Flicker in the Dark Final

The Lit Sisters discuss their upcoming thriller book, "A Flicker in the Dark" by Stacy Willingham. They talk about their preferences for reading and why they chose a thriller as a palate cleanser. They briefly mention their interest in historical fiction and the challenges of discussing serious topics in a lighthearted way. They then provide a brief overview of the main characters in the book, Chloe, Daniel, Cooper, and Aaron. They mention Chloe's job as a psychologist, her tendency to daydream and take pills, and her traumatic past. The episode ends with a discussion about the engagement party surprise and Chloe's anxiety. Welcome back to Hidetales with the Lit Sisters. I'm Nicole. And I'm Marissa. Alright, and we're doing something a little different today. Yes. We have finished what is out of the ACOTAR series at this point, and we're going to do a little palate cleanser book in between the big series that we do. Because, frankly, we need a break. We do. We need a little fantasy break. Well, we need to take the pressure off. Like, when you are going after, like, five books, that's overwhelming. And they're fantasy books. And we know there's more books coming out, so we're trying to pick up the little, like, things in between. Fantasy is a little—it's a lot. Well, we have to build the world for you, and our palate cleanser is actually in our world, so we don't have to be like, oh, and there's something called iPhones. And people talk on them and communicate back and forth. Amazon. So, we are going to try a thriller right now. So, for this episode, we read A Flicker in the Dark. I don't remember who wrote it. I mean, if I were you and my notes, I would have put the title and the author, but whatever. Wow! Wow! I think her name is Samantha. Stacy Willingham. So, A Flicker in the Dark by Stacy Willingham. I've read a couple of thrillers before I got my love of reading back again. Thrillers were kind of my go-to, in all honesty. It's been hard for me to get into thrillers this round, in my 40s, because I feel like the whole time I'm just trying to go, like, that's what they're doing. They're throwing me off on purpose. That's not that person, because they're making me think of that person, and it's not that person. So, I'm just trying to figure out who it is the whole time. I will say, I feel like this book, there was a good plot behind it, and so I liked, like, the psychological thriller aspect of it, instead of just a straight, like, thriller about different things. So, I enjoyed this one. I enjoyed this, too. I will say, I'm usually, like, a lot of sci-fi. Yeah. And I do a lot of fantasy, and I do true crime a lot. A little bit of historical fiction. But my husband's the one who, like, if he reads anything not work-related, it's going to be, like, some sort of psychological thriller. Yeah, right. Well, and in all fairness, I'll be honest with you guys, we picked a thriller because we both like reading historical fiction. We talked about it on here, but we didn't think we could be funny about a serious topic. Yeah. We're going to wait to get a little bit better at this. Turns out, it's frowned upon to make jokes when you're talking about the Holocaust. Not really. So, we've got to figure out a good balance there to make it entertaining, but also, like, recognize the fact that it's sad AF. Yeah. Yeah. And all the historical fiction books I've read, I've cried, and I'm not a big crier. Maybe we go historical fiction of, like, Tudor dynasty. More, like, less, like, war. There's probably sex in it. Well, I mean, Victorian sex, which doesn't count. Do it through a bed sheet. Are you, like, war clothes and stuff today? Maybe it's Handmaid's Tale. Maybe we read Handmaid's Tale. Oh, I actually read the Handmaid's Tale for school and loved it and watched the, like, 1970s version. There's a 1970s version? You have to watch the original. Oh. Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah, there's the original movie from, like, the 1970s, 1980s. Okay. Watch it. Oh, maybe we can read the Handmaid's Tale, watch the movie, and podcast about both of those. They're not maidens. It's just Handmaid's Tale. Well, they're maidens in my book. All right. So, I don't think we're going to talk about, like, what we're most excited about. I think you've already heard it. I think it's more, we're, I'm excited to read a little bit of thriller. Like, I do think it's fun to be thrown off by what we think is going to happen and, like you said, not to have to worry about it not being in this world at all. Like, understand. Also, we don't have to mispronounce anybody's name. Wow. Yeah. They're easy. But also, this was a, the palette cleanser I used as an opportunity to check if I could do a book on tape instead. Oh, you did. I'm not even getting