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The number of refugees has increased due to diminished hope in Syria and deteriorating living conditions in neighboring countries. International support has decreased, leading to cuts in food support. Europe should focus on fulfilling international duties to protect refugees, rather than setting a limit on how many they can accept. Europeans were scared of invasion when they saw refugees on television. Proper management and distribution can ensure a ratio of one migrant to 2,000 inhabitants. The conversation begins when Jayassani asked Dutera his opening question, why has the number of refugees spiked in the last six months, where he's referring to the reported number of 1 million migrants entering Europe in 2015. Antonio explains that Syrian residents are migrating because hope has diminished throughout the country and that they don't have the hope that they'll be able to return to their homes. Additionally, the living conditions of Syrians have deteriorated in neighboring countries. At this point, he reports that 87% of Syrians in Jordan and 93% in Lebanon are below, live below the national poverty line. I want to explain that the trigger is that international support has decreased, where he also mentions that 30% of food support to Syrian refugees has been cut, and many Syrians are totally dependent on international support because they are not allowed to work. This topic was followed by Jayassani asking Gutierrez how many migrants Europe could accept, which is when Gutierrez really begins to exercise his thesis, stating that this is a question with no answer because refugees have the right to be protected. He explains that it's unfair to ask how many people Europe can take, rather than asking how we can organize ourselves to fulfill our international duties, which is when he also mentions international loss. He goes on to explain that Europeans saw hundreds of thousands of refugees on television migrating from border to border, and that they were under the impression that their villages would be invaded, so they were scared. Additionally, Jayassani begins explaining that there are villages in Germany with 300 inhabitants compared to 1,000 refugees, and asks Gutierrez what his position on this is. Gutierrez expresses that with the proper management and distribution, the ratio will consistently be one migrant to 2,000 inhabitants.