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The transcription discusses the comparison between living in the U.S. and Europe, focusing on economic mobility and the struggles immigrants face. The speaker, a Jamaican, shares insights on the challenges and realities of immigrating for financial reasons. They mention the importance of understanding the true nature of living abroad and the responsibilities immigrants have towards their families. The speaker emphasizes the differences in lifestyle between the Caribbean and the U.S., highlighting the ability to "finesse life" in the Caribbean due to easier access to resources like food. Ultimately, the speaker questions the reasons for leaving home and challenges the idea of seeking a better life abroad. Alright, I don't know who wants to go first. Alright, hold up. I need to stop my video, but let's keep going. Alright. Alright, let me get my way out. Alright, we'll just start right there. Everybody, okay. Alright, we'll just start with what? The video we just watched about what? About the European guy that's saying that people from the United States shouldn't come to Europe because there's no economic mobility here. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. Alright, well, I don't know. It's not really surprising for me. That's why I'm not really shocked by it. As somebody that's Jamaican, you know, by birth, and a lot of Jamaicans, it's a trope that a lot of Jamaicans that are here, it's all over TikTok, you know, talk about the notion that the U.S. is not what it stands for today. I'm pretty sure that's what it stands for in Europe. Europe is not all that it stands for. There is monetary ability to, you know, uplift yourself. There's a bunch of other burdens that come with it that are unforeseen in the Caribbean. So, yeah, honestly, I agree and I disagree. I agree because, yes, their economic activity is better in the country. But I disagree because, once again, people only come here for money. Most people only come here for money. And the vast majority of immigrants that come to the U.S. do not stay. They're not here to stay. They're usually here to spend money back home. So, you're coming here to suffer. You're coming here to suffer not only for yourselves. They're not coming here for themselves. They're coming here for family members, kids, grandparents, entire extended family, the whole thing. It's easy to say not come, but at the end of the day, the reason why it's worth it for them is that they're not doing it for themselves. It's not an individual endeavor. There are some individual endeavors, but more times than not, it's not an individual endeavor. Unless you're coming here or going to New York to school to make yourself more desirable in the job market, even in that situation, you're not only doing it for yourself. Your family, you as a first-time or second-time, whatever, is expected to contribute back to the family, and see if it's worth it in the long run. It's not a really survival system. Everybody has to figure it out. I've heard this before. I've heard this from, like, Jamaicans living in Canada. Like, as a way for them to describe being a Canadian myself. Like, they always state that, like, yo, there's not a whole lot that's cracked up to be. And it's purely just pay bills, bills, bills, bills, bills, bills. I definitely agree with that. I do not disagree with none of this stuff. I don't. Yeah. But I think us West Indians, the people in charge in the West Indies, do a horrible job at managing the lifestyles over there, bro. Or maybe telling the people the truth about what they see on TV, about what they hear, about what their marriage to dream is, really. Yeah, that is true. I think we get bamboozled. And just because, like, a person can come back home with fresh fur sneakers, brand new clothes, even materialistic things, or whether we can look at whether or not we are going to make the best decisions, we'll be here to watch it. I mean, I might be coming from, it might be a personal thing. No, no, no. No. No, the person himself doesn't have the materialistic. You need to tell those people back home what it's really like and not sugarcoat it. The truth. Yeah. Well, I don't know. Back home, there is an issue back home. The issue is the lack of materialistic things. Because once we come with this shit from any other country, bro, they get wild. We fool them. And now it's like it's not in the best interest of the country because the people only see one aspect of living abroad. And it translates into, like, yo, it's only like money and this and that. But they don't know that they're locally southern part of their self. You know, giving up a lot of this little bit of time that they have to spend in the Caribbean is all they have pretty much. You know, they got to go back to maintain this lifestyle. But, yeah, that's what I'll add for now. Y'all know, like, I wanted to, like, feel like Europe is a better place than the U.S. So when I've seen that and he was saying all of that, it kind of aligns with what I'm saying. I don't feel like people should leave home, at least not for 2025. I'm not, like, judging it for back in the days, but I'm saying for the way the world is now, I don't think there's any reason for somebody to, like, want to haul ass to Europe or here. But what really, really caught my eye is that none of the shit he said changed why I want to go there. Everything he said about the flat for $1,400, that's why I want to go there. You heard what he said. Like, I don't know if someone... Bro, I... I was about to say that. I said, wait, you said Ohio? I said, no, no, no. I got to leave, too. He's like, what? That's when I get it. You want to leave. I was, like, $45. I was like, hey, yo, that's the stuff he's complaining about and he moved to a different country for. That's the price. Like, he's complaining and he's, like, don't come here. I'm, like, words. Like, tell him, bro. Like, let him know. Like, what the fuck y'all doing? It's hard out here. And then he says, like, flat. My one bedroom flat is $1,400. I'm, like, wait, what? It's just like my parent's house is $45. This nigga said his whole entire life is $3,000. I'm, like, bro, what? Yeah. That's right. That's right. I'm not moving fast enough. I know. Can I tell you something? Bro, my rent is $3,000. There is also ways that people can just communicate and drop information to cause the opposite of what we thought was going to happen. So, yes, he's telling them not to come and that condition that he's throwing numbers. But the core thing is he's telling them not to come. These numbers sound like just to us. Because we're in the U.S. Because we're in the U.S. Those numbers are lower than what we're in. So we're, like, we need to go. But, once again, if you're coming from certain parts of the world, which, once again, a lot of those things are the same. But, you know, the overall amount of money that a lot of people are bringing in some parts of the world is still low compared to what it is in other parts of the world. That's not me. So, yes, that 3 stacks, that 3 stacks, that 3,000 euros that you're talking about, make a reasonable profit. I can see that shit in my ear. Honestly, okay, so there's, okay, well, I'm going to just say it because you guys know, but I got to say it directly. I'm Jamaican by birth. No, no, no, no. I'm about 16. I think it was about 16. So I understand both sides of the coin. I get why people come here. And I fully understand your statement now that I'm much older, and I understand it. Because what happens is, if you come from the Caribbean, you need certain things. But the way the Caribbean is structured and set up, you don't have these leeching things that you have in the U.S. Your monthly expenses in the U.S. are, like, they're stationary. They never, ever change. You don't ever get a break. There's no break. There's no one month of the year of, like, I'm good, I got to pay no debt. Like, if you do the math, bro, if you do the math, I'm pretty sure that if you're the kind of person that's like, you know, your bill comes, like, the first month. Most people's bills come within the first two weeks of the month. Right? We're just about to finish this month. We're in June. So, like, literally, like, four weeks ago, or three weeks ago, you just paid 99% of your bills, right? Bro, in the next week, all of that comes due again. And you've got to do it again. It's no different. The