Racism

The transcription is a conversation between two friends, one of whom is hosting a podcast. They discuss various topics, including their backgrounds as children of immigrants, their experiences with racism in Denmark, and some specific instances of discrimination they have faced. They also talk about the perception of their appearance and how it affects the way they are treated. Overall, they share their personal experiences and observations regarding racism and prejudice in their lives. I am recording. Now is now or never. Okay. We do this? Yeah. Perfect. I wish we had a song that starts the podcast, but we don't. Like a theme song? Yeah, it would be nice to be like... Da da da da da, como mili pili. Da da da da da, como mili pili. Thank you. I forgot to say you have to do this. You practiced? Yeah, I actually did. Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Como Mili Pili. Here today we have Omar. Hello. Please, Omar, present yourself. Say something about you. Hello, I'm Omar. I'm 22 years old. And if you don't understand me, it's because my Danish accent butchers the English language on a daily basis. So it is what it is. Don't worry, I think everyone will understand you because most of the people that listen to us live in Denmark and we're used to like Danish accent. And if you don't understand Omar, well, I'm so sorry for you. I'll do it in live action then, I guess. Yes, and just a bit of an introduction. I met Omar working at a bar. Well, I started working at this bar called Step In. Go to Step In. Yeah, come to Step In. It's a blast over there. And I started working there. And then just a couple of weeks after, Omar started working there. And we met. Yeah, we did. And since then, he doesn't work there anymore. His sister does, which is back there. Say hi. Hi. I don't know if we can hear you, but she's there. And she's my manager, anyways. And now, Omar doesn't work with us anymore, but he is my friend, I guess. Are we friends? Yeah, of course we're friends. Otherwise, I wouldn't invite you to my podcast. Yeah, we're friends. Okay, so yes. And today, I wanted to talk to you, Omar, because we had a conversation once about this. You came to visit me in the bar when I was having one of those shifts. Yeah, that's true. And we talked about how I would love to have you on my podcast and talk about racism. Yeah. That's true. I remember that. We're going to have a blast now. We're going to talk facts. Like everything you're going to hear now, it's facts. No fictions here, only facts. No, that's what we do here in Como Me Le Pile. We don't talk bullshit. So the Danish people, I'm so sorry for what I'm going to do to you now. No, don't be like that. No, I love the Danish people. I had a friend that was like, please don't be harsh on Danes. No, we love Danes. I'll just say the truth. Okay, so Omar, you are originally from? Lebanon. I knew the answer. I just wanted you to say it. Yeah. So yes, I know this answer, but can you tell me a bit about your family background? Just for... My parents are both from Lebanon. And then both of my younger siblings are born here in Denmark. We have lived here all our lives. I've been here 22 years. My sister, soon to be 21. And my younger brother just turned 18 here a couple of months ago. Okay, nice. And then I have both parents. Luckily. Nice. That's because here in Denmark, I don't know if it's only here in Denmark, but divorce is a big thing here. I feel like everybody I talk to, they have a parent that is divorced. Yeah, that's actually very true. A lot of people, I don't know. I guess in the Middle East and some other Arab countries, it's not the biggest thing. Divorce is like, we don't do that. We don't do that. We don't do that. But yeah, and both of your parents are Lebanese? Yeah, both of them are Lebanese. Actually, I think, I don't know. My sister has to correct me if I'm wrong here. Mom is half Syrian, half Lebanese. And dad is half Egyptian, half Lebanese. Yes, okay. So dad, half Egyptian, half Lebanese. And mom. I feel a bit sorry for your dad. He looks Egyptian for you. Yeah. But yes, and they lived here for like most of their lives. Most of their lives. Okay, that's good. My mom came here when she was like 12. And I don't remember how long my dad has been here. Okay, some time, for sure. Well, that's good. I wanted to say, because I'm also like a daughter of immigrants. My parents are like Moroccan. My mom was born in Spain. But my dad was born in Morocco. So I also have a bit of an Arab. International. Not international, but more like immigrant. Immigrant kind of thing. And I wanted to ask you, I mean, we're both pretty white. More with those lights. Because we're getting some harsh lights right now. But we are probably white looking people. Yeah, really white looking people. I don't know about you, but here in Denmark, I can be like, I'm from Spain, and people will be like, Yeah, that's totally, I can see that. And I'm like, can you though? I