Drake - 3

Doc and Larry P discuss the current state of beefs in the music industry, particularly among female artists. They also discuss the phenomenon of people making changes in their appearance after a breakup, such as cutting off their hair or getting in shape. The conversation then shifts to the topic of ghostwriting in rap and how it differs from other genres of music. They also touch on the legacy of rap and the expectation for originality in the genre. Overall, they emphasize the importance of giving credit where it's due and recognizing the accomplishments of artists like Drake. And we're back right here on the unemployment line. Doc and Larry P talking about wrapped beef. We've circled around to, I think, all of the current beefs. Have we missed any that are up and running as time of recording? I don't think we missed any that were important. If we did miss them, it ain't important. I feel like the ladies have taken a step back in the beef right now. Because you know, they was outside for a while. We started the year, it was like Meg talking about Nicki. And then, because we did that show a lot. That's how long we've been talking about wrapped beef. It's been all year. I'm just trying to think if the women have been doing anything. I mean, Cardi, Cardi, real quiet. Her and Offset, you know. She's finding herself. You know, what Cardi's doing right now, Cardi's doing that part of what women do when they get their heart broken. And then they have to like, you know, don't be surprised if you see Cardi B out here with a bald head. Because women just all of a sudden just cut their hair off. They're trying to find themselves again. They don't like the woman that they've become. Is that still a current trend? That definitely was a trend like, I would say, like 2005 to like 2015-ish. That was definitely, I saw several heartbroken women or women who are making changes in their life, but that shortcut. Yeah, and I think it's still a thing. I think it's still a thing. I think women, and I don't know why, I think they look at their hair and their locks and they're like, I just don't know who I am anymore. So they just cut it all off so they don't recognize themselves. And then they grow it back and they're brand new. You know what the male version of that is? What? When you lose weight and you go to the gym. You go to the gym. You know a dude going through a breakup when he posted all of these pictures of him being in the gym. Like, yeah, you might have left me, girl, but I got fit. You already know, boy. 3 AM, you got to get out, got to get in there and get early. I may not have a woman, but I got a six pack. Oh, yeah, you looking good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been working out. Yeah, I bet she wish she had this. Women do the same thing, though. Like women, women, women will go through a breakup and they will all of a sudden get in the gym and lose everything. And then you sit there as her ex and be like, damn, well, she could do that when she was with me. What is that? Somebody told me one time that I had happy weight on me at one point. But is it really happy weight? It was like, it's on you and then you can break up and you lose it. No, what I'm saying is when I got into a happy relationship, I gained a bunch of weight. I know, that's what I'm saying. That's what they always say. But then if you break up and then you lose that weight, was that really happy weight? Like, why you can't keep that same energy? I mean, if y'all lay down. Is it happy weight or is it lazy weight? Well, I mean, is it lazy or is it happy? Like, I mean, you got to think about it both ways. Because what are the things that might prevent you from going to the gym? This is what I think it is. I'm not going to answer that question, but I'm going to ignore it. But because I'm not. Let me answer my own question before you do that. The answer is, like, you got better stuff to do. Y'all sitting around watching a movie or y'all getting up and going to brunch or y'all just sitting there talking, like, you know what? I don't feel like going to the gym right now. Let's chill. I think it's bigger than that. I think it's we work so hard to attract, right? You work so hard to attract. After you have attracted, it's like, well, I don't have to work as hard anymore. It's like, I got this six pack. I'm going to the gym so I can attract my person. And then after you've attracted your person and realize, oh, this person loves me for who I am. Maybe I could take a couple of days off the gym. But see, I think it's important to attract who you are and not attract based on who you are and not who you pretend to be. Exactly. And I feel like that's the issue with, like, all right, I'm going to get in shape. I'm going to lose weight. I'm going to start doing, I'm going to start reading all these books and start doing these things to make myself look more