Nate Bright

Jackie, the host of the Learner Driven Podcast, interviews her friend Nate Bray about their experiences with learner-driven education. Nate shares that he initially thought traditional school was the best option, but after seeing the limitations of public school during the pandemic, he and his wife decided to explore homeschooling. They were attracted to the learner-driven approach offered by Acton campuses and found that aligning their children's education with their interests and passions led to greater engagement and love for learning. Nate also discusses the growth and leadership development he has seen in his oldest daughter, who is a studio manager at Acton. Overall, they have found that giving children autonomy and purpose in their education leads to better outcomes. Hi, I'm Jackie, and I'm the host of the Learner Driven Podcast, where you will get to hear from learners, parents, and other micro-school owners who are following a learner-driven approach to education. Today, I have my friend, Nate Bray, with me. He is the host of the Level Up and Laugh Podcast, and he has two girls who are attending our school at the Academy Hampton Roads. Nate and I are also in the Apogee Strong Mentorship Program. He is in the men's, and I'm in the women's, and so I'm really looking forward to this conversation. So, Nate, first, I just want to say thank you so much for being on, and I'm just going to go ahead and let you get started with an introduction. Tell us a little bit more about yourself, your family, and what you have going on now. First of all, thank you for having me on. It's fantastic to see you in this way, but I mean, I guess if I were to describe myself, it would be I'm a husband and a dad first, and I probably wouldn't have always put that at the beginning, because usually when somebody asks you to tell you about themselves, it's like, this is my vocation, this is what I do for a living, this is how I earn my paycheck. But that's further down the line for me. So, father and husband with that first. I think if you start talking about vocation, I'm actually a sales director for a medical device company, and I actually just came out of a role before going this role where I was a manager of training. So, it was my job to educate the entire sales force on how to position these things and how to, you know, impact change and things of that nature. And so, it's funny to be here talking about education, because that was just my role for the last two years, but teaching adults. That's interesting. I didn't know that. So, what initially attracted you guys to this learner-driven approach to education? Man, I will tell you that I wish I could say that it was all my idea. Be like, I had a mission, I had a vision of how things could be and they could be better. And, you know, like, I saw the problem. But like everything else in my house, I think my wife saw the problem first. And so, when I think about somebody who, if I want to hear their story. And if you were born one or you were raised, you know, with one like religion and you lived your whole life in that one religion and you died that religion, I'm not so interested in hearing that story. If you were born into a, you know, somebody who was very politically on the left or the right and you stayed that way that entire life and you, you know, died that way, I'm less interested in that story. What I'm interested in is the story of the people who lived one way and then changed their mind and then do that. So, if I look back at that learner-driven education model, I've got to say that, like, at first I thought traditional school was the way to go. It's fine because it worked well for me. Like, I survived public school. I was able to go from, you know, work, you know, like, you know, I mean, I'd go into the whole public school system, graduated with honors, getting a scholarship, graduating in college with honors and I was fine. So, it's fine for everybody. But what happened is we had our kids in private school and they moved into public school and then COVID happened, which made everybody kind of reset how they saw everything from work, education to whatever. And so, you got to peek behind the curtain with these Zoom schools and what was really going on. And that's when my wife was like, I think there's probably a better way to do this. And so, ultimately, her idea was to do some type of homeschool. Some type of homeschool. We tried it out and ultimately we decided to settle on something where we saw the Acton campuses. We saw that type of learner-driven education. There was something really alluring to that. And so, to have that as kind of a supplement of at-home education, have them work together, really, really made sense to us. So, honestly, it was only being able, you know, you have to know something is broken or feel something is broken or see the brokenness firsthand before it's going to, you know, drive you to make some kind of change. There has to be a pain if you're going to change. And seeing that traditional educational route unfold was one thing that kind of drove us to look at something different. So, your girls are, they attend our school three days a week. And how do you guys balance that homeschooling and then going to Acton? Yeah, so, I think a big part of it is, and this is the part that I had to get on board with, again, because I'm like, like, this doesn't look like school and, oh, what's happening at home doesn't look like education either. Like, it looks like a lot of people are having vacation. But it's like, really, what you'd be able to see over the course of time is the fact that they