Episode 7

The conversation revolves around pain and suffering. The speakers discuss their recent experiences, including surprise visits to loved ones and a car accident. They also discuss their love for rom-coms and the difference between pain and suffering. One speaker believes that suffering is a combination of pain, distress, and hardship, while the other disagrees and argues that suffering stems from sin and is allowed by God. They end the conversation by discussing a quote about the difference between pain and suffering. You want the answer or me? You want me to do it? Yeah. You want me to do it? Yeah, let's give it a try. Okay. You want a Law Sheet Podcast or a Certain Answers? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Law Sheet Podcast. I'm Cole Bissett. Alright. You're leading this time. This is your time to lead. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Law Sheet Podcast. I'm Cole Bissett. And I'm Nazario Pangallo. Alrighty, so let's hop straight into it today. Well, actually, I'm going to ask you about your week first because that's what we do. So, how was your week? What did you do? I was gone last weekend, so. Oh, wait, you were gone last weekend? I was gone last weekend. I was home. I got to go home and I got to first surprise my little brother because he didn't know I was coming back. Because he had a musical that was going on last weekend. So, I got to surprise him because, you know, he only had it this weekend or this past weekend and this weekend. So, it was the only time I could go back to watch it. And I got to go to it on Saturday night. It was awesome. It was funny. It was a lot of fun. He gets into it a lot. He actually punched the main character. Fake punch, you know, theater punch. But, and then on Friday I got to surprise my girlfriend for her birthday. So, that was awesome. I got to be around her family and my family. So, a lot of fun to do all of those things. And then I got to go back to the home church on Sunday as well. See the good old priest, Father Jeff. So, if, you know, maybe I can get Father Jeff on here one time though. See the good old hometown priest. That would be a lot of fun. But, yeah, basically just went back for the weekend. Then I was driving back on Monday. Well, interesting story about Monday actually. I was driving back. It was the first time I brought a car down to Bama. And I get all the way down off the exit for Tuscaloosa. And then I hit in the back. So, that was pretty fun. You know, getting all the way back here and then getting hit. So, that was a journey. And then, yeah, getting back into the routine and, you know, the normal day-to-day life of a college student. So, it's been, you know, a journey. And then we've got a week and a half left until spring break. So, that will be exciting. And get excited, fellas, because we are going to do our episode during spring break from the beach in Destin, Florida. We are going to finally have it on the beach. It's going to be a lot of fun. So, a little change of scenery for everybody. I didn't even realize that. Yeah. We should get beach in the back. So, what's your week been like? What was it like not having me for a weekend? It's kind of boring, OT. You know, I'm one of those guys, I blame my girlfriend, that watches a bunch of rom-coms. So, it's pretty much... You love them, really. I do. I do love them now. Now? Now, I do. Used to hate them. There's just the same ending over and over again. And every rom-com really kills me. I feel like there could be a lot more originality. But, you know, I guess it's just the best I got. So, I go for it. And for some reason, it keeps me watching them over and over again. So, I guess it's good enough that I come and listen to it. On one day of the season, I had intramural games at 9.30 and 9.30 both times. He was not on these teams. So, I come back at like 10.30 and I walk in the door. And it's just pitch black. And there's just this kid laying on the couch over there with just the television on and watching a rom-com. Blankets all bundled up. And I'm like, what is happening, dude? Like, you're just laying on the couch. It's the darkest room ever. Just a rom-com's on and he just loves it. Well, there's no better feeling, you know, than a full day of school and just crashing with rom-coms at the end of the night. Interesting take, isn't it? Interesting take. But I would also like to apologize in advance for both of us. If we sound tired or look tired on the visual or in the audio because we had a late-night FIFA session last night. No, we were being hard-working students working on homework. