dexter resurrection episode 4 call me red

Gareth-slash-Gemini might be a threat due to his knowledge of Bay Harbor Butcher's weaknesses. The Antler Queens podcast discusses Dexter's Resurrection, episode four, Call Me Red, with a detailed recap and fun rankings. Dexter attends a serial killer dinner party hosted by Leon Prater, meeting Mia, who targets sexual predators. Dexter is intrigued by Mia's code and enjoys wine with her and Al. Leon showcases a collection of serial killer memorabilia, including Dexter's slides mislabeled as James Stokes'. Dexter feels a mix of emotions at the gathering. might have some trouble with Gareth-slash-Gemini. It seems extra creepy. There was a very interesting interview with Kristen Ritter, David Dathmalchian, and Eric Stonestreet, and they asked if, the interviewer asked if they were aware of the Bay Harbor Butcher, and David said, Gareth-slash-Gemini knows everything about everything. So he already knows and sees through all the weaknesses of the Bay Harbor Butcher. So he sees through all the weaknesses. That hints to me that he knows a little too much. If the Bay Harbor Butcher is James Doe, that sentence doesn't make sense. No, yeah. So we gotta watch out for Gareth. This is gonna be super interesting. Thank you. Can't wait to see what comes of it. Hey guys, what's up? I'm Kelly Raw Dog Keen. I'm Jazzy Airy Boogie in the Cloviet and Tipsy Shamanic. And we are the Antler Queens. Formerly in a Yellow Jackets only podcast, and now a Dexter and Yellow Jackets podcast. Today we are breaking down the episode, Dexter's Resurrection, episode four, Call Me Red. The way we do things here, there are, believe it or not, we have a bunch of people who actually don't always watch all the episodes, but they like to follow along with our coverage. So for that reason, we do a very detailed recap at the top of the episode. You can skip past this if you're not a recap person. We mark all of the chapters, and then you can go right into the discussion where we list our MVPs, our LVPs, and our top and bottom fives of the episodes. Sometimes the fives are just silly. Sometimes they're actually very interesting and layered and nuanced. But we always have fun with it, and we never take things too seriously. But we're both loving the series so far, huh? It's been really fun. Yeah. It's been really good. I agree. I agree. By the way, I just had to share a funny story. So I woke up this morning with yet another bug. I feel fine now. Like I got some stuff to take care of it. But the nurse – I did a telehealth visit, and the nurse practitioner that I did the visit with, her name was Christian Ritter. Oh, weird. So funny. By daylight, nurse practitioner by daylight. Yeah, seriously. But also I wanted to mention that San Diego Comic-Con is this weekend. I know. So there is going to be a Dexter panel. So hopefully that will be live streamed before Sunday night so we can talk about that during the after show. Join us Sunday night, guys. Also, Jazz and I have been hit by a lot of illnesses lately. So we've been struggling, okay? Yeah. We've had some bad luck. It has been months. Yeah. I still can't breathe. I still don't have my voice back. I'm still hacking. It's like, oh, God. I have to use a cane to get from my bed to my bathroom. That's not great. That's awesome. It's been a struggle. But, yeah, so I apologize. But that's why we've missed a couple of the after shows. But if you would be interested in being a backup co-host for our after shows, please let us know in the comments because we would love to, if one of us is fine and the other has to take off, we'd love to still, like, you know, at least be able to do the after show if we had a backup. We just don't want to do it by ourselves, you know? That's not fun. But, yeah, let's go ahead and get into the episode, shall we? Absolutely. All right. Dexter attends a mysterious gathering hosted by a highly influential figure with macabre ambitions. Harrison continues to struggle with mounting guilt and pressure at work, just as Angel Batista arrives in New York City. We open on Dexter sitting at the Phony Dark Passengers, or RED as he liked to be called, apartment, playing with his infrared hoodie, admiring how the tiny LED strip completely camouflaged his face from his cell phone camera. He spins around in the desk chair, modeling his full Unabomber look for Ghost Harry. Harry is perturbed by the joy that Dexter seems to be taking in this, and warns him that it could all be a setup. But Dex gleefully argues that it's most certainly a serial killer dinner party, a veritable all-you-can-eat buffet of unsuspecting victims for his dark passenger. Remembering that the party is thumbprint entrance only, he reveals that he's made a mold out of the deceased Ronald's thumb. He deftly paints the inside with wax, and quickly fashions a slide on the thumb cover, hopefully providing him with a new print as well as the monitors of the event. As Dexter continues getting ready, Harry expresses his disapproval. He mentions the only other known meetup of serial killers that's happened in history, the Pig Farmer. Harry worries this will be a similar event with ritualistic orgies and group murders. Dexter reassures him that he has a contingency plan if his subterfuge goes tits up. Dexter walks up to a black car parked nearby. The window rolls down to reveal Charlie. She's asked if he's Ronald Schmidt, to which he replies, Call me Red. The car door is unlocked. He's passed the first test. He begins to get in the back behind the driver's seat, but Charlie, fully aware of his M.O., scoffs and reveals a pistol at her hip, demanding he sit shotgun. Chatting on the way to the party, Charlie tells him how difficult he was to find, but it ended up taking her about three weeks. Internally, Dexter mocks her, not letting on that it only took him three days to find Ronald's home. Arriving at their destination, a plush building with a doorman, Dexter is quickly guided to an elevator with a thumbprint lock. He reaches to push the button, but Charlie stops him for a quick ocular pad down. Charlie invites him to try the thumb pad. The first two tries won't work. Claiming sweaty hands, he adjusts the fake print and tries again. This time it turns green and the elevator doors swing open. He's in. Upstairs in the beautiful mansion, Dexter is greeted by the homeowner and host, Leon Prater, Peter Dinklage. What he lacks in height, he makes up for in exuberance and a sincere sense of delight in meeting Red. He explains to his guests he's been hosting this party for years, and while it may seem strange, this is indeed a completely safe place for people like him. Dexter ponders the expression, like you. Leon stifles a giggle and claims that he doesn't have the skill set or creativity to do what he and the others do. Leon gives Dexter the tour of his palatial New York estate. He explains he's a venture capitalist who focuses on buying promising startups, but he also prides himself on breaking groups of unusual and fascinating people together. As they enter the gorgeously appointed wine cellar, Charlie dismisses herself as Leon pulls a bottle off of a rack. Leon informs Dex that she doesn't have the appreciation for this next section of the home as he does. He motions for Dexter to push the button that was previously hidden by the bottle he removed. A secret passageway swings open, revealing an elaborate locking system. Unlocking the door and letting him in, Leon tells him this is where he keeps his most prized possessions. Taking up the entire doorway is a giant clown costume on a mannequin. Clowns? Dexter asks out loud. Pogo the clown, corrects Leon. Dexter's eyes widen as he realizes he's staring at the garb of the infamous murderer John Wayne Gacy. Leon's secret room is a veritable treasure trove of serial killers' lights, including Jeffrey Dahmer's refrigerator, a car seat owned by Ted Bundy, Trinity Killer Arthur Mitchell's hammer, the very one Dexter used to kill him. Turning a corner, Leon says that he purchased these items from an FBI agent with a bad gambling problem. Dexter's overwhelmed with emotion to see his box of slides, here incorrectly labeled as belonging to the Bay Harbor butcher James Stokes. He ever so gently runs his fingers across the slides when Leon scolds him and asks him not to touch anything. Snapping back into reality, Dexter apologizes, but tells his friends that he misses them. Dexter laughs, overwhelmed. Next, Leon shows him the table the ice truck killer used to take his own life. Dexter's memories of saving his sister Deborah from a horrible date and then killing his own brother flood his mind. Leon continues the tour, unbathed, pointing out displays that belong to tonight's guests. Rapunzel, who collects his victim's ponytails, and the tattoo collector, who peels and preserves tattoos off of the skins of his prey. Dexter is unfamiliar with their work, rolling his eyes slightly about meeting the ponytail guy in this vault with so many icons. Leon mentions he's made a space for him, that is, if he's willing to part with one of his trophies. Dexter pulls the driver's license out of his pocket and feigns the sorrow as he passes it on to its new owner. Leon becomes emotional as he reads the name, Tyler Day, your first. I'm truly honored. As Leon delicately places the driver's license into his display