are able to pour themselves into things that they're interested in. You're interested in opening a business? Let's run this route. You're interested in, you know, all of a sudden reading fiction instead of me throwing Shakespeare at you and you trying to learn to love reading, reading things you don't want to? If you could read anything on the planet, what would you read? And we had a daughter that took to reading very quickly. And it was like secondhand and she loved it immediately. We had another doctor, I mean, like another daughter that honestly wasn't in her wheelhouse. It wasn't quite as easy as she thought it would be. And what we've been able to see is as we align what we have at home with their interests, say something as little as reading. Like, we're not concerned with what grade level are you reading on. It's more about, like, are you reading things that you enjoy and you develop that love of reading? That's the meta skill. If you can develop that love of reading, that's fantastic. And here's a fun fact about the public school education. Are you ready for this? I'm ready. I'm ready. Are you ready for this? I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I somehow went through 12 years of public school education and four years of college, doing very well, by the way, and I never read a single book, cover to cover, outside of Green Eggs and Ham, because that counts, right? Until I was, like, two years out of college. I was able to go through. I never developed that love of reading, because I was forced to read things I wasn't interested in. So what I get to see on this side is as they're doing things at home that interest them, that align with these meta skills, and they're taking these things into Acton, and they can focus on things that they're interested in, they get to research things that they care about. They get to open a business that they like. Like, oh my gosh, the light comes on, and what's most important, that spark that's in your kid's eyes, that we beat out of them by sitting in a seat for eight hours and not moving, gets to come out a little bit. And that's something that I can't give myself credit for at all, because I was incredibly skeptical, but I'm able to see that unfold. Yeah, so I saw the same thing in my own children. So my boys, you know, my children were unschooled, and so there was never any force, right? Like, we expect you to read this or that. And I don't think they read until they were teenagers. And it was a Pathfinder book, this big, giant book, and that's kind of like Dungeons and Dragons. And, you know, they needed to read it to learn how to write their stories and create this game. And they're avid readers now, and I mean, they love to read. And it didn't happen until they were teenagers. Now, they learned to read very early, and they would read to learn information that they found useful. But as far as just picking up books and reading, they did not have any interest. So I'm happy to see that they're enjoying reading just for the sake of reading. So I also want to talk about your oldest real quickly, because she is actually in the studio right now running it for me so that we could be on this call. And I'm going to go head up there in a little bit. But I'd like to talk a little bit about just what the experience has been with her leadership. I mean, she's really just – I think she's going into her third, fourth year with us, and she's been a studio manager for, gosh, probably two years now. And really, when she's there, I don't need to be there. So when she comes home, is she telling you about kind of how that process is unfolding in the studio? Yeah, so the growth is really interesting with her that we've seen. And again, I wish I could take 100 percent of the credit, because it's because of her dad. Her dad's amazing. No, her mom's amazing, right? Her mom is interested in doing the hard thing even when it's not fun. And so there's a lot of little, like, investments in her there. But again, putting her in the position, because she's one of those people, her – I mean, like, her personality – we all know people like this – is if you tell them what to do and strong-arm them, you are in for a fight, which is going to be incredibly helpful for her later on in life. But it drives you nuts if somebody was like, just do what I say. That's it, right? But when you find that you loosen the grip a little bit and that you give her a sense of autonomy and purpose, say, this is the goal. I'm not too concerned with how you get to the goal, but this is the goal. What do you think? And loosen the reins a little bit. I've seen that in me. Like, if somebody forces me to do something against my will, I will do the minimum standard if I don't fight them, right? If I don't fight you, I'm going to do the minimum standard, and I'm going to get it done and get out of the way. But when they're like, this is the goal, how do you want to get to that goal, and they give me the autonomy to figure it out, you get somebody who is – can do it their own way, their own jam, and lean into their passions and lean into their gifts. And that's what I'm seeing with her. Like, I think the autonomy you get in these schools and the autonomy we give her at home gave her the opportunity to blossom into this leader. She still can be stubborn, but I think that's a – you know, that's both a blessing and a curse if leveraged and harnessed the right way. And so we don't want to dampen that spirit 100 percent. We don't need compliant robot soldiers going out into the world. We need somebody who's a free thinker. And I think giving her that space in both home