Caribbean, they fill out their bills. But I feel like when I was growing up and the stuff I saw, it's like you needed the basic necessities, and the basic necessities were you were able to, I don't know, you were able to financialize. In the Caribbean, you were able to financialize in such a way where certain things were always a burden. But a lot of stuff has changed, but I feel like the Caribbean, you can financialize the way you can't do it in the States. Like, you can't finance food in America. Because if you don't have food, you're going to go to the shelters and get food, or you're going to, you know, do something to go get food. In the Caribbean, like, you can, you know, there's multiple ways you can get food. It's in your backyard. You can go to the next-door neighbor. You know what I mean? There's different situations you can get food. You can't just have chickens in your backyard like that. You have to live in the area that's in the Caribbean. I can't have any type of animal. It's my yard. It's my shit. You know what I mean? But that's a thing, too. Yeah, that's what I said before. In the Caribbean, you can finesse life, and it's these little things that, you know what I mean, we take for granted. Like you said, I know it's a big thing in the U.S. now where everybody wants chickens because they're cute. Like nobody in the Caribbean thinks chickens are cute. Like we understand that they're resources. They're a resource. That's what we look at chickens as. Like we're not, you know, we don't have them to think, oh, my God, they're varieties or they're colors or they make sounds. No, but we understand. Like we treat them great. We treat them, most people treat livestock good. But at the same time, we understand the value of them, and the value of them is not so we feel good. It's so that I don't starve. It's so I don't starve. It's so I don't starve. Like so I got to take care of them so they take care of me. So if I have chickens and my chickens are full of eggs, I need to treat my chickens good so I can get eggs, right? But at the same time, I'm not, you know, I'm not infatuated with a chicken on some, like, emotional level of, like, oh, my God, I love my chicken. I love my chicken. No, bro, I'm going to make sure he's good. He's going to make sure I'm good. When that arrangement ends, you know, once that no longer happens, then the chicken kind of got to go one way or the other. That's the way it is. Like we ain't got time for that. We ain't got time to be like, you know, you hanging around and you're not serving a purpose. No, no, no. I'm kind of hungry today. I might end up in the pot. That's what it is. So it's just one of those things where, you know, I mean, but back to just the conversation at hand, it's hard to tell somebody in a certain situation. That's why I said it's great. It's hard to tell somebody in a certain situation they shouldn't come here because of all of the baggages that you deal with. But at the end of the day, someone is willing to take that on because the purpose of them taking it on is not for their selfish needs. And the reason I can relate to that is I still take care of my mom back home, right? I still, no matter what, I still have to do what I have to do. I can't just be like, yo, like there's days I wake up, I don't feel like going to work. Because like literally, I'm like, I just want to stay here. But I can't. Like I got to get up, I got to go do what I got to do. Because I can't call her at the end of the month and be like, you know, two weeks ago I didn't feel like going to work. Like it's not happening. It's not happening. So it's like, that's why, you know, people and that also feeds into this immigrant worker mentality. Like, once again, in America, we're talking about America, but the videos about Europe, there's a self-centeredness that is built into the culture where most people are doing things for self. And most immigrants that come to this country are not doing things for self. Like they are trying to take care of themselves, but at the same time, they are secondary, you know, with a thing that indicates hero. Families, friends, cousins, aunts, kids. That's a secondary thing as well. So when you see them busting their ass, it's not because they love the job or they're trying to make this business grow. It's like, I got to do this because I depend on it and then somebody else depends on me. So I got to get it done. And then once again, because people from those other parts of the world believe I'm in a place of abundance and opportunity, I don't get to give them an excuse. And we don't talk about that part where when people from other islands have family members and they call for help, you don't get to do that. You don't get to give them an excuse. Like we generally do have real excuses, but it's like they're not accepting it. They're not accepting it. To them, they're like, you're in a place of abundance. You know what I mean? How could you not not have? How could you not be able to sacrifice when you're in a place of abundance? And to some degree, they are right. You are in a place of abundance, but it's not being given to you. It's not just being given to you. I was basically looking at and reading about different people and different experiences of moving from North Africa to France. There was one guy that said that he moved from North Africa to France and the experience was fucking horrible. He felt alone. He felt isolated. It was hard for him to get a job because of his accent and his work permit. And it's basically the things that we go through here. He realized that there was no one of color in places of leadership and he just went through all of it. He couldn't make friends. People avoided him because he was North African and this is how France was. It was real, real hard for him, but he eventually found an American girl and moved to Utah. What he says, it was a completely different experience. He got accepted. He made conversations with everybody. Everyone was welcoming. He loves it. It's cool. But then there's this other guy who says, you know, he's North African too and he's lived in the U.S. and France. And he spent months and he says for him and his wife it's quite different. He says, like, he's also North African. And he didn't, like, disprove any of the things that the other guy said. He was just basically saying, like, what he was saying is kind of like what I can relate to when I went out there. He was just basically saying, yeah, somebody will tell you their whole life story while you're waiting in line in a Starbucks. But the relationships that you build with Americans are superficial, whereas French are way more reserved, but the relationship that you build with them are ironclad for better or worse. I can see that. I can understand that. He said basically at the end of the day it's like it's about finding your place in the world. And it sounds like he found his place. And maybe you're right or at least partially right. And he's not discounting that, but it's kind of like when people say, you know, how do you like it out here? And I say, you know, it's really about preference. If someone really loves taking the train and they love the cold, they're never going to say that they don't. They're never going to leave New York City because there's nowhere other than London or somewhere like that that gives you way. We bitch about it, but there's nothing more reliable than New York City subway, New York City MTA. Yeah, yeah. So for some reason, I don't know, but I love the train, love the cold, bro. Like they love that shit. And I can see that person never loved that shit. I don't like that shit. For me, I don't like the cold. And I was talking to some guy the other day. He's like his son lives in Arizona and he has kids that move to Utah. And there's a lot of people flooding out of here to Texas. And I was like, yo, why? Do you think it's crazy? Because when I was in New York City and somebody told me they moved from Atlanta to New York, I'd be like, what the fuck? Why? You know, like what's wrong with you? So I asked him, do you think it's weird when people move to California? And he said, honestly, no, because this is the only place in the U.S. that has a climate like this. And I'm not going to lie to you. Me and J.D. thinking about that shit. We'd be like, man, do we really like it out here? He's like, we don't care. It's fucking nice out here. It's so warm out here. Because I know how