attractive. But at the core fabric of you, if that's not who you are, then why on earth would you be able to maintain that once you're in a relationship? Like, as soon as you get comfortable, it's going to be right back to, yeah, yeah, I was going to the gym every day. Now I'm going to probably go once a month. Any time somebody says, I'm doing this for my kids, I know they fat. It is not. I ain't never heard. I repeat a big pun. I ain't never heard nobody say that and not be fat. I'm trying to live. I'm doing this for my kids. Oh, yeah. Pun. Yeah, you are fat. Pun. Sorry all the fat people, my bad. But that factors into what Rick Ross be criticizing Drake about, which is trying to look like somebody and be somebody that he is not. And I think that's the only ammunition they got right now against Drake, because it's not the music, unless they want to talk about the ghostwriting stuff, which they have brought up. I mean, at the end of the day, I haven't spoken about ghostwriting, because ghostwriting is ghostwriting at the end of the day. Because sometimes the thing about ghostwriting is that sometimes you just can't. I could be the dopest lyricist, but I probably don't have the presentation. So I need somebody to present my lyrics, you know? That goes all the way back to NWA, where Ice Cube was writing for another group. And then it was just like, oh, I guess I'm going to get this on to Eazy-E. Eazy-E had the credibility to do the song, but Eazy-E couldn't rap. Yeah, so it was like, yeah, you got the lyrics, but I don't have the presentation. And some people have the presentation. I'm not going to say Swizz Beatz is a rapper, but you'll see situations where Swizz Beatz is like, yeah, I can rap. But sometimes Swizz is like, no, you might have the lyrics, but you ain't no rapper, buddy. Well, it's kind of like what Metro Boomin is in this situation, where he can't rap. All he can do, as Drake said, make drums, make some drums. But he can produce, but he has to call in the Kendricks, and now the Kanyes to come in and rap over these beats, because he can't do it himself. So yeah, with ghostwriting. But the other side of it is, it happens in R&B all the time. But nobody be like, oh, Neo ghostwriting for Beyonce, ghostwriting. Because at the end of the day, you may be able to write the songs. You may not be able to sing it like Beyonce. And here's the crazy thing about rap. It wasn't always that way. And why we are, we supposed to fight each other to elevate our lives. As a part of, no, that was Mike Tyson. Oh, OK. You didn't have enough of a list. We supposed to fight each other to elevate our lives. There you go, that's Mike Tyson. Yeah, sorry, I have to work on my impressions. But one of the things that people were upset with J Cole about so hard was, this is in the fabric of hip hop. The idea of the MC comes from battling, where it started off with somebody DJing, and who can get the crowd more into what's going on. And then it turned into actual lyricism. But in the very early stages of rap, where it became popular, somebody ghostwrote Rapper's Delight. Yeah, that lady. No, it wasn't a lady. It was like, oh, now I know they're about to be mad at me. I think Grandmaster Kaz wrote some of Rapper's Delight for somebody on the Sugar Hill Gang. At me if I'm wrong. But I think it was like the 70s. 50 years ago, like, no, but they can't get mad at you because of that. Yeah, and you're right. It really is 50 years ago. Yeah. I saw a comment the other day. And this dude says, I forgot how old he said. But he basically said that he has lived the entire time of rap history. And he said that Lil Wayne is the best lyricist of all that he's seen. And then when I thought about it, I said, dang, rap is 50 years. We'd be arguing about rap, but we really ain't really got that much footing. I think it was Careful On Stage I posted recently. It was just like, how was 1994, 30 years ago, but also was last week? We were talking about Tupac earlier. Tupac was murdered in 1996. That is 28 years ago. 50 years of rap is not a long time. It's a long time, but it's not a long time. So then when people, that's another thing. I was arguing with my high school coach on Facebook about the Drake hate. And it's like the older people hate Drake. And I'm like, eventually, I've got to get his man his flowers. And he was like, nah, I can name 10 rappers that can body Drake right now. And I was like, I could probably name 10, too. But that don't take away from what he has done. Like in the rap game, like in hip hop, he was like, that must be something with y'all young kids. I was like, y'all got to get his man his flowers. There's no reason why he don't get flowers. Well, hip hop is the only musical genre where you are expected to do all original work from yourself. And no other genre of music, whether it is vocal or instrumental, is that an expectation. However, in rap, it is an