S1 x E7 Lisa McVey

Lisa McVeigh experienced a difficult life from a young age, living in foster homes due to her mother's addiction. At 14, she moved in with her grandmother and endured ongoing sexual abuse from her grandmother's boyfriend. When she was 17, she decided to end her life but was kidnapped by an attacker while riding her bike home from work. Despite being blindfolded and bound, Lisa managed to gather information about her surroundings and the attacker. She left fingerprints and engaged in conversation with him, eventually getting him to confess. She also heard news reports about her disappearance, leading her to change tactics and cry, hoping to gain sympathy and survive. The ordeal lasted for about 26 hours. Welcome to Serials and Schemes. I'm Sam and I'm Sandy. This is a true crime interpreter podcast. Our podcast is intended for mature audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Hi everyone and welcome back to Serials and Schemes. If you're new here, hi I'm Sandy and I'm Sam. Today I'm going to be getting into the case of Lisa McVeigh. As always, trigger warnings apply. There are sexual abuse and violence themes throughout. Lisa McVeigh was born in March of 1967 and was introduced to a difficult life from a very young age. Her mother unfortunately struggled with alcohol and drug addiction, which meant she was unable to care for Lisa and her sister, forcing them to live in many foster homes when they were growing up. And obviously kids who are in the system do have a very, very tough life. When Lisa was 14, she was sent to live with her grandmother, who lived in Tampa, Florida, and also living with them was her grandmother's boyfriend. Unfortunately this would not be a good thing. After all the instability from moving to many foster homes, Lisa would not find safety and stability after moving to her grandmother's home. Sadly, Lisa was subject to an ongoing sexual abuse at the hands of her grandmother's boyfriend. This went on for about three or four years. She tried to tell her grandmother and her mother about the abuse and they responded by telling Lisa off, saying that she should be grateful that someone has finally taken her in and provided her with her own bedroom and a home. It was hopeless. The people that were meant to protect her just sat idly by. Literally many articles say that not only did Lisa's grandmother condone the abuse, but she often stood and watched as it happened. Which is pretty fucking disgusting, to be honest. It's disgusting for anybody to be condoning and watching except your grandma. When I read that, I was like, this is depraved and fucking evil. And at this point she's 14 to 15 years old, you know. So in 1984, Lisa was a teenager at this age, she would have been about 17, and she had a job working at Krispy Kreme. For those who don't know, Krispy Kreme is a donut place. Who doesn't know about Krispy Kreme? I don't know, are there countries where Krispy Kreme doesn't exist? I feel like it only came to New Zealand like, less than 10 years ago. Because New Zealand was tiny, but... Krispy Kreme's American, eh? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think most people know what it is. Anyone that has watched movies, probably. Sorry for mansplaining what Krispy Kreme is. It is delicious, though. Yes, can confirm. Donuts, can confirm. Anyway, various articles state that while on her shift at work, Lisa actually began to write her suicide note. She decided that she was done with this life and that she was played an unfair hand. Yeah, you're not fair. Yeah, she didn't feel loved, cared for, protected. So her plan was when she finished work, she would head home and end her life. Lisa finished her shift that day at Krispy Kreme at 2 a.m. and got on her bike to ride home. She had just worked a double shift and many reports say that she willingly stayed for this double shift so she wouldn't have to go home to her house of horrors where she was traumatized on a daily basis. And also, maybe deep down, she didn't actually want to face the reality of what she had decided for herself. Yeah. So while she was riding home, again, it was about 2 a.m. so it was quite dark. She was riding, like, bike ride? Yeah. Someone grabbed her from behind and pulled her off her bicycle. She began to scream and the attacker held her down to her head, saying, quote, shut up or I'll blow your brains out. He then tied her hands and feet and he also blindfolded her before throwing her into his car. So, like, literally after all the shit she's been through, she's been sexually abused, she's been bounced around from foster home to foster home and, you know, like, she's