much we say, I'll go, fuck. Like, we just don't care. It's always sunny in Miami. It is. It is. It's like me and preference thing. But again, France gets cold. Am I still willing to go? Yes. Because what I'm exchanging is the health care system. That's what I'm exchanging. I mean, in France, Paris is way more diverse than he says. And the thing that he's saying that we battle, we battle over here too. And someone says, hey, yeah, America could be welcoming depending on what state you land in. Okay, so human being is a factor. Whoever migrates to human being is a factor in that equation. Because you have people who are people person. But they're not basically English or any fucking language. They're just people person. And like, you put them anywhere in the world and they're going to make friends. The entire neighborhood is going to know them. They'll ask me why. They'll ask me how. They don't speak the language. And they're going to have a good experience. And then there's other people that, like, they have a hard time, you know, dealing with it because of whatever their circumstance. Maybe they come from a place where it's more family oriented so they always lean on their family. And they end up in a place where they don't have family and they're not doing good because the family is what helps that person, you know, progress. So, it's like there's a bunch of factors. So, it's like it's easy to just discount one place or this or that. But it's like there's a bunch of factors that decide whether or not you're going to succeed. And one of them is who you are. Like, there's people that flourish in New York City. And there's other people that flourish in Florida. I hate Florida. I'm not going to lie. Respectfully, it's too fucking hot. But there's people that flourish in Florida. And they could never flourish in New York City and vice versa. So, it's like it all depends. It all depends. At the end of the day, we're back to the subject of whether or not, you know, people from to the east, specifically since Africa, the continent of Africa. But people from the continent of Africa, if they should come to Europe, which aka slash where the U.S. is about to U.S.R.S., I feel like it's up to them. The only thing I agree with him on the statement is that I think people should be more aware of what they're getting into and not live the propaganda lifestyle. I stand for it as well because I have told you before many times that America's biggest export is media. And their media is propaganda. It's some sort. You think you're coming to New York City and New York City is France. And then you see, you know what I mean? You see some parts of Holland. You see some parts of the Bronx. You see some parts of Brooklyn. You see some parts of Staten Island. And you're like, bro, what the fuck? Bro, this is worse than a third world country. Like, it's just bad. So, once again, I feel like because America only shows a certain side of itself, and that's the biggest export for most people, is seeing what America is supposed to be. Or, you know, or I don't know what it's supposed to be. Like, the best sides of America only, people always assume it's grander than it really is. And in reality, it's not that. It's just everything else. And I feel like there's no other way for someone to understand that in this day and age when we have social media. It's just that. Bro, most people in the rest of the world are brainwashed when it comes to Europe and the U.S. They're brainwashed. You can watch all the videos all you want about American media. Some people will be disgusted. But at the end of the day, they still have this romanticization of the U.S. news in their head. In recent months, again, they've been conditioned since they were young. Like, most kids, like me, for example, I've watched American movies since the day I was born. Right? So, even if I was in Jamaica and I had TikTok and I had Instagram and I could literally just narrow down exactly what I want to see in New York City, every single thing in New York City, I'm going to see the shit that I don't like. But that doesn't change the fact that my brain is already, like, romanticized in being in New York for the things I've seen on TV. Even though I'm seeing the rats in the subway, the fucking bums on the street, the, you know what I mean, the congestion, the price it costs of literally being in New York. Like, all of these things, I can say, oh, my God. But if you have never been there, you've always been adjourned to that place that you feel like, oh, yeah, that's where I want to be. Until you end up being there and you're like, fuck this. That's really what it is. And I don't know about anybody else, but in the Jamaican community, when everyone says things about Jamaicans not knowing what America is, I've always said, like, I feel like everyone should get a pass to come here. Even if you keep for, like, three to six months. Everybody, everybody in Caribbean Isles should get a free pass to come here. So that everyone could actually know what the fuck it's like. Because I think a high percentage wouldn't go back home, but they'd go back home knowing it ain't what you think it is. And I think the same goes for the countries on the continent where I live. Everyone should get a free pass to go. Go, go, go. Go for three months, six months. Really see what it's like. Because most of y'all are going dead. Most of y'all are going dead. Y'all are like, I can't do it. I got to do it. So then in the future, nobody's yearning for this unknown. That's all I did. That would be a good point. But there would be a big problem to that. And I think that that's a good point. But I think that is going to play more into the propaganda. Because, remember, whenever you go visit somewhere, the vacation time, the two, three days there, is the best. It's the most amazing. So giving people a taste is going to make it worse. They're not. I think they should have the time to put in an hour. But that's what I said. That's what I said. Three to six months. Like, the honeymoon, like, everyone knows. Vacation, anything beyond two weeks. Right? Anything beyond two weeks, unless somebody else is paying for it, it's going to take a toll. You go anywhere for two to three weeks, and all the finances are great, it's a good time. Once that finances and you start to have to, like, really be a part of the city, you go to Paris, I don't care. If you spend two weeks in Paris, Paris has its charms. If you spend three months in Paris, there's things you're going to go, like, I love. I mean, you're going to realize there's certain things, like, you're going to realize, okay, it's not all that's made out to be. Because at the end of the day, you have to live. You have to do real life. Unless you are wealthy, where you can literally live a vacation life of three months, six months, you literally have to live life. You're going to have to do the normal stuff. Go do your laundry at some point. Go to the grocery store at some point. Commute from point A to point B, whether it's by car or by subway. Like, you're going to have to do just regular life things. Regular life things. Grocery. What you're talking about in this, though, is about expanding it and making it more of a global thing. You're talking about a student exchange program, which gives young adults the opportunity to come here to the states or any other country and live there for a temporary or certain amount of time, right, and get to know what it's like. They can decide to go home or, you know, stay if they like. It would definitely be cool. Maybe someone could start an organization. Like I said, I was just talking to Mo, and I said, Bro, everyone has a fucking podcast. Everyone has something to say, but nobody is touching on the issues of what's really going on and somehow creating some type of solution or, you know, a platform where people can come and talk about solutions. And what you're talking about right now is like that. That would be real nice. We should find a way to make exchange programs more widespread. Yeah, but it's not really exchange programs because what happens is places like Europe, places like America, they have a quota on who can come to the country, right, because they don't want to influx of migrants, right? So the reality is it's not that easy. Like, people from America, they don't need a visa. And I can go to Europe, and I don't need a visa, right, because they have agreed. You can't go