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Episode 1: Why We’re Here In our very first episode, we share why we started Kind of a Mess with M&M — a podcast for honest conversations about womanhood, motherhood, and real self-care. From postpartum truths to herbal healing (plus a few Moodswings — the highs and the “could-be-betters”), this is your invite to join us in the messy, beautiful middle of it all.

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The podcast "Kind of a Mess with Minae and Morgan" features two friends, a nurse and a naturopath, discussing health, womanhood, and self-care. They started the podcast to create an open space for conversations. Morgan shares her journey to naturopathy due to personal health struggles, emphasizing the importance of lived experience in healthcare. Minae, a nurse and new mom, talks about her postpartum challenges and self-care routines. They highlight the significance of discipline and self-care practices tailored to individual needs. The friends stress the value of surrendering to life's journey and embracing discipline for personal growth and well-being. Welcome to Kind of a Mess with Minae and Morgan, the podcast for moods, mess and meaningful conversations. We're two friends, a narcissist and a nurse, here to share stories, insights and honest chats about navigating health, womanhood and everything in between. So grab a cup of tea or a wine and let's get into it. All right, well hello. Hello. How are you? I am good now that I'm feeling revived. Feeling revived? And alive. And alive, me too. What did we just have? We had a kylo, vanilla chai, and protein powder. It was a bloody delish. Delicious, I'm still having my nap. It put a pep in our step that we needed. So good. If you're a chai lover, you'll appreciate it for sure. Yeah, for sure. Well, my name is Minae. I'm from Laplandi. Well, I'm the founder of Laplandi. And Morgan and I started off as doing like a little joke and just seeing how we were in front of the camera, posting videos. And we've actually had a bit of attention. People asking us what we want to do and what we're about. So we thought, fuck, why not? Let's start a podcast. Life is all about going for it, I reckon. Couldn't agree more. Yeah. And so we thought, every Tom, Vic and Harry is doing a podcast. Why not join them? If they can talk to us, why can't we? So we decided to make a podcast. And it's called Time to Mess with Minae and Morgan. We don't really explain much there, really. We are messy. Yeah. But apparently, pretty much, it's about creating an open, unfiltered space about womanhood, motherhood, reproductive health and self-care. Do you have anything to touch on that? No, that pretty much sums it up from my perspective. But yeah, just highlighting that Minae's a nurse, I'm a naturopath. So we come at this not only through lived experience, but also clinical experience as well. Totally. Well, we are so green. But I feel like everyone's taking the ride with us. Yeah. So you can be green as well. And by the end of it, we'll be gold. We'll be gold. We'll be gold. I understand. So it's green turns to gold. All the time. Sometimes, actually. I don't know. We're the diamonds in the rough, okay? But yeah. Morgan, tell me your story. Well, my story, I guess I should introduce my business as well. I am the founder of Anara Naturopathy, which is a naturopathic clinic that I established probably about a year ago now. And that, as many naturopathic journeys start, is through personal experience. And yeah, I just had my own issues, I guess, with reproductive health, mental health, thyroid health. And I found that I wasn't getting the exact answers that I needed through the mainstream medical models. And at the time, I decided to see a naturopath. And the naturopath was able to help me manage a lot of the symptoms or conditions that I was experiencing. And because of that, I had to know what she was doing. And I was like, cool, at 24 years old, I am going to embark on a university degree no matter what I do. So that was my journey to naturopathy. And every day, I am so grateful that I went through the health conditions that I went through. Because if I didn't, I wouldn't be living a life where I wake up every morning, and I'm just genuinely so excited to help my clients and spread the herb love, as I like to say. Yeah, the wisdom. The wisdom, yeah. Do you know what? It's actually really amazing because when I was a little student nursing, we went through a mental health placement. And there were a lot of advocates that would come into these spaces and talk about lived experiences. And they would have had mental health concerns or situations throughout their life, and then come out the other side of it, but would then go back to these people who are currently going through it and talk about their lived experience. And I think there's something so amazing about that because it really does open up a space for people to really feel understood and seen, and not just be like, okay, this person is telling me X, Y, Z, but have they been through what I've been through? Yeah, no. They've learned it in a textbook, and now they're trying to tell me how to live my life. They are theorizing what they've learned on me. But when it's a lived experience situation, I think it's so different