and at your school has given her the opportunity to step into a leadership role that now she identifies with. And when you build an identity around something like leadership, that's when the whole world unlocks for you. Yeah, and one thing I've noticed that she's learning is that when she does come to the studio with that kind of strong-headed, right, personality, like, because she wants something done, right? And so she is like, I want this done, and I'm going to tell everybody this is the way it needs to be done. Well, she has found that that does not always get the response that she's looking for, right? So then she's having to, like, reflect, okay, let me calm down and figure out how I can lead them to do, you know, what I think is important in the studio because telling them, you know, this is the way is not always going to motivate anybody to do anything because like you and me, a lot of us don't like being told what to do or having orders bark at us. So she's definitely just come so far in her leadership capabilities. I appreciate that. So what impact do you think the learner-driven model has had, like, just on your family dynamics? And if you could go into a little bit about the things you guys do together and how you're kind of inspiring and leading your family. Yeah, so I'm going to, okay, I'm going to butcher a quote, but it's like I've almost perverted the quote and twisted it in my head to serve my own purposes, okay? But I heard it from, I think it was like maybe somebody affiliated with Acton, maybe the original owner, but the idea is that we oftentimes push our kids and love ourselves when we wish, I mean, it's like we should be doing the opposite. And so the idea of like, I'm going to put little Timmy in every AP course and have him in six extracurricular activities, and then I'm going to put him in four sporting, I mean, like sports that he may not be interested in, but I think it's good for his soul to do X, Y, and Z, and I push and I push and I load things on little Timmy's plate. And meanwhile, as Timmy's parent, I'm looking for a comfort at every turn. I'm afraid to take a step out with the business. I'm afraid to take a step out at work and ask for what I want. I'm afraid to push myself physically to the point of uncomfort to build a better me. I'm afraid to learn, or I'm resistant to learn new things that will grow me, right? And so how much of a hypocrite would I be if I'm like, you guys need to go, you can do anything you want to do in this world. Go do what you want to do in this world. Go crush it. And I'm sitting on the couch watching the game instead of playing a game, or I'm in the stands eating a hot dog while you're going out playing and all that stuff, and I'm critiquing your swing while I'm sitting on the bench. And so to me, it's like the idea of flipping that to be like, okay, how can you love your kids and push yourself? How can I push myself? How can I be the model? And I fail at this all the time. I try, but I fail, right? But it's like, how can I push myself out of my comfort zone, build a better version of me, and then push myself to the point where I'm like, you guys need to go, you can do anything you want to do with me physically, mentally, skills. How can I do hard things at work? How can I do hard things at home? How can I add to what I do? And let them come along on the journey and see that. And then love them really well, you know, if I want them to have a great marriage when they grow up, I could tell them when they get older, you need to do this, this, and this, and this to have a great marriage. But if I don't have a great marriage now, if I don't work on my marriage now, everything I can do, those words ring hollow and it means nothing. The whole, you know, more is caught than taught. So it's like, to me, the education at home, I hope I'm answering this question right, but it's like, if we can challenge ourselves as parents to push ourselves to our highest level and not take the easy way out every turn, not do serial killer podcasts all day and watch the Hallmark Channel every night, like, those two things don't cancel each other out. That's just wasting your time. I got a friend who does that. I give her a hard time about it. But it's like, how can you push yourself to that level and really hold yourself accountable and then love on them and put them in a position where they have some autonomy to create their own journey? And that's when, like, your words of encouragement, be anything you want to, do anything you want to, live your best life, your highest life, doesn't ring hollow anymore because they see you execute on that every day. Yeah, I mean, I think you're exactly right. And, you know, what's funny is I've been wanting to start this podcast for a very long time, and I have, you know, I've kind of been intimidated by the whole process of it. And so I was with our launch patterns in Virginia Beach a couple weeks ago, and one of the young men goes, you know, yeah, I'm thinking about starting a podcast, and I'm going to interview some of the learners. And I was like, cool. Like, three days later, he's like, I got our first episode up and ready, and it's on YouTube. And I was like, wait, what? You know, so, you know, I was like, you know, I really need to do this. But we're constantly trying to do things to set a good example, you know, for our learners. Like, they're going to run a race. So, like, we're doing it with them and training and, you know, just kind of like trying to lead by example as well in the studios. And I mean, our parents are the same way at home. And so, you know, we're all just working