don't know. Most people actually say I either look Romanian or Italian for some reason. I would say that if you go to Spain, I would say that you look like some Spanish people. Yeah. But most people don't guess Arab the first. A lot of people have actually asked if I'm Turkish. Turkish? No. I wouldn't say that you're Turkish. Maybe you're a sister. You kind of look Turkish, but not you for sure. No, I'm not Turkish at all. That's crazy. I mean, we can whitewash. We are white Arabs. No offense to all the brown Arabs out there. But yeah, I don't know if you get a lot of racism here in Denmark. I do. Because for sure, we don't look Danish. For sure. No, but we get a lot of racism here in Denmark. I think if you do speak perfect Danish, or good Danish actually. Oh my god, no, thank you. You do actually speak pretty good Danish. Okay, stop it over there. I have met people that have been here. I work with construction people that have been here for like 20 years. They don't even know how to say good morning to me in Danish. Okay, okay. So you're far ahead of... I can speak some Danish, but it's true that people, when they come to me the first time, the first thing is to talk to me in Danish, which I think is kind of nice. I mean, it's pretty much expected here in Denmark to learn Danish. I feel like. Yeah, yeah. It's like people go to you in Danish. They're like, I learned the language. The funny part is that when I worked with you in Steben, nobody came up to me in Danish. Everybody came up to me in English. There's no way. Yeah, everybody came up to me in English. Everybody didn't know I spoke Danish at all. Really? Yeah, I remember one shift. It was me, you, Thomas and Sophia, and I was the only Danish-speaking person on duty. It was a nightmare. A nightmare. I had to translate everything. To everyone. Yeah, everything and everyone. And Danish people, especially if they're drunk and they can't communicate with you, they would just start saying outrageous shit. And I remember I had to just argue with everybody at the bar. That night was pretty wild, actually. Pretty wild. You know, the worst part about me working in a bar in Denmark is that sometimes some people are super nice. But sometimes they just look at you and they're like, you don't speak Danish? I'm like, I do, but not until that point. They're like, get me someone that speaks Danish. And I'm like, okay. I have to talk to someone or something. Please talk to this person that doesn't want to talk to me. And they're super rude. I've seen some people being so mean to me because I don't speak Danish. I'm like, okay, I'm trying. I can understand what you want, but I cannot understand if you want something like this, like that, you know? I don't know why they are like that, because they speak English, actually. Here in Denmark, I think almost everyone speaks Danish. We started to learn it in the first grade, I'm pretty sure. They speak pretty fluent English, actually. But I don't know. Pretty much Danish people don't like what they can't control, I think. Like, when they come up to me and speak English, and I start to speak to them in Danish, sometimes they'll actually continue speaking English to me, even though they know I speak Danish. Because you don't have an accent in Danish. Can I say this? I say it every time. White people. That's all I've got to say about white people. Everyone that listens to us is white. No offense, but white people. Yeah, they're harsh. Like, really harsh. I speak fluent Danish, and I've been bombarded by some people. I remember before I had some difficulties with my shoulders, I wanted to go to the army. I swear, everybody I told this to, like, from the older generations, would roast the hell out of me. Like, I remember one guy, actually, on the bar, he came into the bar, and I gave him a beer. And he asked me, what do you want to do when you get further in life? And I was like, I want to become an officer in the Danish army. And he just looked at me and was like, no. I was like, what? And he was like, no. And I was like, yeah. And he was like, no, you don't. I was like, what do you mean? And he was like, no, you're an Al-Qaeda member. I was like, what? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, what does that even mean? I work in a bar? And he was like, no, you will take our strategies and give it to Al-Qaeda. And I was like, bro, Al-Qaeda hasn't been a year for, like, two decades. What the fuck do you mean? Bro, that's insane. It was wild. Have you got, like, a lot of, like, those Islamophobic comments? There were ones I was on the station actually waiting for a bus. And it was pretty late, and I don't know what happened, but this bus just started going up in smokes, like black smokes. And it was someone like me, like an immigrant, that was tramming the bus. And there was these three older ladies in front of me. And it was actually in the corona times. And I was in a black tracksuit, black mask. But when you hear my