in the respect that you definitely value whoever is telling you what they've gone through. You value their opinion a little bit more. For sure. I couldn't agree with anything more, and I find myself so much more confident in certain aspects as a naturopath. Other areas I find myself not so confident because I don't have that lived experience. That's not to say you have to go through all these traumatic health conditions to be able to be a great nurse, be a great doctor, be a great naturopath. But yeah, like you said, the lived experience really just adds a depth to the therapeutic relationships that I don't think that I would have without it. Totally. So yeah, that is my story. Amazing. I can't wait to know more. And how about you? Well, I am a registered nurse by trade, but more recently I've become a mumma to Lani, our beautiful, darling little boy. She's so good. And I guess love Lani sort of stems from my postpartum journey and sort of the hurdles and obstacles I faced mentally and the shift in my world and then needing to sort of carve out moments for myself that I didn't really know how that looked at the time. And I felt myself sort of spiralling, to be honest. And so it wasn't until I actually had you give me a little herbie and say, girl. Girl, drink up. Let's help you out. And it sort of created a little ritual and a little routine for me that made me feel like I was doing something for myself and not just for my beautiful child. And so that's how love Lani sort of often. Wow. Yeah, because my postpartum journey, what I expected versus what it was is so different. So different. And I feel like a lot of women will relate to that. Like what they expect versus what actually happens is completely different. So different. And that's okay. And it in its own way is beautiful. Yeah. Because it kind of reiterates that, you know, you can plan life, but life probably has another plan for you. Sometimes you have to surrender and go with the flow. And if you didn't have that postpartum journey that was not in your plan, love Lani potentially wouldn't have been birthed. We may not be here. We may not be in my new house. Exactly. Sitting next to each other, across each other, staring in your beautiful eyes, talking about doing a podcast together. Honestly, it's so crazy to say. Now that I'm saying that, I'm like, oh my God. And how it just came into fruition just so organically, but quickly, but so smoothly. Yeah. Kind of just reiterate. Like as if it was destined. Yeah. And that's where we can almost circle back to the surrender point of postpartum. But I guess we'll talk about this in future episodes. Yeah. In a way, way deeper way, way, way, way, way, way, way deeper, but just surrendering to like the tide of life. Because sometimes like it sounds very cliche to say, but I think the universe knows more than what you do. Hundred percent. Like loosen the grip. We are woowoo girls. Oh, very. We are woowoo girls through and through. We absolutely love it. Look at the universe for signs. So shout out to the woowoo. Shout out. You'll get a sprinkle of that everywhere. Morgan, what does self-care really look like for you? Self-care for me, I will say it is different for absolutely everybody, which I'm sure we will touch on 7 million times in this podcast. But I will say self-care for me is like discipline with myself. And it's knowing that when I make a promise to myself, I carry it through. And I know for everyone, that's not possible. Obviously you're a new mom. If you make a promise to yourself in an hour and then Lani needs to feed in an hour, you need to be a little bit more mutable with your time. But for me, it's really important. For instance, that I exercise 30 minutes every single day. If you don't do your 30 minute exercise, what is the effect of that? Like what does that look like? Anxiety. So I hold all of my anxiety and all of my emotions in my body. And whether that exercise is a walk or a weight workout or Pilates, it can vary depending on where I am at in my cycle. But if I don't get that 30 minutes of exercise in, I promise you the next day will not be a fun time for me. So it's like having that discipline to be able to look forward and be like, even if you necessarily or don't necessarily want to exercise for 30 minutes now, 30 minutes in your day is nothing compared to what you'll feel tomorrow. I've got my hand up. Is this not the frog scene? Eat the frog. Eat the frog. And then exercise in the morning where possible. If I can exercise before 10am, it's done. Whereas if I get home from 5, I get 5.30 from work. The last thing I want to do when it's dark time is, dark time, night time, is exercise. When it's dark time, and for now I have the vocabulary of a two-year-old, when it's dark time, it would be focusing on the dark mode. The dark mode. I really feel like working out at that time. That's when I'll probably opt for something more gentle, like I'll go for a night time walk with my dog, or like I'm in a safe area so it's all lit. But for me personally, I know I thrive on that slight discipline because that tiny regimented time in the day allows me to flow more freely for the rest of the day. That is honestly, it's crazy. Discipline is such a hard thing for a lot of people, but it's so important. Discipline really does make you feel gratitude