together and just showing our young people, right, like what being an adult, you know, looks like, and that we're still continuing our education, still continuing to learn, still continuing to push ourselves to get better every day. And so, yeah, it's really fun to be a part of that whole process. And they're pushing me. Just like, I feel like... I'm glad you said running, because, like, that's something else we do. We do Apogee races. And that's one of the most fun things. Spartan races. Like, OCR, running through the woods, doing hard things and being ridiculous. Like, who signs up for a 15-mile race in the middle of the Appalachians and lift heavy things and sweat in the middle of August? Like, who does that? That's dumb, right? But it's, like, one of those things where we do that stuff as a family. It's shorter for the kids, longer for the adults or whatever. But it's one of those things where if we value, if we're, like, if we identify as elite athletes and we're not walking that walk, we're not doing hard things and challenging ourselves. But that's something we do as a family. It's, to me, personally, one of the most fun things, I mean, like, things we do, we do four or five times a year. And it's one of those family trips. You're spending time together. You're doing something hard. You get to download, kind of, our experiences at the end. And I think it's one of those things that, you know, 15 years from now, we're going to look back at it and be like, that was a great time, right? Because we're capable of doing anything once you physically. Like, why not push yourself and do it as a family? Bring them alongside you. And that's where you get confidence. You get confidence from, like, I did something hard that I didn't think I could do and I completed it. And that's another level on a confidence scale. You just climb that up. And so, again, you try to do, you try to model what you are going to want them to do. Yeah, so my family, we started Jiu-Jitsu very early when my kids were very young and my daughter was just really shy. And she was like, will you do a class with me? And I was like, yeah, sure. Like, I'll go with you. She was just nervous. I didn't think I was going to stick with it. Anyway, we all ended up loving it, sticking with it. And there was a period of about three or four years where we were competing together as a family and there was just nothing cooler. You know, there's like this one, there was this one tournament where, you know, all five of us won a gold medal, you know, and it was just cool to, like, you know, be there alongside them participating and, you know, cheering each other on, working together. And definitely a cool, probably one of the coolest experiences, parenting experiences I've ever had. But Kaylee was actually... Like, Jiu-Jitsu is hard, too. That's difficult work. Like, that's the only reason why I'm nice to people smaller than me is, like, Jiu-Jitsu. That's the only reason. Like, if somebody runs into me in the street and they're, like, this tall and I'm this tall and I look at their ear and it's, like, all cauliflowered up like this, I'm like, bro, I'm going to buy you a beer. This is good, right? Because I know he's going to fold me up, like, and I'm on the ground. So it's like, it's really, you know, I mean, like, seeing that unfold and how that's exploded within the US is, like, wow. I mean, that's impressive. I'm actually intrigued in taking that on. So one day, we'll see. I'll be on a mat somewhere getting folded up. But it was actually Kaylee who brought up in the studio that we should all do a Spartan race together. And so we're all doing that in the studio. I think we've got parents signed up to do it. We've got learners signed up. We're traveling. And yeah, so everybody's just, like, the learners are coming in every day, you know, talking about what they did the night before to trade or trading, you know, during the day. And actually, Kaylee's taking the lead on that as well and pushing them to get stronger. And the Spartan races are fun. I haven't done one yet, but I'm super excited. So that's my girl. That's her happy space. So if you look at, like, your kids and how they're built so differently, like Mia, my younger one, is like my mini me. Everything is fun. Everything is interactive. She connects to other people. But Kaylee has, like, the physical intelligence of my wife. Like, just natural, I mean, she's a natural athlete. Things come very easily. She gets a lot of confidence in doing things. You know, like, we'll go to the beach and they have this, like, big gymnastic setup out on the beach. And you'll see adults fail on the rope or do the rings or whatever. And she jumps up and whips up it and gets everybody's attention. It just is, like, so funny to see that spark stay alive with her when she's doing something that's, like, in her wheelhouse. And that's absolutely one of them. So I also want to talk about the Apogee program. So this is a program you and I are both in. I think your girls are in it, right? They're still in it. Yeah, when they open up, I mean, we haven't done anything for the young ladies yet. But I think it's coming later on this year. But when they do, absolutely. But you guys are also part of the home education program. I know the girls had some stuff going on for Apogee as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Amy's on the Educating Modern Day Heroes team or that group. And I'm in the Apogee men's one. And you're in the Apogee ladies. What? Oh, yeah, class one for the women. Class one. OGs, for sure. So tell us a little bit about your experience with that program and how