voice in Danish, you think I'm Danish. Yeah. Oh, but you're covering, like, your face. Yeah. And I'm right behind her, and I'm hearing her, and she says something like, uh, what the fuck is wrong with these people? And I'm just like, yeah, if they can't do anything right, just get them the fuck out. I'm just having a laugh, right? And then she's just, like, turning around, and she's like, yeah, you're right. And then she just looks at me, and just gives me the elevator blanket. She just shakes her head and turns around to her friends. And she was just like, if they don't even know how to drive a bus, they don't know how to be in our country. Oh my god, no way. Do you know what happened ten minutes after? What? I, uh, I'm like, fuck that. We go into 7-Eleven. Yeah. I need to get something to drink. Yes. I give her, uh, here in Denmark, we have, uh, a thousand crowns bill. Yeah. It's, like, a hundred and fifty dollars, I guess. Yeah. I gave it to her. Tell me why this woman start taking a pen and do this? That's not pretty normal. Yeah, that's pretty normal. It's a big bill. Yeah, yeah. But then she takes it up to the light. Okay. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. You would check twice now. Fair enough. Then she goes over to her colleague. Can I, can I take that from him? And her colleague was just like, why wouldn't you? And he, she was just like, look at him. And I just looked like, and her colleague was just like, yeah, you can, you can take that. That's okay. We have money to give him back. Bro. I was just like, bro. And that's for, like, twenty minutes of being on the station in this. Bro. I feel like, I feel like, I don't know if you feel it here in Denmark, but I feel like people outside Copenhagen are way more racist than people in Copenhagen. Because Copenhagen is a very international city, you know. Like, there's people, you can go to many places, they only talk to you in English, actually. But here in the south of Zeeland, it's like, it's crazy. People, like, the Danes I interact with, they're like, okay, man, I didn't know you had such a hate on immigrants. And like, I don't know, it's just like, it's very heavy. It's very heavy. But for them, it's actually, I think for them, it's not like racism or something, but like, imagine if you were a normal Dane, looking up at your government, you see our leader speaking like this, saying, oh, we need to get them out. They're taking our job, taking our money. We need to get good Danish workforce back. But the worst part is the Danish workforce doesn't want to go back, bro. Danish people don't want to work. Like, I'm on a construction site now. Most of us are Arabs, Poles, Romanians, everything else but Danish. The Danish people that do come actually don't know what the fuck they're doing most of the time. Let me be honest, they don't know what they're doing. They're wasting our time. But yeah, like I said, it's just normal for Danish people to be like that. For them, they have a word for them. They call it hyggeratisme. I heard it so many times. To actually translate it, it's like cozy racism. Yeah, cozy racism. It's literally cozy racism. Yeah, they call it cozy racism. They're raising racism cozy. But it's cozy, so it's not really racism. But it is, though. When you look at me like you dumb Arab, and I'm like, that's racism. It's like, no, that's cozy racism. I'm like, that's straight up racism. There's still the word racism in the cozy racism way. I don't know. For me, I don't know if I experienced it like that much. For me, it's mostly the not wanting to learn Danish or coming to Denmark. I feel like there's two kinds of racism here in Denmark. There's the racism for the students that want to come here, get a suit, and then leave the country. You know, get used to get the money and stuff and the education, and then be like, fuck off, I'm leaving. And the racism towards Black Arabs. You know. Different types, yeah. It's like, I get mostly the other one. It's like, you have to learn our country. You have to learn our language, and you have to work here, and you have to do the... Oh, they say you have to work here. Yeah, yeah. I've got customers saying like, but you know you have to learn Danish, you know. And it's like, I'm trying, you know, because I'm living here. I want to be able to communicate with the people. They're like, you have to, you know. Don't have to do shit, though. You don't have to. I love Denmark. I want to stay here longer, but you cannot just force me to learn the language. I'm trying, you know. I don't want. I want out of here as fast as I can. As soon as I'm done with my education, I'm going straight to Dubai. Like, I'm gone. I'm gone. I'm gone. They can speak me Arabic. Do you speak Arabic? I speak Arabic. Like, fluently? Like, we spoke, me and you, and I understood you, but you didn't understand me. Because I cannot understand that Arabic. That's probably because I have all those, like, my parents are mixed. Yeah. Between