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what we'll call it. You know, and for some reason the homework just kept not winning in the homework. We kept getting questions wrong. We just had to keep going, keep building it up, keep building up our academic knowledge because we just couldn't stop. Yeah, so we just are really trained from our academic pursuits. So, I apologize for that. Anyways, we're going to jump into our quote for today. I was, well, I don't even remember when I was listening to this, which is probably a problem, but I immediately texted him about this quote. Actually, I do remember. Thank you. That was Holy Spirit right there helping me remember where the quote was from. So, Sunday, or well, it was from Sunday. Father Mike Schmitz had his, what do they call that, a homily during Mass, and it was posted on Holo, and then one day on my drive down here, I was listening to it, and I heard this quote, and I immediately texted the quote because I loved it. So, basically, the quote is, All creatures experience pain, but only humans experience suffering. So, I'll say that one more time. All creatures experience pain, but only humans experience suffering. Now, I came back today from school, getting on my classes, coming back here for the podcast, and Cole was very, very into his research for this episode. He was going back on his old high school theology or religion class days and getting a lot of research done. So, I'm going to throw it to him first, Cole. What do you think of this quote? So, first, I'm going to use the Webster Dictionary to find pain and suffering for you guys. So, pain, according to the dictionary, is physical suffering or discomfort caused by illness or injury. Okay? That's pain. Now, for suffering, suffering is the state of undergoing pain, distress, or hardship. Could you repeat that, sir? Okay. Which one in particular, you guys? Both. Both. I need to hear those two guys. Okay. Pain is the physical suffering or discomfort caused by illness or injury. And suffering is the state of undergoing pain, distress, or hardship. Now, what I'm going to do, nonchalantly, I'm going to disagree with the dictionary. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. Okay? So, what the dictionary is doing that I think is false is it's saying, in essence, that pain is suffering and suffering is pain, which I disagree with. I disagree with your take on the definition, because I think it was separating them in a way that I understood, in a way that I separate them, the way that they described it. I don't think they were saying it synonymously, to be honest. Okay, then why don't you think they were saying it synonymously? Because the pain that we're talking about here is the physical pain. Yeah. Right? And then the suffering that we're talking about is hardship, and that's exactly what it says. And so, what we're talking about here is that all beings can experience physical pain. Right? All beings can. But humans have an inept sense of suffering. They have morality. They have consciousness. They have just a brain. Like, the brain functions of a human are completely different from every other creature on Earth. Right? When something happens to an animal, it has to be physical for them to understand that it is pain, because of what's happening in that other body's response to it. But they can't see whether their mate leaves them. That's not going to really leave an animal heartbroken, because their mate doesn't mate with somebody else. Now, if a human goes through a breakup, a hardship, that is going to be a heartbreaking suffering, something that an animal can't go through. It's a hardship, like it says there. That's just one of the differences between pain and suffering that I see, and I think I agree with what the dictionary is saying with that. I'm still going to disagree with you. I think suffering is pain, distress, and hardship all combined into one. I think if you're going through all three, that is suffering. I don't think suffering can be broken down into a single phrase like hardship, or suffering can be broken down into a single thing like pain. My definition, y'all can quote me on this. I feel like this would be a good quote. Pain is just a small piece of suffering, because suffering is the story of our life. I'm going to repeat it again, because I was kind of proud of this one when I wrote it down. Pain is just a small piece of suffering, because suffering is the story of our life. Now, here's why I say that. Pain, in essence, like you said, yes, creatures experience pain. We experience pain. That doesn't separate us. That doesn't make creatures human, and it doesn't make us beasts or creatures, because we both experience pain. It doesn't separate us. We're made uniquely under God, so that obviously isn't a distinction between the two of us. Now, if you look at suffering, suffering stems from what? What does suffering stem from? I'm asking this as a question. What allows us to suffer? Sin? Is that where you're going with this? Yes, in essence, yes, but more. There's a little step ladder I'm going to give you. I think you need to answer that, because I have nothing on the brain right now. Well, first of all, God allows it. God allows suffering to happen, okay? A lot of people get this confused. Honestly, I heard this verse from my mom a long time ago. Ever since then, I've kind of been quoting her, and I don't know if she realizes I'm still quoting her when I talk about it, because I think she just thinks I've figured it out. But God doesn't will suffering on people. God doesn't will you to suffer. He's not saying, you're going to suffer, I'm willing you to suffer. No, no, no. He's allowing you to suffer, right? Because