the benefit, the main benefit of books on tape is, like, we won't pronounce everything horribly wrong. True. Yeah, you didn't do poorly. So, was it Chloe or Klaas? Oh, I did the recording, so I know it's Chloe. Oh, it's Chloe. Yeah, yeah, Chloe. Not Chloe? No, no. You're welcome. Thank me on that one. Wow. All right. So, we start off the book. It is May of 2018. First of all, can I just say, I love that she did it just, like, right pre-COVID, because otherwise you would have had to, like, call out COVID shit. That's actually a good call out. And she was probably like, I don't want to do that. Yeah. Because the whole world changed. We entered a new timeline after COVID. I feel like I even don't watch, like, watching movies that aren't, like, classics from before COVID, because I'm like, it just feels like these are irrelevant problems now. So, the world has fallen. Did you not know? Shit went down, and you aren't even, you don't even care. I didn't have toilet paper for three months. I did. But because my Amazon ordering, like, I had a subscription pre-COVID, and, like, you really have to figure it out. Do you remember how hard it was to find hand sanitizer? Yeah. Like, no one could find hand sanitizer. I randomly had a bunch of bottles of, like, straight alcohol, and I, like, made hand sanitizer. Things were crazy back then. Oh, I just made, my kids actually washed their hands with soap. No, but I had it, like, in every corner of the house. Yeah. This is, like, we were wiping down our packages. So, I am my father's daughter, which means if I have to go out of my way to go buy something because I forgot it. Yeah. Because I never, ever want to have to go out because I ran out of that again. Right. Or what I do is I just married a guy who can't sit still. So, he just always goes out and gets. Which, again, you married our father. I became my father. True. I mean, I became our father in other ways. Yeah, you did. But, you know. So, I just can't be choosers. Okay. Our father is wonderful. He is. You're a listening father. We love you. Yeah. All right. Focus. Let's get back to the book. Okay. Flicker in the dark. Okay. So, the main character in this wonderful psychological thriller is Chloe. Chloe is a psychiatrist. She is in early to mid-30s. She is a psychologist. She is at her job because she likes to daydream a lot. She does a lot of daydreaming. Yeah. A lot of daydreaming. And also a lot of pill-popping. Yes. And a lot of, like, trauma remembering in a pill-pop state. True. So, you don't quite know what is reality, what is self-induced. She's been questioning herself throughout the entire book. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, you really can trust the perspective here. Obviously. Second main character is her lovely fiancé, Daniel. Yes. Who I picture as a older Zach Morris preppy. I think that's too nice. I initially, me and Daniel, and honestly until probably actually the whole book, pictured just much more Nepo baby. Trust fund, East Coast. Yes. Yes. Chalk bath. I also pictured him maybe 5'9". Did not say that. Right? The author did not explicitly say that. As long as Chloe is 5'9 or less, we're good. I did picture her like a 5'4". Normal. Normal. Basic bitch. Right? Lots of brown hair. Yeah. Then we have the main character's brother, older brother by three years. Right. His name is Cooper. Right. He... We get two pictures of him. Yes. To be honest. Young Cooper pre-trauma, which we are introduced that they went through some family trauma. Right. We're going to get into that. Pre-trauma Cooper, charismatic, high school jock. So, he's... He's a wrestling jock. People. Charismatic. Yes. Very similar like Daniel's like schmoozy sales guy mentality. Right. Zoom in post-trauma, a little grungy. Emo. More middle-agey. Yeah. Yes. But single, can never commit. A shadow. Yeah. No kids. Right. But has that one person, which is the main character, Chloe. Right. Very much so. The fourth final main character that we'll talk about right now is Aaron. Aaron. Yes. Aaron is a reporter with the New York Times. Aaron Janssen. Yes. And he is writing a story about the trauma that Cooper and Chloe share, which is around her dad. Correct. I also never really thought of how cute having two kids named Cooper and Chloe was until you just said that together. Yes. That is a good kid name. That is a really good kid name. Yeah. Because he's never like presented that way in the book. I was just like, no. Cooper and Chloe. We start out, find out that Chloe's a psychologist because she's actually in a session. We find out that she's not a very good psychologist because the whole time during the session, she is kind of like saying half Lacey is so dramatic as a little teen girl and then half is daydreaming about other things. Correct. We also find out