case, Dexter remarks on how he feels safe with all of this evidence in his home. He says the people trust him and the five inches of solid steel behind the limestone. He also reveals how simple it is to call Charlie to his side, guns drawn. Stating that this was simply a demonstration, Leon excuses Charlie to go back to her business as she turns to walk away. She then announces that Mia is here. In the next room, a gorgeous woman in a black dress examines Leon's wine collection, praising his new additions. Leon introduces her as Mia, played by Kristen Ritter, a.k.a. Lady Vengeance, given her moniker because she notoriously preys on sexual predators. Dexter lights up at this news. Does she follow a code like he does? Dexter and Mia chat over wine. Mia flirtatiously scolds Dexter on his bad etiquette then explains how to treat wine like an obnoxious douche. The elevator dings and a casually dressed man hops off. He's on FaceTime, congratulating his child on making a goal before sending his wife love. He and Mia embrace and she introduces him to Dexter as Al, played by Eric Stonestreet. Al pulls Dexter in for an unwanted hug. Dexter asks how he gets away with having such a secret. He explains that these meetings are a form of self-care, helping keep him and his secret identity, the ponytail guy, safe. The elevator dings again and out strolls a smarmy man in a terrible wig. He embraces Rapunzel, affectionately calling him a big tub of shit. This is Lowell, played by Neil Patrick Harris. He attempts to hug Mia, who refuses with a glare and settles for a fist bump. Taking in the new guy, he welcomes Dexter to the freak show. Dexter answers sincerely, there's no place else I'd rather be. Over at Lance's apartment, Batista knocks on the door. Mistaking him for Postmates, Batista pulls out his badge and Lance begins to choke. Batista asks to speak with the truck's owner. Lance insists he bought the car from his friend Harrison. Batista is quickly connecting the dots. Back at Leon's, the assembled members discuss their weapon-sharpening techniques when a very pale man enters the room to join the rest, apologizing for his lateness by saying he was unable to find a rideshare. Lowell asks Dexter if he had anything to do with it, and they all laugh. Al asks the newcomer Gareth, also known as the Gemini Killer, to fill in on his year, but he declines. Lowell laughs and tells him not to be such a stereotype, claiming Gareth was voted most likely to become a serial killer in high school. They continue laughing and drinking and sharing. Dexter excuses himself to refresh his drink and chat with his incorporeal nuisance. Harry immediately does not like how chummy things are getting and asks Dexter what he thinks is happening in there. It seems like some sort of boogeyman's club. He asks Dexter if he's really planning on killing those people. Dexter says he hasn't done any research into them. He doesn't even know if the rumors are true, and that doesn't really measure up to the code Harry taught him to follow his whole life. Harry scoffs and says that he also taught him not to play with his food. Man and ghost exchange smirks as Leon calls them to dinner. Spotting Dexter in the back room, Leon smiles somewhat knowingly. In the next room is an opulent dining table laden with all sorts of beautiful and tempting dishes. Everyone sits down excitedly to begin sharing the meal. Al asks if Keith is coming, and there are some quick shots back to the man that Charlie killed in Episode 2. She hands this back to Leon, who says the Tanton Clubbers Club will now join his collection since Keith has no further use for it. There's tense silence for a moment. Leon resets the room by reminding them they all have so much to be thankful for. He welcomes Red into the group, and they all drink a toast to him. Will reaches for a giant lamb chop, and it lands on his plate loudly. The rest of the group begins to dig in. Dexter admires the perfectly cooked pieces of meat in front of him, but is cut off by Leon unveiling a special dish just for him. Braised cauliflower and turnips. Mmm, delicious. Dexter tries to mask the disgust on his face. As Leon explains during Charlie's recon, she noticed that he was a vegan. Barely masking his horror and disappointment, he begins to work at his plate of veggies. After dinner, Lowell pulls down a screen and says this year he's trying something different. Puzzled, he looks to Leon, who instructs him to watch. This is the best part of the evening. Grimly, Dexter worries that this is going to be a vacation slideshow. Simultaneously, Mia leans over and informs Dexter that if this is a vacation slideshow, she's going to set herself on fire. He looks genuinely charmed by her. Lowell continues with his presentation, explaining that he's been stalking a young tattoo artist for some time. When she posted a sketch of her recently deceased dog that she was going to have tattooed, Lowell knew she had to be his next victim. It was inevitable. Dexter questions this. Lowell explains that she ignited a spark they all share, a desire to kill that won't go away. They take turns naming it. The need. The great yearning. The itch. Dexter chimes in with the urge. Leon asks why the tattoo isn't present today. But he informs him it needs a few more sessions, but he will be presenting him with this trophy before he leaves the city. Leon thanks Lowell for his time, and Dexter silently thanks him for making himself an easy first for his own urge. Leon urges Dexter to share, but tells him he doesn't have to on his first time at the party if he's not comfortable. Dexter is surprised to hear that there's going to be more of these gatherings. Leon says they have many activities planned over the next two weeks. Back at the hotel, Harrison checks Ryan Forster's watch, his own personal telltale heart, ticking away loudly in his pocket. He arrives at work and goes to clock in, only to be stopped by Batista. He introduces himself, but Harrison doesn't recognize him. He reminds Harrison of his sister, Jamie, who used to babysit for him. He remembers her very well and asks how she is. Batista proudly remarks that she has her PhD now and pushes Harrison to sit with him and catch up for a few minutes. Harrison asks if he and his dad were close, and he regales him with the tale of Dexter being the emergency witness at his secret wedding to Maria LaGuerra. They laugh and Batista begins to grill him. He asks about Iron Lake and why Harrison left so quickly. Harrison says that Dexter wasn't the dad that he expected to find, and once everything blew up, he took off. Batista asks if Harrison ever learned anything about his dad's past. He mentions how his ex-wife, Maria, thought that he was the Bay Harbor butcher. Harrison is bemused and asks what he's talking about. Batista says that this case has haunted him for years. He says it's safe to tell the truth now that his dad is dead and gone. He inquires again if Harrison knows anything. Harrison smiles cheerfully, standing up with intent. Batista tells him he'll still be in the city a few more days if he wants to talk, asking Harrison his card. Harrison storms out of the bar, clearly perturbed. He passes Elsa, who jokes that he needs to work on his customer service face some more, but he just brushes past her silently. She turns to look at the bar and sees Batista, badged still out. She storms up to him and tells him that he's crazy if he thinks Harrison has anything to do with Ryan Foster's murder. This is the first Batista is hearing of this and asks her to explain what she's talking about. She explains the body found chopped into nine pieces, and Batista goes white hearing the familiar M.O. of the Bay Harbor butcher. As the evening winds down, Lowell playfully tries to see one of Mia's tattoos, but gets shut down hard. Leon tells him to enjoy the city and tells him there will be many more adventures to come. Ponytail Al suggests that they start a group chat so they can get together and tour Ellis Island. The last to leave, Dexter admits sincerely that he's never been able to share things like he has this evening. Out on the street, Dexter orders a chili dog. On second thought, two chili dogs. Turning to eat them as fast as possible, he sees a billboard with Leon's face on it, donating millions of dollars to the NYPD. He ponders Leon's true reason behind all this. Back in his room, Ryan's watch seems to tick louder and louder as he tries to hide it. Appearing to be on the edge of an Edgar Allen Poe-style breakdown, he slams it into a drawer and leaves for Elsa's. She answers the door surprised, and Harrison says he just really needs a friend right now. She lets him in. She and Harrison laugh and eat popcorn watching Drag Race. Harrison gets ready to leave for the evening, not wanting to fall asleep on the train again. Elsa replies that the trains are too unreliable this late and offers to let him sleep on her couch again. He thanks her profusely, and she tells him that he is welcome there any time. Harrison reaches out to Elsa's face to try to pull her in for a kiss. She balks immediately, trying to explain she understands what he's going through. He calls himself an idiot and hurries away. Dexter continues to quietly stalk Harrison from his car. The excitement from backseat driver Harry is palpable. He urges Dexter to reconnect with his son