it's kind of played into your family dynamics. Yeah, so the Apogee program has been really interesting because I didn't really know much about it going in. Again, it's one of those where it's like, I wish I could say it was my idea. I'm like, this is great. My wife saw it. And she knew they were opening up a men's one. She's like, you should check this out. I think this is right up your alley. And so I looked into it. Took about 30 seconds to realize, oh, schmack, this is my people. Let me connect with this. And so what's really interesting is that it's a great group of men who are all doing hard things to push themselves out of their comfort zone. And that's invaluable. You're going to do things like you never thought to do. And you're going to take a month and develop your role as father, develop your role in your physique, in your fitness, in your finances. You're going to take a month and really hone in to be the best father, best husband. Every role you have, you're going to upgrade month by month by month. And it's fantastic. But you also get to see this really interesting dynamic where everybody says they want to get better. Everybody says they want to improve. And they sign up for this thing. And then you see the different levels of engagement when you come in. You have the killers that are doing everything at an incredibly high level. And then you have people who are kind of, sort of doing it at a lower level and not really push themselves. So it's really great for life. Life will throw challenges at you. And you can do the minimum level or you can use every single challenge to level up your game. And this gives a really good opportunity to not only link it with people similar to you who say they want to get better. But then you also get to challenge yourself to do things at the highest level they can. And it's been really fun to get to know this group. I'm not natural, like I don't naturally connect with other men at a very high level. It sounds really weird. I've always had a lot of girlfriends and whatever. Like I can get along with guys. I can play a sport or whatever. It's fine. But it's like this has been a group of men that I was able to connect with at a really interesting level to level up that aspect of what I do. To connect with men in a way that I haven't really had the opportunity to do in the past. And so to me it's been really invaluable. I've signed up for year two. That's gotten even harder but better. And so what's been your experience so far? Oh man, it's been great. I love the, like you said, the women that I'm connecting with and that are a part of the program are trying to get better. They're taking on really hard challenges and pushing themselves to get better in areas of parenting and the relationships with their friends, spouses, co-workers. The, you know, taking that responsibility over your health and fitness has been huge. You know, it's just nice to have that accountability too, right? Other people who are also trying to improve their diet and, you know, their relationships with, you know, their friends. And yeah, it's been wonderful. And I'm definitely going to stick with it going into year two. But yeah, I've gotten so much out of it. And, you know, we're, it's not like you have to do this or that. Like they're not telling us what to do but we're deciding, like we decided on a chief definite aim, right? Like what's our overarching, like what do we all want to get better at at the end of a year? And then we're just holding each other accountable. Everybody's on a different path and we're just there to support one another. And it's been great. That's awesome. Yeah, it sounds great. It sounds like something that, especially to be a part of that first partner group. I was part of the first pioneer group for the men. You're part of the first pioneer group for the women. And you don't know what you're, I mean, like really getting yourself into. And there's kinks and there's bumps and there's things that don't work according to plan and things that take longer to develop than you think maybe would then or than you initially thought they would. But it's all part of the process. And as long as you're getting better along the way and that you're able to, again, pour into the lives of other people, not only take but be able to give in this group more than you take. It's an incredible component as well. Oh, yeah, for sure. So, what advice would you give to parents who are considering a different approach to education for their children? They see public school isn't working or traditional school, I should say, because private school a lot of the time is just like public school. But do you have any advice for parents listening who might be interested? Yeah. So, some advice that I would give, I think about my own journey through school and it was fine. Like, school was fine. I went through school, went through college, and I was fine. But really when it came down to it, I wasn't fine because by the time I was like, say, 30, I was, I had a negative net worth. I was about 50 pounds heavier than I am right now. Nobody handed me a $100,000 job offer. Nobody handed me a $100,000 job opportunity when I got through and got my college degree. And it wasn't until around 30, I had that little quarter life crisis or, you know, whatever that you have when you're like, oh, my gosh, at 30, I'm not where I want to be, that that light cut on. I'm like, I need to be responsible for what I want to do. And so, then I look at my growth doing that, like, okay, where am I going to take myself in just a few years with my physical body, with my finances, with my