not just about the mud run. Because how you do one thing is how you do everything. So, if they can show up and do that, they can apply that same fundamental, that same principle. Well, I don't want to go run in the mud. I don't want to run a Spartan race. I don't look at it like that. I look at it as, well, it's the obstacles. It's the challenges. It's the pushing beyond your limits. Because that shows up in other areas of your life. Right? When I want to... You don't want to. Exactly. I don't... And so, it's a mindset shift. Right? It's not about the... Yeah, sure. It's wet. It's muddy. It's a Saturday. I can do this. And somebody else is thinking that. That they don't want to do that. And they want to eat Cheetos on their couch in the warm, fuzzy coast. Cool. I'm going to keep doing this. Hard things. Because I know this is... Where is it going to get me good? So that when it does get hard... Yes. Because it's not if, but when. I already signed up for this. So, this is just nothing. If this was a... If this was a difficult situation I was in right now, and someone said, I had to sign up a hundred bucks to come be in this tough situation, I might look at that and be like, alright, give me my problem that I currently have. I'll actually voluntarily sign up for that just to see how I handle it. I've never thought about it like that before. Yes. It's failing forward. Right? And so, sure, you may not... Because so many people are tied to the outcome. They're tied to, sure, I may be, oh, I've got to have the podium. Right? It's going to be nice to have. I want that competitive advantage, or that competitive edge. And I do, ultimately, want that podium. But, the difference is, if I don't get that outcome, I'm not tied to it. I'm not all consumed, meaning I'm going to be depressed, I'm going to be angry, frustrated. Right? Instead, what did I do when I didn't get first and second place on Saturday? I went up and talked to the guy, shook his hand. Exactly. What did you do differently? And what really made me mad is he told me he didn't run as much as I did, but he was also cycling and doing some other things. So, but it told me, it's like, there's just not one way to do things. And that's a beautiful thing. It's... And everybody's got their different, you know, personalized journey on how they show up. And so, yeah, man. Good times. Good times. No doubt. Yeah. No doubt. Level up and live, baby.