and to cut off all this creepy business. Giving him a gentle slap on the forehead, Dexter calls LOL, and he grumpily answers and agrees to meet and chat about skins later that night. Mia and Dexter go for a jog in Central Park. She tells him that she will answer his questions as long as he can keep up with her. He asks her about her relationship with Leon. She says he's a voyeur and that she's been attending his meetings for four years, even though it's not quite her scene. She really enjoys the money. A few people have come and not come back. One got arrested and was found hung in his prison cell the first night, allegedly. But mostly, if you follow the rules, he takes really good care of his pets. Pivoting, they exchange stories of childhood near Mrs. Relieved to be away from her mother's new boyfriend and thinking her sister was too young for his advances, she returned home from camp to find that that was not true. When she discovered what happened to her sister, she quickly dispatched the problem. Pleased with the intimacy of the moment, Mia invites Dexter home to share some pastries. Back at Mia, she pulls out a box of amazing-looking pastries and hands him one that's not so amazing-looking, a croissant filled with spinach, and says, This is the vegan one. Foiled again by his own backstory, he thanks her and takes it, nibbling away. Mia heavily insinuates that he should join her in the shower. He considers it, but chickens out when he realizes he's about to miss his date with Lowell. He shouts that something's come up, and she's deeply shocked and annoyed that he is not getting in the shower with her. Dexter scurries out of her apartment. Dexter meets Lowell at a nearby bar and apologizes for his tardiness and offers to buy them a round of drinks. Lowell says, unfortunately, he has to go. Today is the day his potential victim is finishing her tattoo, and he wants to harvest it within a few hours. He tells Dexter he loves to talk shop, but this is his alone time. He dismisses himself, and Dexter worries what to do next. Back at the police station, Wallace is poring over Ryan Foster's report while listening to Don't Fear the Reaper by Blue Oyster Cult. Just kidding, it's still fucking staying alive. Her partner enters her office and asks if she's still fixated on Harrison Morgan. He says he's seen this behavior from her before with the New York Ripper, and it almost cost her her job. He warns her not to let that happen with Harrison. Just then, Batista enters, claiming they may be able to help each other with their cases. Outside on the street, the freshly tattooed woman dances to the music on her headphones, admiring her new ink. Will turns on his gas mask and prepares to smother the girl with it when he's overwhelmed from behind by Dexter, who forces the mask over his face until he loses consciousness. He gives Lowell's place a quick dextering and then wakes him with smelling salts. Lowell is shocked to see the man he knows as Red standing over him. He thinks it's bold of him to break Leon's rules on the very first day. Dexter says he's comfortable with his chances. He asks Lowell why he keeps the skins, and he says that they keep him calm, preventing him from murdering even more people. Dexter says he understands. After smashing a painting, he makes a crude blood slide and takes a sample from Lowell's face. Lowell calls it a dumb kind of trophy. Dexter also admits that he isn't Ronald Schmidt but Dexter Morgan. Seeing the confusion on Lowell's face, he adds, I'm the Bay Harbor butcher. Lowell screams as he realizes what's happening, and Dexter plunges the knife into Lowell's chest. Back at the hotel, Harrison runs into Lance, who is not happy to see him. He asks if the truck that Harrison sold him was stolen. Harrison insists that it wasn't. It was his dad's truck. Lance says he better figure out what's going on with the fedora-ass detective that's been following him. Pointing out Batista walking over from the bar, Batista invites Harrison to have a cup of coffee with him. At the diner, Batista grills Harrison on Ryan's desk, pointing out how strangely it matches the exact M.O. of his dad's alleged crimes. Harrison continues to play it cool, saying that they hope they find the guy. Batista says it sounds like Ryan was kind of a piece of shit anyway and probably no great loss. He says he could understand why he did it if he did, but his father's not the same. He had gotten plenty of innocent people hurt, too, including Harrison's mother, Aunt Deb, and Batista's ex-wife, Maria. Harrison refuses to give up anything. Batista grabs Harrison's arm as he leaves and says he hopes he doesn't go down the same path as his father. It's a dark path. Harrison rises and leaves. Ryan's watch ticking loudly in his pocket. Harrison begins to panic. He begins to walk towards the police station, planning to turn himself in, when he is grabbed from behind by his father, telling him not to do that. Harrison is shocked to realize that his dad is alive. Damn, what an episode. Really great episode. You said it was like one of your favorite episodes in the entire Dexterverse, right? Yeah, yeah. Damn. I love the idea of a hoity-toity, high-end serial killer sleepover party. I know. It was just so cool. Peter Dinklage's character is so cool and interesting. I know. We can find out more about him. Same. Yeah. I love this episode. All of the guest stars were fantastic. I love all of those actors. But my biggest gripe was that there wasn't enough of a blessing in his family. Yeah, I know. Most of my alone can play. I know, I know. Also, it was like an hour and change long and I don't know where they would have put them into that storyline. I read today that it was actually the longest episode in Dexter history. That makes sense. Yeah, which is impressive to me. They're not like The Walking Dead, who loves to throw in a couple of two-hour episodes every season. It's kind of nutty. Most hour-long shows are only 44 minutes anyway. Yeah. You really feel that extra 25, 30 minutes of playtime. Yeah, yeah, for sure. At least I did when I was writing the recap. No, it really does make a huge difference. I wanted to point something out that just drove me absolutely nuts. This is Dexter raw-dogging the blood fly. What the hell is he thinking? I think it was a great plan. I know. He just met this guy. I don't think they could pick up a usual print of the slides the way that he's handling them. But still, why take the chance? Also, it's a museum. Don't touch. I know. I know, exactly. But I'm really fascinated by There are certain things that Leon has said and certain things about him that make me so fascinated about what his background really is and how he's connected to law enforcement. Because he's got this gala, this upcoming gala for wounded officers. But I'm sure that the police probably do him a lot of favors and he can probably get away with everything because of all the money that he raises. But I just feel like both Gareth and Leon. Gareth, the Gemini killer. The Gemini killer. I feel like both he and Leon could possibly have some connection to Dexter. In a sense. Yeah. In a sense. Like I said earlier in the intro, I mean, what David Dastmalchian said about Gareth knowing the weaknesses of the Bay Harbor butcher. He doesn't know the weaknesses of James Dokes. James Dokes isn't alive anymore. Yeah. That sentence means he absolutely knows who Dexter is. I hope it doesn't mean Esther and Cody because I'll cry. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I feel like Harrison isn't going anywhere. But Esther and Cody have been noticeably absent. I mean, in mentions and everything. At least Hannah and Rita have been mentioned, you know? But Esther and Cody, there's been no mention of them whatsoever. So I'm wondering, because like what a lot of shows will like to do is they'll like to create an absence of a character so that people aren't thinking about them because they're preparing for something shocking. That would be pretty damn shocking. I know. I know. God, that would be awful if Gareth decides to go after Esther and Cody. That could happen. I really do. Honestly, that would be thrilling, but I would hate it. Leave those kids alone. I know. I know. I'm hoping that they're well-adjusted and leading good lives and are close with each other. I would love to see Harrison reunite with them before Gemini. I know. I've been thinking since New Blood how strange it is that he gave Harrison to Hannah instead of Rita's parents. Those are his blood grandmother and grandfather and siblings. They're half, but still they're his blood relatives. He's like, let me give you to this woman who I know poisons people and I've known for a couple months. He was genuinely planning at first, I'm going to Argentina, before he decided that he was just going to drive into a hurricane and kill himself unsuccessfully. You've heard on My Chemical Romance really loud. I would love to see Asher and Cody again. Yeah, me too. Before Gemini decides to do them in. Oh, God, that would suck. Dexter's identity, I'm pretty sure Gemini already knows. How Gemini knows, I have no idea. I don't think Leon knew at first, but I think he might know now. It has to do with what he said when he showed him the ice truck killer's table. He didn't talk about this is the table where his victims died, where he bled