expectation. So that is one of those things where when you're in a beef, you can't spit beef that somebody else wrote for you. So that's why you're probably no shade, but you're probably not going to hear no diss tracks from. That's why Cardi had to go off the hands of Nicki Minaj. She can't write a diss track. I cannot go and ask them to sit down and write a diss track for me. The only thing I can do is fight her. Whereas like Remy Ma and Meg Thee Stallion, because they write their own stuff, they can go out here and rap about it. But I think Remy Ma. You're not going to hear the city girls come out here and diss nobody? Meg Thee Stallion should probably. Oh, now that you talk about the women calming down, you said the city girls? JT and Young Miami are actually going at each other. See, now this goes back to the original. One of the things we were talking about earlier, just because you've been rocking with them, it might be time. And I think the whole thing with JT and Young Miami, I think this one, ladies, man, they're all simple. It all boils down to a man in the middle. And I think this one is like JT don't rock with P Diddy and Young Miami rocking with P Diddy. But Young Miami didn't rock with Lil Uzi Vert. Because that was a part of their beef at one time, too. Because women and men, y'all got to stop letting these people tear y'all apart. Men and women got to stop letting boyfriends and girlfriends tear them apart. That's the end of the show, because this is the end of the show. I know the real fans are listening now. Because I have to say this the way that I'm thinking about it. You can loosen that up a little bit. Never mind. It'll take too much time for you to understand. Don't worry about it. Young Miami was with Diddy, right? Mm-hmm. JT was with Lil Uzi Vert. Maybe Lil Uzi Vert and Diddy did something together. You weren't going there, was you? That was kind of my line of thinking. Are they beefing because they're both fronts for their men? It's a square. What is going on here? It's a love square. What kind of square is this? What was we used to do in chemistry, where it was like the big C, little c? What is going on? Lil Uzi Vert is one of them. Lil Uzi Vert is like the hip-hop version of Prince. I know we real Gen Z at this point in life as a society. But I mean, when you're a woman, you step outside with Lil Uzi Vert. Like, you know what I mean? It's like Metro. Not Young Metro, but it's Metro. It's Metro. I'm just saying, like, be who you want to be. Love who you want to love. But back to the original point, though, Lil Uzi Vert got a his and hers closet. And both of them his. So the City Girls was far on out. I don't think they released no new music since God knows when. But there does come a point, like, whether you're Rick Ross and Drake or you're Young Miami and JT, like, you might get to a point where it's just like, all right, we don't rock with each other like that no more. And that's OK. But, you know, it don't have to be disrespectful. It don't have to be. But it can be. Yeah, they didn't get disrespectful in their beef. They were going at each other on Twitter. And eventually they said, it's all good, girl. I love you. I'mma do me. And see, that's the thing. As much as we like to say, like, men can go outside and fight and then be cool about it afterwards. For whatever reason in rap, it don't work that way. I don't know if it's because, like, entourage is getting involved or there's too much of an audience or what happens. But normally, like, I haven't seen many beefs, like, fully reconciled. It's the entourage. Like, J. Cole said himself, that's the whole reason he put out the beef. Because he said Kendrick came out with his joint and then everybody was texting him saying, Cole, what you gonna do? What you gonna do? What you gonna do? And they're probably doing the Kendrick right now. Yeah, so then he was like, eventually he was like, he right. You right. I got to get in the studio. I got to do something. And then he put out the album and he was like, that was lame. I didn't want to do that. So like I said, I understood the Cole apology. But at the end of the day, you can't get in the ring and swing and apologize. But that's what really be boiling it down to. Like, a lot of people be boosting people up and be like, yeah, entourage be like, man, you got to say something back to them, Kendrick. Kendrick, you can't let them keep doing you like this. Kendrick, you got to be a man. Which is my only rebuttal to a lot of what we've been talking about today. Because I appreciate good rap beef if it's legit. But what I don't want y'all to do is go out here and set yourselves up to get embarrassed. Do not jump out here and produce these diss tracks if your heart ain't into it. You can't. You can't do beef halfway. That's not the way that this works. Metro need to go make some drums, though. It's the unemployment line.