already known that her family's let her down. Yeah. And now, on the night that she decides to kill herself, like, literally end her life, someone decides to, like, take her freedom from her as well. So, like many of us, Lisa was a true crime fan. She consumed a lot of, like, true crime TV shows. This would actually help her a lot. I don't know how she went to the test base. The man, like, the fact that she had the strength to even think of this, she began to tighten and relax her jaw, the muscles in her face, which would cause movement in the blindfold. This allowed a small peek through her blindfold, allowing her to identify that the car was a red color. After she was being thrown in the car, she could identify that this was a Dodge Magnum or a Dodge, sorry. She knew what was coming next after being thrown into the car. Sexual assault. Yeah, but she's lived it, right? Yeah, and she was right. But Lisa, being as calm and as strong as she was, while she was in the car and the assault was taking place, she began to take note of anything she could about her surroundings and any details that she could take in. After the assault, she was kind of hoping that the attacker would let her go, because, you know, like, in her mind, she said, it's over with me. Surely this is done. Yeah. But he got into the front seat and began driving off with her still in the back seat. Oh, he did that in the car? Yeah, he threw her into the car, and then the assault takes place. He climbs into the front, he takes off, and she is still in the back seat, bound and blindfolded. She began to take mental notes of everything she could, how many minutes they were driving for. She noted that they were driving in the direction of north, and she even counted how many steps it took once the attacker parked the car and was carrying her to what she assumed was his home. Clever. This also included counting, when she felt him going upstairs, how many steps she would maybe need to run down in the event that she had an opportunity to escape. That's, like, to me, that's wild. She was in survival mode. But fully, fully survival mode. She was, like, able to calmly comprehend what was the next step, essentially. Yeah. Like, that's pretty, yeah. I guess when that's happening, it must be, like, a slow-motion thing for them. You know, like, they are able, you know, when my son, he fell out of a tree, and he said, oh, yeah, when I was falling, I rolled, and I was like, can't you have time to roll, do anything? He's like, I don't have time to slow down. He's like, I rolled and landed on my back. And I'm like, why was that where your head went? Oh, he's like, because I didn't want to break my arm. And I was like, yeah, cool. So you could have paralyzed yourself. So we just discussed that. But it was interesting, like, how he said, it slowed down. He said, I could turn, I could do things. I wonder if, in that same, you know, when you're falling out of a tree, it's, you know, how do I, for him, he was like, how do I get less hurt? And he thought back. But he was only a kid. But I guess in some way, you're kind of going, how do I manage? Yeah. And it's sort of slows it all down. I think that's applied to like a lot of things. Even when you get into like a, like a physical altercation or an argument with someone, it does feel like time slows down. And I wonder if that's the human body's way of helping you in those, like, split seconds that you've got. Yeah. Unfortunately, this was the beginning of a hellish and traumatic torment of sexual and physical abuse. Lisa's attacker assaulted and beat her repeatedly at gunpoint. While she was tied up and blindfolded, and what she assumed was his home, she heard a news report on TV about her being missing. This made her think, I watched True Crime. I know how this ends. I'm going to die. And this made her realize just how much she wanted to live. Yeah. On the day that she had decided, I mean, a horrible way to be told that your presence on earth is still required, but we got the message across, didn't it? Isn't that crazy, though? It was just a random twist. That whole, that whole thing is just so random. So, Lisa decided that if she was going to die, her murder wouldn't be unsolved. She would make sure that her attacker was caught. So at some stage, she asked her if she could use the bathroom and he refused. So she said, like, if you don't let me go to the toilet, I'm going to piss in your bed, like, right here, right now. So he eventually allowed her to use the bathroom. And while she was in there, she touched as many surfaces as she could, like, even obscure surfaces, like, you know, the steamer of the