to school, and you can't go to work. No, no, no. Listen, I understand that. But like I said, that's why I wouldn't go that far because at the end of the day, I need them to get the experience of what it's like being here. Now, I don't need them to have every single thing because you don't need to have every single thing to experience it. Like, when you go there for like three weeks, right, and you try to like entrench yourself in the culture, right, you don't need to go through every single thing to try to figure out whether or not that the culture fits you, right? You kind of go through most of the basic activities of life to realize, okay, does this fit? Like, now, like you said, there are other, you know, there's a difference between the other infrastructures of some countries like Europe, health care, you know, a bunch of different factors, and I don't think you need to experience those fully. I think you just kind of need to know what they are to know whether or not you want to stick through them, right? But just being in a bunch and experiencing it is what I think most of, AKA third world countries, no one needs that term anymore. But like, you understand what I'm saying? Those countries that everyone seems to want to be like, oh, don't come here, or you need a visa, or we need to monitor you. If we had a global free travel society in our world, right, where anyone could travel at any given time, it would have limited a lot of the issues that everyone's talking about. It would, right? Because what makes America alluring is the fact that you can't get up and come here. And no one talks about that. Nobody talks about that. That's what makes Europe alluring to people on the continent of Africa. You can't just get up and go. I'm first generation Jamaican. I'm an American citizen now. I understand that benefit. I can get up. I have an American passport. I can get up, and I literally can close my eyes, press a place on the map, buy a ticket, get on the plane, and end up there. You know, exceptions, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, blah, blah, blah, all of those, right? Why am I rushing? Okay. No space in the world. I can just go, right? Because I am an American citizen now, right, I can just go. And then the rest of the world can't. So when I can't do something and then somebody's telling me, hey, you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do this, it's like, yeah, that's all good. Like, once again, let's be honest. We all got brothers. We all got nieces and nephews. We know the drama. We know that situation. Don't do X, Y, Z. We've been down that road. We've all been down that road. We can tell them not to do it. Never, never done it. They have no experience. They're not going to listen to us. 90% of the time, they're not going to listen to us. The most you can do is help them make better decisions when they're going down that path of like, okay, you're going to do this, but don't do that. You know what I mean? Or, oh, you're going to go out? All right. I know you're not going to tell your parents, but make sure you keep my number on your phone if anything happens to me. You know they're going to do certain things. The only thing you can do is help with the precautions and situations. So back to the question, it's like, yeah, it's one thing to tell people not to come here, right? But it's not like they have a choice. Most of the people have to get a visa to come here. And the visa process in most parts of the world, it only takes six months. It takes years. Years. You can start applying when you're 70 years old, and you might never get to the country until you're 25, 26, 27 years old. That's like, do the math on that. Do the math on that. So it's like, yeah, don't come. It's easy to say don't come, but at the end of the day, there's a level of restriction that makes people want to come because it's not something easy to do. It's like, I'm an American. If somebody tells me right now, don't come to their country, so go. I'm not coming. I'm good. I'll go somewhere else because I can. If I'm in Africa and somebody's like, oh, don't come to Europe, then I can't even come if I want to. I can't come unless I have a visa. So that's what it is. It's like, yeah, some countries in Africa, they have situations where they can go to France or they can go to whatever the country that's aligned with them. They might have backpacks, but that doesn't mean they have car plans to just go wherever, you know what I mean, especially in the U.S. They don't get transfer options from the U.S. They've got to go through that visa process. So that's what it is. I mean, that's a great idea, but the reality is due to foreign policies and the way the world is and the human factor, it's never going to be like that. But it is possible to start a non-profit. Why do you say that? I mean, we're going to go into politics, but we're never going to have a global citizen world. That's just never going to happen. Making sure that we monitor immigration is very important for public safety for many countries. I disagree. I disagree on that. I disagree on that. Wait, wait, wait. Let me finish my thought process. It's a great idea and it's still possible on this level. It's still possible it has an NGO. So it's still possible for somebody to create an organization that allows young adults to go and spend time and get visas in these places because you can still get a guarantor or what do you call it, a sponsor to get you. So this organization is going to act as a sponsor in between. There's a lot of exchange programs. What we can do is create an exchange program that expands to people of color, minorities, and create a program that basically betters the experience and the knowledge of the world. So you get to travel to different places and you get philanthropists basically make certain donations. And if you do it that way, we don't have to get into conversation of politics. We don't have to get into conversation of homeland security. We don't have to get into conversation of that in any way. And we don't have to wait 10 years or for a president or whatever. Someone with money right now can go and start this organization. And paperwork. Like, honestly, I see certain countries that would have trouble right now are countries that are in direct conflict like Haiti, countries that are basically doing a standoff with France. I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a good part right now. But I think Ghana is in good shape. Rwanda is in good shape. Some of those places are not places where people want to come here, period. But I think that would be a great idea. But I think to avoid a lot of red tape, it would be more effective as an NGO that basically sponsors young adults from these countries to come and visit. But another thing I want to point out is a lot of the things that make it a bad experience, like the job, like when he says don't come to Europe or people say don't come to the U.S. Stay home and you can strive and you can make it happen. It is 2025. So if we just speak on those terms, I think that's very possible. But I still see why people might say, what the fuck is the dude talking about? I can see them saying that because what happens is, why does Starbucks want to come to the U.S. and open up? Why does Starbucks want to have stores in London and open up versus, why would any business want to have stores lined up in New York City versus in fucking Naples, Florida, you know? Why is that such a big deal? Why do stores, the leases cost more in Manhattan than they do in fucking in Brooklyn by Sunset Park or Crown Heights? If we went over on Troy Avenue and tried to rent a spot there versus if we try to go rent one right on Fifth Ave, why is it more money? What no one's talking about and I don't think what we're realizing and the only thing I think that makes sense is that it's opportunity. We're living in a world where you have to be chosen. Even if you want to be a fucking McDonald's cashier, you still have to go on an interview, right? And a person still has to like you. There is literally no fucking job that's guaranteed. It don't matter how disgusting it is, even if you want to pick tomatoes, let's say you have no papers and you want to get a job and everyone hates tomato picking, right? Nobody wants to do that shit, but they just act like that job is easier. As much as nobody wants to do it, that job is not easier to get than working at