The Pod: Chicanx/Latinx Edition

Hello, everybody. My name is Stephanie, if you don't remember. But yeah, so this is part five, I believe. And today we're going to be reviewing ChicanxPod, also known as Chilac, which is just Chicanx slash Latinx. And yeah, so if you want to introduce yourself. Hello, everyone. My name is Ninive. I am one of three community coordinators for the Chicanx Latinx community here at the Cross Cultural Center. I am currently a fifth year studying international relations and Chicanx studies with a minor in human rights. And this is my second year working as a scholar for the Cross Cultural Center. Okay, nice. Also, I forgot to mention, just in case you haven't listened to any of the podcasts before, it's called the pod because we're broken into pods within the Cross Cultural Center. So each pod represents a different diaspora. So this is the Chicanx diaspora. I personally am not in a cultural diaspora. I'm in the admin pod. So just kind of like administration backwards, behind the scenes work. Anyways, okay, so two icebreakers. First one's a little bit more fun, but would you rather speak every language in the world, aka be able to speak to everybody, or be able to speak to animals? I think as much as I love animals, and I think it could be cool to talk to them. I'm definitely a big like language person. I got the chance to like study French. Oh, cool. Starting in like middle school. And so I feel like I'm always thinking about like the next language that I want to tackle. So I feel like I'd probably lean more towards the speak every language. Okay. Would you say you're fluent in French? I will say it's been a bit since I've used it and like taken classes, but I'd say like my comprehension is still like decent, but my fluency has probably gone down a little. Okay. What did you do? Because you took classes. If somebody were to learn a new language, what would you recommend? Duolingo, TV shows, classes? Yeah. Actually, it's funny because I remember the summer before I started taking classes, I was like, oh, I'm going to go on Duolingo and I'm going to show up to class and like I'm already know everything. Like, you know, it's going to be like easy breezy. And Duolingo for me at least didn't work. I did not understand. Like it doesn't really explain like grammar or like why verb tenses like change. So I was like very confused. I was like, this doesn't make sense. So I was actually very nervous going into French class, but I found that the structure of it actually really helped me a lot to like keep progressing. So it might depend on the person, but I definitely feel like if you don't really know much about the language, maybe taking a class would help get a better understanding. Okay. Nice. Yeah. Also, it also depends. Duolingo doesn't have the most languages. And with Spanish, they have Spain Spanish, which is different than Mexican Spanish and Argentinian Spanish. But also Spain Spanish is what is taught in curriculums in high school. Yeah. I think definitely they should be aiming to expand because the dialects are different, you know, types of ways of speaking. A language can vary depending on where you're from. Yeah, definitely. Okay, so this one's a little bit more deep. But do you think it is important to conform to society slash your culture's expectations? Um, I would say no. I feel like, obviously, it depends, I guess, like person to person on what, like, we value, but I feel like it's very important to learn who we are and take the time to understand, like, our own goals, like what we see for ourselves, which sometimes can be very different from like what society expects from us or even like our families or like communities. Yeah. I know it can be like, challenging, especially if like your family isn't as like open about those things. But I feel like, I don't know, we kind of owe it to ourselves to figure that out for. No, I definitely agree in the sense of like, do what you want to do. Like, don't do anything that's not going to make you happy in that sense. I will say I took a class, I don't know what the formal name is. It's known more widely as Indian Spices. And she actually did the henna at the light festival. But so she, like one of her classes, we went over myths. And one of the myths in India was arranged marriages. And she was like, that's not a thing. Like, that's not common in common India. And there she was talking about what is common is for people to take their spouse or their partner at a time and introduce them to their family, get their family's approval. So it's more about getting the family's approval. Because in that sense, they're becoming part of the family. So they and the way that she expressed it was, the family should get a say in who's entering the family. What would you like to comment on that? Um, I mean, I feel like, obviously, like having, like, I feel like when you have your family, like supporting you, that's, I feel like, I don't know, like, I feel like it's more challenging when you don't have that. And I know that, like, like, for some people, like, it can be very challenging to look past that. Um, and so I definitely see like the benefit of like, kind of, like you said, like, you're introducing them because they're part of the family, like, this is someone who's