all Arabs. Yes. But, you know, you're still like Lebanese, and Lebanese is, I don't know if it's Fofha or not. Arabic, like the actual, you know, full on Arabic. I don't know with Arabic. Anyways. But I can hold my own and have a conversation. That's good. That's good. So you can just go there to Dubai. Yeah. They talk English as well. True. And there's no taxes there. They're not, yes. Taxes in Denmark is insane. Oh, fuck taxes in Denmark. It's like, I get paid a pretty good amount and then it's like, half of it is gone. How much do they take for you, actually? I think they take more from me. They take 40, 46, no, 47%. Damn, they take 48 from me now or so. Yes. But why do they take 40, that much from you? It's 8, because I still work here. I'm considered a normal citizen. But I'm a normal citizen too, but I'm putting it on a different card, that's why mine is so high. I don't know. Taxes in Denmark are fucked up. It's like, and then you, I don't feel like, what? What? No. Okay. 8%. Danish talking. What? How am I supposed to say that in English? It's really fine. No one understands taxes in general. No, it's not only that. That's because in Denmark, they take like 40, 48% in taxes and then they have something like a worker's tax. They take 8% too of your working, like your bills, like, what is it called now in English? I don't know. We call it paycheck. Yeah, paycheck. Okay. They take 8%. Haven't you noticed that on your paycheck? Yeah, yeah. I've seen everything they take. Like, I feel like when I get my paycheck, it's just minus, minus, minus, minus, minus, minus. And I don't even want to look through my paycheck anymore. I just look at the left bottom, like where there's two drawn lines like this, that's the final number. I feel like for me, it's more hidden, because they tell me the big amount and the small amount, and then they, in the side, they tell me what all the taxes are, but in the base, I don't know how to explain it. It doesn't matter. It's really hard. The point is, they take a lot of money and then we're, like, poor for the rest of the month. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. But you can see it kind of in the country, like, the taxes, I mean, not the racism. I would say Denmark is a land of the poor. A land of the poor? Yeah. If I was in a poor country, I would 100% try to get to Denmark. Like, free education, free healthcare, free everything. I would come here and scam the shit out of them, and I'd be gone after that. But I live here now, so I can't do that. No, you just said that. I swear, I just said that. I would be scamming them out of... If I was, like, in Nicaragua or something like that, the first country I would be in is Denmark. Like, free healthcare, free education, free... If you are homeless in Denmark... But not everyone gets that, no? They do, though. They call it a krisecenter. You can call 24 hours if you don't have a place to stay. They don't give you a place. If you are homeless in Denmark, either it's because you're really, really, really fucked up and really don't want to try anymore, or it's your own choice. Because here in Denmark, you have a right to a place to stay, and a right to have money and education. Actually, they say you have a right to a good life. Yeah. And then the racism with that, but that's what it is. Maybe that's why it's like, oh my god, it's so... They give us from here and they take from there. It's like, maybe that's why they hate immigrants so much. Because they come here, they take all that free shit, and then they're like, you just said that you would do that. I would, 100%. I would be bro, 100%. You're not helping with the racism, you know that. It is what it is. I'm not gonna be experiencing it all the time, either. Now that I'm getting raced, I'm getting racism, I'm just gonna take advantage of the situation. Now, when I was younger and people were racist to me, I would throw a temper tantrum and scream and yell like a lunatic and throw shit like that. Do you get anything, what is the craziest thing you got if you wanna share? As an assault, attack, racist, something. I had a girlfriend once, one of my first girlfriends I actually got. I came to visit her, and they asked me if I wanted to go down and eat with them. And I was like, yeah, why not? And I came down, I was like, I don't eat pork, just so you know. I don't eat pork. Religion thing, and other things. I know if I eat pork, I would probably get really sick because my body's not used to that. And they were like, yeah, that's fine, it's all good. I came down, ate with them. Tell me why, after we have ate and her dad is like, thank you, her dad is like, come outside with me and have a smoke. I'm like, okay. We go outside and he was like, did you like the food? And I was like, yeah, it was good. Like, what am I supposed to say? And he was like, yeah, now you're a real Dane. And then he just clapped me on the shoulder. Just like, what the fuck do you mean a real Dane? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, what the fuck do you mean a real Dane? And he was like, yeah, you're a real Dane now. You ate some good pork with us. And he just clapped me on my shoulder. I was just like, no, are you serious? And he was like, yeah, that was pork. But they knew you didn't want pork? Yeah. Before I sat down and ate, I was just like, damn. And I started to, I was about to cry. I was 15, 16, I was so mad. Yeah, I was so mad. I was still a kid. I was so tired and so mad. I wasn't having it. And then he just looked at me and was like, if you don't like it, get the fuck out of my country. The fuck? Yeah, and that one there, get the fuck out of my country, I've heard that a million times. Like, they say you have something called Utpringsfeldhandanmark, where you can criticize the government and everything, but you can't if you're brown. You can't go back to your own country. I'm like, you bombed it, so what the fuck are you talking about? You bombed it, bitch. I can't go back. You bombed the shit out of my home. I can't go back to that shit. Bro. Bro, white people play too much. But that's crazy. It's really crazy. That's crazy. I actually ate pork here yesterday in an accident. You ate pork yesterday? In an accident as well. People either don't know how to read, and I'm dyslexic, and I could read that shit. And there's a big sign that stands, spicy chicken? Yes. No worries, spicy chicken. Nothing to worry about there. I take it, and I'm like, it's just a calzone, so I can't see what's inside. I can just see breath, and I'm trusting what they're saying, and I'm going outside, and I'm taking a bite, and I'm like, this tastes hella salty. And I just, the meat just fell down, and I saw it's ham. Yeah, you can just tell. And I just looked, and my friends were just standing there laughing their butt off. And I threw that shit, and I just spat it out. I was just like, damn, bro. I'm just unlucky. But yeah. I got tricked. I think I've done it, I've eaten pork as a mistake a couple of times too, but I just tried to spill it out. I hate when people ask me, do you explode or die or something? I'm like, no, I probably don't. Some people used to ask me, especially when I was little, they used to come up to me, will you explode if you eat pork or die or something? And I was just like, bro. What? Nothing would happen. Probably a stomachache. I don't know. A salty lip, I guess. My mouth was dry. It was dry. How can you make something that dry, bro? I don't know. I've never tried. It was so dry. It made the sauce inside of the calzone dry. Oh my god. It was so bad. Even if I could eat pork, I wouldn't, I should say. I don't know. Don't say that, because pork lovers are all around the world and all that. I don't know. For me, from all the things, pork, never. From all the things in the world, I would never. It just doesn't feel good. It doesn't look good. That's a whole different thing. It's just how it is for us, I guess. It's crazy. I don't know if it's because I was a woman, or in general, because I don't look that Arab, I've never experienced that much racism. Go to your country, or anything like that. I think it came, actually, when the beard came. The beard came. I think, how am I supposed to put this? I think my sister can agree with me on this one. Immigrants come most in two ways here in Denmark. People like you. Or three ways. People like you, coming here, getting an education, trying to learn the language, being here. Then there's me, coming to Skagen, being an asshole, just a dickhead. Shut up, don't say that. No, no, no. You don't help with the situation. Then there's the clean-shaven. We call them soldasol. That's the type, actually, that mostly clean-shaven actually are pretty Danish themselves, and are actually mostly more racist than the Danes. They come in mostly those three categories, immigrants here in Denmark. Either they are extremely work ethic, I need to get a good life, I came here for that good shit, and let's go. Either they have a shitty work ethic, and they just came here for some quick cash, and just about to throw shit down. Exclaimer, I'm just joking. I'm not scamming anybody. I live here, I'm born here. I can't scam anybody, even if I wanted to, I couldn't. The government is scamming me for my paychecks. Damn, bro. If you saw, the biggest mob in the world is... Danish skatte, it's the biggest mobster in the whole world. Goddamn. The tax is stinking, but it's crazy. I got a call from them here the other day. I owe them money. They weren't happy. Lars called me from Skatte. Oh my god. It's called in English. He called me, I was like, I was on the job, and he was like, Hello, am I speaking with Omar Tabar? Yeah, this is very formal. He was like, yeah, I can see you owe 1081 crowns in Texas. Yeah, or 82 pounds, whatever it was. I was like, okay. In Texas? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, how am I supposed to pay them? He was like, either you pay on the side, or we just take them for your next paycheck. If we don't do that, and you don't have a paycheck, we just come to your home and take stuff. And I was just like, what kind of thing? What? That's what they do. You can give it to them. What kind of gang shit is this? What kind of gang is that? Gang? Okay, you said, what kind of gang? It sounded like you said, what kind of gay shit? We have to take a break. What kind of gang shit? We have to take a break, but then we'll be right back. Oh, okay, let me think about this. Yes, you have like one minute. Okay. So, for this part of the ad, and maybe a bit more, we have the beautiful Noor, which is Omar's sister, and she didn't want to join us because she's shy, but she's here. I convinced her to come back. Okay, Noor, tell us the ad. Okay. Fuck. I'm sorry. I can't stop. Lights. They make you look this white, even though you're a brown girl, so you won't be racist attacked by everybody else. Get some lights like these. It's like the sun right in your face. Yes. Also, before you leave and we bring Omar again, have you ever experienced any racism here in Denmark, related to the topic and stuff? I actually have, but not as much anymore, because after starting... We work and step in together. We work together. After starting there, I've learned to stand up for myself, so I'm not as shy when people talk down to me. For example, in high school, it was bad. People were so racist, what you just talked about. The hyggeracisme is bad in Denmark, so that was tough, but now I know when somebody says something to me that's not okay, I'm like, shut the fuck up. That was cute. Okay. I'm really glad to hear that you haven't received... Stand up for yourself. Exactly. For every brown girl, just snap back and they will be quiet. They're very shy when it comes to conflicts in Denmark, so you just gotta put them in their place and they're like, what? Oh my god, yes. Girl, do you wanna stay for the rest of the episode? Okay, we'll be back in one second. Okay, I'm gonna do this. What is it doing? Focus? No, it's focused now. I think so. I hope so. It's focused. Okay. Okay, so yeah, I was gonna say, for this part of the... First of all, the ad. Who wants to do the ad? Do you wanna do it again? You wanna do it again? Should I do the same? It's just that we had a mistake. Fuck, what the fuck is wrong with the lights? Okay, I'm gonna fix it. No. Come get this back in blood. Okay. Now it should work. I'm sorry I did that too close to you. That's okay. I just really hope it focuses. If it doesn't focus, we have to record this again. I don't wanna do that. Is it focused? I think so. I'm not wearing glasses. Yeah, my one contact lens is out, so I can't really see that. You're only wearing one contact lens? Yeah, I removed it while driving. This woman took it out while we were driving. Okay. I just hope it doesn't cry if it doesn't. Okay, guys. Yeah. It looks good to me. Okay. So, like I was saying, I washed out. Okay. The end. Publicity. Publicity. Say something. Oh, the light. Yeah. Get some lights, and you can get this white. Oh, it rhymed. And you can get this white. If you don't wanna have people being racist towards you, get those lights. Because we're whitewashed, and we look like we're white, but we're not. So, actually, get these lights, and take them with you everywhere. They might be big, and they're blinding me right now, but go get them lights. Okay, so... Yes, thank you, Noah. So, for this part of the episode, we got, like... Noah, we're convinced for it to be on this part of the episode. I know what's wrong with my brain right now. But, yeah, Noah, do you wanna present yourself a little bit before we keep going with the topic? Yeah. My name is Noah, and I work with Nadia instead of... She's my boss. Anyways, I am studying to get a bachelor in architectural technology and building management. She just killed us with that. Hell yeah. I'm just gonna be a teacher, so... I'm just a construction worker, so we're really out here. You are the lowest tier. Boy, you better stop saying that. You really are. I swear I am. And, Noah, I asked you this question before, so maybe you would not answer it the same way as before, but have you ever experienced any racism as we talked about before? Yeah. I definitely have. I think it was mostly because between my brothers and I, I was the darkest one. Like, Moma had blonde hair when we were kids, and my little brother is very pale, so I was always, like, when I was a kid, very dark in my skin tone. Yeah, you can see that now. And, like, had black hair, so, like, I always were, like, the black sheep in the family. So people were very good at picking on me and being, like, you know, saying racist stuff. Yeah. And nowadays? Yeah, now it's not as bad as anymore. Yeah. Like, we talked about this before. I learn to stand up for myself now. Yes, girl. Yeah, we think so many people are racist. So people won't really pick on me anymore because