what does He give us? What did He give us that allows us to suffer? Come on. I'm trying to break it down. What makes us human? Souls? What makes us human? Gosh, I have no clue right now. I'm so lost. Come on. What aspects of our creation made us human? We've got a body. He said body. Consciousness? Okay, what about our consciousness? Morality? What about our morality? Our brain? What are you talking about right now? I'm talking about free will. I'm talking about free will, okay? Okay. Because you can't have suffering without free will, and you can't have free will without suffering, right? Because in essence, free will gives you the option to... Like, free will includes the possibility of evil, right? In pain, in essence, it's evil. In its original essence, it's evil, right? But free will is giving us... is the opportunity for us to choose good and choose evil. So it allows us to suffer. So God, by giving us free will, isn't telling us, I'm willing you to suffer. No, no, no, no, no. He's allowing us to suffer. Because what it is, our life is this huge journey, right? From the moment we're born to the moment we're in God's head, right? And throughout our entire life, what are we doing? We have free will, so we're suffering. We're suffering. We're suffering a spiritual battle. We're suffering a physical battle. We're suffering, like you said, one of the pieces, the hardships of being a human, the pain of being a human. There's many things that go up and form suffering as a whole. But we're suffering. And so, it's our life story. Because our life story is this choice with free will. Oh, to allow us to get through suffering, to grow, because what is it doing? There's one thing I wanted to say. Union with God is continuous self-abandonment. CS Lewis, problem of pain. If y'all... that's where I'm getting a lot of my quotes from right now. Are you going to be CS Lewis, problem of pain? I'm going to repeat that again. Union with God is a continuous self-abandonment. So, what does that mean? As humans, we have this desire to do good. We all have it, whether you realize it or not. A lot of times, it's disoriented. And so, in order for us to realize what true goodness is, we, in essence, have to abandon ourselves. We have to kill our selfishness. So, we have to kill off that part of ourselves and drive to be in union with God. Now, that doesn't come without a price. That's your suffering. That's what the suffering is. Continuously being able to try to kill that part of yourself that's holding you back from God. That's our free will part. The part that tells us to do evil. That part. We're killing that part off and driving ourselves toward God. So, we can't have free will without suffering. And pain is just an aspect of the free will. So, going back to it, pain is just a small piece of suffering. Because suffering is our life story. Just saying. Good job, sir. You got a nice job in there, guys. Yeah. Well, I think it all comes down to, as well, surrendering. As you were kind of going into it. You didn't fully go into it. I was fully going into it. And that's what the whole 40-day challenge for Lent on Hollow has been about. It's about learning to surrender more and more each and every day. And that's a part of the journey of suffering. That is the purpose of suffering. Animals, creatures, they can experience pain because they don't have this greater purpose. But that's why they can't experience suffering like we can. Because they don't have a greater purpose. They're just supposed to live. We're not just called to live. We're called to love. We're called to serve. We're called to worship. And we're called to follow God. Right? And a part of that is surrendering to our suffering. Surrendering to God's will. And, you know, I've had... I can remember... I'm talking about the Hollow Book that I'm thinking of in my mind. But I also had a friend tell me yesterday how, you know, in her life, it took her 19 years to finally give away control to God. And she said that when she went on a retreat and when she gave away that control, when she surrendered that control, that is when her life changed. Did that change her suffering? No. The thing that she was telling me before that were going to happen in her life and that had happened in her life, they didn't magically change and become better in what they were. And what they were after she had this moment of giving up control. But the way that she looked at them and the way that she handled what was going to happen in her life, what was happening in her life, is what changed it. And it was the surrender to God. The surrender to the suffering. Obviously, God didn't want us to have to suffer this way. He didn't want evil to ever enter into our lives and be on our... He wanted it to be perfect and have an intimacy with Him so that we wouldn't have to suffer. But we chose that. But now, God can take the suffering and make something better of it. And there's many ways you could go about this. One is what we talked about, surrendering control to Him. Surrendering, you know, what suffering is. Limiting our control. And another is putting more trust into Him and that the