in your life. And it makes you feel on track. It makes you feel good in the end. Empowered. Exactly. Because things aren't meant to be necessarily easy. So disciplining yourself and saying, I need to work out every day, or try and achieve that, sets yourself and your future self up for success. Like a hundred percent. I couldn't agree more. And I think I listened to a podcast a while ago, and it was like, choose your heart. Choose your heart. Choose your heart. They're both going to be hard. Choose your heart. Yeah, hard for 30 minutes, hard for 24 hours. And again, everyone's so different. For some people, that kind of routine will not work. I don't have children. I have a very flexible work-life balance. It's easy for me to achieve in my day. So you know, take what you want from that and kind of, you know, if it works for you, it works for you. If it doesn't, figure out what does work for you. And in saying that, what is yours, Mo? Well, mine looks a little different these days. I definitely did like to go to the gym and just huddle around my house, sitting clean. But having an eight-month-old, it's just, it's different. It's very different. Totally different. It's a massive shift in my world, so I won't lie. It's a beautiful shift. It's probably one that I needed. The most magic shift, really. Yeah. But to me, self-care looks like getting up in the morning, having my supplements, and my mushrooms, whether that is, you know, first thing in the morning. I used to make myself a coffee. First thing in the morning, make myself a coffee. Now, I don't always. Sometimes I do. With the flexibility we allow. But I'll have some of my mushrooms, and I've found a massive difference in that. Awesome. Just feeling like a little bit more flowy, you know? You're not getting that cortisol, like, boom. Spike, and then being like a massive depletion. Yeah. And just feeling like I've hit a roadblock. Yeah, you're like 1 p.m., and you're like... Supplements, to me, are a massive thing because, honestly, when you've got a child, you're on the go. I don't have the luxury of being able to go to the gym, and I'm not someone who can work out at home. Yeah, okay. So, that's my form of self-care. Love it. Beautiful. Skin care, supplements. That's what it looks like to me. When I am at my second home, which is down the coast, thank you to my parents. Bless the parents. I love being outdoors. Going for a walk with Lani, we both absolutely love it, and there's something so different in the salty air. Isn't there? Seeing the blue? There's a theory about that, isn't there? No, there isn't. Blue theory. And also about the salty air. Oh, okay. Different charges in the... Oh, yeah. Negative ions. Yes, I have heard that. Same as touching the earth. It's a negative to a positive charge that helps you recalibrate. Yeah. Yeah. Love that. So, when I'm there, I feel most at peace. Yeah. Yeah. Which is beautiful because you know, at the end of the day, obviously, we live in the city now, but getting that little snippet of life, you know that for the future, that may be like the beach is your true home or where your heart will be most at home. The beach is my true home. That's where my heart lies. Yeah. I... That's my goal. That's your goal. That's the goal. I love the beach. I don't like swimming in the ocean. I hate admitting that. I do. Okay, good. Well, I do like putting my body in the water. Yeah. I like feeling the freshness. Yes. It's like, helps you feel alive. Yeah. But I'll be honest with you. I'm not a head dunker. No. I'm not a swim under the waves. I just love to sit. Yeah. And observe. Yeah. And take in the environment around me. Calm. And fully just like, be grateful for where I am. Oh, no, that's beautiful. Yeah. No, I love that. Well, I want to go to the beach with you next time and I want to sit in the water. Yeah, let's have a snapper. Yeah, I want to sit in a snapper and calm my nervousness with you. This is so beautiful. Everywhere my husband and I travel to, we always end up going to coastal places. Okay, interesting. We're both water signs. Yeah. So I'm a massive believer that we are attracted to more coastal destinations. Neither of us really vibe on the inland. Yeah. We will go to cities, but- Not like bush, greenery, creeks. No, you want to see me at a mountain. Oh, I love. You will see me at the coast. Coast. Isn't that cool? I hope we could go into that a little bit more in a future app. Totally. But I've actually been waiting for this part of our potty. You're excited, are you? I'm excited. Because we've decided- Yeah. That we're going to do mood swings. Mood swings. Mood swings. In life, what does mood swings mean? What does it entail? Well, so we all go through mood swings. Don't we just? We all have highs and lows. We all have funnies and not so funnies. Happies and sads. Yeah. So Morgan and I are just going to get real for a moment. Well, we're real all the time. We're real. Probably maybe too, no, that's actually not too real. Like, shut your mouth. We are oversharing. It's funny, like, being mysterious and you don't want anyone to know everything about you. Okay, I have to tell something. I have to tell it and I think I'm just embarrassing myself. It embarrasses me, I tell you. When we were making our comments at school, Morgan said to me, Mo, I have to