Brian p2

The conversation revolves around the impact of podcasts and social media, particularly Instagram, on society. It highlights how podcasts shape thoughts by presenting arguments and how social media can distort reality by focusing on likes as numbers instead of individual engagement. The speakers discuss the diminishing attention spans due to doomscrolling and the superficial activism seen on platforms like Instagram. They also touch on the importance of face-to-face interactions for meaningful action and the need to view social media as an educational tool rather than a source of mindless consumption. Overall, they emphasize the value of individual connections over quantifiable metrics in online interactions. Yeah, podcasts are fundamentally something which is part of the juice-growing era, because they're sort of like, they're an instrument to tell people what to think, you know? That's true. Like, it goes through a whole thought process, and it's basically an essay on, you will think this thought because of these reasons. And you'll see a bunch of people, like, what's it called, I don't know, did you see that video of, like, that kid who was, like, hailed Hitler, you know, to, what's it called, that dude who was, like, a thing who was, like, you know the guy. You know the kid. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then the guy was just like, why? And, I don't know, the kid just, like, couldn't give him an answer, and it's just like, like that. The kid just has hatred with no, with, like... No reason. Yeah, no reason in the part. The kid just hates people. Right. But, yeah. I, yeah, I think within our era, doomscrolling has made it so context is less desirable and less necessary. Like, right, it's just about the attention spans, like, everybody's attention spans are so fucked that when you ask somebody to tell, like, let's say I ask you, let's say I ask somebody who doomscrolls often to answer me, like, I say, what is your name? And then they say, no, no, no, not what is your name, like, what is, what is, what happened yesterday, right? I'll say, yeah, what happened yesterday? And then they'll give me, like, like, how would you, how would somebody doomscrolling answer that? I don't know. Because I don't doomscroll. I know. I could tell you exactly what I just answered, right? Exactly. But, like, who doomscrolls wouldn't be able to because their attention span is so fucked up that they would probably just... They would space out as I'm asking the question. I don't know if it's that true, but I think they might just, like, like, their whole day gets... I don't know about you, but when I used to scroll a lot, my attention span was just, or not even attention span, my day was shortened. I noticed that my days got noticeably longer when I, like, when I just deleted Instagram off the phone and just started working. Exactly. Exactly. It was almost like I had an extra, like, extra half a day to work in just a day. Yeah. Instagram is, like, my thing. Oh. Yeah. I don't know. They... It is unfortunate. I do think. Yeah. I do think. Fundamentally, I think it's fair. Like, there are people who say it's useful for creating organized communities, but I think it's quite the opposite. Yeah. Face-to-face, you can actually, like, create action and actually do things. Yeah. Like, in the past, like, people talked about, like, labor union shit. Yeah. Like, yeah, labor unions used to meet in person and then they would flip out if, like, if their demands were met. Yeah. Like, you know the Highland County poll wars? No. Like, that's shit that people used to do. But now that you have Instagram, the most people will do is, like, oh, free Palestine and then they'll just, like, shut up. Yeah. After making three posts, they think they've done enough social justice for the day. That's true. Well, I think the basal issue of all social media is the fact that when you, let's say, look at your life under a post, the first thing you see is a number. That's the issue. Because it quantifies everything, right? So, the benefit of being in real life and not online is that you're forced to, let's say, when you talk to somebody else, you're forced to confront them as an individual, right? Not a number. What social media does is that, let's say, I get 50 likes, right? It's almost like Instagram is saying, this number, just due to the UI, it just says, like, this number is more important. Well, what I've tried to practice, and I don't think Instagram should be banned, because I think Instagram should be, like, an educational platform. Yeah, so as long as you have the ability to post, as long as you have your First Amendment rights on Instagram, you're going to get people just posting, like, Zoom scrolling. My belief is you're just going to get people posting Zoom scrolling, or Zoom scrollable swaps. Yeah. Like, you'll get, like, this morning, when we were organizing this trip on Instagram, I opened my For You page. Yeah. The first thing I saw was, like, it was all advent, it was fun, but it was just, like, a video of, like, an African kid running around with a Glock. And he just, like, sprayed it into, like, he just, like, sprayed it into a crowded village. Oh, really? Yeah. Like, it was actually insane. Oh, my God. That, like, that's the, that's my Instagram. What I'm trying to practice now is, like, when I open my likes on a post, I try to ignore the number and see, instead, for each person who wants my post for who they are. So, let's say you drop a like on my post, right? I would not read you as a number. I would read you as, this is private. We have experiences together, that kind of thing. I think you're doing the whole liking thing wrong. I think the comments are much more valuable on a post than a like. That's true. But the comments show that somebody actually engages enough to think. I don't know. Every time I see a, I see, like, I'll see kids in public, just, like, scrolling on their phone. They'll just be, like, scrolling through. They'll like something, scroll, like it, scroll, like it. Like, they're, like, that's the behavior. Like, I don't think, I don't even care about my likes anymore. I don't think I've posted in, like, a year. I don't think I'm ever going to post again. No, but all I'm doing, all I'm doing is that, that action of seeing each individual liker as an individual is a direct counter to the quantifying nature of the UI. That's it. Yeah, that's true. That's a, I don't know. I still think, I still think that it's, that the whole idea of like, like, you can't reasonably engage with 150 people at once, you know? I guess, yeah. That's, like, you can't communicate, like, there's not enough bandwidth for it to be built 1659. I heard that. No, we just saw a license plate. That's right, yeah. Now what? If only it was 4260. Well, yeah, I don't think they pay for the same place with that. Oh. Yeah. Let's resume over there. Yeah.