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The conversation revolves around assigning responsibility for the chaos and mental issues in a family, particularly focusing on a 13-year-old girl's behavior. The speaker questions if the father is solely to blame, highlighting the mother's role and the lengthy history of issues. The discussion also touches on the father's actions, the children's experiences witnessing conflicts, and the father giving his daughter a separate phone. The speaker emphasizes that the problems didn't suddenly arise and suggests shared parental accountability. They stress the need to prove the father's direct causation of harm and question the evidence presented. Other than anything else that they have together caused, or what she may have caused, how is him that's caused all this chaos and created some mental injury, which really hasn't been proven. What's a mental injury? Is there a diagnosis that you've established for any of these children? I mean, she said Skyler's depressed from the incident, from what happened. She's been in therapy all summer, in an outpatient program of therapy, all summer long. Well, A for nicotine withdrawal, which is... Is that his fault? Do you have nicotine in your house? No, that's not the question. Sure. I'm talking about what the evidence is. Sure. The evidence, I mean... This is why I started with that. Yes. And asked who your witnesses were going to be and how you were going to prove all this. And I apply the rules of evidence to the best of my ability. And so, I can only make decisions based on evidence. Do I think that a lot of things may have happened that I didn't hear about? Absolutely. But I can only base my decision on what the parties present to me in evidence. I don't have any evidence that he has anything to do with this child using nicotine products. None. I don't have any evidence that he has anything to do... If she was smoking marijuana, he says she was. I don't have any evidence how that came about. If she was sexting, and he says she was, and that came in without objection... Is that evidence responsible for that? Did he quote that? There's no evidence of that. Again, if what he says is true. I don't know what he says is actually true in this case. Did she send nude pictures to adult men? He says she did. That wasn't really rebutted in any way, except she said, I don't know anything about it. But she's only been checking her phone since today. Since she's been there. She put the app up. Thank goodness she's done that. Hopefully that's helping this problem. I find some bright lining here. If that app is helping with that, it's the greatest app I've heard of in a long time. It exists. I know about it. But I have to ask the questions to get the information. I'm glad that happened. But before that, the child was with her just as much. This didn't just happen overnight. It didn't just begin in December. He took her to whatever this club is. I'm going to use that phrase cautiously. I don't know. It wasn't some soccer place. No matter what he said. This is a nightclub, clearly. But be that as it may, it didn't just begin in December. It began when they both had equal custody of this child. It's been going on longer than that. Why is he the only one responsible for it? Why isn't she just as responsible for it? Why did we wait until May to put an app on a club? He didn't do it. He should have. She didn't do it. Maybe she didn't know about it until the therapist told her. That's possible. Again, I'm not criticizing her. But I can only make a decision on the evidence that I have. I'm not convinced that he's responsible for this. She may be traumatized. She may have something that necessitates her being in therapy. But what you told me is she's in therapy. What the evidence tells me is she's in therapy for nicotine use. And depression. And depression. But children often are depressed when their parents are going through this kind of chaos with each other. That's not surprising. Again, why does he only be the one that's responsible for this? They're in this situation together. There's chaos. And I have to be satisfied that he's the one that caused this. And that's what's missing here. She's got some issues. She's got some problems. No doubt about it. Again, as I said before, even if I take half of what he said as being true, she's got problems. A 13-year-old, she's matured way beyond her years. She looks much older from what I saw than a 13-year-old child. She does look, as somebody said, like a 22-year-old. Easily. And she's being exposed to adult things. Not 13-year-old things. I've got a grandchild at that age. Trust me, she's not exposed to that kind of thing. Thank God. Hopefully, she won't be. To dump this all on him is not where this goes. Again, I don't think he's parent of the year by any stretch of the imagination. I don't know enough about the petitioner to draw any conclusions. I don't have anything negative to say about her. But you still have to prove that he caused this. What evidence do I have that he caused a physical or mental injury? He should be shot. How about the youngest one, Jason? He's a three-and-a-half-year-old. What mental injury did he cause to that child? There is nothing. Benjamin, who's five. He started five in May. No, no, no. He's much older. He's 12. That's the 12th. Or not the oldest, the 15-year-old. Sorry. I've got his date of birth. Maybe I've got his date of birth wrong. May 12, 2020. Is that Benjamin? It's not 20. 10. 2010. It's a typo here. I noticed. OK. So, is his 20th and his 15-year-old? Yes. OK. And Matthew, then, is 12. OK. And then, Skylar is the oldest, and she's 13-and-a-half, it looks like. Right? Yes. OK. So, what happened to Matthew? What mental injury has Matthew experienced? Matthew, the 12-year-old, was the one who had his father tell him to record at her house. He called his name. Terrible name. He called his name. Terrible name. He said he was incredibly angry at him. Right. To answer the next question, we also said... What about the other child, then? The oldest? No, that's Skylar. No, no, no. Skylar's the... Sorry. Skylar's number two. OK. You're right. The... Benjamin. Benjamin. What's the mental injury that Benjamin had? That's the one where he witnessed Dad screaming at Mom and calling her name. And Skylar looked like he just walked out the door at 10 p.m. and walked two miles up Rockville Pike. Was the mother involved in... No. She just got called to pick me up at the high school. I left Dad. And then she testified about Dad going to therapy, just says, I'm not dealing with this. I'm not doing any of this. And Benjamin woke up. She testified about this incident that happened at the classroom. About he just... He witnessed this. He witnessed Dad then trying to get the violent calls 911 report. And he left. And excuse your accent. Unfortunately, that happens far too frequently. I don't think that that's sufficient to show a mental injury. In terms of his texting, it wasn't on her phone. We have testimony in that he gave Skylar her own phone. That's what she's texting on. Texting on. Like the phone he gave her. How... I don't know when that was. Me neither. I don't have that phone that he gave her that Mom didn't have access to. But in the text messages with Skylar that I put into Evan. One of the exhibits, 23 or 24. Where he says, don't text me on the phone Mom has. You have her own phone. When he says she's texting, it's not on the phone Mom gave her. It doesn't matter. Sure, but you're asking about mental injury. I'm trying to give you this message of she has a phone that he gave her separate. And he's not checking it. He's giving her this access. I understand she's supposed to be sure. But it doesn't... Like the injury is that he's giving her the ability to do this. Everything you're telling me, though, is that this all sort of started in December 22nd. 22nd, 2024. It didn't just all of a sudden that Skylar became out of control. Right? That went on before this. From looking at those photographs and seeing what she looked like at that age. This wasn't just all of a sudden she went crazy in December of 2024. This was going on before when she was still equally with Mom. This... Both parents are responsible for their children. All I can do is find abuse if he caused something himself. And what I'm saying is I think the child was out of control long before December 2024. It just all of a sudden didn't happen. He takes her to a nice club and she goes nuts. And now all of a sudden she's out of control. That's not what happened here from what I could tell. It had to have happened before this. People... Children don't just all of a sudden one day decide they're going to smoke. They're going to sell drugs. They're going to go to nice clubs. They're going to do all these things. They're going to... Again, if this is true, they're going to sex other people. Adult men. They're going to send you photographs. They're going to sell drugs.