EPISODE TWO - The gruesome story of the Girl Scouts and Issei Sagawa

In the first part of the podcast, they discuss the Girl Scout murders that occurred in 1977. Three young girls were raped and murdered at an Oklahoma campsite. The killer had warned the camp counselor in a note, but it was dismissed as a prank. The bodies of the girls were found with only a red flashlight and a bloody footprint as evidence. In the second part, they talk about Issei Sagawa, a cannibal who became a local celebrity in Japan after escaping from a mental institution. He came from a wealthy family and had exhibited cannibalistic urges from a young age. He broke into a woman's house and attempted to rape her, and later killed and ate his classmate in France. He was declared sane and released from the mental institution. The podcasters express shock and disbelief at the lack of punishment for his crimes. Hello, welcome back to the JMN podcast and today we'll be talking about the Girl Scout murders. In the summer of 1977, three young Girl Scouts staying in an Oklahoma campsite were raped and murdered. The girls, Lori, Michelle, and Doris, were between the ages of 8 and 10. That's honestly, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but that's actually awful just hearing that, because they were so young. That is, and it's a fact that the killer warned the counselor about it. Yeah, he warned the counselor, like he wrote a note and she still allowed the camp to go on, even knowing that something may happen to the girls. I guess they thought that the killer was bluffing. No, but that's honestly very irresponsible. It is. Because when girls or any kids go to a camp, you're responsible for the people there. Supposedly, the campsite was supposed to be the safest, and they didn't take care of it. They didn't take proper precautions of what could even happen. I don't even know how a person could even get to the girls. Shouldn't a team member, like a South Pacific member be there with them? I thought it was so easy to get at the girls. Yeah, to get to the girls. And then, about two months before the murders, a camp counselor found a disturbing note in her belongings. The culprit promised to murder three children at the camp, so the culprit. That sucks. Knowing that young campers enjoy telling scary stories around the campfire, the camp counselor dismissed the threatening note as nothing more than a prank. How can you even dismiss that? You should be worried about that. Or at least think about it. Or have a police officer on site or something. Or a security guard. Supposedly, it was a decision she would come to regret. She should regret it, honestly. That's awful. Early in the morning of June 13, the girls' bodies were found in their sleeping bags out on the trail leading to the camp showers. The only evidence that their killer left behind was a red flashlight and a bloody footprint. So he was never even found. That sucks. That's awful, honestly. I wonder how the parents feel of the girls. Yeah. Knowing that their daughters went there and they'll never see them again. It's like your child died and you thought they were going to be safe. But not even a peaceful death. A horrible death. They assaulted the kids. They strangled them. It's only one guy. Yeah, and it's only one person that did that to three little girls. And also, one little girl was on top of her sleeping bag because they were under a tree. And as soon as the counselor went outside to go check up on them, they were dead. That's awful. The other two girls were under the sleeping bag and the other one was on top of it. And she saw all the bruises, the rope that was on their neck and everything. It was so sad. That's awful. How did you not hear anything? Did nobody hear the screams or cries or anything? Yeah. I wonder how they said anything to the parents. Yeah. It's super irresponsible, the counselor and everybody who works there. Even just being at a camp, you should have night patrol or something. Exactly. Especially for little kids. Yeah. Especially. Yeah, especially. It's so sad. Because kids... Because they're ages of 8 to 10. They're not even in middle school yet. They're still in primary. That's awful. It's so sad. Well, that will conclude the first half of this episode. And when we come back, we'll be talking about Issaoui, Sagawa, Dikembe. Hello, welcome back to the JMN Podcast. And I'm here with... Mia. Natalie. And Jessica. And we'll be talking about Issaoui, Sagawa, the cannibal. This cannibal became a local celebrity after singing himself out of a Japanese mental institution in 1986. So already he was pretty crazy. Yeah. Issaoui, Sagawa, came from a wealthy family and had exhibited cannibalistic urges from an early age. So already he was not right. Yeah. At an early age. That's kind of crazy. Yeah. Why do you want to eat humans? It's crazy too how serial killers are built when they're kids and they start to do... Unlegal stuff. Unlegal stuff. Do their parents not notice? Exactly. I feel like I am like, y'all are raising this person and they end up like this. It's sad how parents don't really see what kids are doing. They don't pay attention. Yeah. They don't pay attention. I feel like if you just pay attention to your kids, you'll understand how... Just observe for a little bit and see how they do whatever they do. Breaking into a woman's house to cut off some of her flesh, he was caught in charge with attempted rape. Yeah. And this was at 23. Yeah. So he was so young already eating human flesh. He didn't even get charged right. And then this was later. He was moved to France to earn his PhD in literature. It would be then, at the age of 32, that Sagula would kill and eat his classmate, Rene Hartveld. Hartveld? Hartveld. He admitted to luring the 25-year-old Dutch woman to his apartment under the guise of working on poetry. He said he chose her for her beauty and her health, two things he believed he lacked. After shooting her in the neck, he ate various parts of her body over the course of two days. That's unbelievable. What? How do people like... Don't they look at his recommendations? That's what I'm saying. They didn't even see that? Yeah. Like, what happened in the past? Like, how could someone do that though? Like, this poor woman. She was just... He said that she was under the impression that they were going to work on poetry. That's like such a horrible way to die. That's what I'm saying. There might even be a romantic connection between the two. How would you think that's okay, eating somebody? And that's his classmate. Yeah. Eating a person? And this was in France, so that just says that this stuff can happen anywhere. Anywhere. Anywhere. Nobody would think it would happen there. Yeah. And then it says, That's good. He should be caught. Yeah. But nothing happened. Nothing happened? Nothing. So he had no real punishment. Wow. Wow. Like, he did all this and he only ended up in like a mental health institution. That should be prison. Or it should be like the death sentence. Exactly. Yeah. Death row. Death row. Oh my gosh. For doing that. And this is after being deported to Japan. He was declared sane by a Japanese psychologist and was so able to find himself out of the mental health place. Even if it's something mental, I feel like if you know you're... You should still be kept away from people. Like, if you're not right. That's not right. Like, I don't think some people... They just let him out. Yeah, like some people you... Sometimes you can't like get help for certain things. Like, that's just the way you are. But he ate people. Yeah, that's not... That's not something normal to do. At all. Like, to eat somebody? That's crazy. Just to be there for two years? Yes. That should be death row. For eating somebody. To eat her body parts too? Like, you're not even like... And then, like, she was all like... She was under the impression that it was going to be like a good night. And she just gets shot. Like, shot in the neck. She was so young too. Yeah, 25. Like, imagine how much of her life she still had to live. Yeah. And this is at age 32. He's not like 50 or anything. Like, he's still young. He is a young man with a mental issue and eating people. He could have been doing something else. He wanted to do that. Yeah, that's crazy. But this concludes the second episode of the Dayman Podcast. We want to thank you for listening to our podcast. And we're closing out with Nia and Jessica. Thank you for listening. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.