Jeffrey Thug 2

The speaker and Larry P. discuss the topic of masculinity and society's discomfort with men expressing their sexuality. They talk about how jokes and comments related to sexuality are often deemed offensive and can lead to consequences like being canceled. They mention examples of people like Charlemagne who face criticism for their jokes. The conversation also touches on the double standards when it comes to cheating in relationships, where women cheating with women is seen differently than men cheating with men. The speaker suggests that society's rigid gender norms contribute to these issues and that people need to be more accepting and comfortable with diverse expressions of sexuality. I thought that shit was cool. You're a principal. And we're back right here on the unemployment line. Doc and Larry P. talking about Jeffrey Thug. And so now we can get to what originally brought this topic up, which was me and Larry having a text exchange about, you know, men are a little different now. You know, there's a different standard of masculinity. And, you know, what, you know, what's considered to be acceptable, or I won't say necessarily acceptable. What's considered to be. It's like a sense of immaturity. Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like, I think, I think it's the same thing that was accepted then. I think it's just an increased, an increased level of immaturity of like, you know, I mean, take Cam, Cam, Cam and Mase got the show. It is what it is podcast. And, um, I mean, if you've watched the clips and you've seen like the highlights of the show, majority of the highlights are pause. Exactly. A lot of people saying things and then they like, oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. And like, it's funny. It's funny. Be professional. It's funny. But when you really think about it, like, that's really like how to, how society is like, we like, like men in society are like super immature. And it makes you question like how, how comfortable with the male set. Is there like a, a, a comfortability with the male sexuality that you should have? They're like, cause some things I'd be saying, I'd be like, look, man, honestly, dog. Like it is what it is. People like pause. I'd be like, rewind, play slow motion, do what you got to do because I'm like, I feel like you should, there should be a level of comfortability and I think some people say these things jokingly. Some people may pause jokingly. I do think some people be serious about, oh, you can't say that around me. So there's, there's a, there's a whole list of things in relation to what you just said. So like for the first layer of it is the, the level of comfort with the idea of men, not being like masculine and the idea of men being potentially interested in other men or the idea of talking about sex at all. Like it makes people like, it just makes people uncomfortable. We've talked about it, about how we like even structure our shows. Like we want to talk about relationships, but then it was just like, Hey, but we've gone out one topic. Hey, be careful. But it's like not as if everybody don't do it. Like here's the truth of the matter. All I've got here somehow. So like, it's not like it's a, it's just a thing we don't talk about, but it happens. Yeah. And so like when I, when I think about like the level of maturity, I think it comes from the level of discomfort. And so when you have situations in which like somebody makes a joke, it's because like, it might be funny, but everybody feels like, Hey, you can't joke about stuff like that. Yeah. And that's not allowed. That's another thing. Like the people that do the, the people that are comfortable with themselves and they do joke about it a lot. Like then there becomes this perception like, Oh, you might be a little, you know, he might be a little funny. Might've got a little shit like Charlemagne, Charlemagne, Charlemagne the guy main person that trolls like this man, he got a wife, he got kids. I never want to say that people can't be down low, but you know what I'm saying? From what I see from the outside, looking in, this man is heterosexual, but put a bookmark there. But the way that he jokes and he says things and people are like, I, I Charlemagne, you're joking a little bit too much. Like, is there a level of like where you can't really joke that much about it? Or is there like a, a bandwidth of, of, of comments that you can make? Well, okay. So let me start there too. So I'm gonna first start with the, with the last thing that you just said, which is about making the jokes where people get so uncomfortable with making the jokes is because they don't want to get in trouble. Everything's about getting canceled. Everything's about losing your job, losing your livelihood. And so even if they don't mean it in an offensive manner, people are hesitant to say anything because there's going to be somebody that pops out. That's like, there's absolutely nothing funny about pause whatsoever. Like you're talking about my life and our livelihood and people have lost their lives over this. I'm like, all right, that's not even what we was talking about. Like you, you are taking this to the extreme and people say a lot of things to the extreme, but in this particular issue, like it's probably like the most sensitive of the topics that people don't want to really get into. But I'm going to take this in another direction and here's my bookmark. Are you familiar with Oprah? Yeah. I mean, I mean it depends on how familiar you want me to be with Oprah. You are like book of the month club and I feel like it has planted a seed in specifically black women's heads that they never let go of. There was a book written call on the download. Cause you made that, it was download that made it when you made the comment. And like ever since then black women in particular have been all suspicious about, yeah, he got a family, but you know, he might be, you never know. And like that's not a healthy way to live in society because maybe he is, maybe he isn't. But my thing is like people should be able to be comfortable with who they are in a, in a free society. And the reason why this stuff gets so sensitive and why they have to be so serious and so like stern with responses to these things, it's because y'all have made them feel so uncomfortable with it. Yeah. That download thing though, man, I'm just saying though, like we, we might go off topic here, but I just thought about it. Right. It was a whole book. Like I'm, this is my thing. Love who you want to love. Be who you want to be. Right. Shout out to Richie. Be who you want to be. Love who you want to love. Do what you got to do. Do what you got to do. But at the end of the day, like if you, if you dating a guy and you like, I don't know, you might be a little bit on and down. Like I think, I think, I think society as like society has placed it and be like, there's no such thing as a bisexual male. I mean, maybe there is. Maybe there is. Maybe there, maybe he liked women. Maybe he liked men. Maybe she liked women. Maybe she liked me. I mean, but the thing about it is that's what Ray J was talking about. Be who you want to be. That wasn't what he was talking about, but that's how I take this. When the, when the, when the woman likes a woman and she likes a man, if like, she'd be like, Oh dang, she cheated on me with another woman. It's like, all right, cool. She cheated on you. All right, cool. What under the bridge? I go into this and I got cheated on. But