toilet, like, she touched the mirror, the wall, the basin. She even, like, started leaving fingerprints all throughout his house, like, on chairs, any surfaces she could touch. Clever girl. Clever girl. Very clever. True crime consumers, like, just, you know, something to be said for people who are into that. Lisa kept her composure the entire time. She even began conversing with him, attempting to, like, get him to open up to her and talk to her about his past. She even began asking, like, why was he doing all this to her? And he did end up confessing that he was going through a really bad breakup and he was punishing women as a collector. Oh, well, that's okay then, I suppose. I mean, as long as you've got an excuse. Well, if you've pissed off a woman, then that seems like a... Yeah, grab a 17-year-old off the side of the road. Totally. Easy. Like, this is why the whole, why we're mentored is there. Right. You know? Yep. This is in Florida? Yeah, Tampa. It always happens in Florida. In one of her conversations with her assailant, Lisa realized that she needed to change tactics, so she began to cry after hearing another news report about him being missing. So, how many days is this now, like? Oh, this is 26 hours. Okay. So, she's with him for about 26. Okay. So, within that same day, they've reported him missing. I think maybe on different news channels? Yeah. Which is random, though, like, her family, I mean, I guess they're using her. But they clearly don't give a shit about her. No. But they're out there reporting that she's missing. Oh, just you and me. Oh, okay. So, she switches tactics and she is trying to get deeper with him and opening up about herself now. So, when I say opening up, she makes it up to him. Yeah. So, the news report comes on, she starts crying, and the attacker puts the gun to her head, saying, don't let me kill you. Lisa began to make up a story that she was crying because she was worried about her father, who was really sick, and she was his sole caregiver. She told the attacker that she feared that he would die of a broken heart if she didn't return to him. It's reported that Lisa chose this tactic because she could sense that at some point in his life, he too suffered from abuse, and this could potentially tug on some of his heartstrings. Yeah. Provided he had any heartstrings. Yeah. Now, it's said that the news reports about Lisa being missing frequently attack her out because, apparently, Lisa also told him she was older than what she was. So, he found out through the news report that she was missing and that she was 17. Yeah. Yeah. So, that's the line, though. Underage girls, that's the line. Yeah. Right. Everyone has a line. Why did she say that she was older in the first place? Well, while he was freaking out, it looks like around 3 a.m., he asked Lisa, quote, what should I do with you? So, 3 a.m. So, on that same night. So, an hour after. No, this is, I think, maybe. No, this is probably after. This is three, four hours later. Okay. Because she left us again at 2 a.m. Yeah. So, three hours later. Okay. So, he asked Lisa, what should I do with you? And Lisa very cleverly used reverse psychology on him, telling him that he was a good man and that she could be his girlfriend and take care of him and that no one would need to know how they met. But he would see her pacing around the room and muttering to himself and asking where she lived. Lisa was hopeful and could feel that after 26 long hours, freedom could be close. She gave her attacker a fake address and he ended up giving her another woman's shirt to wear before hauling her back into the car and they took off. So, while driving, Lisa could tell that the attacker was becoming increasingly stressed because he was angrily muttering and yelling at himself. Through a small gap in his blindfold, she was able to recognize the streets she was near and she actually calmly asked him, like, where are we now? And he answered. So, she said, perfect. We're really close. You could do a U-turn and just drop me off here. And he actually went throughout and said, quote, tell your father he's the reason I didn't kill you. Jesus. Yeah. Lisa was instructed to wait about five minutes before running off. Lisa said that these five minutes would feel like five years. So, she ran home to her grandmother's house where she was met by her grandmother's piece of shit boyfriend. Yeah. Who ended up beating the fuck out of her because he thought that she was cheating on him. I can't. So, hence, probably the missing person's report was probably because he was like, where is my concubine? I just can't. Disgusting. But, like, I'm