tell you something. And I said, tell me. And he goes, I'm horny. And I honestly, that's the best thing. Transparency is the best. Exactly. And when I feel something, like- Oversharing is so good. Yeah. Like, I have to tell you. It's just, you know what? Oversharing helps to either figure out whether that person is going to go below the iceberg or they're just going to stay above the surface. I didn't know where you were going there. Did you see my face go? I don't know if I can roll with this. Okay, I sometimes fuck up my, um, what are they called? Yeah, I get it. It's just a metaphor. But I was like, keeping the iceberg, it's like people show the image where they've got the top of the iceberg, and it's like what you know. Yeah, and then what's actually really deep down. Yeah. I get what you mean. You want to test people, like test the waters out to see if they can really, like, dive under the iceberg. If they can handle me. Handle the- At my level. I would say handle the heat, but handle the ice. Can I handle the ice? The iceberg, you get it? It's still good. It's still, yeah, okay. I still get it. Okay, handle the heat. Can they handle the heat? I think that we can both definitely handle the heat. I feel like we're totally digressing. Always. Back, back to Mood Sling. Back it up, back it up. So Mood Sling is about a high and low of our week, um, and- We'll be doing it every week. Every, every podcast we'll be talking about a Mood Sling, and we want to hear yours. Yeah. Because this space is about conversation, about relation, about fucking everything. Everything. Everything. Literally anything that pops into our brain is going to go on this podcast. We are your new best friends. Exactly. Exactly. So who are you going to call? My name, Morgan. We also think we're funny. Yeah, so you can, if you don't think we are, then maybe move along. Just fuck off. Yeah. Joking, we are all about love. All right, Mo, my darling, I'm going to swing you back in for Mood Sling. What was your- We're going to start with the low, I think. Yeah, start with my low. Start with the low, because we all have them. What was the low of your week? My low was actually today. Okay. So my neighbor, God bless, has dug up a whole entire front yard. Did notice that one when I walked in. But I didn't realize the extent of what it was going to be. And then asked me to move all of the trees and stuff that they cut down. So this morning, I had Lonnie strapped to my chest. In his carrier, while I was lugging these big branches to a trailer. I witnessed it all when I woke up. Yeah. Look, it was an amazing vision when I was driving down the street, seeing Mo out the front with Lonnie strapped on and her so elegantly throwing these twigs over into the trailer. I'm like, oh, I loved it. Probably not an ideal way to start a busy morning, really. Yeah. Not ideal. Not ideal. Especially because I also forgot. Like, we did touch on it on Sunday, but I was like... It's hard to come to terms with it, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. You need to go back to me. Yeah. And here he is. Telling you as well, but you've got to give me... You've got to book yourself in, darls. ...several opportunities to remember. It's out of my head. I always say to my mum when she's telling me to do something, I'm like, unless you write it down, it's out. It's gone. It's just gone. Text me. Put it on a note. Please don't give me verbal instructions. Or verbal instructions. Follow up. Follow up. Ten times. With written. With a text. So that was my Maggie mood swing. Maggie mood swing. But my posi mood swing. Love, yep. Bring it to me. My posi mood swing. Yeah. Was. Singing. No. No. That's a lie. I don't. Usually I am a yes man. You are. Woman. You are a yes woman. You, yeah. I don't like to let people down. I'm always yes, yes, yes. People pleaser could probably come in there a little bit. I've tried it. Yeah. It's a bit of a, it's a double-edged sword, that one. Yeah. Being a people pleaser. So I needed to, the last few weeks have been hectic. Lots of stuff going on. Moving house, starting back at work, starting learning at a new daycare. It's just all going off. And so many new. So many new things. Yeah. Accounting. I'm getting my hair cut this week. I'm going to be a new person. I'm cutting it short. It is a quick season. So they're saying that everything that isn't serving you anymore should go. Gone. Gone. Gone. Gone are the days when you say yes to things you don't want to say yes to. You're a no, well, you're not a no woman. I'm not a no woman, but I understand. Boundaries. Sometimes no. Strong boundaries. Strong bounds. You'll be like that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you've hit the bounds. Yep. No, no, you're not allowed in there anymore. You're not welcome. You're not welcome. So I cut back on a bit of the commitment that we had the weekend. And I just, I was by myself on Saturday night and Sunday for half of the day. And just, I was just with Lani. I had the house to myself. It was such a good and needed reset. Like I really just felt like the last few weeks were go, go, go. So being able to say no and not feeling bad about it was amazing. Magic. Amazing. Well, I'm very proud of you. Must I say. Thank you. Must I say. Must you say. Give me your next thing, sissy. Well, my