going to be around for a while, hopefully, you know. Um, so I definitely think it's important. And like, I do think like having, like, what's it called? Like, we don't live in isolation, right? So it's like, we are still going to have, like our community around us and stuff like that. So I do think it's like important to kind of, like, obviously, within reason, you know, kind of, what's it called? See their reactions, see their opinions. Yeah, like, you know, like, like, I can understand, like, wanting that approval. And like, you know, even like when if it's your friends, you know, like, hey, like, what do you what do you think about like this person, right? Um, I just think it's like, also important for you to kind of have those like, core values or core understanding of like who you are so that you can like, determine or like gauge like, okay, like, I'm getting this feedback. Is it like, going against my, you know, like, core of who I am? Or is it like, maybe, like, kind of discerning, learning to discern for yourself? Like, is this, like, accurate? Does it reflect the life that I want for myself? And then going from there? Yeah, it's also very different. People have very different families. And this is kind of under my understanding, under the assumption that your family does want what's best for you. And it's not necessarily the case for everybody. So it depends. Yeah. Anyways, okay. So I don't know if you know much of the history of this. Um, but so what is the difference between Hispanic versus Chicanx versus Latinx? Um, I would say like, my understanding was always that, um, like, the way I think of it is like Hispanics more like referring to the language. Yeah. So like Spanish, right. So for me, like when I think of like, being like, you know, people who are Hispanic, like that can include people from like Spain, basically any country that speaks Spanish, like would be mostly considered to be part of that. Um, if we're just talking about like, language rights, right? Yes. Um, I know, like, that wouldn't necessarily, like, include like, countries like Brazil, or, you know, other South American countries that have like, English or French as like, their primary language, which is like what I personally don't always like, using that word just because I'm like, Oh, I feel like if we're talking about like, Latin America, or like, yeah, like that, like, I feel like you're kind of excluding a portion of people. But um, I also know that like, when I was growing up, like, I didn't really know much about that. Like, I feel like I didn't learn about that till like, like, probably, or started thinking about it more till I was like, probably early college years. Yeah. Um, so yeah, and then I guess, like, my understanding of Chicanx, um, but I know a lot of people like, identify, or it's like more of an identity for them, right? They're like, Oh, coming from like, being like, your parents, your grandparents, or someone at some point in your family, like, immigrated to like, the United States, and you don't know because you're like, first, second generation, third generation, etc. Um, like, I know a lot of people that are like, Oh, like, I'm Chicanx. To my understanding, Chicanx is a relatively new term, right? I Yeah, I feel like it probably came about more due to like, the Chicano movement in like, the 60s and 70s. Um, but what's it called? But I feel like at least for me, because growing up, I never considered myself to be that, I guess. Yeah. My dad was very big on like, you know, you're not that you're you're Mexican. Yeah. Um, are you? Are you like, both your parents are from Mexico? Um, my, like, both my parents grew up in Mexico, in Guadalajara, to be exact, in Jalisco. But it's funny, because both sides of like, my family, I guess, kind of like, migrated there. So like, my dad's side is actually from Coahuila, which is like more in the north. Yeah. And these are all states within Mexico, right? Yes. And then my on my mom's side, her dad is from Zacatecas, which is another state. And then my mom's mom so my grandma. She's from El Salvador. So yeah, so basically, like, long story, but you know, my both my parents met in Guadalajara like, grew up there. And then, you know, basically, we moved over here. And then that's how I'm here. Yeah. So you're a little bit Salvadorian, too. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Um, but sorry, kind of, what I was gonna say is that I feel like coming to college kind of really changed that for me. Because, again, like, I never really identified as that. But I think through taking CHI courses, I feel like I learned that it could also be a political identity. Yeah. So kind of like, if you're stating that you're Dutenex, you know, it can mean that you're intentionally working towards like decolonizing yourself. So it can mean a lot of different things. And then obviously, like, Latinx is like more like, if you're from Latino America. But I know that, like, there's also been some criticisms of that, because they're like, oh, like, I know, it's like a lot of people will say, like, when they're from certain countries, they're like, oh, I'm not like, like Latino or whatever, like, I'm from X country. Yeah. Also, like saying, I'm not Latinx, I'm Mexican. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that goes more towards like the people who, like, live in those countries, because I think the critique is that it's like, us up here who are living in the diaspora sometimes make these terms, but it's like, people already have identities that they feel strongly tied to. And so it can be, it can be a whole mess. I feel like I've seen people who you can identify as like, a mix of any of the three, but yeah. It's very true, because the word Latinx is to like, be more inclusive. But nobody uses the word X or the letter X. So in like, when you're saying it in Spanish, it's very not cohesive, I guess. And there's the version Latine with an E instead, which I feel like I don't hear as often. Yeah, I, I do think that one is like the newest iteration of like people being like, well, like you said, we can't be using the X if it doesn't really exist in the language already. But yeah, I feel like only very, probably specific people or like parts of the population maybe use that because they're, again, it's newer. So it's like, you know, not really, probably like, I think people are more, more familiar with like, the X. Okay, so Hispanic is to for Spanish speaking places, Latinx is for Latin America, and then Chicanx is more of like that American, you're going in America, but you're from a kind of Hispanic Latin country and getting like that kind of combination. All right. So what is your favorite part about your culture? Um, I have to say, well, for me, like music is a very big thing. So probably Salvadorian or Mexican music? Um, a mix of both. I feel like, um, like when I think about like my, my grandma, um, a lot of like cumbias, like, very, like, lively, upbeat, like it always gets me in a good mood, makes me want to dance. And this, this is also true for like, I guess like Mexican music, but I feel like, um, at least for Mexican music, I, I think of it as more of like a variety. So like, I grew up listening to a lot of like, Roca en Español, because like my dad was like a big fan of that. So I think it's just, um, what's it called? I think there's a lot more, like my brain just goes to like more variety when it comes to that. Um, and yeah, and then of course, like, I would say like the food, like, I just, I just think it's crazy, like how much you can just do with like, very simple, but like, like incredible ingredients, you know, like maíz. Like, I personally love, like, I use like tomatoes, onions, and like that for everything. Like even like for breakfast, I feel like you can do so many things just with like those few ingredients. Um, and it always feels like so comforting. So yeah, definitely love the music and the food. I feel like, um, it's always like, I don't know, it's always good. Like, I can't, I can't ever like think of a time where I was like, oh, like this didn't hit. Like, no, it always, yeah. Nice. Okay. And then, so you're part of the chi/lac pod, right? They host a signature event. What signature event is it? Yeah. So our pod is in charge of La Gran Tardeada, um, which if y'all don't know, is coming up, uh, next week on Saturday, May 16th. And this year we actually were able to extend the time. So it's going to be from 1 to 8 p.m. Um, as always on the UC Davis East Quad. Um, so the side closest to like, like if you're going to Dutton Hall or North Hall. Yeah. But yeah, super, super excited. This year, the theme is La Unión es la Fuerza. Sorry. La Unión es la Fuerza. So the union is the force. Yeah. Essentially. Yeah. Um, we talked a lot in our committee of like, what type of imagery we wanted to see represented. And I think especially given everything that's been happening, I mean, for decades, right. But like, especially in this past year, um, I think a lot of people really wanted to see something that reflected like unity and, um, like coming together and how like that makes us stronger. Um, so I don't know if y'all have seen the poster. Y'all should check it out. Um, so anyone, anyone, all, everyone is welcome. Welcome. Um, it's free. So, you know, you can come see live music, um, performances, um, stuff like that for free. We're going to have a mechanical board that will also be free. Um, the only thing you would have to pay for is like, if, you know, if you see things from a vendor, you know, you obviously have to purchase those, but, um, this year we're also going to have a community gallery and then we actually are also going to have Braids Not Raids, um, be a vendor as well. So y'all can come and get your hair braided. So Braids Not Raids, it's a vendor, so you do have to get, you have to pay, or? Um, we're actually, we're in the process of figuring that out, but, um, I think what's special about Braids Not Raids is that, I mean, obviously it's really cool to go get your hair braided, but basically their work is, they're trying to get donations to be able to donate to organizations like NorCal Resist, um, and other orgs that are supporting anti-ICE efforts. So, you know, it's like, we're trying to figure it out because obviously we want to make it more accessible, but also keeping in mind that the goal is to, you know, raise funds for the communities that have been most impacted. Okay. And then what is your favorite, or what are you most excited about? Um, I'd have to say probably like, I'm really excited