when they start to do that, I just hit it down immediately and I'm like, stop yourself. Like, why do you have so much hatred in your heart to be like that, you know? So, as I also said beforehand, Danish people can, not all, but some can be very, like, shy when it comes to conflict, so when you say something to them, like, very strict, and say, I don't like that, then they will stop. Yeah, they're shy. They are shy, but I can relate. I wasn't at the starting line of this podcast. Yeah, but it's fine, it's fine. It's like they close themselves a lot, I feel like Danes, but yeah. Yeah. We don't like to talk to other people. You do, you're very social. Yeah, I'm social like a butterfly. I feel the opposite. I wanted to ask you, when you present yourself towards, like, other people, would you say that you're Lebanese I would say, it actually depends on to who, when Danish people ask me, they can hear I'm born and raised here, so they ask for my ethnicity, so I say I'm Lebanese. But like, when people from, when I'm out traveling, I always say I'm Danish. Yeah. I do the opposite, to be honest. I like to fuck with them when they ask me. I'm always like, what do you mean, where I'm from? That's so funny, because they get so uncomfortable. I like making them feel racist, to be honest. I like making them feel racist. And they all say, I don't really like that. I was just curious. And you're like, about what? I'm Danish, I'm born and raised here. Can you see I'm Danish? Clearly, I'm Danish. Like, blue eyes. Can you see that? Are you blind or something? I love fucking with racist people. Making them feel even more racist. Even greater. When you do it to a person that actually meant it well, you're kind of like, oh, I'm sorry. But sometimes it's just fun and games. Sometimes you've got to make fun of the racist. Yeah. But then I remember all the years of torment, and I'm like, he can take it. He can take this one. You know what I do sometimes? I fake things, and people believe it. For example, I was talking to some people from my uni, and I was telling them, they asked, oh, how is your house in Morocco? And I was like, well, we actually live in a tent in the desert. We have camels, and we live like 35 cousins in the same tent. And they're like, because I'm very straight up serious. I'm telling them, it's my reality. And they're like, oh, really? Wow, that's so cool. Wow. And I'm like, bro, are you serious right now? Have you never seen a picture of Morocco? Have you ever heard of Morocco? It's super funny. And also with internet, in Spain, we have this thing in Morocco that they steal, and they pickpocket and stuff, Moroccan people. So I tell them that my cousins, they all go to a pickpocket school, and they train in Spain, and France, and they're like, oh, that makes sense. Makes sense. What? I'm joking right now. They're like, wow, really? I'm like, are you seriously believing this? You know, you gotta make fun of it. It can be so funny. It can be super funny, actually. But I don't get it that much. We do that a lot, too, but mostly to each other. The racist word for people like us are perger. So to each other, when we do something that's very stereotypical, something someone like us would do, we're like, fucking perger, what are you doing? Get out of the country! And the other people around us are just looking at us like, what is wrong? Actually, that reminds me of what happened to me and Hussein the other day. I got a passport, and Hussein doesn't have a passport. He's just here. He has an airman pass. So he doesn't even. But yeah, we were on the station, and he opened the door for some people, and they just walked by and said nothing, and I was just like, one day it will come to you, and he was just like, what are you talking about? And I just opened the door for these two white guys that just came through. I'm telling you, first time this ever happened to me. But these guys walked past me, turned around, gives me their hands, and says, thank you. You're one of the good ones. And just walks off. Just walks off. Just walks off after saying I'm one of the good ones. And what I did, I didn't even say nothing to him. I went over to my friend Hussein, I clapped him on the back, and I was like, when you become a citizen, you will have this too. That's so mean of you. The worst part is, it's always Hussein that experiences extreme racism. Especially from me and the other guys. I feel like Hussein looks pretty like you. Because he's a, what do you even call it in English? He's an immigrant immigrant that ran to here. We were born and raised here, he wasn't. Yeah, he came to here. I don't know if we call them like that, but we call them patera in Spanish. Not really, I don't know. I don't really know the slang for that. In Spain, the immigrants that we get from Africa, they get them from a boat. It's like that. We call them patera. That's what Hussein would be. That's so mean. I'm sorry, bro. If you hear this, I'm so