McDonald's. You still have to, you have to know somebody, right? And that person has to vouch for you, it's like joining a gang. So I think like the big thing is what we have to see is that I think a lot of countries need to get into this whole e-commerce thing so that it's possible because what's happening is that it's a lack of opportunity. You have to be chosen and the problem is when you're a person of color who has to migrate into other places, we are forced to assimilate because if we don't assimilate, we have a fucking horrible experience. And the process of being forced to assimilate, we're trying to adapt the cultures and all of that stuff, but if you stay home, you don't have to assimilate. I don't have to be chosen. That's if you go into the global commerce market because that's what opens up the opportunity pool for some people in Africa. There aren't that many companies in Africa, businesses opening up. Why is it so important that we keep our investors in America? Because our investors are what keep businesses open. Businesses is what create jobs. Creating jobs creates an economy. Creating an economy means that if people are making money, it means that they will spend money. You just gave the solution to end migration. That is the solution. If you want people not to migrate, the point is you make each country financially, economically stronger. So this utopia that we're talking about that will never exist, you don't need someone to give a certain number of people a chance to experience this income. No. If you make every country in the world financially strong enough to take care of its citizens, then you get a world where everyone can travel because at the end of the day, the countries that worry about migration are countries like the U.S. and Europe. They worry about migration because why? They have a huge active economy. And then the rest of the world, which they play a part in keeping in the conditions that they are in, are the reasons why they're migrating. They talk about it all the time. They're the reason why people in South America, Nicaragua, and all these countries are migrating to the U.S. Because they help create the political and the financial and economical situation in those countries. The same thing. Europe created the situation they have in the Middle East and Africa, right? At the same time, yet still, Europeans keep saying they don't want people in their countries and they're stealing jobs because you took their resources, you didn't develop their countries, you didn't pay them what the raw materials were worth, right? You didn't do the thing that made these countries self-sufficient on their own and then you're wondering why they come knocking at your door, want to come at your country because all the money is there. Like literally, they're not doing anything wrong if you really think about it because the economic activity that's happening in the country is based on the resources that's coming from their region. All they're doing is trying to get a piece of it. Check out this map. I was telling, me and Mo was talking about these two schools, right? There's this one school, I'm not going to name the schools, but there's this one school, they're both head-to-head for the past decade in sports and academics. Head-to-head, right? One school goes around the country recruiting every good kid. Make sure there's not one good kid available to no one else. They don't need all the good kids. They don't play all the good kids. But people, the rumor, what people like to say, the saying is they like the shelf kids. Yeah, it's not even, if I take all the good kids and then they'll point at them, then. Exactly. Yeah, it's simple. The other school who's head-to-head with them, guess why they're head-to-head with them? They're not trying to recruit kids. They build them. Yeah, they're developing power. They're just developing the power. Okay, you go and recruit everyone in the fucking world you want. We'll build on what we have here. Yeah. Right? So the difference is, what I'm trying to say is, in a way, it's like these power countries are shelving people. You're destroying and you're plummeting and you're pushing off. You're making sure that these countries cannot stand on two toes. Fuck one foot. That's right. Right? And then you already know what the game is. You feel me? They're all going to come running to the most, you know, beneficial place. So you put up these ads and, you know, you spread this, you know, immigration life in all of these places, right? But then you realize you can't really accept everybody. They already knew from day one they can't accept everybody. The whole point is not to accept everybody. So that I don't rebuild or recuperate. And this is why I have something against people leaving their country. Oh, but that's what they call the brain. I told you before. There's a term for it. It's called the brain drift. It's something they do called the brain drift. That's the reason why they have different visas, right? You have the highly educated visas that people who have higher degrees or have skills in certain fields. They're the ones that can even first. You know how many highly educated people in this country, doctors, lawyers, teachers, that are fucking working blue collar jobs? That have, like, I'm talking about blue collar physical jobs. I understand. We know the trope. The cab driver was a surgeon in his country. We know the trope. We all know the trope. The cab driver, yeah, I was a surgeon in my country. But here, because my credentials don't transfer, I got to do this. We know that. But what I'm trying to say, that's what we call a brain drift. Do you know what I'm saying? That's a brain drift. Like, I take the best talent out of their country, which means the businesses, economies develop because they're here. Take the biggest, take the top ones. And that was my biggest thing when they did the whole thing. Yeah. They're told shit. They're told shit. They're trading out all the minds. All the able-minded people that can create emails are gone. Anyone that's left in it, literally, bro, all you have to do is be able to create an email. So, anyone that was left out, that couldn't do shit, you know, like old people can't do that. It's so important to have a nigga that can create an email even if you don't know what the word means. You know? Like, it's so important to have that person on your side, to have that individual that can say, Yo, I don't know what one is, but I know if you put them next to each other, it's two. There's something I was thinking about since you said it, which was like, if you think about it, you're saying e-commerce is the future. But, honestly, I think it's beyond e-commerce. I feel like the digital world is what's allowing a lot of these countries to develop because there's no physical barrier that's stopping certain activities from happening. Like, right? If you do the math, you could be in a country on the continent of Africa and say, Yo, I'm going to create something, right? A physical good. And you can market it to an American society. Them never knowing you're on the continent, them buying it, it being shipped to them and delivered to them, and they never know where it came from. Right? So, that ability is huge. But, once again, it's just like in the U.S., not everyone's going to be successful. Not everyone is going to work. But the point is that these people, these countries, develop. Like, the Starbucks of whatever, Uganda, the Starbucks of, I don't know, wherever, gets a chance to develop. Right? So, then they can put their products all over the world, which ends up turning other, you know, it's a domino effect. You know what I mean? That's also what it is. It's a real domino effect. So, like, him saying, once again, let's go back to the topic, him saying that these people shouldn't come to Europe because the day-to-day judgery of life is way more expensive and way more intense than most people let on, it is true. But the solution to him not wanting them to come here, whether it's him not knowing or him not wanting competition or him not wanting to share whatever resources there, it's literally to develop those countries so they don't have to come here. That's it. That's the key. Develop those countries to the point where they're self-sufficient and they no longer need you. But, once again, like I said, everything goes back to the basis of why certain things exist. That is not