about having Braids Not Raids. Um, also really excited for the community gallery and just being able to showcase, like, local artists. Um, a lot of it is going to be featuring work from, because I took a screen printing class last quarter, and my classmates were very gracious enough to donate, um, a lot of their prints to me to be featured, and so I think, I'm just really excited to see like, um, like the voices of students reflected in the gallery and kind of, you know, showing like, a lot of what was on our minds last quarter and how we're trying to navigate, like, using our voice for our community. Okay, nice. I like that. Are you going to have any art up there? Perhaps. I do want to try not to just, you know, be showing my prints, but, you know, probably at least, at least one up there. Do you like to do art? Like, draw, paint, other variations? Yeah, um, I will say I never, I was never like, a big drawer, or I feel like I always struggled with like, coming up with like, paintings or like, original drawings and stuff, but, um, definitely always been very like, creative. Like, I make earrings, um, I like crochet, I like, I learned to knit when I was younger, like stuff like that. Um, so I feel like I've always been very drawn to like, creative outlets, and so I actually, I feel like the class actually helped, I guess, strengthen my confidence in drawing and stuff like that, because you have to sketch it out, you know, and then you go through the whole process, but definitely trying to always branch out and like, discover new mediums, but yes, I would consider myself to be very creative. Okay, cool. And you also took the screen printing, you made it an event, right? And also Braids Not Rids as well, right? Or was that Mariana? It was Mariana, but I helped a little bit, just with like, some of the slides, but yeah, it was mostly Mariana from PEACE Pod. Shout out to her. But yeah, yeah, we did a program early this quarter, which was really cool. We actually, both of us learned how to do linocut printing as a result of that. Basically, you use tools to like, create, you carve out like a linoleum block, almost like a rubber. Like a stamp type vibe? Yeah, so that was cool. We had never done that before, but we kind of were like, you know what, let's go for it. And they came out really well, like, I have some actually up on my wall, in my apartment. Stephanie was having a lot of fun, which I'm glad. I was the first one there. And I'm glad that- Or the first one, painting. Everyone was looking at the presentation, I was outside. Yeah. Continue. No, yeah. Thank you, I appreciate it. I feel like, it was definitely, again, I feel like a lot of it started with like, the fact that we had both taken a screen printing class here on campus, and it was really cool. You and Mariana, right? Yeah, just basically trying to, again, like, make printmaking more accessible to students and also encouraging them to take the classes, like, a lot of times you don't get chances like these, like, outside of school, so, you know, had to rep it a little. Yeah. Cool. And then, so you're a Chicanx major, right? Or is it Latinx, but what's the proper title of it? It's Chicanx Studies. Okay, okay. What do you think is the most interesting thing that you learned? I feel like, obviously there's been a lot of, like, classes that have really impacted me, but I feel like one of the most valuable, I guess, skills that I've learned as a result of, like, taking part in those classes is, like, learning to really analyze, like, my thinking and where it comes from. Yeah. Because I feel like a lot of the classes often talk about, like, common beliefs or, like, I guess rhetoric that you hear in our communities, and I feel like it's always important to examine ourselves and, like, okay, like, why do I think this way? Why am I perpetuating, perhaps, like, a harmful pattern and stuff like that, you know? Because, unfortunately, a lot of things in our community do come from, like, colonialism and, like, colorism and all these types of, you know, not great things, and so I feel like one of the things that I really enjoyed was kind of getting a better, like, historical understanding and then kind of being like, okay, like, in what ways am I contributing, perhaps, to, like, cycles of, like, violence, like, even, like, within my community, you know, because our words have a very big impact, and in order to be a community member, you have to be, you know, very aware of, like, the space you take up and that, you know, hopefully the words and, like, thoughts that you're using, like, aren't, you know, creating more harm. Which is very true. I think that's very universal in the sense of, like, even if you go with, like, parenting styles, you want to be a better parent that your parent was, and then so on and so forth, so you don't want to, like, get rid of any of the toxic traits that your parents might have inherited from their parents, and then you'll do that, and then, so yeah. Yeah. So, I guess, to sum it up, it would be very much, like, decolonizing my mind, I think, has been the most important thing that I've been exposed to, and then it's obviously, like, a process, but, like you said, it's, you know, always trying to go forward a little bit better than we used to be or, you know, even