out his victims. He talked about this is the table where the ice truck killer killed himself. Sorry, I keep hitting my mic. He mentioned maybe if Ryan had somebody to talk to that was like him, he'd still be here with us. That's true first thoughts to me. That was a red flag to me. Also, the scene where Dexter is talking, he goes back in the other room to talk to Harry. When they're talking, Leon sees him standing alone, kind of talking to himself, and he just kind of goes, he has like a smirk almost. Yeah. He definitely clocked something there. That's him breathing too much into it, but it definitely seems like he was picking something up from that situation. Yeah. Yeah. I need to go back and watch that scene, but I think I know what you're talking about. I put it in the notes because it stuck out to me so much. There's got to be something up with that. Yeah. I also wanted to point out that there is drawing more connections between Dexter and Gareth, Gemini Killer. Okay, first of all, Gareth was eyeing him hard during the party. Yeah. There were several glances. This was just one of them, but he was staring at him pretty hard throughout the dinner party. Then there is right here, we see that he's got Gemini and the Dark Passenger together. Yeah. I didn't even notice that at first. Yeah, very interesting. I wish I could see these photos better to see what is contained in them, but I did read before the season started that he's called Gemini Killer because he goes after pairs, like relatives or twins. That definitely made me think of Asher and Cody. If he's going around killing twins, though, it also makes me think that Rapunzel, his family could possibly be in trouble because these girls look like they might be twins. Doesn't this look like a Duggar family photo? That's all I could see. It looks exactly like that one picture they used for the 16 and counting or whatever horrific number of children. 19. So they need 15 more kids. No judgment, but get off of her. She's not a Duggar doodle. She shouldn't be having that many kids. Yeah, no kidding. That family's got all kinds of fucked up shit going on. But, yeah, it's interesting, though. If he's going around killing twins and he's got a serial killer who looks like he may have twins, that's quite interesting. And it also makes me think that when Dexter killed Lowell, I was like, they've got all these events planned over the next two weeks, Leon said. If he's going to go after everybody, that's going to look super sus. Yeah. But I'm now thinking that maybe Gemini will go after Rapunzel's twins, you know, not even necessarily knowing that they're his kids. And everything will – all of the Dark Passengers, the original Dark Passengers death and Lowell's death maybe will somehow get blamed on Gemini. Because I think that Dexter and Leon are going to end up working together. I think they're going to have some sort of partnership. Interesting. Yeah. I could see them working out well together because he is – they know each other's secrets. He likes to – like the way that Mia put it, he likes to collect things including people. I think – I genuinely think that when the Canton Clubber died, he got a lot of satisfaction out of that because he got to own the club. Yeah. So I'm not sure he really cares if these people start dropping off. It was both like a look at what I have and also I'll kill you at the same time. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't really think that he cares all that much about their lives. I think he'd rather – he'd probably rather have the trophies. So if Dexter is like helping him stalk serial killers and killing them and bringing him the trophies, I mean, I think that would make for a pretty good partnership, you know? I mean, Leon doesn't fit the code. He's not doing any – he's not instructing any of the kills. They won't – he won't even take requests as we saw in the other episode, like a request gets you killed. So, I mean, his hands are pretty clean. He basically just looks the other way and harbors serial killers. But I could see him and Dexter working really well together. Yeah. Also, I really love the pairing of Peter Dinklage and Uma Thurman. Yeah. And they're like – like the two of them like play really well off of each other. I'm wondering if maybe something doesn't happen to Charlie and he asks Dexter to replace her. Yeah. Girl, you know that quote is high. But – Has Uma Thurman ever done a television show? I don't think she has. I don't think so either. Yeah. But loving her. Loving her. Loving – and this serial killer, like, club side story I am 100% in on. I love all of the actors. I think it's a really interesting, like, corner to explore. Yeah. I love Rapunzel, like, wanting to set up a tour of Ellis Island. I love Eric Stonestreet. I wish – I mean, we haven't seen anything yet. But I'm hoping we get to see some more, like, dramatic, like, terrifying stuff from him. Because he's been in horror movies. He's been scary. But this character is, like, a little too close to his modern family character for me. Like, he's just too, like, chummy and sweet. And I want to see – I'm excited to see his dark side. If we get there. He was in – he was in American Horror Story. I just realized that. Yeah. Yeah. Was it the first season or the second season? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was the guy in the bathroom that was – like, I think he was a patient of what's his name? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he was, like – he was afraid of – that there was a guy in a pig mask in his shower or something. And then, surprise! A guy in a pig mask ends up killing him. How did you know? Poor guy. I love Eric Stonestreet, though. I think he was an invader. What did you say? I think he was an invader. Was he in asylum, too? I didn't see asylum. Oh, you didn't. Okay. Gotcha. So, who was your – who were you putting on the kill table this week? Lowell's wigs. Is that Lowell just the wig? Yeah. Oh, my God. It's so bad. It looks so bad on him. Like – Yeah. Yeah, I hear that. It looks like Michael C. Hall's – they pulled it out of storage from his Season 5 wig and just, like, shook it out and put it on. I think they might have. It looks just like it. It really does. Yeah. Neil Patrick Harris is so handsome. I don't know. Maybe he has, like, a weird haircut or something for a different role since he's only in this one episode as far as we know. Maybe. And they just, like, threw a wig on instead of trying to, like, you know, do anything else. But I'm not a fan. It looks real, unnatural. Yeah. It's – it does look – it does look just like Michael C. Hall's Season 5 wig. For those of you who don't know, Michael C. Hall was battling cancer during Season 5. And he was undergoing radiation at the time, so he had lost all of his hair. And I think, actually, in Season 5, he was – I think with Season 5, he was done with radiation when they started filming. But, you know, like, he was – he hadn't started growing his hair back. So he had to wear a wig for pretty much the entire season. And it looked a little rough, which just drove me nuts. Because I'm like, the star of your show is battling cancer, and you can't give him a better wig. Right? That's when Steve started watching it with me. So I was just, like, complaining about the wig all season, and he didn't know what I was talking about until we got to Season 6. And then he was like, whoa, okay. Yeah, yeah, seriously. Like, there were times in Season 5 when it looked okay, but, oh, man. There were times when it looked really rough. Yeah. Even in the finale period, he just looked so tired and, like, I can't imagine shooting a show like this while battling. Like, treating cancer, I can't think of what I was trying to say. Yeah. Yeah. Like, shooting TV is hard, especially when you're the lead of a show like this. Like, you're in almost every scene. Props to Michael C. Hall for, like, not taking a furlough or something. Yeah, yeah, seriously. Yeah, that's insane. It's a minimum of a 12-hour day. If I remember correctly, so he was diagnosed during Season 4, and he didn't tell anybody. He kept it a secret. And if I remember correctly, he came out with it because he was nominated for a Golden Globe for Dexter, and he went to the Golden Globes, and his eyebrows were gone. He was wearing a black cap over his head, and I think that right before that is when he announced it, because, you know, he didn't want everyone freaking out when they saw him. Yeah. And I think that's why he did win that year. But, yeah, I think that, like, he kept it a secret for as long as he could. So, I don't know. I mean, who knows? Maybe wardrobe, hair and makeup, whatever, didn't have enough time to get a better wig. I don't know. It's a weird one. It's weird. Yeah, for sure. So, okay, so you're putting Lowell's wig on the kill table. I think that's an excellent choice. Hopefully, well, I swear to God, it really does look like his old wig, and I hope to never see that thing again. I am, this week, I'm putting on the kill table. I like to not put the obvious ones, like Lowell. I'm going to go with Elsa for just giving the teeth to all, like, this ridiculous amount of information. Yeah. I mean, he didn't even know anybody died. Who walks up to a cop and just starts saying, you don't know anything about this murder? Like, that's a rough move. Yeah. I'm assuming she's lived in New York her whole life and would know better than to do something like that. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's totally crazy. There was a great, I saw an interview recently with Jack Alcott and Jamie Chung, and he was talking about how he is, he's been good friends with the actress that plays Elsa for years. And he knew that she had auditioned for New Blood, but he hadn't really talked about it a lot. Sorry, not New Blood, Resurrection. Resurrection. And they let him tell her that she got the part. Oh. So, the way that he tried to do it, he called her up and he was like, hey, can you come over and help me run lines for this project I'm doing? And she just immediately got suspicious. Like, she just started asking a million questions. He was being really evasive. And finally she's like, I got the part, didn't I? He's like, yeah, you got it. So, I thought that was really cute. That's awesome. Forgive me, I'm plopping in another cough drop because I feel happy coming on. So, yeah. But Elsa, yeah, first of all, she told him there was a murder, that he was chopped up and put in the trash bags. I mean, girl, what are you thinking? She just handed him Harrison on the Golden Fire. Yeah. I know she doesn't get it. I know she doesn't know, you know, how would she know Batista wasn't one of the cops that's already been bothering him? But, yeah, not the best move, babe. No, not at all. Not at all. We like you, Elsa. Don't make us take you home. I do. I like Elsa a lot. Yeah. I don't want to have to put her on the kill table again. Hopefully, she avoids Rapunzel because she wears her hair in a ponytail for work. Rapunzel is such a funny serial killer name. I know. I prefer calling him Rapunzel because it just works with Rapunzel, yeah. Yeah. I'm the ponytail guy. I know. So, who's getting your Saint Rita? My Saint Rita is going to be Mia in this episode. I just really appreciated her, like, taking Dexter under her wing in this, like, weird and new situation and, like, you know, sticking by him and trying to talk him through the, like, you know. Other than being, like, a bit of a wine douche. Like, I'm a wine snob, but I keep it to myself. Yeah. I'm not going to sit there and be like, you're drinking your wine wrong. Like, ugh. But other than that, I really enjoyed her character. I think it's really interesting. I love Kristen Ritter. I'm really excited to see where they go with her. But, yeah, I thought it was really sweet. Like, she was just like, oh, definitely out of water. I'll take care of you. Yeah, yeah. I appreciated that. Yeah, she didn't go too hard on him when he started chugging the wine. She could have been a lot harder on him. Yeah, that's true. I am giving my St. Rita award to Charlie just for, like, being on the ball and, you know, when Dexter was about to get in the backseat. She's like, oh, fuck you are. I'm packing, buddy. King's riding shotgun. I don't think so. You may have missed kids episodes one or two, but you should not want to get that either. Yeah. I'm loving all of her disgusted looks. Even her bob is disgusted. I said, even her bob is disgusted. Yeah. Her bob is disgusted. She is constantly frowning. Oh, my gosh. I love her. I just, like, we know nothing about her other than she works with Leon. But, like, I just, I want to know more. I just, like, I cannot get enough of her facial expressions. They're fantastic. I'm loving her in this series so far. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Let's go to our bottom five, shall we? What is your, what's your bottom five? My bottom five, my number five is the lack of the Chimera family in this episode. I know I already talked about that. But I want more, even what we got, just the shot of him watching them be a normal family through the window was so sweet. Yeah. I really love those characters and I want to see more of them spending time with Dexter and get more of their backstory because it seems really interesting to me. And they're all so well cast. They're just beautiful, like, sweet people that I want to see more of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. By the way, in case you missed it, on Instagram, gave us the most incredible shout out ever. Ever. Like, did a full on reaction video to our clip of giving him the St. Rita award. It was amazing. Just, what a gem of a guy. If you're out there, it probably won't be the only time, bud. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I was like, I was slightly embarrassed when he did it because I knew that the next one, the next clip that was coming, because it was already prepared and ready to go, was one of my top fives. Him, it was blessing and joy. So I'm like, oh my God, this guy's, like, going to think we're obsessed with him. But he's great. I love him and the whole family. They're fantastic. Thank you for watching. It means a lot. My number five is, God, Dan's staying alive again. That is also on my list, but higher. Yeah, yeah, she needs to start listening to Bumbleeo. Bumbleeo. It's always funny reference. Guns N' Roses or just anything, just that one song. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to hear it anymore. I really don't want to hear it anymore. Unless, like, someone's given someone CPR, I don't want to hear it anymore. Please. Oh my God. You see the new episode of Sonny where they're trying to become EMTs and Dennis is compressing to Bumbleeo. Bumbleeo. Yeah. Yeah. Start listening to Bumbleeo, Claudette. Or something else. Something different. It'll make your depressive powers go faster. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Actually, there's one song by the band LARD called I Want to Be a Drug Sniffing Dog. And it's such a great song. And I put that, I used to put that on a lot of my playlists. And back when I was a gym rat before my car accident, like, I would just shuffle my playlists around and not really, like, give a lot of care to what I was listening to. And it was hilarious because I would be, like, on the elliptical or something, and that song would come on. And I would freak the fuck out because it's so fast-paced. Like, I'm, like, trying to keep up with it. I'm just, I'm about ready to pass out. It's kind of funny. But, by the way, Nine Inch Nails, best workout music. Maybe Murder Podcast. It motivates me to get away from my murderer. I hear you. What is your number four? My number four was Elsa talking to Batista. I know we already went over it in the episode pretty much, but it just seemed like such a rookie move for someone who's lived in New York all their lives. And everyone knows you don't just start saying things to the police. That's not how it works. Yeah, yeah, seriously. Seriously. My number four is Dexter jogging. Dude, no. I'm sorry. The acupuncture is not going to get you back. Like, you should be winded after trying to jog for two seconds. Right. I was in the hospital with pulmonary contusions after my car accident, and the hell that I went through from just pulmonary contusions, okay, was horrific. This guy had a hole blown through his chest. No. He died on the table for a little while. Yeah. He is not going to be jogging. I'm sorry. It's only like four days later, five days, but he's gotten out. Yeah. He's not going to wait very long. No, it's been about three weeks, actually, because he said in, I think it was, actually, I think it was the episode that he met Lessing in. I think he said he had been in the city for a couple of weeks already. So, yeah, he's been, it's been a few weeks. But, yeah, it's just, no. I mean, I realize that, you know, he had some time to heal while he was in his coma, but he also, like, had a lot of muscle atrophy. But we already talked about that. I could go down a huge rabbit hole with that. But, yeah, Dexter just should not be jogging. It just really bugged me. What's your number three? What's your number three? My number three is, how did Harry slap Dexter? Like, what are the rules to this, like, waking dream ghost? Like, is there a Jiminy Cricket handbook that explains how these interactions work? Because that made no sense to me. Like, I mean, he's all in Dexter's head. Yeah. So maybe he just, but he, like, it made noise. That bothered me the rest of the day. I was like, how did he get slapped by a ghost? Yeah. Yeah. So I, there are actually, there were a bunch of moments like that in the episode of Dexter in season five. I think it's, yeah, I think it's, yeah. It is season five because it's right before Rita's funeral, where he was on that road trip with Brian Ghost. And there were a whole bunch of moments like that where you're like, is Brian a ghost or is he actually there? Because things are happening that, like. Why didn't he move things? Yeah. Yeah. He definitely did. He definitely did. Okay. My number three. My God. That sad, sad, sad looking plate of vegetables. Yeah. That's on my list too. You could be so much better, Leon. Seriously. My God. I mean, okay, look at those turnips. Yeah. That's, there's no, like, is there a speck of salt or pepper on that plate anywhere? Like. No, there's nothing. It's just like roasted cauliflower and turnips. It's just like, like browned. Yeah. It smells good. It looks awful. And let's just do this facial expression. Dexter's reaction to everybody eating lamb chops. Yeah. And he's got the