jane eyre ep2

Charlotte Bronte's novel Jane Eyre is a love story and a marriage plot, inspired by Charlotte's own experiences. Charlotte and her sister Emily studied in Brussels, where Charlotte became infatuated with the school director, Constantine Eger. Despite being married, Eger flirted with Charlotte, but eventually stopped due to his wife's intervention. Charlotte's intense feelings for Eger mirrored Jane's feelings for Rochester in the novel. Love in Jane Eyre is portrayed as tumultuous and often unhealthy. Charlotte's portrayal of passionate love challenged societal norms of the time. The novel deviates from traditional marriage plot structures, offering a unique perspective on love and devotion. You're listening to The Secret Life of Birks, with Sophie Gee and Jonathan Claypole. This episode, Jane Eyre, Part 2. I tell you I must go, I retorted, roused to something like passion. Do you think I can stay to become nothing to you? Do you think I am an automaton, a machine without feelings? Do you think because I am poor, obscure, plain, and little, I am soulless and heartless? You think wrong. I have as much soul as you and full as much heart. I am not talking to you now through the medium of custom, conventionalities, nor even of mortal flesh. It is my spirit that addresses your spirit, just as if both had passed through the grave and we stood at God's feet, equal as we are. As we are, repeated Mr. Rochester. So, he added, enclosing me in his arms, gathering me to his breast, pressing his lips on my lips. So, Jane. Wow. It's wonderful, that, isn't it? It is wonderful, actually. And we were talking last time about the way that Charlotte Bronte lets Jane Eyre say the things that women don't get to say. It's incredibly passionate. It is. So, in the last episode, we looked at how Jane Eyre's childhood and early experiences track against Charlotte's own, but Jane Eyre is ultimately a love story and a marriage plot, and those elements, likewise, have an origin in Charlotte's own life, although the outcome is quite different. So, when we left Charlotte Bronte in the last episode, it was 1842. Charlotte, now 26, and her sister, Emily Bronte, arrive in Brussels to study at finishing school and to get their micro-credential, their diploma, because Charlotte's grand vision for the social misfits that is the Bronte family is that they're going to start a girl's school at the family parsonage. In Yorkshire. So, that's the game plan. They keep to themselves, Charlotte and Emily. They're focused. They want to get the micro-credential and get back. As usual, they're struggling with their absence from the parsonage, but while Emily soon tires and wants to go home, because Emily, of all the sisters, is the one who really does, if she's more than a few miles away from how her parsonage starts to kind of grow weak and lose her powers. That's very Wuthering Heights. Very well, yes. She wrote Wuthering Heights. She wrote Wuthering Heights, so it's not surprising. Charlotte, however, has something keeping her, and after their first year studying, Charlotte goes back alone for a second year, and it's because she's become curious about and increasingly obsessed with the director of the school. He's a man called Constantine Eger. He's not an attractive man, but he has a swashbuckling past. Oh, I like that. A Belgian schoolmaster with a swashbuckling past. I know. No, but he fought on the streets in the Belgian Revolution of 1830. He manned the barricades, which is pretty swashbuckling. He's got a checkered history. He lost his first wife and child to cholera. He's married his second wife, who runs the school, and Charlotte describes him in a letter as very choleric and irritable in temperament, a little black ugly being with a face that varies in expression. Oh, that's completely Roger's touch. She just totally lifted it, which is fair enough. Yes, because when she sees Rochester, in a slightly sort of cliched scene actually where he falls off his horse, doesn't he, and she has to help him, but anyway, she says, he had a dark face with stern features and a heavy brow. He was past youth, but had not reached middle age. Perhaps he might be 35. I felt no fear of him, but a little shyness. Had he been a handsome, heroic-looking gentleman, I should not have dared to stand last questioning him against his will and offering my services unasked. Yes. Yes, the unasked services, just to clarify, is to help him up off the ground once he's fallen off his horse. Okay. Were you thinking the listener was going to come to unseemly thought? Offering my services unasked. What is frankly a racy and libidinous book? I think that says more about you, Sophie, than anyone else. It didn't occur to me that services might be something- One would offer. Yes. Obviously, Rochester is not Constantine Eger, but there is a similarity in his looks, their irritability, the age difference, and also the dynamic between Rochester and Jane and between Eger and Charlotte. That was obviously Charlotte's type, the dark, brooding, troubled, ugly, ugly man. She's got the hops for ugly man. Yes, and little. I wonder what that means. Short? Well, she was very, very little as well, so she's looking for somebody her own size. It's very hard not to connect Jane's feelings for Rochester with Charlotte's for Eger. Yes. What happened with Eger? Did he go for it? Well, he flirts with her, so in the way that Rochester games Jane and dresses up as a gypsy and tells her fortune and pretends to be in love with another woman, which is all a complete waste of time because Jane Eyre is in love with Rochester very early on. She's a sure thing. Rochester goes through this very elaborate gaslighting process, which isn't even necessary. One thing I'll say about gaslighting is that if you are going to gaslight your love interest, you want it to actually achieve something and not be a complete waste of time. You want payoff. You do. Let's come back to that. So, it's very hard not to connect Jane's feelings for Rochester with Charlotte's for Eger. There's that moment where Jane, again, she describes Rochester's colorless, olive face, square, massive brow, broad and jetty eyebrows, deep eyes, strong features, firm, grim mouth, all energy, decision, will, were not beautiful according to rule, but they were more than beautiful to me. They were full of an interest, an influence that quite mastered me, that took my feelings from my own power and fettered them in his. He made me love him without looking at me. Gosh. It's easy to want to make fun of that passage, but that's a very intimate, raw piece of writing, isn't it? Yeah. Love is not easy for Charlotte or for Jane Eyre, an influence that quite mastered me. He took my feelings from my