generations before us. Yeah. What about in terms of history? I'd say something that, I mean, it's, like I say, it surprises me, but it also doesn't. It's just, like, been learning how deeply, like, racism and, like, sexism and all these things, like, have been ingrained into, like, not just the history of this country, but I'd say especially the laws. I feel like that was something that, like, kind of blew my mind the first time, because I was just like, wow, like, it's so deeply rooted in that, you know? Yeah. Which, legally, I don't know if it's, I believe it might just be Mexicans, but they're legally classified as white, right? Because of the Treaty of Hidalgo, I think? Yeah, yeah. I think, like, and I get, like, it's... But, like, obviously they're not. Yeah. Yeah. It's a whole thing, but I feel like it's always, like, I feel like it really, like, when, you know, people say, like, oh, it's, like, the system wasn't set up for us, like, sometimes you really, like, it isn't until you learn those histories that you're just, like, wow, like, not only was it not set up for us, but it was set up, like, against a lot of people of color, you know? Yeah. And so I feel like that is always, like, oh, it's, like, obviously requires a lot more deep, like, uprooting of all those things, but I feel like that was something that I remember just being conscious of and being, like, wow, like, I can't believe that they would do this to people. Yeah. You know? Do you have any specific thing that you have in mind? Or just, like, a broad? I'd say definitely, like, one of the things that really stuck out to me was, like, when they, oh, my God, what's it called, like, sterilized, I believe it was, like, a lot of, like, Puerto Rican women. Oh. But that's also, like, I feel like a thing that's happened a lot in general, just even, like, seeing, you know, like, obviously, like, how they would take advantage of people who, like, were going in and already, you know, probably not the most comfortable experience because, like, you know, maybe you and the doctor don't speak the same language and that's already not comfortable when you're in a different country and just seeing how, like, that trust gets taken advantage of because someone doesn't believe that you should have the choice to, like, you know, have children or, like, to continue, you know, building your family. Just things like that or even, like, when you learn about how many communities they've, like, you know, bulldozed over because they're trying to build, like, a stadium, like, the Dodger Stadium or, like, even other communities that have, like, been burned down just because, you know, people didn't believe that they were people and that they had, like, the right to live their lives and to build things for themselves. And so I feel like it always is just, like, wow. Like, I always think about, like, what level of, like, hatred do these people have to, like, be able to just make such heartless decisions, you know? Yeah. But, sorry, but, you know, that kind of stuff, I feel like. It's very much dissociation, too. I think, like, the way, like, people don't treat animals the same way they would treat another person. So kind of, like, they see them, like, you know what I mean? Yeah. All right. So on to a little bit of a lighter topic, but what is the favorite event that you've hosted or been to? I'd say probably hosted probably the printing event. I know we talked about it already a little. But I think apart from, like, the personal experience of, like, Mariana and I learning how to do, like, lino cut printing, it was really nice to see everyone be so excited and, like, printing and... Some people even carved their own, right? Yeah. So that was really cool. Someone carved, like, or several people carved really cool ones. And I think it was really, really nice to see people, like, discovering, like, their voice, because, like, part of it was, like, they could fill in, like, whatever message they felt strongly about. Yeah. And so I feel like that was something that, like, at least for me, I always want people to realize, like, I know sometimes we're, like, oh, I'm not an artist, I'm not this or whatever, but I feel like we all have it in us. And so it was really exciting to see people come in who a lot of them had never done any sort of printing before. And so for them to get to, like, experience that and then even tell us, like, oh, like, maybe it's something they'd want to keep doing, you know, or they're going to take the class or whatever, I feel like that was really cool. In terms of, like, going to an event, I feel like probably... I always love, like, the herb bundles. I don't know if you've ever been to one, but I know... Who hosts that event? A lot of times it'll be the chi department, but I know, like, Professor Suzie, shout out to her, often is, like, leads a lot of them. But basically you go in and there's, like, an array of, like, there'll be, like, roses or different flowers and then, like, different herbs, like rosemary and what's it called? Like, it could be, like, lavender or ruda or stuff like that. And basically, like, you kind of build a bundle with, like, what calls to you. And, yeah, I feel like those have always just been really special and really grounding. So I feel like if