sad, pathetic plate of vegetables. I'm loving the whole vegan thing. It's hilarious. We've both been vegan or vegetarian at different points in our lives. Yeah. There's such a plethora of things. Like, you couldn't have put some cashews on that, John? Like, you couldn't have. There's no protein to that. There's no, like, substantive meal. Like, you would have to eat three or four plates of that to even feel full. And I can't imagine muffling down that much unseasoned cauliflower. Yeah. Get some portable mushrooms in there, for God's sake. I mean, my God. Portobello Wellington. Portobello Napoleon. Vegetarian Napoleon. I mean, just, like, anything other than that. I mean, that's so sad. You don't have to go into that more because that's my number two. All right. What else do you have to say about it? Lump that together. All right. Do you have any other comments, then, about the placenta plate of vegetables? I do not. I don't understand how that would be served at such a, like, luxurious, high-end dinner party. Yeah. It just seems odd. But they didn't consider it. These are the only vegan guests. They could have gone all out, you know? Yeah. I mean, honestly, I would rep. Like, the cauliflower doesn't look too bad. It looks like it's been roasted. It might. It doesn't really look like it's got any flavoring on it. Medium rare at best. Yeah. But it might be okay. I love cauliflower, too. I love a cauliflower steak. But you're not going to serve me just a cauliflower steak when everyone else is having a real steak. Yeah. I mean, honestly, like, I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat vegetarian most of the time because my husband is. And, honestly, like, he prefers to do most of the cooking. And I had to go on my own for dinner the other night, and I could have prepared something more, but I settled instead for a banana and some yogurt. And I would honestly – Girl, no. I'd rather have a banana and some lemon yogurt rather than that sad plate of vegetables. It's terrible. I mean, you notice that, like, he eats the entire – he eats every bite of that, and he looks so miserable. Yeah. Well, he loves to eat, so. He'll probably eat whatever you put in front of him. And then he had to – And then he's, like, wolfing down the chili dog. Yes. And then he had to deal with that sad pastry. He's got to come – he's got to tell them that he gave up veganism. Yeah. It was a passing sad. That pastry was not good-looking. Yeah. But, okay, so my number two is – we already talked about it, but it's Elsa filling in Angel, like, just handing – like you said, handing Harrison over on a silver platter. Yeah. Just so unnecessary. It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. What's your number one? My number one is what is Batista doing? Is he not retired? Like – No idea. I don't understand what he's doing because I assumed when they – he left – he went back to Miami. He told all his friends he was retiring. Yeah. And then he took off. I'm assuming he's done being a cop, right? Like – You would think he would have to be back in Miami to work. Exactly. It's not his jurisdiction. Yeah. But he's lying to Harrison about his dad still being dead. So would any of the material, any of the evidence that he gathered even be admissible in court? Because, like, you're entrapping someone. Like, I mean, he's open and he's upfront about the fact that he's a cop, but is he even a cop anymore? Does he have the right to be pursuing this case? I don't know. I don't know, man. I've seen a popular theory going around. So there is a soundbite that I've heard frequently in, like, some of the Dexter resurrection previews that we have not heard on the show yet. And it's Dexter saying, if I am who you think I am, then you know this can't end well for you. And for some reason, a lot of people are thinking that he's saying that to Angel, but that doesn't make much sense to me. I think he's talking to, I actually think he's talking to Gemini. Either Gemini or Leon, when he said that, which it is. Yeah. But, yeah, I don't know what Angel's doing. Yeah. I found that so weird. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Okay. So my number one is just a big gripe that I have with the Dexterverse overall. And it came up in this episode, and it just makes me cringe every single time. Angel, when Angel is rattling off the innocent people that Dexter got killed, of course he throws Deb in there. Yeah. Dexter has nothing to do with Deber's death. That was not his fault. No. No. He was killing him for Rita and Maria's deaths. He had nothing to do with Debra. It's weird because he didn't actually kill any of those three people. Right. But Rita and Maria, he's responsible for their deaths, for sure. But, like, yeah. But, like, that's the second time Deb got shot, too. There's nothing he could have done to save her. He couldn't have stopped her from going after that guy. Yeah, and she was fine. She just had a stroke during surgery. Like, he had nothing to do with her death, and I don't know why they keep feeding us this narrative. I think because they want him to be tortured over, like, you know, over feeling guilt. I mean, he does have a lot to feel guilty over regarding her. For sure. Like, all of, he completely destroyed her life. I mean, he was crazy. Yeah. I mean, he made her basically resort to trying to kill herself and him. But he had nothing to do with her actual death, and I wish they would stop feeding us that. It's so annoying. Okay, so top five. What's your number five? My number five. Sorry, can we pause for one second? Yeah. Sorry. Okay, so what's your number five? My number five was I really like see a murder date that Mia and Dexter went on. I love that he's, like, trying to find, like, he's like, oh, she has a code. What do I do? So into that so quickly. Yeah, I don't think it's going to work out or anything, but I like them as a pair. I love Kristen Ritter. Yeah. She's such a great actress. They work really well together. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I didn't like at first that they seemed to be going down that route. It really immediately annoys me any time Dexter gets with anybody. They open the series saying that he's asexual and, like, not into women, and they, like, let that go, like, episode three. That made sense, though, because Rita was just a beard, but then he ended up genuinely falling for her. Lumen made sense because it was, like, they were both going through traumas that kind of related to each other's, and it was codependent in a very realistic way, and it worked. Yeah. Hannah, fuck no. Like. Yeah. She's pretty, so you're going to break the code. Right. But she's so blonde. She's so blonde. I mean, it's about Strahovski. I might break the code for her. I don't know. I mean, I get it, but. But, yeah, I immediately got annoyed, but then I was like, wait a minute, this could actually work here. And they're both vigilantes, but what's funny is that she doesn't think he's a vigilante. She doesn't know he's a vigilante type killer. She thinks he's killing innocents, and he has to keep that secret because he's supposed to be the dark passenger, so, which is the opposite of everything he's ever done before. So he's this guy who only kills bad people, but he's got to pretend with her like he kills innocent rideshare drivers, which is kind of funny. Those people. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. All right. My number five was just, like, I like the little reminders of the original series, and today we got, in this episode, we got a mention of Jamie, and I liked that a lot. Because I loved Jamie. I really did. Yeah. And I loved how Harrison lit up when, yeah. That was really cute. Yeah. And talking about the red train. Yeah. Cute. She was like, Jamie, she read, yeah, she used to read the hell out of a bedtime story. I thought that was great. Yeah, I just really liked that, and it's cool to hear that she's a middle school principal now. She's basically the only woman in the series that didn't get fridged, so I'm really happy to see it. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. What's your number four? My number four is just, I kind of already went through it, but the idea of this serial killer club existing is so cool. I love the concept. I'm really excited to see where it's going. We talked about this already, but I'm surprised they killed off Neil Patrick Harris so early, although he's probably the highest quote out of those people, so I get wanting to use him and him not having time to do the whole show or whatever, but what a great set of actors that they picked for this. Really, really cool, well-casted, interesting. I'm really caught up in that whole side of the story. Yeah. Yeah, I am too. I'm really enjoying it. It's going to be interesting when they realize that Lola is gone, and she's definitely disappeared, and I'm pretty sure that Jem and I and Leon already know who Dexter actually is, so, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how this pans out. Absolutely. Where was I going here? That was your number four. My number four is Leon and Charlie in general. I just think they're a fun duo. They're so much mystery, but not in an annoying way where you're like they're not giving us enough. We're eager. We're actually eager to know more about them. I love that she's, like, giant, strong, and silent, and he's, like, small, and quick, and funny. Yeah. It's just a good pairing, like, visually, like, chemistry-wise. They work great together. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I absolutely love his reaction when Dexter was, like, you know, hinting or basically asking him, are you like me? The way he giggled. The way he giggled. It's so funny. It's hilarious. I loved it. What is your number three? My number three is going to be the Harrison and Elsa's relationship. It kind of fell apart there at the end of the episode, but, like, it's so clear they both, like, sincerely and genuinely care about each other and are, like, into it, and obviously I don't know, like, what's going on with her and why she's, like, not actively pursuing him, but they're so cute together. Yeah. I really like both actors. I love that she's, like, always looking out for him. Yeah. I hope they work things out. Yeah, I do, too. She's a serial killer, too. Oh, my God. That would be hilarious. I just love that he likes taking care of her kid. That's not a deal breaker for him. He's so young. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. And you know what else? I like the reminder we hear him speaking Spanish with her every once in a while, and I like the reminder that, you know, obviously he would be fluent in Spanish because he grew up in Argentina. So I like that. I like that a lot. My number – wait, this is number three, right? Yeah. My number three is the cinematography and the color in this episode. It's just beautiful. It was so reminiscent of the original Dexter. I love shots. I know. I love these shots, like the – you know, especially this one of Neil Patrick Harris, his character on the kill table. And they have a lot more saran wrap than they usually have. I just realized that. He's a cartoon. Yeah, that's really interesting. They did not use that much on the original show. That's a shit ton. There's another really great shot that I love of Dexter and Charlie in the elevator, and it doesn't look right on our screen here, but it's – I mean, it basically was – it was bright red, like this is the bright red light. And the way that she's looking at him and he's looking at his reflection, it almost looks like – and because of the red color, it almost looks like she's the devil on his shoulder. But it's – you know, you wouldn't think that that's the case because Dexter's a serial killer and she seems like she's somebody who's disgusted with serial killers. But it's – so it's kind of interesting. But she was also – she was also introduced to the song Red Right Hand by Nick Cave. But, yeah, I just – I think that's such a cool shot. And there's another great shot of Dexter looking at his reflection in the mirror looking terrified. Look at that bob in that foot. Yeah, yeah, super fun. Like the set design was fantastic. I mean, I love this room with the Statue of Liberty replica in the middle. I mean, it's unbelievable. Just absolutely incredible cinematography and just amazing. So, yeah, that's my number three. What's your number two? My number two is a bit of an outlier for me because I have generally not enjoyed the use of Harry in the show as his, like – I keep calling him his Jiminy Cricket. Yeah. That's literally what he is. But I really liked the use of Harry in this episode, especially him not being able to be in the room with the other character. Yeah, right here. Him staring through the frosted glass, like, you know, watching, observing still, but he's not able to be in there. Yeah. Those aren't his people. That's not his, you know. He's very uncomfortable with what's happening. And other than the slap, which I thought was really weird. That's true. But also the bit about him telling Dexter, I also taught you not to play with your food I thought was really funny. Yeah. I love – the show's made me love James Dean Marks. I only knew him from Sex and the City before this. Yeah. Richard Wright. Yeah. He's great in this show. And this is my favorite use of him I've seen in the Dexterverse so far. It was really – like, I love that he had to get up and leave all the other serial killers to go talk to his conscience. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's – Michael C. Hall mentions that they're entering a phase – Dexter and Ghost Harry are entering what is probably the most antagonistic phase ever of their relationship. So that's kind of interesting. And also that they're more – they're more peers now. Yeah. Yeah. I really feel like it's interesting because when we last saw Dexter, he had done something, like, worse than he probably ever had before in killing Logan. I mean, that was, like, you know, the peak of his fuck-ups. And I feel like this Dexter is trying to be the best version of himself that he can be, possibly. You know? I just kind of get that feeling. But he's also completely irresponsible when he starts caring about people. And that's ultimately what led him to kill Logan. You know it's going to get messy. I mean, he could have taken him to therapy at any point. Exactly. He apparently even had a therapist that understood the situation, so why not take him to her? Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, just a reminder that the second rule of the code is don't kill an innocent. The first rule of the code is don't get caught. Yeah. So that's always going to come first, which is why I don't think Angel's going to make it. Yeah. I mean, I'm hoping Dexter doesn't kill him. I really do. But I feel like I'm hoping that maybe somebody else will step in. I don't know. But, I mean, I can't imagine Dexter killing Angel. I can't either. I would be unhappy. Yeah. That would be rough. That would be super rough. Yeah. So my number two is basically just everything about the party and Leon's vault. I mean, it was great to see, like, the ice shark killer's table. We even got a flashback of when Dexter killed him. All the crazy serial killer memorabilia that he has, including Trinity's hammer. And Leon also knew that Trinity killed him. Trinity killed him fourth. Yeah. Was that information ever disclosed to anyone? I don't think it was. Yeah. I don't think it was. So he's got connections. Yeah. Definitely. That's my number one. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, everything about it was just so great and so much fun, except for this, like, red-ass looking thing. That was really bad. Yeah. I'm not into that. Yeah. The tattoo collector could do a better job. It's so hard already to make tattoos look good on TV, and I actually just let people have their tattoos. Like, everybody's got tattoos now, but. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a weird. It looks so weird and bad. No insult to the art department, because the art department on the show is amazing. That's my number one, is the vault experience. Like, every moment of that was so cool. Like, the secret sliding wine cellar door and the, you know, big vault door and the whole layout of, like, all of the different pieces and things that he had was so neat. He had Ed Sheeran's lamp. Yeah. Ooh. Charles Manson's guitar. Jeffrey Dahmer's fridge. Yeah. Like, that was really, really cool. I'm sure the art department had an amazing time setting that up. Yeah. Yeah. They, what an amazing job. What a cool set in Leon's place is. Like, I'm loving it. Now, okay. Before I go into my number one, I want to ask you, so I've got a couple of check-offs items here, but I'm wondering if they're just, if they're just, like, fun little things that you think were thrown into the script, or if they're actually going to be revisited at some point. First off is the Tyler Day driver's license. That was significant because he mentioned that it was his first. Yeah. But, I mean, the fact that we got his name and such a focus on his driver's license, do you think this is a check-off driver's license, or do you think it was just to establish that this was his first victim? I think it's more about him putting it there with gloves on. Yeah. And not touching anything than it is about the actual license itself. Because he doesn't touch anything in the whole episode, other than his own, like, utensils, I assume. We don't see him eat. Yeah. But we see him very often handling things with, like, a towel or, you know, the corner of a glove or whatever. Yeah. Definitely. But it may come back. What about the pig farmer? Do you think that's a check-off pig farmer, or just a fun little thing to throw into the conversation? I don't know. Well, I mean, I don't know. I don't think that's anything. I think they're just pointing out that there is a meeting of serial killers that have happened in, like, the real world. Yeah. Yeah. Like, just something to, like, give more flavor to their reference. But it would be interesting to see. I don't think Dexter would be down for a ritualistic orgy. Oh, God, no. No. I can't imagine that at all. Now, what about – where did it go here? Play a descendant killer. That's the ponytail guy. Charles Manson. Maybe I don't have it. New York Ripper came up twice in this episode. Yeah. He had the New York Ripper trophies in the vault, and then Olga mentions that Claudette works on the New York Ripper case. And almost lost her job for being too hyper-focused on one. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that that was just, like, a convenient way of linking the two things together? Or do you think that the New York Ripper is going to somehow come back into play? And, like, maybe the New York Ripper was never caught and is actually a character that is almost unaware of. Neon. New York Ripper. New York Ripper's blessing. It would be a surprise. Yeah. He's kept their Achilles tendon and waits until they fall down. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. They have brought him up. They've brought up that character a lot. Yeah. So I wouldn't be surprised if there was something. Maybe they set him up to be the villain next season. Maybe. Yeah. They didn't really, like, insinuate as to whether or not they were ever caught. They say he was never caught. Oh, they did say he was never caught. Yeah. Okay. Oh. Oh. Okay. Okay. All right. I just hope it's not blessing. I know. No. I can't do it. What if it's Constance? No. That would be crazy. There's, like, two black serial killers. Two serial killers. Serial killers are never black. I know. They're always black. They're almost never women, either. It's pretty rare. Yeah. Yeah. We don't really have, like, yeah, we don't really have any other white. New York Ripper is over. Oh. That would be interesting. Yeah. That would be interesting. Or it was Quinn when he was, like, going up to New York on his weekends. Because, I mean, that's, like, where he's from, right? The accent. I mean. But, yeah. It could be Quinn. That would be super interesting. What if, okay, what if it was Quinn, and Dexter found out, and Quinn found out that Angel was pursuing Dexter, and they were, like, threatening to sell the other out, and so Quinn ends up killing Angel. Interesting. I don't think Quinn's smart enough to be a serial killer. I don't think so, either. He's so mad at everything he does. What if it's Cody? What if Cody's living in New York now, and it's the New York Ripper? The new New York Ripper? Like, son of the New York Ripper, maybe? Yeah. That would be interesting. Yeah. Yeah, that would be super interesting. Murdering people in diapers. If you have any fun ideas of who you think the New York Ripper could be, let us know, because I think it could be a, I think it could be somebody that we already know. That would be interesting. Yeah. I think that's going to be revisited, because I didn't, I didn't, I either don't, didn't remember, or I didn't catch that it was someone who was never caught. So, yeah, I think it'll come back. What if it was Charlie? That would be interesting. If the New York, wait a minute. Okay, so Charlie's blonde. What if the New York Ripper killed serial killers? She's totally dexterous. She doesn't have to be dexterous, because it wasn't her. Exactly. She's like, she'd be essentially dexter's soulmate. She's a blonde who kills killers. I'm into that fan theory. Yeah, and then he and Dexter and Charlie and Leon can be this, like, nice little happy family. Oh, my gosh. Okay, what's your, oh, you said that that was your, yeah. My number one. Pretty much, right? Yeah, they're the same. Okay, so my number one is, this has kind of been going on since the beginning of the show, but it was heavily, there was a lot of it in this episode, and that's the parallels. I'm really digging it. Harrison trying to kiss Elsa and getting shot down reminded me so much of Dexter and Rita in season one in the car when he was all, like, excited about the chopped up body with no blood, and then he, like, felt up her thigh, and she's like, I'm not ready for this, and she got out of the car, and he's like, what? Why did I do that? That reminded me a lot of it, like, the fact that Elsa has a kid, and, you know, that Harrison's really good with, and Elsa giving Harrison shit for not smiling, which is something that, like, we saw a lot with Dexter, and also just kind of the similarities between the other serial killers and Dexter. I mean, the Dark Passenger, both the Dark Passenger and Lowell kind of look like Dexter, but Lowell has a medical background. Dexter never worked in the medical field, but he went, he was pre-med. He was supposed to go to med school. If you only, if you haven't watched the prequel, then you're probably getting ready to correct me and say, no, no, no, he did go to med school, but for some reason the prequel retconned that. I don't know why, but he just went straight from pre-med to working at Miami Metro now. Weird. Yeah, I know. It's a weird thing to retcon. But, you know, Lady Vengeance is a vigilante. Rapunzel is a family man. Gemini's a creep motherfucker. The gang's all here. Yeah. And there's, you know, there were a lot of reminders. There's been a lot of reminders of the privilege that Dexter grew up with as opposed to Brian. And in the prequel, that's examined heavily, and it's just like, it's really sad. Oh, yeah. I mean, Dexter, like, Dexter and Brian went through the same thing. Brian had to remember it. Yeah. And he didn't, like, he didn't have the family. Not only didn't he have to remember it, but he lost his little brother. He lost his little brother. And he had to go, like, through the foster system. Like, it's so sad. There's an episode in Original Sin that is entirely devoted to Brian. Ooh. And, in fact, it's like, there's, he even does some of the narration and stuff. And it's really sad. Like, you find out some other really shitty things that happened to him. Oh. Like, when he was hospitalized and, like, just, you know, Dexter, between the two of them, he really got lucky. Yeah. And there have been other instances along the way, too, where, and Harrison, too. Like, you know, Harrison had a fucked-up childhood. And he, I mean, he got abandoned by his dad, although I think that his, I think Dexter had a good reason for that. I mean, but it still sucks. There's, Dexter is, I like being reminded of the privilege that he had as opposed to, like, Harrison and Brian and some others. Like, Jeremy Downs, you know, is another example. Nobody was there for him to help him figure things out. I mean, his story about being assaulted by her stepfather and then finding out he was also assaulting her younger sister, like, that's horrific. Yeah. And the story she said about, like, the horrible thing that she did to that kid. And her mom basically said, don't be so angry instead of getting her therapy. Evil. Yeah. I mean, Dexter grew up with a lot of privilege and having a semi-normal family that loved and supported him. So, yeah, I just, I'm seeing a lot of parallels in this show, and I'm really digging it. So that's my number one. But do you have anything else to add before we skedaddle on? There's one last thing I want to talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it killed me. First of all, the idea of Neil Patrick Harris' character walking around with a tank of gas. Like, he's on the street in New York. Like, no one's going to see you put a gas mask over this girl's face. It was an insane choice. I know. For him to be, like, a successful multi-time, like, serial killer and getting away with it. Just, like, bizarre and funny. And, like, having it turned around on him was great. But, like, who would do, like, how is that your first choice? I think you're picked up. Yeah, I know. Weird. Weird. Very weird. Very weird. I like the count backwards from one. Yeah. I appreciated that. That was pretty funny. I mean, just as a frequent surgery patient, I appreciated that. Like, and I didn't find out until recently, either, that it's basically just, like, it's just a psychological thing. I mean, because as soon as they want you out, you're out. I mean, it's, like, you know, it's just a way of, like, them making, it's a way of making them sure, like, you know, making sure that you're out. But it's also, it's really not much of a, it really doesn't mean much of anything, because you're out. When you're out, you're out. They turn it on, and it's just like, boom, you're gone. Yeah. I had, like, a dental extraction where they had to, like, put me under. And they're like, okay, start the countdown from one. And I pushed myself up on the bed, and it, like, pulled my heart monitor out. And I went, boop, and then I went out. And I was, like, oh, my God, I just, like, woke up, like, am I alive? Oh, my God. That's the only time I've been under anesthesia, so. I don't even know how many times at this point. It's, I mean, it's definitely in the double digits, but it might be, like, God, I have no idea. I don't even want to guess. It's in the 20s. I don't know. All right. Well, that's, yeah, this is going to be a hard episode to top. But I'm excited to see what's to come. It's been great so far. And remember, we do have an after show, Sunday nights, immediately following the show. I apologize that this episode is a little late this week. I mean, by late, it's still going up the next day. But, you know, we try to have these available right after the episode's air on Thursday night. But, yeah, we actually had to re-record this episode because the audio got corrupted. This is our second time recording this. Round two. So I apologize for the lateness in getting this out. But, yeah, we just didn't anticipate that. But, you know, hopefully next week we will be back to having it available right after the show's over. Join us Sunday night if you want to be a backup co-host. 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