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Talk: 20080406-Larry_Rosenberg-CIMC-king_pasenadi_goes_on_a_diet_part_2_also_self_knowing_a_quiet_passion_36-6514 Leandra Tejedor.json Start_time: 01:05:25 Display_question: I notice that even though I am full. I have a hard time stopping eating because the texture, and taste, is so good. Keyword_search: body, mind, eating, interrelated, texture, greed, Buddha, moderation, unlearning, anticipation, beggarly giving, queenly/kingly giving, deprived, attachment, craving, first noble truth, wisdom, betray, suffering, cod liver oil, compassion, health, Amazon, books Question_content: Questioner: You were talking about noticing the body and the mind when you're eating, separating them… Larry: Well, seeing they're interrelated, but they're distinguishable. Questioner: Right. So just something that occurs to me is that when I'm eating, and I know it is time to stop because I’m starting to get full, but while I’m eating the texture is so wonderful. The taste is so…I don’t know. Larry: You don't want to stop. Questioner: I don’t want to stop. Larry: Yeah, it's called greed. It's called greed. Yeah. The wanting mind. Questioner: It’s just the process, the taste, the texture, that’s short. Larry: Okay. But that's why you want it to continue. Okay. Now, if you decide that you're going to follow… that you want to eat moderately, then if you don't decide that, eat as much as you want. I'm not a dietitian. Do you see what I'm getting at? If you have set for yourself that you want to eat in moderation, then you can see that, of course, when things taste good, then that's what we like. And we're not greedy for things we don't want. Like sometimes people give gifts, and the Buddha called them beggarly giving. It's like you don't want it anyway. Oh, here's my… and you give something away. That's a piece of junk, but you take it. Oh, thank you very much. And then there's queenly, and kingly giving. He didn't say queenly, but I think we have to update it. And that's when your gift is, something you really treasure yourself. So, it depends on what you've set for yourself. But it's an interesting question because now you're up against your mind. And the mind is saying, I know that I should stop right now, but I can't. It's so good. Watch. At that point, I'm not saying don't… stop it. Break_line: Now, here's what I have found. At that point, the mind will become desperate. It's like the planet is about to completely annihilate you. You are the most deprived, pitiful figure, who ever lived. Because you can't have that texture, and you watch it. And then sometimes a little bit of reason. Is that really true? It's not true. So that sometimes you then have to exercise a little bit, to begin with restraint, and realize…now it's in the teachings. Often, we know exactly what to do, because we know what's wise, and what's unwise. But we betray our understanding. Wisdom is living our understanding. When the living, and the wisdom, are the same thing. Now, how to get to that point, because a lot of what we're doing is not wise. That's the whole point of why centers like this exist, and why I'm blabbing on like this. So, we're unlearning patterns that we pay a great price for them. Okay, so then what would you do? Let's say, now here's what I've discovered. Now, I don't know about the texture and all that, but let's say what I've discovered is, the anticipation. Like, oh, is that delicious? And then if you stay with it, is it really that good? Is it? Questioner: Sometimes. Larry: Okay, good. Chew on yeah, okay. Questioner: No, I can stop but I feel very deprived. Larry: But look, see, instead of putting up with feeling deprived, learn from it, because what you're seeing there is, the price of attachment. So, then you have the noble truths. They're not meant to die in a book. The first noble truth is there is suffering, in human life. It's due to craving, and attachment. You're attached to that food. Okay, now look, let's say there's a really good reason, you have to moderate your eating, for health reasons, or very important reasons, whatever they may be, or for whatever reason you've set your heart on doing that. Then that has to shift your priorities a bit. Because then what you're seeing is, I know exactly when to stop, but I don't. I've betrayed my understanding, or I've betrayed myself, in a way. Then you might feel guilty, and you see that it's not about guilt. It's about learning your way out of this pattern. It's not this kind of grim. I just won't do that anymore. We already try to do that, doesn't last. Break_line: It lasts two weeks, and then we start in again because it's so arduous and it's grim and joyless. It's like cod liver oil. Once we grow up and our mommies don't make us take it. Who keeps taking cod liver oil? Well, now everyone's so health conscious. But once we left our mommies, I didn't take any more cod liver oil. You got to be crazy. But once my mother was around, have some cod liver oil. It's good for your bones, and it's good for you. Okay. Do you see what I'm getting at? Break_line: So, it's got an active, ongoing, participative aspect practice. It's not mechanical. You see, oh look how desperate the mind gets. Learn. See it, with some compassion for yourself. But what I found is, very often, the anticipation of it, of what you think you want, or you want, it's not as good as, what the mind cracks it up to be. Break_line: Okay, let me give you an example. Just today, I live in a three story. The second story, he gets a lot of...I teach often at night, and on weekends, so I'm home during the day, and then packages are delivered, and they mainly go to the second floor, from Amazon. This... and there's books, and this, and that. And I get it once in a while, too, and I order something, and sometimes I'll feel like, oh, there goes one for Susan again, another book from Amazon. And then I saw, and I said, well, you're leading the race between third floor, in terms... and she said, yeah, I know, but let me tell you what that's like. I say, I know what it's like. When you come home from work, it's exciting to see the package waiting for you, isn't it? Oh, it's a great feeling. It's a great feeling ordering online, and reading about it, ordering it. And then I come home from work, I'm tired. Oh, there it's waiting for me. Oh. And then I opened it up and said, I have a whole stack of books. I don't have time to read them. So, it gives you a good feel. Anyone know what I'm talking about? Okay End_time: 01:11:43
