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The person starts their military history in 1941 by registering for the draft and joining the military. They undergo training in aircraft maintenance and are eventually stationed in West Africa, specifically in Liberia. They describe their experiences working on aircraft engines and visiting a rubber plantation. They also mention the frequent arrival of military aircraft at their location. They make multiple trips to Roberts Field and Ascension Island. In 1941, I started my military history. I was working in Pontiac, Michigan for a construction company named A. J. Fredman Construction Company. And I was registered for the draft. When you were 21 years old, you had to register for the draft. I registered there. Worked a few weeks, came back to Illinois and worked around in the hayfields and whatnot for people on the farm. Got my calls and joined the military. On the 17th day of November, 1941, I boarded a train and we're where Harvey's is now in Harrisburg with a bunch of other G.I.s. There weren't G.I.s at that time, but we were on our way. We went to Chicago, left Harrisburg about 8 o'clock in the afternoon, arrived in Chicago approximately 8 o'clock in the morning, the next morning. They took us to a building, examined us, we were all examined, physically given a pistol, and we were... I said it out loud. Had a dental exam. And if you were in, you were in. If you weren't, you weren't. They told you. So they swore us in, told us that, they swore us in. Took us on a bus and took us out to Camp Grant, which is at Rockford, Illinois. The pay at that time was $21 a month. If you volunteered, you got $30 a month. And you could choose any branch of service that you liked. If you volunteered. I was always... Otherwise, they could put you in any branch they wanted to. I was always fascinated by aircraft. So, I figured I was going to be in there at least three years anyway. So I signed up for a three-year hitch. Let's say I kind of got the Air Force because I was fascinated with aircraft, and that's what I wanted. So they gave me that. Now... I spent about five or six days there. I'm not going to tell you exactly how long. But, well, a short time. Okay, now. And, well, from then, from there, they put me on a train to Biloxi, Mississippi, to the Air Force Base. I met there several thousand men there. They had a 22-week course in aircraft maintenance. And since the war had started in the meantime, which started on December 7, 1941, they cut it to 19 weeks. Took 19 weeks of training. In aircraft maintenance, which consisted of electronics, sheet metal work, hydraulics, electrical, engine maintenance. After that, I was... I can't tell you the exact date that I left there, but somewhere, I'd say, 22, 21 or 22 weeks left there. I went to a ship to San Antonio, Texas. Duncan Field, San Antonio, Texas. But in a maintenance... with a maintenance crew. Or doing engine work in a building. Stayed there until... I can't tell you what date I left there, but I was there for... Left there sometime in late July or August. In my barracks, wasn't that, the west below? Called out. Everybody went out for them about 9 o'clock at night. Called out a bunch of names, 120 names. Said, you better be ready to leave here at 11 o'clock. 11 o'clock, they sent a bus. Picked us up, carried us out to the airport. Got on an airplane. We flew from there to... Fort Worth, Texas. From Fort Worth, Texas, we flew to Kansas City, Missouri. From Kansas City, Missouri, we flew to Toledo, Ohio. And I don't recall if there was a stop between Toledo and LaGuardia Field. It seems to me that we flew direct, but I'm not sure. But anyway, we were met there by some GI trucks. Took out to Mesa Field, Mesa Field. Barrack. They didn't have a barracks there, but they had... a big hangar. They had cots in that hangar. We stayed in that all night, direct that night. The next day and the next night. And then the next day, they put us on them GI trucks and took us down, right down Fifth Avenue in New York. To Pier 51. We boarded a ship there. Called the Vittori. Remember that? Always ship. Stayed all night on that ship. The next morning, we pulled out. Sailed right by the Statue of Liberty. I've seen the Statue of Liberty. Sailed right by it. The next stop we made was in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Made port in Nova Scotia. And I'm not sure what they picked up soldiers or what they done, but anyway, they had a convoy formed and we went back out to sea and sailed in a convoy to... The next stop we made, before we got to Iceland, we separated our ship, did, from the convoy and we sailed alone, except they sent a little corvette out to escort us in. We stayed all, we stayed all night in Reykjavik. Maybe a day or two there. On the boat all the time. Never off the boat. We went to a place called Akaweri. Around north and... It had been north and east of Reykjavik. They picked up some British soldiers that had been stationed there. Came back to Reykjavik. And I'm not sure how long we stayed there. Didn't stay there too long, maybe a couple of more days, so... Then we sailed out of there and went to Glasgow, Scotland. We made port in Glasgow, Scotland. In the Clyde River. We spent two or three nights there. They come out with some, they took, had some... Small boats. And they come out, took us off of that. Off to Vitori. We never touched land. We only transferred from that ship to a ship, a British ship, called the Highland Francis. Spent another night or two there. Sailed out of there late, one evening, just as the sun was going