suffering is going to, you know, create something in us or drive us more towards something that we need to have. They say, or there's multiple verses in the Bible that talk about how our perseverance through trials leads to the building of character. That's basically what, in essence, is what we're talking about here when we're going through suffering. When we have to persevere through it, when we have to choose, you know, to surrender to God during it. When we have to choose to keep doing the good in the midst of the suffering. That's what produces this incredible virtuous character that God is trying to produce in us. And that's the best version of ourselves that we can become. Is by going through our sufferings and battling through them and fighting through them and calling on God to give us the strength to push through them. Because that's the only way we can get through them is with the strength of God. That we can become more like Jesus. And one of my favorite things that I've been trying to do and trying to remember during sufferings, during the hardest times, is that we have these crosses to bear. Right? Jesus says, take our crosses up and follow Him. Right? But what happens on Jesus' walk with His cross? He falls a couple times. Now I'm not saying, I'm not talking about the falling. I'm talking about what happens after that. Someone needs to come and help Jesus carry this cross because He's so broken down and so battered and bruised that He can't even carry this cross. Eventually, you know, He does carry the cross and He carries it for us symbolically and in the way that He dies on the cross. But, someone comes and helps Him carry this cross. Now, I think this is a great interpretation of how we cannot carry our own crosses on our own at all. We need Jesus to come and help us carry our crosses. If not, carry our crosses completely for us. When we're on the ground, when we're just like, God, I cannot go through this suffering anymore. I cannot carry this cross anymore. This is impossible. This temptation is out of control. I can't handle it. I've had so much loss. What in the world? How am I supposed to get back up after this? There's all these different things. That's when you call on God even more than ever to come and carry your cross for you. And that's how we make it through. Because surrendering more to Him. Not just control, but trusting in Him. Surrendering our trust to Him and saying, hey, I can't do this. I can't do this. Because we can't do a lot of the things that we're called to do. But the only way that we... Sorry, let me rephrase that. We can't do all the things that we're called to do on our own. By ourselves. We can do all things through Christ's strength and things. But anyway, He gives us the power to do it. That's how we're able to do all the things that we're called to do. And in the Bible it also says there's no temptation that you're going to go through that I'm not giving you the strength to overcome. God says right there, He gives you the strength to overcome all of your suffering. He tells you very clearly in the Bible. Where does that strength come from? It comes from Him. How do we get that strength? From surrendering to Him. Yeah, I completely agree with you on that. So, I do want to touch on the beast thing that you were talking about at the beginning. So, creatures... What again? Beast. Oh, beast. Okay. Beast. Creatures were created. I think they do have a higher purpose in essence. I think their higher purpose is to serve God by serving man. And essentially that's what their purpose is. That's why beasts are on the earth is to serve God by serving us. Right? Because they provide us food. They provide us defense in the form of dogs or cats sometimes who are crazy. Or just... Creatures serve us so much. We wouldn't be able to survive without them in some parts. Okay. Yes, you're right. What is the big difference between that? They don't have that consciousness of saying they're human. Yes. I agree with that. They do have a purpose. How did they get that purpose? Because God created them to do that. That's why they do that. That's why dogs are so awesome. I love dogs. Dogs, I feel like, are a perfect example. They're just a man's best friend. They do all these incredible things. How do they do it? Because that's what they were created for. Yes. They were all created before us. We were created at the end of... We were the last day of creation. And God created us in the world that he designed for us. So God created them for us in essence, which is really neat if you think about it. Just in that way. I just want to throw it out to you guys. Just a fun fact. So the branch of theology that deals with pain, like what we're talking about in suffering, is called theodicy. Look at that. The G is C at the end. So that's just really neat. I learned a lot about pain and suffering in my morals and ethics class in high school. Shout out Mr. Shadricks if he's listening. But yeah. So we're going to go ahead and take a break. We're going back into our Lost... Not Lost Sheep segment. Shepherd of the Week segment. And then we'll get right back to you guys after that. Talk about