negative for the week, I was just thinking actually, I've changed mine. Oh, okay. I went to the hairdresser yesterday. Okay. And I got a keratin smoothing treatment for the second time. Which I love. I love keratin smoothing treatments. I have naturally very curly hair. So I wanted to trial it out before we go to a styling holiday in a few weeks. However, my hairdresser and I had a conversation yesterday saying that even though the keratin has been really helping me with styling my hair, it has broken it off more than we would like. So this is going to be my last keratin treatment. And are you just getting into the curly girl mess or? I think so. Maybe watch this space. Maybe we can go on that journey together. We do love a journey. We do love a journey. We love a journey. We love a watch this space. Yes. We love it totally. Yeah. We love it 100%. 100%. Yep. Yep. So that was my low. Which is fine. I love my hairdresser and I'm glad that we could have had that honest conversation. Because I feel like maybe there's a lot of hairdressers out there that wouldn't have been so honest. I don't know. But yeah, it's not so good. But yeah, that was my kind of negative, I guess. And my positive, which is so basic bitch coded. It's not funny. But give it to me. I have mastered the perfect matcha recipe at home. Okay. Can I just say? Yeah. I was way, way, way, way, way on the matcha train before it was a train. Can I say me too? I remember when I was like six or seven years old. Oh no. Fucking loved matcha ice cream. Really? Oh gosh, no. You were way behind. Way. Hi, I'm behind a lot of things. It is not one of them. Yeah, look, I definitely enjoyed it. But it isn't until recent that they started making them properly in Australia that I have a real appreciation for that. Do you know that there's like almost a matcha shortage? There is. And I think that's why it's so expensive. It's literally sometimes $14 for a matcha. What the frickery. What the frickery. What the frickery. I remember the first time I switched from buying a coffee to a matcha. I don't know if I got it actually this time last year. Did you think it was going to be the cheaper alternative? Yeah. I thought it was going to be cheaper or maybe like the same price. And then I can't remember if they said like maybe $10. And I almost fell off my chair. I was like, oh, OK. My coffee addiction goes from like $5 a day or my coffee addiction to $10 a day. And hence why I've had to master the recipe at home, which I dare say it's taken me three weeks to really get the ratio correct and get the spinning so it like frosts the milk properly. Are you going to let us inside your brain and figure out the perfect combo? Or are you gatekeeping? I would never gatekeep. But I do fear that me eyeballing the amount is hard for me to put into words. Totally. Should I measure it and bring it to the next air? So you're telling me your eyes have a measuring jug in them? Yeah, exactly. Amazing. Exactly. Yeah, I know. I try. You know what? What? That's like me. I look at my son and I say, you need boob. Yeah, you need boob. You need boob. Mother's intuition. I can look at you right now and I can tell you need boob. But it's beautiful. It's like that connection is like not to go on a tangent because I'm sure we'll get into this later time. But that's beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. That was so weird. I don't know why I inserted myself there. I'm sorry. Because you are weird. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You've been inserting yourself forever. Never stop inserting yourself. Sometimes that ADHD girl really comes up to me and I'm like, I want to say something. I'm so mean to her and I feel like that's why we can live our friendship without guilt because we both just... I'm like, insert myself. I'm like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. I was listening and I didn't mean to butt in. Can I just say my point? You have to say my point. And we'll circle back. We'll circle back. I swear, we'll never circle back. Sometimes we have about 10 conversations in the space of five minutes because we both love each other all. But it's fine. Do you know what? I feel really seen and validated. And I never, for some of my other friendships, I leave and I have this guilt, which I know I shouldn't. But I never have that with you. And I'm like, it's because we meet each other exactly at the same level. Our trains are... Not on the track. We are bullet trains. We are bullet trains off the track. Off the track. Not on the track. Off the track. Okay, we are getting off the track. Okay, so tell me. Tell me. What is a little moment of gentle practice that you've been incorporating in your week or in your time? I think in my week this week, I have been making a way more conscious effort. That was not a well put together sentence. How do we find? To wear sunscreen every day and actually not wear makeup. Okay. Because I want my pores to be a little less congested. I want to feel a little bit more radiant in my own skin. I love makeup. I love makeup. But also sun protection. Like I will say, I have been a little bit flacko with the sunscreen for my whole life. Someone that comes from Irish heritage should probably not be flacko with the sunscreen. Well, you know what? I'm Polynesian and I am flacko. Flacko, yeah. And I shouldn't be. No one should be. Regardless of like, you just gotta put flack on. You do. Because it also is about your skin's aging property and trying to preserve that. And I have already noticed, I don't want to get into it because aging is a beautiful process, blah, blah, blah. But we obviously are a victim of the society we live in. And I think I have been looking in the mirror, you know, nearing on 30 now. Nearing on 30? Nearing on 30. 