down. Just as the sun was going down. And from there, the next stop we made was in West Africa. In... It was Freetown, West Africa. Anyway, that's the next port we made. In Freetown. We spent a night or two there. Then we pulled out of there. Got into a convoy. Joined a convoy and then sailed from there to a place in West Africa, on the Gold Coast, called... Takoradi. We put about 20 or 25 T-40s together there. When we left there, we went overland in. It's about 165 miles from there to across, Gold Coast, British West Africa. And Pan American World Airways had a... That was one of their terminals. And BOAC, British Overseas Airways. Pan American left. Pulled out completely. And BOAC practically left. They'd bring us right in once in a while. But anyway, they put us there and put us into engine overhaul. That's what I did. Did aircraft maintenance. Some of the guys did aircraft maintenance. I done aircraft maintenance, what we called on-line. It had to be done. And overhaul aircraft engines. That was what we done. Mainly. Aircraft engines is what I did and what several of the other guys did. I had a crew that worked for me. I had a major that was over us. His name was George W. Dignamont. I'll never forget. He was a fine man. Never had a word with him. Other than just to talk to him. But I'll never forget. He called me in before. Just before, I want to say probably four or five weeks before we left there. Called me into his office one day and he said, Herman, we're going to go stateside one of these days. And he said, when we do, I'm going to start a business of my own. And he said, I'd like to have some of my better men. He said, you're one of them. Well, I stopped there. And then I'll go back to what I was doing before. Overhauling aircraft engines. I got acquainted with a captain. His name was Jones. I can't recall his first name, but his name was Jones. He was a very nice guy. And I don't know how long I've been there. I've been there quite a while. And one day he come to me and he said, Herman, would you like to make a trip to Liberia? I said, I guess. And he said, well, I'll see what I can do. It wasn't too long then until I got a call to take a crew up there. So I took some men up there and I don't remember how many of us. There was four or five of us. And I don't remember what we did on that trip, but we went anyway. Spent a few days there. Don't remember how long, but I know Firestone River Company had a plantation there. And you wouldn't believe how many trees there was there. All of them had a little bucket, a little spigot coming out of that trunk. Maybe a quart overnight out of them. And there's out there been multiplied thousands of them all. But they processed that river there and made it into what they call a crate. Rubber. Bailed it into bales and then shipped it to the United States. While I was there, some of us went out to this place, seen it. That's how I know what it was. And it was very, very interesting to me. It was a place that was rather humid, hot. And certain times of the year, every day about 2 o'clock you'd say, it's going to rain. You'd say that and almost hit it on the head. Just halfway it would have rained. But a lot of aircraft came from, they were going down through South America to a place called Ascension Island. From Ascension Island they'd come into Roberts Field, a lot of them would. And I remember one day 65 C-47s came in there. One time, one day. Military aircrafts would come in there, A-20s and all kinds. They came that route. Because they didn't refuel in there back in those days, so they had to take a route where they could fly from one place to another over the water and where they had to fly. And I went back to Accra. And later I was asked to go back over there again, back to Roberts Field again. I made another trip back to Roberts Field, made another trip back to Ascension Island. Back to Roberts Field again. I made another trip back to Roberts Field, me and some more guys. I know what I'd done that time, what we did that time, worked on a B-25. I remember that. While I was up there, a bunch of A-20s came in. One A-20, when they got ready to leave, when they left, they left in a group. But one of them had a bad engine on it. An engine to give them trouble. And so a gentleman by the name of Lieutenant A.B. Ferry, he took one of the pilots had to go to the hospital, he was sick, was sent to the hospital. So Lieutenant A.B. Ferry, they had him take this other pilot's plane and go on. So they just left one airplane there, and they just left one A-20. He had a couple of gunners with him. So when they got ready to leave, they had a guy that worked there, and he was, I forget what they called his name, I can't think of his name right off the bat. They called him the Greek, that's what they called him. And he was working on that aircraft. I don't know that I could have done a bit of good. I don't know that I could have done a thing that would have helped. But anyway, they got on that plane, they started down the runway. Got in the air, they were beaten. An engine on the right-hand side caught fire. These two gunners jumped out. We could see them leave the airplane, but we never seen the parachutes open. Some of the guys got up and went down there. They got behind the tree line, and then the parachutes opened. There were two young men. We're safe. One of them said, he said, my parachute opened, and I hit the treetop just that quick. That's how close it got. Probably about 400 foot altitude, that's all they ever got. And the pilot rode it to the ground. Burned. Burned in, burned in the airplane. And back