in the U.S. self-interest. It's not in the U.S. or Europe's self-interest for this to happen. It's not. These countries live off the backs of immigration. If you really think about it, like, even when we go back to farming in England, why was it so important? It's always been important for them to get immigrants with skilled immigrant workers. It's always been important, whether it's engineering, whether it's nursing. Right now, we'll probably see a lot of them. Well, not now, but... It's definitely not now. It's definitely not now. They're erasing a lot of shit. You've got to go to the library. You've got to go to the library. They haven't started burning the books yet. It's coming. It's coming. The immigration website probably says, oops, we need a new guy right now. He's shit. He's shit. I've got to pour him whatever. I'm curious to know if that shit works that well. But, like, honestly, it's like, yo, I didn't open up to you. I'll give you a good example. When we walk down, up and down New York City, or if somebody comes to you right now and says to you, I want to open up a Jamaican restaurant in New York City, what are you going to say? I'm going to be like, are you sure? The first thing I'm going to ask them, are you sure? I'm not going to lie. I'm not asking you to sure. Second, I'm going to ask you, if they say they're sure, I'm going to let them know, bro, this is a Jamaican restaurant. Exactly. What I'm going to say to you is, like, what are you bringing? What are you bringing to the table? But the first thing you're thinking, the first thing you're thinking is, bro, this is just a lot of Jamaican restaurants. You know, it's the first thing you're thinking. So if you're going to open up a Jamaican restaurant, that shit better be good. Like, out the window. It's a bunch of, it has to be more than good. It has to be. It has to be exceptional. You've got to be bringing something else. That's what it is. Like, it can't just be Jamaican food. It has to be something else. Like, if you've been in Brooklyn and you've been anywhere in your city, like, there's a bunch of Jamaican fusion restaurants. Like, they're high. Like, remember, Jamaican restaurant went from the, you know, the little shack on the side where you go grab something, and now, bro, it's high dining, bro. Jamaican restaurant is high dining. I think Takiyana is the one in Manhattan, high dining, right there in Manhattan, where everybody's trying to get reservations. So, you know what I mean? If you're going to do it, you've got to be able to come at it with something different than what's not being done already. So, it's not that it can't be done. It's just that you've got to be coming with something different. So, you can't just be like, oh, I make good Jamaican food. I'm like, then, okay. That's good. That's good. All right. What if six months later, the same person calls and says, you know what? You were right. But there are no Jamaican restaurants in Atlanta. I'm going to open up a Jamaican restaurant in Atlanta. What are you going to respond? Okay. That's fine. Fuck Atlanta. I tell you, if I was from Midwestern country, you probably would kill me. Find somewhere else. You ain't even got to do Atlanta. If you are not scared to live somewhere else, find somewhere else where, you know, there is not a lot of options and drop a Jamaican flag and a sign there, you're going to kill it. I guarantee you, you're going to kill it. As long as you don't make a swoop fight. I learned that you're going to kill it. You're going to kill it. You're killing it. Of course. There are no options. You're right. There's that math of you can open up a business in a dead spot because of, like you can open up a business in New York City and it could be good. So because of lack of foot traffic, your business is not as successful, right? Oh, yeah. Of course. Which is what the issue is like. Yeah. So, yeah. Everyone can stay home and open up their businesses. But like you were saying before, we need to somehow improve the economy. But guess what? I say bullshit to that. You look at every country and how much money comes into these countries from other, from like the U.S. or from Europe. Remains. Remains, yeah. I think there's a remaining, there's a remaining numbers for I think every country. Yeah. Do you think, do you think Western Union or MoneyGram has like a limited number that they give out every year? Yearly, how much time, money, money they have to make that year? They can limit where we go, how we go. They are not interested in limiting our money movement and where it moves to. I know Florida is trying to somehow put a limitation on it. But it's not going to stick. It's going to come up to match issues. First of all, if you're limiting the amount of money that MoneyGram makes and Western Union makes, when you start to make those kind of rules, I promise you, those exchange, money currency exchange programs are very fucking important globally. And the fact they're thinking that he's going to fuck with that is going to become a huge wake-in. They just haven't gotten to his ass yet. But they're not going to let that stay. They will limit how we move, but they can't, they refuse, they're way too money hungry to actually limit how the money moves. So I think all in all, immigration will always win. The reason why it will always win is not because, is not because there's nothing we can do to stop it. It will always win because it's actually beneficial on both sides. There are people who, you think about people who immigrate because times are bad, right? Let's remember, there's a lot of people who immigrate and have stories of going to France or stories of going to, coming to America. For them, I don't know whose background is that, but mute your phone, please. That's definitely not me. That's definitely not me, sir. I haven't heard a number from Mo in a minute. Mo. I wasn't about to ask what he is. That's just his ass. That's just his ass. That's Mo. Hold on. Yeah, you got a point. That's Mo. All right. Can't stop that business. You're right. Money, grand, real. Once again, you didn't notice. Way too much money made from immigrants sending money. Remember, there's a charge of percentage on the amount that you send, so when you limit the amount people are sending. Bro, once again, I just don't want you to make a lot of money so much. I know. I know. I know. Bro, I'm Jamaican. I know. I'm Jamaican. I know. I know. I got to send money back home. I know. I know. Immigration is important and beneficial on both sides. We can stop talking about the desperate attempt to come here. There are a lot of people that come here really like to like, they want to be a pastor. There are people that come here to dream and there are people that leave here to go to France for a great modeling career in fashion or whatever the case might be. So, let's not eliminate those things and those opportunities, you know. There are people that are always going to migrate for those reasons. Like, for instance, I'm over here in LA and I completely understand why motherfuckers go to New York City to start a music career or do certain stuff and I completely understand why people who do podcasts and do like broadcasting and all of that might want to live in Los Angeles. There are people, I don't know if you know this, but Atlanta is a media hub. It is turning into one now. Yeah, so it has a lot of, what happened is, here's what happened. Atlanta has always been a media hub due to space. So, a lot of the satellites, the antennas, the big main corporate buildings and you know, space and price, right, has always been there, right? What happened is, now that the rent is getting higher and a lot of companies are trying to save and consolidate, a lot of them are moving a lot of their spaces. You see how Elon Musk moved, where did he move all his stuff to? Texas. Texas, right? Because he's like, why do I need offices in Texas? This is way too expensive. I'm just going to move everything from here to Texas. Like, consolidating their offices and just, you know, making things a lot more cost efficient for them. What it is, is that a lot of the talent that AT&T would have in the U.S. at that AT&T New York City corporate office, now they're just recruiting that talent from AT&T because a lot of the stuff, at AT&T hub in Georgia, because a lot of the stuff can be done remotely. So, I can understand if someone says, hey, I know people that live in