the quote a little more. And since last week was so deep, we'll do some fun questions for each other at the end to provide comedic relief. All right. See you in a second. All right. Welcome back. So would you like to introduce our Shepherd of the Week? Or do you want me to do it since he's kind of... I feel like this is your episode to lead. And this is by far probably maybe one of your favorite people of all time. So I think it's all up to you to introduce this incredible fellow. You know what? Talk for just a second about anything. I want to pull up something about him because I want to do a whole intro. Just give me a second. All right. Well, we're going to give Cole a second. I'm going to go into the homily from today. That was a daily mass because why not? And so today we hear from, I believe it was the Gospel of Luke, chapter 16, verses 19 through 31. And we hear of the Jesus tells his parable. Actually, I'm not even sure if it was a parable or a story. But anyway, he's talking to the Pharisees and he tells them this passage about how the poor man, Lazarus, he begged at the door of this rich man for his whole life. And when he died, it says that he went to heaven. And it says that the rich man went to hell. And then we see how Abraham talks to the rich man. The rich man calls out to Abraham and tells him, you know, like, please help my brothers who are still on earth and help them. And Abraham responds with, if they aren't going to listen to the prophets, and then they aren't going to listen to a dead person who has been raised back to life. So the interesting part about this is all that it gives us on the reasoning why the one person goes to the bosom of Abraham and the other one goes to the netherworld is because one of them is poor and one of them is rich. Very interesting thing to think about. Why would Jesus tell this story if it's literally the only thing that he's saying is one is poor and one is rich. And then one of them goes to heaven and one of them goes to hell. So then Father Anatomly did a real good job of describing what Jesus is really trying to say here. And it was talking about the context of it, the passage before this, Jesus had been talking about servitude. And like I mentioned earlier, this poor person was banging on the door of the rich man's house. And the rich man either, it doesn't clearly say whether he ever actually saw the man or not, but if he was on his doorstep, we assume that he was. Which means that the rich man either pushed him away, didn't even notice him, or never helped him at all. And so Jesus is really trying to call out to our sensitivity to our neighbors. And that we need to see the people around us that need help. And in this passage, it is clearly a poor man who has, I'm not sure if he has leprosy, but he was definitely sick in some way and had wounds and said the dog licked his wounds and definitely like that. So you could tell that this was a poor man. But one thing I like to talk about with it is that our neighbors, we might not be able to clearly see that they're poor on the outside. We may have to dive deeper into it and be more sensitive to them and realize and look around at them and see the things that they're going through. So that we can better help them. And so we need to just beware of our neighbors. And we're supposed to give. And a really good analogy that Father gave today was that obviously we're not supposed to do things, we're not supposed to give so that we can receive. But he said to receive we have to have our hands open. And to give we have to have our hands open. And so we must always keep our hands open to serve. And if God, basically if your hand is open, God can give you something to receive, a gift to receive if it's open. And if you're willing to give as well with that hand open. But if you keep your hand closed, it can no longer give or receive. So that's an incredible part of that passage that I really liked about serving and about thinking about others around us and not thinking about just the poor, but even your neighbors right around you who may need help and may not look poor on the outside but need help on the inside. Are you ready to serve? Yes I am. Alright, here we go. Shepherd of the Week. Alrighty, ladies and gentlemen. Today our Shepherd of the Week has had 1,049 appearances in a soccer game. 822 goals, 362 assists. He's played 86,193 minutes and has an average of .78 goals per game. In his entire career. Ladies and gentlemen, the greatest soccer player of all time. Lionel Messi! Alright. Lionel Messi. Alright. Now that I got served, I'm going to talk about it. Okay, so why are we choosing Messi? Like, he's a soccer player. Again, greatest of all time. Argue with me later. Why are we choosing Messi? Like, what's some of the reasons? I want you to do yours first because I would definitely bring up Lion. I would definitely bring up that if I started first. And since that's what you wanted to bring up, I'm going to let you go first. Okay. Because I will talk about it if you don't talk about it first. Alrighty. Well, the thing why he's letting me go first and the reason why I'm doing that is because he's a