a lot about the pill popping because she orders her fiance a prescription of pills and then ingests them right after she's gotten a little tiff with Aaron who called her and said, oh, by the way, I'm making a story about your dad. Yeah. You should probably talk to me. Yeah. And she's like, no, thank you. Instead, I'm going to pop a Xanax pill before I walk into my scary, dark house. Which happens to be a surprise. Surprise! Ah! Engagement party! What? Somebody who is neurotically anxious and does not like surprises? I'm surprised. Okay, but not only that, Chloe is neurotically anxious with pretty heavy past trauma and her fiance thought it was a great idea to turn all the fucking lights off and surprise her with a shit ton of their friends and family. Which if you're neurotically anxious, you don't have a lot of close friends or family because you don't like people that much. They make you uncomfortable. So it feels like it was a sales guy's schmooze-in event. Right. Right. That was not fanned at all for her. It didn't really seem like he knew her very well. And the big thing that happens at this party is Cooper kind of tells her that. Yeah. Cooper is there. There's a little shadow in the back, her brother. And they end up getting into a little bit of a tiff, a little bit of a fight. Cooper's kind of like, do you really know him? She's like, what? He's like, we've only been dating for a few months. She's like, we have known each other for a full year. A full year, Cooper. Which sounds very teen that she was making fun of. She was very defensive. I got a teen vibe right away when they were going back and forth. And honestly, I felt at this moment, meeting Cooper, that he was kind of like, come on, do you really know somebody? As an oldest, I kind of sided with the oldest a little bit. He was making some sense. Something that I thought was, I just popped in my head when you said that, is I do feel like whenever you go back with people that you formed really close attachments at younger ages, you kind of go back to that spirit. So her acting like a 12-year-old to her brother when they went through this trauma at that age. You revert back to that age that you were. I'm much more mature when you're not around than when you are, because I revert back to 16-year-olds, Marissa. Oh, interesting. I've just grown, so I don't know. Okay. But in this tip, they're kind of getting tense, right? Chloe is done with his shit, and she's like, basically, like take it or leave it, motherfucker. No, she didn't say all that. But she is upset. Daniel smooths his way in, right, saunters in, and thanks Cooper in front of Chloe for helping with the party. So we found out at this point that, like, Cooper was in there all day because Daniel was working, got pulled into a work thing, did all of this. Chloe feels really guilty. So you see a little bit of her people-seizing stuff going on. She's like, oh, yeah, I'm not a 12-year-old girl. Oh. I was an ex-mature. Was a pot calling kettle black. Yeah. So then they just kind of end the argument. Cooper's like, I'm going to peace out. I'm going to go ahead and bounce. I've had enough people-ing today. Yeah. And this is when I was like, this is so how I would have done it. Irish goodbye. Irish goodbye. Irish goodbye. He didn't really Irish goodbye. He did actually say goodbye. But only to her. True. Outside. Everybody else he Irish goodbye. And he wasn't even inside the party to, like, start with. Yeah. He was just, like, the dude that was like, I don't really know all these people. Yeah. I'm going to just stand out here. I was invited because I'm family. So I will say, like, okay, again, thriller. Instantly I'm like, well, I don't know what's been done, but Cooper done it. Obviously. He's the gray cloud. But wait. No. I'm not going to let you see this. That's what it is. I'm going to veer you away. Well, and it's kind of like they gave that aura. But then, you know, she went through trauma and he came to help. So maybe he's just a dude that went through trauma. Maybe. So he walks into the forest. Yes. He, like, walked out to the tree. So he didn't, like, go to the front door or, like, walk inside and grab his coat or anything. He just walked into the forest and she's like, I stayed outside until I didn't see him anymore. And then I went back inside. It's like, okay, so you live amongst the trees? Do you live in a tree house on her property? Is that what's happening? We don't really get an answer to this. I did not pick up on that at all. I totally did because it's super weird. What I picked up on is that Chloe woke up the next morning with a hangover. Yes. Yes. So after this, she was popping pills, obviously, before she walked in. And then she was boozing at the engagement party. So she wakes up. Oh, hungover. Very hungover. Yes. Which, you