there, Krog in. Back to my single job. Someone asked me one time, if I'd take a crew up to a little place called Janai. El Janai is what we call it. There was a few GIs there, maybe 15, 14, 15. Wasn't very many, but they'd stay there in a small place. And I told them before I left, I said, they said, go up there and salvage the aircraft or repair it. And I said, well, that's a pretty big order from a list of men. I didn't say that, but that's what I thought. And I told them, I said, I'd prefer somebody else make a decision about whether to be overhauled or salvaged. They said, well, the pilot will tell you. We flew from there to a place called Kaino. There was a pilot by the name of, his last name was Burtis. Normally his name was Burtis. Burtis J. Terrell, that was his name. We flew with him and his co-pilot to Kaino. We got to Kaino. They had an aircraft down there, a C-46, down. He did a little work on it. Didn't amount to very much, but we did that. Got on that, got on that plane, then, and headed for Junina. We ran into a storm up the way. Not up where we was, but quite a ways out. And the front, and the front had just got, looked like a piece of dark up ahead. Just looked like it was a piece of dark. We flew into a storm, and it done about everything that airplane could do. It seemed like. It was scary. For me, it was scary. I don't want to ever go through something like it again. It was scary. We had a officer on there with it. He was asleep, but he continued to sleep. He woke up. The pilot hollered back there to me and said, look and see if the gear is down. And I was sitting up toward the leading edge of the wing. I had to go back to the trailing edge, so I could, so I could see the trailing edge of the wing and see if the gear was down. When I got up out of that seat, I couldn't keep my feet on the floor. I had to ride it overhead. I had to hold on to that rod and hold myself down. We got through that storm, after a bit. The pilot throttled that engine, throttled the engine back, put the flaps down. And he said, we're still going 240 miles an hour over there. We're way over the airspeed, what we should have been flying. But through through that storm, made it to Elgin Island. No problems. Got off there. Pilot went out and looked at the airplane. When I looked at it, I said to myself, that's a savage job. Pilot looked at it, and he said, repair it. But we didn't have anything to work with, so we had to order all the parts that we needed as we come down. We didn't have any scaffolds to work on, we didn't have an air compressor, we didn't have nothing to work with. So, started ordering stuff I did. Ordered some scaffolding, ordered some boards. Ordered an air compressor. Tools that we needed. We had sheet metal tools, mechanical tools. And both propellers. One blade on both. Each propeller had to be changed. It was four-bladed propellers. The nose was smashed terrible. But we went to work on it. I had some good men that knew what they were doing, apparently, sheet metal men, and I knew quite a bit about rigging one, and doing engine work, stuff like that, and hydraulics. So we did, did all that. Got all the stuff that we needed to work with, sitting on it. We spent about 90 days on that airplane. We didn't work on weekends, we didn't work on Sundays, but we worked the other days, the week. I'd like to say another thing about that place up there. The flies, you wouldn't believe how many flies there were. Early in the morning, we carried a little Tesla thing with you, and you brought the flies one day onto the aircraft. Just like that. Out in the day, it got so hot, it gets so hot, they go to shame, they wouldn't buy me in the daytime. After we got it ready to, we thought, to fly, we called them, told them we had that aircraft ready to fly. So let's see, there's a couple pilots up there, one morning, said, well, let's take it up for a test hop, come and go with us. When they ask you that kind of question, you think about, have I done my job well? I got on there with them, took down the runway, and we took off. I think we were around a while, directly come down, we blew up the runway, made a circle, come back, landed, said, who, one of them said, who rigged this aircraft? I said, I did. He said, it's just, I rigged it. He said, whoever done it, done a real job. He said, it's smooth as silk. Took it up there and parked it. We got our scaffolding, our air compressor, all our tools, loaded them on the airplane. Next morning, about nine o'clock, we left there, headed for a crowd. Left there about nine o'clock in the morning, landed in a crowd about eight o'clock at night, nonstop, that time. The job well done. I felt like I'm sure it'll stay for, and further than that, I can tell you, any questions you'd like to ask, just ask them and I'll see if I can answer them. I'm not clear of why you enlisted. Why I enlisted? I didn't, oh, why I enlisted? Because I wanted the Air Force. I could pick my own, whatever branch service. Otherwise, they just assigned me to anything. They assigned me to the Navy, Coast Guard, Army, Air Force, whichever one. I might have got the Air Force, but I chose the Air Force. That's the reason I enlisted. So I didn't have a choice. When you left the United States, did you know where you were going? No, I had no idea. And so you didn't know until you got to where they were stationed? No, until we left Scotland. After we left Scotland, we got out in the ocean and the British had a medical man on there and he called us all together and he said, now man, he said, he told us where he was going. He was going to Africa. I don't know that he told us the exact location, but he said, we're going to Africa. And he said, my little finger there is dead. And he said, we're going to start giving the quinine tablets every day to kind of control it. So they started giving us quinine tablets and then they come up with what they called an adenine tablet. It wasn't nearly as bad to take as a as quinine was, but that's what we took anyway. And see, I've got us to take a radio already with the P-40s, haven't I? Yeah. Okay. Next question. You were 21 years old when you left there? 