massive Lionel Messi fan. Maybe the biggest in the entire world. That might be a stretch. But he is a giant Lionel Messi fan. He could go on for hours and hours of all his love for the one and only Lionel Messi. But, myself, you know, I love Messi. He's great. But, you know, I don't follow him a ton. This guy follows him his entire life. So, the reason why I joined in on Lionel Messi as the Shepherd of the Week is because of what Cole had described to me as his humbleness. And what an incredible virtue that is. And what an incredible virtue to have is being named the greatest player of all time. A person who can be named the greatest player in a sport that has been played for over 100 years and with thousands, millions of players playing it all over the entire world, to be a humble character, to be known as a humble person, I think that is a perfect Shepherd of the Week. And, you know, things from, I'm going off basically what Cole has told me about this man. One thing that I've been told is that when he, when people ask him or say things about him being the greatest of all time, his response isn't, yes, I am the greatest. It is, it's just so honored to be mentioned with names up there with some of the greatest of all time. And so, that's just part of his humbleness. And then also, his family life as well, which is a very virtuous act as well. This is a person who has a lot of money, has a lot of fame, and can go around doing whatever the heck that he wanted. But instead, he decided to forego his career in Europe and come to Inter-Miami and Florida so that he could be closer to his family. I'm sure a good amount of, you know, athletes have done this and wanted to be closer to their family, but the greatest of all time is doing this. And he's doing this in his humbleness and in his love for his family and just showing what it means to not only pour into your, you know, this is his work, this is his career, but to also be that father and that husband that he should be. So, those are some of the few things that I love about Lionel Messi that I wanted to mention. Yeah, on the, like, on top of what you said about the family, that's one of his most respectable traits, I think, personally. I love watching just stuff that he'll post on Instagram with his kids or his wife, or he'll be at his kids' soccer game cheering them on. I mean, like, he could be there even though there's, like, hundreds of people there just to see him and father him throughout the entire game. He's still there supporting his kids. One of the best Instagram posts I've ever seen from him was on a Snapchat story when he was at an Ed Sheeran concert. And he's sitting there, and all you see is half his face, and he's next to Santiago, and he's over there just bopping to the side while he's with his son, singing with him. I think it's great seeing that father-son relationship in that family. He's also a very, he's a very Christian man, really keeps his faith and treats his faith extremely seriously every time after, not every time, but after most of his goals, his first recognition goes to God. He dedicates most, like, almost all of his goals to God because that's what he wants to live by. And I think he does a really good job of not being distracted by the world because what I'd like to, like, what I could say on him is, like, we are living Lionel Messi's life. Like, we're living it. We think he's the greatest full-time. We know he's the greatest full-time. We're basically living his life, and he's just, he's living the life of a fan. He just likes to, he just likes to be, he just likes to be part of everything. I don't think he cares that he's up there. He just, like, he likes to be a part of a team. He likes to be part of a family. I think that's why he was so unhappy at PSG. It wasn't that PSG wasn't this great team. It's just that he wasn't, he wasn't, he didn't treat them like a family. They didn't treat him like a family, and it was kind of like he lost that aspect about soccer that he really loved, which is why I think one of the reasons he came to the MLS was for that reason in particular, and I think that's why he's enjoying it so much. I mean, he's playing with such young talent. There's like an 18-year-old kid on that team, and they have a blast playing with each other. It's a lot of fun, and so I just love watching and respecting his career, his attitude, his personality. All of it is so what you want in somebody who's going to be a celebrity in the world. That's what you want. You want people to look at them and want to be them, want to be that person, and if you're this good Christian man, great father, just living a humble life, those are all good virtues that I want to see in somebody that I treat as my ghost. That's who he is, and so I really do think Messi is the greatest of all time, and I don't think it's just for soccer purposes. I think he's one of the most respected athletes out there in the world. Absolutely, absolutely, and so we dedicate this Shepherd of the Week to one and only Lionel Messi. All right, well, we're going to move on. Cole, final thoughts on the good old quote, and then I have at least one question