then it's like when the man cheat on the woman with another man, it's like this, he, he, he feels dirty. Deception, betrayal. And I'd be like, well, y'all and people probably listen to this about, Oh, you know, Larry, he sounded a little bit suss now. No, no, no, no, Larry. You're not Larry. You sound like you're trying to cover. And that's my, that's my point. Exactly. You can't even speak on it and advocate because if you try to advocate, then you are subject to accusations. I'm not saying that I'm an ally, but at the same time, I'm saying that they should love who they want to love. If he was going to cheat, he was going to cheat. They'd be like, Hey, if he cheated on her with another woman, then y'all, he cheated on me. But if he cheated on her with another man and it's like, Oh, he's disgusting. I can't believe him. And that his whole, his whole, his whole name around the whole, the street, the city. But what y'all know, y'all know Darnell be a, um, he played, he, he played with both teams, you know that. Right. So that, so then like, so that's the other thing you got to think about. So in your efforts to like shut these people down for like making jokes or like making light of the situation, like you're also contributing to the issue by being so accusatory on your suspicions about what other, what men are doing. And it's specifically a man issue. It's specifically a men are not, men are in one category or the other. And that's the way that society has presented it. I can't, I can't ask another man how big his feet are. So if a man decides to dress in a way that is not traditionally masculine, then you start making accusations. Whether you make them out loud and you start making them in your head, you'd be like, man, he got a dress on. I don't know. I don't know about, I don't know about buddy. Like that's like, that's how y'all are responding to things. And so then you're like, Oh, y'all being immature and not being immature. They're responding in the manner that y'all have been presenting that they should respond. It's like, in your man has to operate in these specific like very like specific norms. And this is all you're allowed to do. Otherwise we're just going to accuse you of not being a man. I think, I think in your head should be like the slogan of 2024, right? In your head. Because I think a lot of people feel like they're not a certain way just because they're not that out loud. Like I'm not racist out loud, but you're racist in your head, in your head. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you know what I'm saying? I ain't no, I ain't no homophobe out loud, but you homophobic in your head. Like you, if you drive it down the street and, Oh, there's a group of young black guys. Let me lock my door. Racist in your head. It's just in your head though. It's in your head. You still racist though. It's not going to get you fired. It's not going, you know, it's not going to cost you your life. Nobody knows what's going on. It's a view with Jesus. You know, I was thinking about this the other day. This is you going to have to explain to Jesus everything that's been in your head. I worry about that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was thinking about this. I was thinking about this the other day. I was like, you know what I'm saying? If Christianity and like Christians, if we really try to make like, you know, if I'm not saying I don't believe in heaven, but if heaven exists and we say it like the Bible is love, everybody do all this stuff. It should make it very clear who's getting into heaven. Like who, who, who's not getting into heaven. Who's who's going to get into heaven at first. Like we already know who the first people not to get in the people that hate people. Right. Like ain't no way. Ain't no way you get up to heaven and be like, Oh shoot. Charles loves you. I hate him. And then shoot. That's the cloud just opened up for Monday. You blow up. You go like the people that hate other people. Like if you have hate in your heart, if we talk about what the Bible is and all that stuff, like there's no way you can, you can say I'm going to heaven and then have this hate coexist in the same place. And I think that's the other thing too. When you talk about people like making jokes and things like that, it's, it's where, what was the intent behind that? And I think people will get in trouble often for things that was not their intent. And I feel like we've gotten so far off track with how we respond to things because we're punishing people for how they made us feel versus what they intended. And in the process of that, you're missing the people who intended it in a, in that way. There are people who are intentionally racist. There are people who are intentionally homophobic. There are also people who are unintentionally making people upset. And if you were to bring it to their attention, they would probably stop whatever you were asking them to do. But like, Hey man, when you say stuff like that, that bothers me. Hey man, I didn't even know it bothered you like that. I'm sorry. I won't do it again. Then there's other people you go to be like, man, if I say he's a monkey, he's a monkey. So I think there's a, there's a level of sensitivity that comes with it as well. There's a level of time and place, right? Yeah. For example, time and place comedians, comedians, when they on stage, this can truly be a racist person, but when they on stage telling these jokes, I have to take them for what they are. They are jokes. They are jokes. The intent was a joke. And, and, and if you want to punish them, you punish their pockets. If you feel like there's a comedian who is offensive, then don't go to their show. Yeah. Don't support them. Don't support their products. Like don't, don't publicize what they're doing either. A they will change or B they will go away and start doing something else. Now, if you catch a video of Andrew Schultz or Matt Reif out there in public, uh, calling black people to N word at the, at the traffic light, then I may be like, ah, he's a bit racist. But while they on stage, I may be like, that's a funny joke. But at the same time, like I said, I think it boils. And another thing it boils down to sensitivity because the people that can tell the difference between intentional and non-intentional are usually the people that have some type of like a dark sense of humor or they don't like, they're not offended by everything. You know, like I can tell when intentionally somebody means like, Oh yeah, no, no, he meant that. Like he meant that racist slur. He said, or I could tell when something comes off as a joke. And at the same time, I can also tell when somebody is ignorant enough to not even know that it was racist or not. And that's the third one because sometimes people be saying things, especially white people, they be saying things and they don't even realize they saying racist. I'm like, all right now. Like I was telling, I was telling my old lady the other day about like, I be wanting, I want, I used to want to go deer hunting and there's something about like, you know, going like hunting with a bunch of white people surrounded by guns just never sat right with me. But, um, I never did it. But I told one of these dudes one time I was like, yeah, man, like I go out deer hunting with y'all or whatnot. And he said, ah, yeah, yeah. I'll put you up in the, I'll put you in the tree. And I was like, I understand what you're saying, but that could be racist. It's the unemployment law.