21 years old. I was 21 years old on June the 4th, 1941. The date that you left the United States? The date I left the United States? No, I can tell you that. It was in late, late July or early August of 1942. And the reason I remember that was because we was in Reykjavik, Iceland on December, on August the 14th of 1942. You left New York? You left the United States from From New York, yeah. Did you leave a girlfriend behind in the States? No. No? And you went the whole trip by ship? Yeah, and everybody put it on the ground until they got to Taikoradi. Any sea sickness? I never got sick. I assume the time I think I would if I hadn't of hit the deck, but I always went to the deck. But I assume the guys on there were sick from the time they got on until they got off. Do you remember how the weather was the day you left? That's one more question. The day I left from Old Sea? The day you left the U.S.? The U.S.? Oh, it was a nice day. Sail, I told you before that we sailed right by it. Statue of Liberty. Pier 51 was the one pier I left from. Pier 51. What kind of correspondence did you get from the U.S.? What kind of correspondence did you get from the U.S. while you were over there? I got very little except for my immediate family. How long would it take you to get something that they sent? How long did it take to make the trip on the boat? Forty-two days. We weren't sailing all that time, man. I mean, how long did it take you to get mail that they sent from here? It depends on... Sometimes it wouldn't take over three or four or five days. Sometimes it'd take a month. I got a package that was sent to me one time and it's completely rotten. Decayed. Wasn't nothing left to eat. What... Can you describe a typical day? If everything was normal and nothing special happened, you just... No. A typical day would just go and work days and nights. Part of the time I worked nights. Part of the time I worked days. It was a 24-hour day job. But part of the time I worked... If I was working over on aircraft engines, it was all day work. If I was working on a line, my living could be there. I worked nights. Early... Late at night till early in the morning. Maybe 12 o'clock at night. 7 or 12 o'clock at night till 7 or 8 o'clock in the morning. When I'm working on doing line work. Otherwise, it's just like going to a job anyplace else. You just... You know where you had a job to do and you just got up and went and did it. Did you get much news about what was going on? We got a lot. Quite a bit. Quite a bit of news. We got Armed Forces Network news. We got British news from the British. And there was a lot of bombs going on in Germany at that time. The BBC came on. I mean, the Armed Forces Network came on. Had a raid over Bremerhaven last night or Berlin or whatever. Lost one aircraft. BBC came on. Had a raid last night over San Francisco. 29 planes lost. 30 planes lost. So, you don't know everybody. The BBC was the British broadcast company. You became a sergeant in three years. Is that right? I skipped the first promotion that they had, which would have been a PFC. I didn't get a PFC. The first promotion I got was a corporal. Then a buck sergeant. Then a staff sergeant. Then a technical sergeant. Why do you think they advanced you so quickly to a sergeant? Why did they choose you? They satisfied with my work. I guess. The way I conducted. The way I got along with the men that was under me and the way I conducted myself, I reckon. Did they ask you if you wanted the promotions or did they just automatically give them to you? Did you enjoy what you did? Beg your pardon? Did you enjoy what you were doing? I did. I sure did, yes. I just left because I liked to fly. I never cared to fly in an airplane. I mean, I wasn't hot about flying in an airplane. But I liked to see those guys flying that I wasn't afraid of. And this birdie Jay Terrell that took us to Cano, he was one of them kind, he'd come out and he'd get in and go. Why did you leave the service? I was discharged. Didn't have the option to stay? Yes. After I got back to the States, I said, I'm going to get to it. But after I got back to the States, they called me in, a lieutenant called me in down in Morrison Field, Florida. He said, Herman, he said, it's getting about time for you to get out. And I've been in the service my three years. I was a long, hard time man. I mean, the government had to control things, sure enough. He called me in and he asked me if I'd like to, he said, we'd like to have you, like to keep you. He said, would you be interested in, would you stay if we make you master? Master Sergeant, that is. And I said, no. I said, I'll stay in if you make me a colonel. And he's just a young guy. He's about 20 years old. He said, I don't blame you, Ben. He said, I'm in here just like you. And he said, I want out of here as soon as I can get out. But, but I was offered master sergeant what was the top rank you could get. You know. Was the war over before you got out or was it over before you got out? 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