that I would like to ask you of the humorous kind, but do you have any final thoughts on this quote? I feel like there's a good amount that you could go into this, and then there's only so much you can talk about it. Yeah, because it's suffering. It really is. It's just suffering, and it's our life story. Everyone goes through it. Everyone's going to suffer, and if you don't suffer, you're not human. It's just kind of weird if you don't suffer at all, and everyone's come in different forms, but we all must experience it to get to God's heaven because, like you said, it defines the character we will be in our future. Just remember my quote, guys. Remember it, and it's just a piece of suffering because suffering is our life story. Yeah, my final thing on it, and this is something I heard earlier this week as well, and I also can't remember where it was from, but it's talking about suffering and how don't ever expect suffering to end during your life. We are always going to have suffering, but there's another aspect of it, and that suffering is going to be harder at times, and it's going to be a lot easier at times. Sometimes you're going to be able to just hit that suffering right in the mouth and keep going and push through. Sometimes that suffering is going to kick you down and keep you up at night, and you're not going to be able to feel like you can get through it, but we can get through it. We have the strength that Jesus gives us, and he will carry our crosses for us. We have to surrender to him, and one of the most beautiful prayers I think that's out there is, oh, Jesus, I surrender to you. Take care of everything, and if you're feeling that kind of suffering, just sit there. Meditate on that prayer. Say it over and over and over and over again, and just really find a way to keep surrendering and surrendering, and allow him to take control. Good? Yeah. All right, so let's jump into this question I have for you. So in our Bible study, we've had a few moments in Genesis talking about how God has humor, and this is going to be an interesting one, but basically Abraham had fallen to sexual sin, and how did God decide to do the covenant? He decided to use circumcision. So Abraham falls into sexual sin, and God says, oh, do circumcision as your covenant thing that you have to do now. And then, do you remember the other ones? What was the other humorous thing that God had? It was like someone messed up as well, and then God had the covenant thing as well, being like, oh, Esau, and who was his brother? Jacob. Jacob and Esau. Jacob and Esau were even— Yes. Jacob was like— Yeah. —had fooled Esau into giving away his inheritance, and then he had fooled Isaac into giving Jacob the blessing. So then, what happens? Then, when Jacob goes to get his wife, he wants—what's her name? Leah is the wife. So he works for Laban, and Laban promised him that after seven years, he would be able to marry his daughter, Rebekah. But after seven years, Laban showed up and married Leah and Jacob instead, and Jacob walked up to him and was like, what's going on? I just worked seven years for you. And he's like, well, under the tradition of our culture, the oldest is the first one to get married. And he was like, well, shoot, I guess I kind of deserve that. And he's like, okay, so there's another seven years and he marries Rebekah afterwards. This is when the polygamy was still a thing. Yeah. So basically, God has these humorous moments in the Bible of how he gives us our lessons. So my question to you, sir, is do you remember a humorous time that God has either given you a lesson or a teaching or anything like that in a humorous way that you can remember? It's a tough question. I'll try to think as well. A humorous way that the Lord has given you a lesson. I know there's been one. I know there was one really recently. Oh, man, I forgot what it was. It was really good because I thought it was hilarious. It happens quite often. Yeah. I think it's just a way to make God not just seem like, oh, what is the word for it? Like striking down on our sin. Obviously, he hates it. But he can teach us a lesson through humorous ways and not just like, oh, get some comedy in there. Make it more relaxed at times. And sometimes we need it harder, but sometimes we can have more of a humorous day to show. Yeah, I don't know. If you can think of anything, that would be great. I can't think of one myself. I know many have happened, and I know I've been sitting there afterwards being like, wow, God, that was a good one. I've had a couple where I've been able to laugh out loud. Yeah, I really would chuckle because that makes sense. Oh, here we go. The one time when I was here and I had lost my wallet while I had breakfast. My girlfriend was here, and I lost my wallet while I had breakfast with her. And so I had looked. I walked all the way back to Fortunate Cafe, wasn't there. We walked all across campus. You were here for that, too. I think you were here that weekend. And we were looking everywhere. And I was just like, all right, I'm going to go back to my dorm, get my keys, and we're going to just drive to wherever we went through throughout