career? Like, all this stuff is taken off. But it wasn't until I started to educate myself and pour into myself and choose your own adventure, have some autonomy and some ownership in what you do, that really that took off. We all know people who have six different doctorate degrees and are folding sweaters at the Gap. No shade of the Gap. You guys make great chinos, right? But it's like, that's not really what I would be. And then we know people who were like, you know, dropped out of college and went to found some company and did that, right? So, it's like one of those where when you go back to what I would tell parents is like, when you see people's light cut on and grab some ownership of their own experience, you see people operate a whole nother level. Now, you can have that happen in your mid-20s or 30s where it happened for me, or you can kind of shortcut that a little bit and give them that autonomy and that freedom to discover what they have early on. And I will tell you this, I see friends who are like, ooh, my second grader is not reading on level. So, I brought in three or four tutors and like the kid's not having fun and the mom and dad are stressed about not being at a certain level at a certain time in like development. But you see the spark in their kid's eyes go down and go out. And that is something I didn't see early on, but I see in front very smart, successful people with amazing families, right? Great, great, great. But the thing that's missing is the spark that goes out when you are following somebody else's path for your life and not listening to your own genius and following your own path. And so, if you can align yourself and make it happen where you can have a learner-driven life and maintain the spark in your kid's eyes and pour into their genius, honestly, I don't know where my kids are going to be. It's still a trust fall. I don't know what happens. I don't know if they're living with me until they're 35. I've got no clue how this turns out. That's true. But I know what I've seen. The further I go down this process, the more I'm a believer. And again, I don't want to know about somebody who's never changed their mind. Give me the story of somebody who was skeptical but did it anyway because their wife was usually right. Don't tell her. If she's listening to this, don't tell my wife that she's usually right, okay? Because I can't have her have that leverage, okay? But in many cases, I'm looking for easy. She's looking for right. And I've been able to see it unfold along the way. And I've become a believer. So I would say, you know, your kids aren't going to break in public school. They're not going to wither away. But it's like, are they living optimally? What is fine? What does your life look like? And that's what I would say. Go out on a limb, take a risk. Very few things can't be undone. I was an idiot until it was about two weeks ago, right? And so, you know, there's, I mean, like, there's always time. But again, give them the autonomy to make those choices and to guide their own way. And you'll see what happens. I love that. Well, do you have any recommendations for us? Where can people find you? Tell us a little bit about your podcast and so we can have them go subscribe. Yeah. Yeah, everything that I do and what I'm launching. And again, like you mentioned, doing this first podcast and the amount of resistance you have to overcome when you're going to do something important, because you'll rationalize why you can't do it this week, this month, this year, and it goes on and on and on. But you took that step out and you did it. So I'm doing the same thing. I, you know, the best way to find me is Nate Bright Official on, like, YouTube. There's another Nate Bright, who's a great artist, and I'm jealous of him, honestly. But it's one of those things where I'm going to be pouring into that. I mean, I mean, like that Avenue once a week drop and stuff. And this is my brand. Like, I am really big on personal development and making the best version of yourself. But I'm not willing to sacrifice the fun and the joy in order to do that. So can you build the better version of you and have a ball along the way? You absolutely can, because I've done it. And so the things that I put out, the, like, Love, Help, and Learn podcast. Yeah, we're going to learn personal development. You're going to need some tips, tricks, and tools in order to do that. But we're going to have so much fun along the way. And any kind of, you know, like, I'll do some seminars and some courses or whatever. My main question is, what does this look like if it was fun? So follow me on Nate Bright Official and you'll get a little bit of that. And there'll be more to come as far as that goes. But, you know, I definitely appreciate hopping on. Oh, thank you so much for coming. I really appreciate you being my first official interview. And good luck. So, so far, Jackie, would you say that I was your best interview so far? Oh, hands down. Like, your best. For sure. I get that all the time. It's crazy. Especially when I'm the first one. I'm usually the best. There's a lesson for life. Always go first, because you could be the best right away if you're first. Yeah, you're number one. Or I think it was Ricky Bobby who was like, if you're not first, you're last. You're going to be our number one podcast right now. Woo! Like, the most listens, the most downloads. It has three downloads. And they're like, that's the number one. It's going on the LinkedIn resume. And that's what it is. All right. Well, enjoy the rest of your day. I will see you later. All right, see you guys later. Bye.