own power and fettered them in his. Of course, on the one hand, that's not the kind of language of love that you would use now. We don't admire domination and mastery anymore, but at the time, that would have been quite a revolutionary way to think about passion, as being involuntary, beyond one's control, and also not being physically beautiful, being a meeting of minds and hearts, not a meeting of physical attraction. Love is often not pleasant in Jane Eyre, is it? It's St. John, the sort of dry, uptight St. John. Even he loves someone. It's not Jane Eyre. It's that girl, Rosamond, who is just kind of the local beauty, and she causes him to tremble and quiver. Rochester, of course, lies on the sofa, wailing and weeping when Jane is going to leave him, and his first wife goes mad, not from love, but kind of from marriage. So people are literally made sick in this book. Yes, and not in that kind of Shakespeare way, where young lovers sort of writhe around. Yes, right. It's not, if music be the food of love, play on. This is something... No, it's not Joseph Fiennes wringing his hands. There's a real morbidity to love in Jane Eyre, isn't there? It's stomach churning, trembling, terribly anxious stuff. Yes, you can sort of die of love. I believe that Charlotte felt that, and I believe she felt that for this teacher, Constantine Eger. And from her diaries and letters, he's attracted to her, or at least he likes the fact she's attracted to him, and he comes on hot and cold. He's very Rochester-like. He'll flirt with her one day and then ignore her for a couple of weeks. Oh, interesting. But hang on, I thought Eger was married. He is. He's married to the directoress of the school, and she notices what's going on, and at some point presumably gives him a stern talking to, because he suddenly retreats and stops flirting with Charlotte. Okay, so she must issue some sort of, what, ultimatum or prohibition. Yes, and by that point, it's too late for Charlotte. Very young, very innocent, this older man has flirted with her, and she is head over heels in love. Poor Charlotte. You know, I'm thinking as you're speaking about this consistent trope in the novel and also in Charlotte's life of unavailable men for whom women make themselves completely emotionally vulnerable. I mean, Rochester is available in the end, but he does a lot of gaslighting. Yes, it's true that they are quite oppressive figures, that there's a sort of lack of liberation in the strength of feeling that Jane has or that Charlotte has, but I also actually just want to keep underscoring that by the standards of what was permissible for women to feel and think and say in mid-Victorian Britain, to assert one's own feeling life in that way, one's own capacity for passion, that is quite a strong move on a woman's part, I think, to have that kind of dedication, that capacity for devotion. Yeah, I think it is, and as a result of which as well, it messes with the marriage plot as a novelistic structural trope. That's a great point. Because her feelings about love and the obligations of love are very unique and very different, and therefore the marriage plot in Jane Eyre, it's not your normal marriage plot story. Yes, that's a really good point, because, you know, of course there's lots of cheesy stuff, there's lots of stuff where Bronte is basically flagging, it's a marriage plot, you know, Rochester falls off his horse, that's how they meet one another, they can't confess their love to one another because there are all these various misunderstandings, he falls in love with her despite her lack of wealth, which was already a cliche at the time, and there's an obstacle to their marriage, which happens to be a madwoman in the attic, which is going a lot further than previously. But nonetheless, in lots of ways it sort of cleaves to the marriage plot, but then Charlotte really games the genre by putting all these unusual details in which come from personal experience, and the ugliness is a big one. Jane doesn't like hot men. So, for example, when Mr. Rochester says to her, do you think me handsome, she says, no, sir. So it's a kind of comedy of frankness, and Rochester's unbelievably mercurial personality, I suppose he's like a vastly dialed up version of Mr. Darcy, he's incredibly mean to her. And she thinks he's going to marry Blanche Ingram, the very tall, quite, I think, quite sturdy woman who is the great beauty of the neighborhood. Sturdiness, no comparison. Yeah. Well, he says something later about how sturdy she is. Anyway, Jane says to Rochester, I'll help you out whenever I can be useful, sir. And he says, for instance, the night before I'm married, I'm sure I shall not be able to sleep. Will you promise to sit up with me? And I promise to you I can talk with my lovely one. So, you know, that's really awful and manipulative, he's incredibly rude to her. He says at one point in her hearing, what the deuce is it to me whether Miss Eyre be there or not? At this moment, I'm not disposed to accost her. At the same time, the way that Rochester and Jane Eyre speak to one another without censoring themselves, without restraint, that I think is like Darcy and Elizabeth, who were also quite rude to one another in Pride and Prejudice, and that's part of the joke of Pride and Prejudice. And it all comes from Beatrice and Benedict, I suppose. Beatrice and Benedict, yes. From Shakespeare's much ado about nothing. Yes, that's a lovely kind of playful relationship. Is Rochester dated as a character? Because I presume at the time Jane Eyre came out, women reading this book would have really had the hots. It'd be like, I keep mentioning Daniel Craig, so I clearly have some repressed homoerotic obsession with Daniel Craig. It's actually very flagrant, but I think at the time when the book came out, women readers were very attracted to Mr. Rochester as a character. And do you find him hot? I don't find him hot. No. No, I don't find him hot. I find his... Yeah, no, I don't find his bad temper hot. Okay. I don't find his emotional gaslighting hot. How about his cross-dressing? That's one of the better things about him. I like his money. I like that. He's obviously quite bright. That's a good thing. And you know what I like about Rochester? I like his passion. Right. I like his capacity to declare his heart. Is Darcy hot in... Oh, yeah, he's very hot. Okay. So we'll do that another time. Yeah. And that's not just Colin Firth talking. I think the actual character is very hot. So Charlotte Bronte has done something quite weird and unique to herself then with Rochester. Yes, you're right. I mean, what's hot about Darcy? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 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