the day across town and just ask if they had it. We went to a sushi place and everything. We got back to the dorm finally, and I was like, I give up. And I walked into the bathroom to go to the bathroom, and sure enough, sitting right there on the corner of the cabinet was my wallet staring back at me. And I remembered that I had set it down there when I went to use the restroom. And I thought that was the hilarious thing in the world, that it was literally where I had been that morning all day. So, oh, another story on that, though. I was going to mention this in the week at the beginning. For those of you on the visual, Nazario's girlfriend's mom bought us both bracelets for the Lost Sheep podcast. They're white and black and have a cross on it. And me being me decided to go to an intramural game, set it on top of my bag, and at the end of the game, I took my bag and forgot that I had set it all in it, and it fell off. And I proceeded to go about my day completely forgetting about it, went and played another soccer intramural game, went back, showered, and I realized I looked down and my bracelet wasn't there. And I was like, uh-oh. So I drove everywhere I had been for my intramural games and finally got back to the gym where my first game was. And I looked around and couldn't find it. Went to the front desk and asked them, and they were like, no, we haven't seen anything like that come in. And on the way out, I don't know what it was that convinced me to look to the left, but I looked to the left and it was sitting on top of the Shake Shack counter. And it was so dirty, I almost didn't even think it was a bracelet. So I walked past and I was like, you know what, I'm going to go look. I walked past and I grabbed it and I picked it up and sure enough, there it was. And I was like, wow, that's insane how that works. That's crazy. Oh, and we plan, I can't promise this, but we plan on ordering some bracelets and maybe some stickers and we're going to give them out. We're going to try to put a Spotify code on them and we're going to give them out for free I think is our goal for a while because we want to get our name out there. So if you would like a bracelet, you can message us. I can't promise you that we're going to do it or not, but I can go ahead and put you on the list if we do and we'll try to get them to you. Do you have a question for me, sir, or? Well, do you have a moment? Do I have a, I cannot think of a moment. Okay, well, I've got a question for you then. All right. It's not theological. Well, I guess you could make it theological. Is water wet? Is water wet? Yep. Gosh, I don't want to answer this. Or is wet water? I really don't want to answer this. What's your opinion? You've got to have an opinion. Is water, yes, water is wet. Okay. But wet, is it water? No. Wet is not water. Why is wet not water? Because I think other liquids can be wet. Okay. Scientifically accurate answer right there. Solid. David, the only right answer for all you people that think wet is water, you're wrong. Water is wet. Yeah, it has to be. That's one of the qualities of water. Exactly. So it'd be kind of weird to say. I don't get how people argue that one. I really don't. I feel like it's... What color was the dress? What, what dress? Was it blue? Or was it gold? Or was it, whatever it is. You know, the dress, the picture of the dress, and it's like, what color is this? And then everyone says, like, a different, it's either, like, one of two colors. I have no idea what you're talking about. Look at it. Get your phone out of the way. Hold on. What is it? What color is the dress? Just a couple of colors. See if it comes up with that. What color is it? Why are there three pictures? Oh, shoot. Hold on. Yeah, but see, it's like a dress that is, like, in people's eyes. Like, because of the one picture that was taken of it, it looks different to different people. Like, there's, like, two colors, so. Wait, wait. I want to see the original. Um. Okay, here we go. What the heck? Why is it changing color? See it in the black? Wait, that's not right. There it is. Oh! Anyways, it's blue. Anyways. Some people see it as a different color. What color do you see it as? I see it as blue and white. Yeah, blue and white. Some people see it as, like, gray and gold or something like that. That's wrong. Sorry, people. Your eyes are messed up. I'm just saying. It's blue and white. Anyways. Yeah. Alright, well, that is all for our episode today. Thank you for listening. We'll get back to you guys next week, which, next week will not, no, it's not going to be our episode on the beach. Two weeks from the, probably two weeks from the beach, I think. Two weeks from the beach we'll be releasing our beach special episode. We're going to have to get our beach clothes. Or surfer clothes. We should wear... We should wear surf clothes. I'm wearing, I've got a Hawaiian shirt on. The whole beach theme is coming out. Be ready for that. Be excited. It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. Alright, guys. It was great talking to you guys. Great getting our opinions out there. We'll see y'all next week. Adios. That was a fun episode.