sorry, bro. Take my passport, I don't care if you can get it. It's all fine. I think Medha's going to take my passport after this anyway, so it's all good. For me, you know what I was thinking? Because I experience this a lot in Spain. Immigrants, there's like two types of immigrants as well. There's the immigrants that integrate themselves, they learn the language, they try to be part of the community, and then there's the immigrants that don't want to learn the language. They want to stay with their own people. They get into hoods, and the hoods are created and stuff. I think it makes a difference as well when you grow up. I saw it myself when I grew up. I was part of the good ones, because my mom was born here in Spain, and she had a job in the school where I studied, so they saw me differently. I have this core memory. There was this girl, we were drawing. We were 10. We were drawing, and then this Moroccan girl came and was like, can I use your pens? The Spanish girl was like, no. My mom told me that the only Moroccan girl that can use my pens is Nadia, not anyone else. I was there, and I didn't process it at the time. I feel like I've told this story before. I did not process it at the time, but after remembering the story, years after, I'm like, bro, that's sick. That's crazy. That's so heartbreaking. Imagine a 10-year-old girl saying, oh, my mom told me that I cannot leave it to you because you're Moroccan, and you're not even a good Moroccan. You're a bad Moroccan. That's crazy. How can you teach that to your kid? So much racism is taught by parents. You get born innocent. You get born with racism in your veins, but you get born into a society and parents teach you that these people are bad, and these people you shouldn't get close to. You wanted to say? I would just say most of those racists are actually their parents that failed them, not even society. I see it when growing up, hate on different people. My family is very chill. For example, the Israeli part, Israel was a bad country or anything until my parents told me that's a bad country. I didn't even hate them. I was like, oh, that's just a country. Now that I know the whole shit, of course, I mean, I didn't even want to talk about it. I have hated them for years. You know that too. I hate them for years. But actually, I have a friend that's from Israel, and her name is Miriam, and her dad is half Danish, like she's half Danish, half Israeli, and her dad is the Israel part, and he hates me, because I'm Lebanese. And you know, that's sad, because racism can also be between, it's a lot between our countries, like Turkish and Arab people behaving on each other. I have yet to come to meet a nice Turkish person, but I'm not a part of it. You kind of look Turkish. Yeah, everybody's like, oh, you're Turkish, and start speaking Turkish to me. I'm like, no. I think you've got the big eyes, and the big eyes is like a very Turkish thing. But it's like, why should we, you know, why should we hate on each other? We've got to support each other, right? But not the Israelis. I'm so sorry. No, but fuck you guys. There's a lot of Israelis who don't support the world. Those that don't support, I'll be loving you guys. The ones that support, and not only the Israelis, also all other people that support, you better get your facts right. Come on now. All Israeli military personnel sucks major ass. Okay, we're going to take another break, because actually I don't know if the camera is good or bad, and I'm getting fucking stressed about it. Yes, I've been looking at the camera. And then we will get him straight. Don't do that. No hate. No hate, we love you. No, we don't love you. Another break, and then we will close the episode for today. So, let's just close it up. We're going to close up, and let's just say a whole a whole prayer. No, hold on. I think this episode is interesting. Definitely controversy. Kind of interesting. All I want to say is that racism sucks. Racism in Denmark is a reality. And we are lucky to be white Arabs. I'm not going to lie. People get it worse. People get it worse. People definitely get it worse. I'm telling you, people get it worse. I've heard crazy shit about racism. Crazy shit. Actually, I feel like black people in Denmark are loved. Black people in Denmark are loved, but not all black people. For example, Somalis, they get a lot of hate, too. And that's so sad. It's truly really sad. We have some Somali friends that get a lot of racist shit. And they're pretty good people. Maybe we should also just say a real quick disclaimer that we don't hate Danish people. No. And this man might be talking pimping ash. I'm talking shit. Don't listen to him. We are having a laugh, actually. We love Denmark. And lots of the things he said is a joke. You can come talk with me in real life. I'll say the same stuff in real life. It's just jokes. I just wanted to say that. And I think we can say goodbye for today. Okay, bye everyone. Thank you for today.