Dallas, Georgia, but I'm not going to lie, it's a 45 minute drive to Atlanta and given the time of traffic, it probably takes you an hour and a half to two hours to come home. I know people who spend a weekend or that go home on a weekend and their family lives in Georgia due to the commute being so crazy. So, I can definitely understand. People are going to have to migrate because it's like, my job wants me to move here because you do such a good job. They say, hey, we're opening an office here, we want you to go run it. Immigration will always be here. People act like it's not. Let's drill down. Let's be honest with you, bro. Let's call it what it is. The term immigration is a fucking dog whistle. It's a what? It's a dog whistle. It's a fucking dog whistle. Let's be honest with you. Everyone, if they take a couple minutes and think about immigration, it's literally a part of everybody's life. When you go on vacation, you're an immigrant. If I move to France, you know we're going to be immigrants, right? She said, I never thought about it like that. That's what I'm trying to say. Because it's a dog whistle for the other. Especially in the U.S., it's the other. In Europe, it's the other. These places think their makeup is supposed to be X, Y, or Z. Whatever, right? And the minute other people start coming in, they start showing the way. Once again, there is a reason to feel a certain way when the makeup of your face starts changing. But at the same time, the human experience, especially if we're talking about America, has never been one thing. America has never been one thing. Europe has never been one thing. At one point, European countries, before the major world war, used to fucking massacre each other. Kings used to fucking go ransack and kill another king for land, space, and money, bro. The whole migration thing, it's like one person from Germany might have massacred half of fucking Germany. Now you've got Germany in parts of Europe, as it is now. They're technically not fucking... They're Germans, but they're in the wrong fucking... The notion that migration is like, bro, it's always happened since the dawn of time, bro. It's always happened since the dawn of time. We live in a modern society, and I feel like everybody wants to put this stamp on like, oh, you shouldn't be able to travel. Yeah, I can do... Once again, I'm a New Yorker now, right? So, technically, I don't want these motherfuckers from the Midwest coming to New York. Y'all motherfuckers making my rent expensive. Cause y'all fuckers, and y'all want to pay the $3,000 rent. And these fucking landlords think, oh my God, I could get more money if these bitches pay, so you should pay too. I'm not paying for your crappy ass apartment. Fuck off. But their bitch heads are like, oh, we're good, we're in New York, so I gotta pay. No, I've been here. I'm not paying it. But you guys are paying it, so technically, I don't want you here. And most New Yorkers feel that way, right? That's migration, if you really think about it. They're immigrants. They're not natives to here. They're immigrants. Yeah, they're coming to New York and fucking up New York. Most New Yorkers agree on that statement. But at the end of the day, if two New Yorkers really stand up and are like, oh, y'all need to fuck out of here and go back to the Midwest. All of a sudden, it's a problem, right? All of a sudden, it's a problem. And once again, there's literally economical destruction happening because of their movement. Because of their influx into the scene. So, once again, but at the end of the day, you being a New Yorker, you understand the thing, and you just have to make it work for you and figure it out. Me, right? Every New Yorker, a real true-born New Yorker, stand up and be like, yo, I don't want y'all motherfuckers in here. We gonna vote you out. We gonna get representatives, blah, blah, blah. That's what we had to do, but we didn't. A lot of people didn't. We didn't. Bro, we didn't, but then again, New York wouldn't be what New York is. New York is evolving. I get it. I hate it. I hate the fact that the cost of living in New York City isn't what it is, but it's evolving. I would say out of all the states, New York is evolving a lot better than others. As far as, like, I remember before COVID, I'm not gonna lie, it was hard. But I was doing someone's taxes, and before COVID, they was working the same exact job. They was making $30,000, $40,000 a year, you know? After COVID, this person's making $60,000 to $70,000 a year now, doing the same thing. Yeah. Well, I hope there is more opportunities opened up. The pay raise, you know, he got started getting paid more. I think the pay raise in New York at one point went from $15,000 to $25,000, $16,000 to $25,000. $15,000 to like $20,000, $21,000, something like that. But yeah, like, you know what I mean? That's just what it is. Like I said, on the face of it, it's like there's a notion that immigration is bad and the dog wants to sense that. Like, it's very annoying. And that's the point that we'll go into. Let's go back to the conversation that you were talking about. It's not as easy to say, don't come. It's not. It's not, because there's multiple reasons why people want to come here. Like you said, there's people with ñ there's highly educated people overseas, right, that want to go to Europe. Because why? The companies are there. The skill set and the experience is there. Whether or not they're going to go back to their country, which some of them end up doing, they, you know, they go to these whatever companies, they get experience, and then they take that experience and they go back to their country and they start a business. Because now I know how the business is run. In a company, I fully kind of grasp, you know, the business structure or business or whatever, and now I can take that expertise and I can go back to my country and I can implement it. So, it's like, it's not as simple as like, oh, if you're from one of these terrible countries, AKA, whatever. Yeah, because not everyone ñ not everyone immigrates because they're desperate. A lot of people immigrate because they want something. Yeah, opportunity. Yeah, opportunity. They want better opportunities. Like, for example, when I was in college for even accounting programs, like CPAs and even for law programs, and there's different programs, you had the opportunity to go to Europe to do an internship. And these internships on your resume and the networking would open so much doors for you. So, it's like you were saying, it's like in order to better yourself sometimes, you need to migrate. It's not always out of desperation. So, I think for number one, we need to stop connecting. We need to stop making that direct connection that because someone immigrated or migrated because they're running from something or trying to better their lives in some drastic way. We need to stop that. Yeah, but that, once again, that comes with the slash racism factor. There's a racism factor that, like I said, I didn't want to go down that, but there's a racial effect of that. There is, because when white people ñ listen, white people from other places that literally migrate to New York, we've all interacted with them. Like, you're looking at them like, why the fuck are you here? And they're here because they're here for God knows whatever reason. They're in the U.S. and they're fine. And some of them, I won't say they're poor, but they're not well off. And they come to the U.S. and they're fine. But nobody sees, especially in this country, when a white person says they're here, and I've been here for God knows how many years, and I'm never going back to Europe, no one bats an eye at that fucking thing, right? But if I tell you I'm from fucking, I don't know, Uganda, and I'm here, and I'm never going back home, you're looking at me sideways. Once again, not us, but there's a bunch of different types of people that you're going to look at you sideways. The reason why I'm here is because I'm going to MIT, and after MIT I'm going to work with some major company or corporation. I'm going to work with Apple. I already got a, the whole time you're right, they're thinking about it, but this person could be here because they got recruited by a major company. So they're not going back. They're not going back. Yeah, I definitely understand what you're saying, but we definitely need to stop making that direct connection. Oh, it's an immigrant? Oh, they