know, I've been there. So she actually sees on the TV while she's hungover that there is a local girl missing. Yes. And it reminds her about the trauma that we keep kind of hearing her about, but we find out about it here where when she was 12 and her brother was 15, so high school and grade school, their father was arrested for killing six women. Six girls. Six girls. Yes. In that 12 to 15 age range, actually. Right. They were all 15. They were all 15. They were all 15. I didn't realize that at the time. Yes. Yes. And so there's a lot of trauma because her father, she references back to the push-pull of he was a really, really good dad. Yes. But if he's admitting to killing these people, he's a monster. Right. Right. And not only that, like we get very vivid memories of him being dragged out of their house, him looking at them and saying, be good. Yes. Like he knew the police were coming. The mom was crying. Like traumatic. Yes. And not only was the mom crying, she was like gave up. Like both of them looked like, okay, it's done now. This is what it is. Yes. And at this point, she hasn't seen or spoken to him in 20 years. So he went away. She has not seen or spoken to him. Well, it was literally the point in time where he said, I did it. I'll show you the bodies. Yes. And she was like, he did it. I'm no longer his daughter. Yes. He's no longer my father. So this new girl, 15, being found is really bringing all of these back. She goes on a drive, calmer talks a little bit, ends up at the cemetery where this girl was last seen. Yes. Just ends up there all of a sudden. Yes. And what happens to be going on? Oh, I don't know. Search party. Yes. Right now, we're searching the cemetery. So she just hopped in, which I'm sure you have to register. I'm sure there's things that you're supposed to do. Yes. Get the rules. So she's walking and she like keeps talking about this lady with cargo pants, which I think is so funny that she keeps talking about like this lady with cargo pants. Yes. But anyway, it was a middle-aged lady who feels like drama and she like goes, ah, and I think I found something. And so Chloe goes over there because she's like, I'm the most qualified person. Obviously. Probably. And it is an earring. And this earring is like diamond and pearl. And she's like, oh, shoot, I think in the missing poster, this might be her earring. Right. And then, of course, because she's the most qualified person in the room, not having done the orientation for rescue workers, she grabs it with her bare hands, she does, and looks at it closer to inspect it with bare hands. Yes. And a detective runs up and says, have you never seen a docu-series ever? Have you ever watched True Crime? Ever. Anything. Ever. Anything. Actually, have you ever even watched the news? I feel like that is normal. But anyway, she's like, I'm sorry, I'm really high on Xanax right now. She did not say that, but it wasn't awkward like that. I don't remember exactly what she said, but I feel like it was what it was. She was like, this guy is blue or whatever. And like she just kind of transitioned and left. Yes. So. Not suspicious at all. No. No, not suspicious. Just hi, Nicole. You should know this. You should. Yes. Sorry. Okay. And so we, you know, have this missing girl. We hear about the trauma and everything. And the next day she comes walking into the office. Yes. And this receptionist, Melissa, is just bawling. And she's like, yeah, I know, I heard the body was found. They found the body. She heard it on the radio on the way there. And she's like, oh, I wasn't crying about that. Another girl is missing. And it's the girl that was here for the session that she was a bad psychologist to. Yes. She couldn't even remember her name. No. She couldn't actually remember her name. But it was one of her patients. Yes. Also a 15-year-old girl. And so she's referencing the actual session that she barely paid attention to. Yeah. Thank goodness she was taking mindless notes. But I will say she had a good breakthrough with this girl. Like she was daydreaming the whole time. We were a part of her inner dialogue. Yes. She noticed that Lacy was like hiding self-harm marks on her wrist with a bracelet. Yes. And then Lacy was the second her dad left. Yes. And she made a connection with her. She's like, do you know what that feels like? And she's like, actually, I do know exactly what that feels like. And we actually got through it. Yes, we got through it. We didn't know the details at that point of what it was. But she definitely related to her. And it seemed to me like Lacy felt a little bit better before she left. Yes. And that was one of the prescriptions she called in. It was. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 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