still, like, caught up on the grandmother thing. I know. You're talking and all I'm seeing is this, but I'm seeing her as this, like, broad lady. Yeah, she's not. She's probably, like, 45. Yeah. I just can't. But also. But it doesn't matter how old of a grandmother we are. Yeah, I just, I've read this case back to front. I've read so many articles about it. I've, I just, I just can't wrap my head around the grandma thing. I really can't. I don't know. Super confused. Like, the grandmother and the mother were still on speaking terms and. I'm not 100% sure. That wasn't very clear. From what I know, though, she basically couldn't take care of her kids. Yeah. And to be foster homes and eventually she was placed with her grandmother. Yeah. There's nothing about her sister being placed there as well. So weird. Yeah. Okay. So, obviously, neither the grandmother or the boyfriend believed that she had been kidnapped. Lisa's grandmother did, however, call the police. And before you get your hopes up and think this is, like, a coming to Jesus moment where she believes her granddaughter or that she starts to think that her boyfriend might actually be a predator, it was just to actually let the police know that she's back now. You don't need to. Don't have to search anymore. Search for her anymore. Luckily, though, the police wanted to continue investigating the situation. And Lisa sat with a female investigator and explained her story and told her everything. Yeah. She calmly recounted lots of details and, like, there was, like, no emotion behind it. I think she was just, like, calmly reiterating what happened. The female investigator actually ended up, like, not believing her at all and made her recount the story over and over again. But you're going to love this. And eventually, Lisa refused to recount the story anymore and said, quote, no, bring in someone more intelligent. Yes. That is such a slay. At 17, saying that to an authoritative figure, that's pretty badass. Yeah. So, yes, girl. Yeah. Honestly, like, go off. Yeah. Awesome. So, the next day, Lisa spoke with Sergeant Mary Pinkerton, who was the official in charge of sex crimes at that department. Yes. And he believed her. Like, the first person in her entire life. Yes. So, a few days after Lisa returned home from her kidnapping, the local news reported that another body of a young woman had been found in the Tampa Bay area. Lisa heard the story unfold on TV at her grandmother's house and she immediately picked up the phone and called Sergeant Pinkerton because she believed whoever committed that murder was the same man who abducted her. Sergeant Pinkerton contacted the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office and connected Lisa with the deputies who were investigating the murders. During the investigation, Sergeant Pinkerton asked if Lisa would be willing to do hypnosis to see if she could, if it could help her remember any more details. What other details did they, like, what he looked like and things like that? Yeah. Was she blindfolded the whole time in his house? No. Because she was in the toilet. Yes. From what I understand, there were moments where she was not blindfolded in the house, but I think, I think for a while she probably was. Yeah. So, because she was a minor, she would need parental consent to undergo the hypnosis. Right. And her grandmother's boyfriend refused to allow Lisa to do it. I wonder why. Probably really worried about what they would uncover. Yeah. I don't know. He probably didn't think he was doing anything wrong. Like, you've got grandma there going, ah, totally fine. Yeah. And Lisa's not saying anything because she's lucky. Yeah. She's got a house and food. And she's got no one, no adult that is willing to hear her side or stand up for her. Yeah. So. Yeah. No. It's pretty, I'm still, you know, I'm still stuck on the grandma thing. Yeah. It will be for all time. Yeah. Yeah. So, because of the grandmother's boyfriend's reaction to the request, Sergeant Ferguson was pretty confused and concerned. Yeah. Which prompted him to ask Lisa about why this may be the case. Yeah. She broke down in tears, opening up about the sexual abuse that she experienced while living at her grandmother's house, and how she suffered abuse at the hands of her grandmother's boyfriend, and how she actually condoned all the actions. That remains so hard. A hundred percent. When you've been told how lucky you are, as well, and 17, like, you're just a kid. And then, if it was grown up for three or four years, she would have been 13 or 14 when it started. Yeah. And also, all of that, like, foster care, that grows you up pretty quick. A hundred percent. Yeah. Police soon after arrested her abuser, and it was arranged for her to live in a centre for runaway teenagers. Right. So, effectively, foster care, but all in one place, rather than, like, more like a... I think it's more like a community housing. Halfway housing. Halfway housing. Yeah. Or, like, even, like, a shelter versus foster care. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But now, on to her attacker. As the police began to close in on discovering his identity, Sergeant Pickerton showed Lisa a series of pictures of potential suspects, and based on the features she felt with her hands during the abduction, she was actually able to identify him. Wow. That's clever. She's remarkable. Yeah. Like, I have the utmost respect for her, like, having researched this case. And, you know, I'd be so proud of anyone that had been able to do that through that, but then I keep remembering that she's only 17. She's only 17 years old. And she's like, got it. Yeah. Got this. It's just, like, it's crazy, though, because she literally had no room to live. Yeah. Like, 26 hours before all of this. Now look at her fighting. Mm-hmm. Totally. With Lisa's help, the police retraced the drive where she thought her assailant took her before releasing her. They found an ATM that he used and cross-referenced all the Dodge Magnums in Florida, along with the names found in the ATM, leading them to one Robert Joseph Long, otherwise known as Bobby Joe Long, who was born on October 14th of 1953 in Canova, West Virginia. All the energy I'm willing to give on Bobby Joe. Can I have? Yeah. Why not? You're wasting your time. Okay. So 12 days after kidnapping Lisa McVeigh, Bobby Joe Long was finally arrested on November 16th of 1984 outside a movie theater. Unfortunately, his arrest would come too late for two more victims, whose lives he stole in those 12 days. Wow. Their names were Virginia Lee Johnson, who was only 18 years old, and Kim Marie Swan, who was 21. At the time of his arrest, Bobby was wanted in three Tampa Bay jurisdictions. One of the major pieces of evidence that linked Bobby to the woman he murdered was the red carpet fibers from his car that were found on the victim's bodies and on Lisa's clothes. I'll bet she was lying. Yes. Exactly. And having said that, despite all of the doubt and disbelief people cast on her story, Lisa did not shy away from telling people what had happened to her. Yeah. And now there was concrete evidence that she had always been telling the truth. Honestly, this is why girls don't come forward. Yeah. Your own family don't believe you. Police don't believe you. What are you supposed to do? Right. And it was the 80s as well. It was a different time. 100%. But my, how we have not grown in that area. That's what's sad. I see clips all the time of the way that police speak to people that they need to be helping. Yeah. In present day. And it's like, still, this is why women shut up about sexual assault. Yeah. We don't come clean about it. The same thing happens in the courts. The way they speak to them. Yeah. But you wanted it, eh? But you wanted it. Like, even just looking at like last, was it last year or the year before where there was a 19 year old that was on a home arrest for having raped three underage girls. Yeah. And had name suppression. Yeah. All because he was a young man and wanted to ruin his future. Yeah. Yeah. Don't worry about the future that you've ruined yourself by doing this to these girls. Mm-hmm. It's just, it's just a signal. So after Bobby's arrest, he confessed to taking the lives of nine women and raping many others. The murders took place over the course of nine months throughout the Tampa Bay area in 1984. Before he began his killing spree, he lured women through, oh my God, it makes me feel sick. He lured women through classified ads in 1981, which resulted in him robbing and raping them. And these attacks took place in Fort Lauderdale in Miami, where he would be known as the classified ad racist. Wow. And this is why birth control is important. Just letting some of y'all know. He should have been swallowed. Mm-hmm. And then spat out. Well, mess it up. Thank you. That's what I meant to say. Oh, okay. Anyway, Bobby Jo Long was tried and convicted of rape in 1981, but the charges were dropped when he was granted a new trial. And in that time, he moved to Tampa Bay in 1983. Sorry, in 1981. Mm-hmm. Now it's going to sound awful when I say just, but when he moved to Tampa Bay in 1983, he was convicted of rape. He was convicted of rape. He was convicted of rape. He was convicted of rape. 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