was fucked up. Yeah. You're actually here, you're telling somebody to go home, but don't you know that there's a portion of people that are here that are skilled workers because we don't have these skilled workers here and we leave them here? You're telling them to fucking go home? Oh, yeah. Listen, listen, listen. All right, all right. I'm going to go home. I'm going to go home, man. Like I said, I don't even know if I'm going to dig in that pot right now. I don't even know if I'm going to dig in that pot, because I'm not going to lie. Like, that's a whole, that's a whole thing right now. You know how I feel about the whole get these people out of here. I told you before, listen, hey, get them all out of here, because we'll see how economic and structurally sound this fucking country is when all these motherfuckers get to leave. Let's find out. Let's really find out how strong the U.S. is when all these motherfuckers go back home. Let's find out. And even if we think about it, even back a long, long time ago when there was nothing but kings and kings and kings all over the place, kings and kings and kings exchanged to these individuals that would go and stay in that country for a certain amount of time to learn of that country's ways and cultures and report back. And they would do these little exchange programs. So, it's very important to experience other people's cultures, experience each other's cultures. It's very important for us to have an understanding at a young age, because you can't teach an old dog new tricks. So, yeah, don't come out of desperation. Know what you're getting yourself into is more so what I would say. Bro, even that statement I can't agree with. Even that statement I can't agree with. And I was going to go one way and my brain just triggered off. Bro, don't come out of desperation. At the end of the day, people might be coming out of desperation, but they're planning to fight. The reason why I say don't come out of desperation is because that's applied towards anything, bro. You don't do nothing. Any decision you make out of desperation, expect for a slap on your hand. Expect that. Expect for a backhanded slap. Any decision you make out of desperation is going to come at a cost. And basically what the truth is when you come to any country, whether it's the U.S. or Europe, and you don't know what you're going to expect, expect a course. Expect a slap in the face. And like that other guy was basically saying, and like you were saying, certain people depend on their personalities, and they're going to go to certain places, and they're going to flourish, and others are going to tank. So I wouldn't say don't come, but I'm saying don't come believing in his fantasy. At least come expecting like that. That's the thing. That's the thing. I think that's the thing. You're going to come for a better life. You're going to come for a better life, but be open-minded that it may not be all that it's cracked up to be. And I think that everyone should come to life like that. Like understand when something's too good to be true. Like for real. Yeah, I think the solution basically is not in coming. It's literally in understanding. You've got to come to understand. Yeah, what you're coming to deal with. Like this country has a lot of opportunities, but this country also is going to work you until the point where you literally have no toenails or fingernails or any of that. So it will do that to you. And France is way more stringent than the U.S. So like one person said, there are a lot of things they're doing in France, like getting an apartment. It's way easier to get an apartment in certain states in the U.S. than it is in certain parts of France, right? France, certain places, cross all their I's and not all their T's, and it tests their patience a lot. And that's the mental breaking point for us human beings. So that's why I say, be ready. Be ready. Be ready for whatever it is, even if you want to be a rapper, a lawyer, you want to immigrate to wherever. Be ready for whatever it is that you embark on. Be ready for the obstacles. I think we all just need to stop gassing ourselves up and understand everything has to sell itself. Yeah, and that's what it is. Like I said, back to what you said, I think most immigrants definitely need to stop, you know, romanticizing slash, you know, lying about the overall experience. You know, I know social media exists. Okay, so, and I've told you about this, right, which is like, I've told you before, like I have a problem. Like I tend to not post on social media because I don't want your perception of my life here to be my highlight. You know what I mean? And it's like, you know, because you need to understand social media, like, most people highlight reals, it's not their entire life. But at the end of the day, like, people can make that Instagram statement on Instagram. And if people follow me and I'm posting my weekend, one or two days out of the fucking week, where I'm making like two hours out of the day where I'm having fun, right, that's all they're seeing. To them, their perception of me is like, I'm living the best life. And I'm fucking suffering, but at the end of the day, that's what they're seeing. So the reality is they don't know. They don't know. So that's one of the reasons why I don't post. I don't post, that's it. Because I don't want anyone to think that's what it is. I'd rather you assume that my life is good when there's no evidence about that. There's no evidence about that, like, oh, I'm living a good life, right? But it's like, it's one thing for me to be posted off all of this good life shit, and then when you hit me up, I'm telling you, like, bro, don't come here, bro, this is messed up, da-da-da-da-da. Like, it's a disconnect, because most people associate social media, you know, that two-second video or that one-second photo as, like, that's your life because you're creating a narrative around your life so people be like, oh, that's your life. I'm like, no, that's a fraction of a second or that's a moment in time that is what it is, and you, you know, because you're not here with me, you think that's the whole thing, you know what I mean? So that's the reason why. So back to what I was saying, Caribbean people need to start having a conversation with the diaspora about what the real, true experience of being here is like. Honestly, we probably should call this, what, the Diaspora Diaries, and just, like, make it a horror story. There's a lot of horror stories. I feel like that's probably, if you want to discourage people, we should figure that, like, you know, Diaspora Diaries of all the, like, the horrific shit that we've got to do over here. The drudgery, the mundane, all of that shit, like, you people really need to know because, like I said, I don't think most people understand what it is. Yeah. Anyway, I've seen a lot of videos about a lot of stuff in Europe. I've watched a lot of movies. And being in Europe is like, when I watch the videos again, like, if I watch a video where I could tell someone's in Europe, bro, it's not the same. So we can tell people all we goddamn want. They won't be able to connect what we're saying until they have the experience. Right, right, exactly. That's what I was saying. I don't think you can get people to not come, but to get people to have a much more realistic expectation when they come is very important. And most important, why it's important, I think the most important reason why it's important is that they don't think that the people that leave home have an easier time. That's what it is. That's what it is. That's what it is. You should pity on them. You get to stay home and stay around the things that you're used to and you know this person does not, and everyone and everybody is weighing on that person. You know what I'm saying? What everyone eats in the morning, what they wear, what they put on their feet. Even the dreams that they have for their children's children is weighing on your shoulders and you don't even know if you want a kid yet. Like I said, it's a lot. It's a lot, like I said. But his statement of not to come, like I said, we pretty much guide people. It's like, it's not as easy. It's not as cut and dry. It's not a yes, no. It's not a right, wrong. It's like, it's too complicated to think that normally. He has good arguments, but it's more complicated. Definitely. I guess we're going to wrap it up. Yeah. Thanks.