29 years old I am. Are you kidding? Nearing on 30. But crazy. I welcome 30s as a decade, like big time. But I will say, I think not wearing sunscreen often for my 20s. Do you think that's been damaging? Oh, I think so now. I used to be a bit more hippie doodah and think, I'm not in the sun. Hippie doodah, hippie doodah. Whoa, I love that one. I'm using that, hippie doodah. And I was like, I do think the sun is a lifesaver. And like, I think vitamin D is important for literally everything. And I think that's why I didn't wear sunscreen for such a long time. But now as I age, I'm realizing that, hey, you know, you can go get your 15 minutes in the morning. But after that, like, little things we don't even think about, like driving in our car, which I've never thought of. No, okay. One time I was driving to the coast and I had, like, my arm resting on the dash, or on the, like, side of the car. And I'm not even joking. I got sunburn on one side, not sunburn on the other. And I looked like a fucking woman. I just had these two, like, different shades of brown on my arm. And you don't, it's little things like that that you just don't think of. And look, you can't look back in time. You can only look forward. So that's why it's my ritual now. And I think that it will be a ritual for life. Mother SDS, are we allowed to put the brand of the sunscreen I'm using? Because I am. It is beautiful. And that is the, yeah, ritual that I've been including in my week. I will say I absolutely love this stuff. It's brilliant. And also, they're illuminating girls. Yeah. Are a game changer. And again, I'm throwing on too much detail now, but did you know that blue light can be as damaging as the sun? I have only learned. Oh my god. I was like. Blue light. We almost see that. We see that every day. Every day. Every day. Constantly. Like, let's be honest, if you have a minute there. If you're not looking at your phone. Google it. Google. Oh, don't Google it. Google what? Google blue light. You've injected yourself again, haven't you? Anyway, what are we doing about sunscreens now? On to your daily ritual, please. My daily ritual. Look, to be honest, I don't really have one right this minute. But I try. And that's always what I do. I try, and then sometimes it's too high fasted, so I don't. And I don't kick myself in the gut that I can't do it every single day, but I try to. That's the key, I think. I try to. I always, without a doubt, will wash my face and put my Talo Balm on or my Wix Talo Moisturizer. And that's, I guess that's like. Definitely. My gentle practice. You do that every day. Every day. Yeah, there you go. It's like when I brush my teeth, I brush my teeth and then I close my face. I put my moisturizer on and then I'm good to go. Sometimes if I'm working, I'll put my Illuminating Drops on because my face is like two, like my face and my skin are two different shades. Yeah, which I think is normal. Yeah. Yeah, especially because we're like. But I look sick. Yeah, okay. People are like, wow, you look really good. I went to work the other day without makeup on and one of the ladies that I work with, she goes, are you still feeling okay? We're starting a new ritual. And you were just telling me that I don't feel like that. I'm like, okay. Sorry, I've been doing things. Does it not do your head in when people do that? Oh, you look really sick. I'm like, don't comment. Yeah. Don't comment on how I look. Unless you're going to say something positive. I've had like negative two hours of sleep. Yeah, I'm having all of the nutrients like sucked from me. But yeah, cool. I'm tired. Yep, exactly. Exactly. Oh, gosh. Anyways, well, we have pretty much made it to the end of our episode. That is so exciting. Do you feel good? I feel amazing. I feel like it has been a cup filler. Cup filler. For sure. Also, can I just say, we've done this in one entire page. Yeah. Yeah. So good. So good. And I think it just proves that for anyone that feels like the little niggles to maybe do something, to just ignore what other people think and just do it. Like, it doesn't even matter if it doesn't equate to anything. Me talking to you right now is therapy in itself to me. We're talking to an entire group. Yeah. So whenever else comes of it, hopefully we can help hundreds, thousands. But if we just help each other, then that's all we really need, right? Exactly. Exactly. So anyways, if you've made it this far, we want to say thank you. Thank you so much. And we want to know about your mood swings of the week. So put it in the comments, DM, give it to us. We would love to hear. The juicy details, too. If you want to give us juicy, give us juicy. Yeah. And we are hoping that you can be here for Extra Truths when we talk about a little bit about my postpartum, about the truth nobody tells you. And yeah. Yeah. We will see you then. Bye. Bye.