y'all ever have a chance to go to those, definitely recommend. What do they call these? It's usually, like, herb bundle making. I don't know if I've seen any announced recently, but, yeah. If you ever see one, though, I would definitely encourage y'all to go. Cool. And then what show, movie, or book, or I guess any form of media do you think is a good representation of Hispanic culture or, if not a good representation, an iconic one? Like an iconic Hispanic movie? Like a classic? Or Latinx? Yeah. This is a great question. I feel like I guess one of the first that comes to mind is I believe it's called El Pachuco, which is, oh, my goodness, basically made by the person who also did, like, the Teatro Campesino. Oh, no, sorry. Not El Pachuco. It's called Zoot Suite. Oh. Sorry. But, yeah. Oh, my gosh. I can't believe. I can't remember their name. But Luis Valdez. Yeah. So it was made by Luis Valdez. But I think very, very impactful. It's set more in, like, the 40s, kind of describes what, you know, Chicanos or Mexican-Americans at the time were, like, experiencing. And, yeah. I won't do any spoilers, but I don't know. I feel like it's just very beautifully shot. And, I don't know. I just, I feel like I was mesmerized the whole time, and then just also, like, I don't know. And then some parts can be a little intense. But, yeah. And then I feel like another good one would be, like, I think it's Real Women Have Curves. I feel like I might have heard of that one. Yeah. I watched it, like, a while ago. But, what's it called? I thought it was very, like, impactful movie as well, especially, like, you know, as you're growing up as a young woman trying to, like, find yourself and who you are as a person and kind of, I guess, kind of going back to the conforming question. Yeah. I feel like she's able to kind of push back against what her mom is, like, seeing for her. And, I don't know. I really enjoyed it. I feel like it's very accurate in, like, showing what it's like to sometimes navigate growing up as, like, a young Latina woman. Yeah. Cool. Okay. And then, lastly, because you mentioned the Chicanx department, which is C-Class, right? That's, like, their acronym? No. So, that's actually El Centro. Yeah. So, that's the academic and, like, retention center. That's, like, an acronym that I'm forgetting right now. But, yeah. El Centro is, like, at the MU on the second floor. Yeah. The Chicanx department is actually second floor Hart Hall. Oh, that's really good. Yeah. So, one floor down. And, yeah, they have, like, a little library where you can go. They have, like, a little study area. Sometimes they have, I don't know, like, pan dulce or, like, little, like, snacks for students. But, yeah, if y'all ever happen to come across it or if you are a Chi major, definitely encourage you to use the space because that's what it's for. Yeah. But my question is, and you kind of already answered this, but what are other places on campus where Latinx students can kind of find community? Yeah. I'd say, well, besides, like, the department and, like, El Centro, I would definitely say, like, organizations or RSOs like CLCA. I know there's, like, MAR, MECHA. Just came back last year, which is really exciting. Long history on this campus. And what else? Oh, my goodness. Like, Sol y Luna at the SRRC. Yeah. I feel like those are some of the main ones that I feel like are always popping up on my feed. But there's so many RSOs out there. Like, I would definitely encourage people to get involved. There's Las Raices, which is, like, pre-law. And so, so much more. I could do a whole list. But definitely would encourage people to go out there and explore because there's so many different avenues, right? Like, depending on what you're interested in, like, you can find your community. But, yeah, like, I'd say attend a program. I know sometimes it feels a little awkward, like, being on school because usually sometimes it's a little later in the day. But I'd say it's really worth it. You meet a lot of really cool people. There's a lot of people who are working towards building community here on this campus. And, you know, don't be afraid to, like, engage with that. Yeah. A lot of cool things. Okay, cool. Well, thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate you. Of course. And thank you for everybody listening. And then do you want to say thank you for listening in Spanish? Yeah. Gracias a todos por escuchar este podcast aquí con Stephanie. Esperamos que les haya gustado. Wow you really? You added words to that. Also, just for the translation. Esperamos que te haya gustado means we hope that you liked it. Yes. Yes. But, yes, thank you. Thank you to Ninive. Thank you to everybody who's listening. And, yeah, so we really hope, again, La Gran Tardeada, May 16th, right? Mm-hmm. May 16th. What time is that? 1 to 8 p.m. And, yeah, we're going to have a whole set of music, live performances, dance. So make sure to stop by. It's next Saturday. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Free to everybody, open to all. Bring your family. It's not just UC Davis-centric. Bring your family, your cousins, your friends, people from other schools. But, yeah, okay. So thank you, everybody, so much for listening. And bye-bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.