About Feelfulness® & Word Triangles® Interview w Jason Linett Intro to Feel a Feeling by Choice®

In this episode of the Work Smart Hypnosis podcast, the host Jason Lynette interviews Carmen Saluchuk about the concept of word triangles as strategic goals. Word triangles are constructs of evocative words arranged in a specific structure that forms a powerful linguistic tool. By using word triangles, practitioners can access a different kind of language that speaks directly to the emotional core of the client, fostering therapeutic transformation and self-discovery. Carmen provides examples of basic word triangles, such as capable, certain, content, and explains how they can be used to evoke resources within clients to solve or resolve a problem. The goal of word triangles is to achieve outcomes more efficiently, addressing them with one or two or three word triangles instead of multiple talk therapy sessions. The episode also touches on Carmen's concept of "feelfulness" and the importance of starting with basic word triangles before moving on to more complex goals. This is the Work Smart Hypnosis podcast, session number 432. Carmen Saluchuk on Word Triangles as Strategic Goals. Welcome to the Work Smart Hypnosis podcast with Jason Lynette, your professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business success. Here's your host, Jason Lynette. Welcome back to the program and happy almost end of 2023, and I am massively excited to invite you all to listen to completely, let's call it out, nerd out on this phenomenal conversation that I'll tell you right now, I went into it expecting it to be sort of our standard where we typically have a conversation for like 30, 35 minutes or so. And Carmen and I met at the Mid-America Hypnosis Conference this year in the Chicago area, invited her to come on to the podcast. So I was honestly in my head for the piece of praise and compliments that I drop at the end of the episode. But as soon as you hear it, step one, Carmen was extremely receptive and appreciative of it. So I did not offend. And two, it's probably going to become the reason you'll likely rewind back to the beginning of this specific episode and listen to it all over again and just hear the the artistry, the craft of it. And we're about to dive into this conversation of what understandings we can create by not just going after a single concept, but a trio of concepts that you already heard. The name of this episode is about word triangles as strategic goals. And stay tuned for some colorful moments talking about pentagons and dodecahedrons. Of course, we would hear. And with Carmen's work, it's one of diving into creating space for the change to occur. And you're going to hear us also dive into her concept of not quite mindfulness, but instead feelfulness, which is a really fascinating concept. I'm ultimately proud that I pronounced her name correctly on the first try. It's Carmen Sauchuk. Now that I'm pointing it out, I might be butchering it. But the references that she makes in this episode, we're going to make it easy for you to track down the resources, the books, the way to get in contact with her. This is episode number four hundred and thirty two. So, you know how we roll around here. Go to WorkSmartHypnosis.com forward slash four three two. That's where we'll link over to her pages, her website, her LinkedIn books. But definitely check it out and stick around to the end of this one. Not just for the fact of the weird praise that I dropped and I was incredibly self-conscious about. But also also for anybody out there who is ever in the mode of needing to promote something indirectly, and I'm intentionally planting a seed here and not telling you why it just becomes a masterclass of how to do things the right way. And by doing it the right way, it's seamless. So here we go. This is session number four hundred and thirty two. You can find the show notes over at WorkSmartHypnosis.com forward slash four three to professional resource for hypnosis training and outstanding business. The moment you stop learning is the moment where everything stagnates, stifles and stalls. And that's probably the worst example of a word triangle. So don't use that one. Listen to the examples that Carmen shares in this conversation, balancing out when it's that client who might have the whole laundry list of goals, and sometimes we're able to guide through the process and find what's that thing that's bringing everything together. What's that thing that's holding everything back? And then how do we engineer that process? Which I'm sure this, I think, seamlessly kind of brings us over to the topic that we're going to dive into here. So I'll let you kind of take the stage here and share about word triangles. Is word triangles a phenomenal efficiency to problem solving? Word triangles are constructs of evocative words which are meticulously arranged in triplicate structure that forms a powerful linguistic tool. That's a mouthful, isn't it? That is. Yeah. I'm assuming you've got some examples. Yes, we're going to talk about some examples. But before I get into it, I want to mention that word triangles, there is an intention behind that. And when we intentionally arrange evocators, movers and descriptors, which are key components to hypnotic language, to therapy, to personal growth, to life coaching, this becomes a key component to achieving an outcome. What does the client want to achieve? So instead of spending, I don't know, 30 sessions in talk therapy, you can address this with one or two or three word triangles. Now, with the word triangles, as a practitioner, we get to access a different kind of language that is vague, it's evocative and it's nuanced because it speaks directly to the emotional core of the client, which is always, always going to foster therapeutic transformation and self-discovery, which is the ultimate goal of a client. And the beauty of hypnosis is that when people come to us, they are ready to change something. They are not into the mindset, oh, let me talk about it and get it off my chest. They are ready to change something. And when we begin to use word triangles, they're going to grab something from one word or two words or three words that is going to evoke resources within them for them to solve or partially resolve a problem. And I'm going to give you the most basic word triangles that has to do with the self, with individual. Because when somebody comes to see us, they want to resolve something within themselves. They don't come here to talk about other people, like doing talk therapy, right? So a very basic word triangle, it's capable, certain, content. What are you going to do with it? So let me give you an example. And I'm going to ask you once I give you this, and I'm sure a lot of ideas pop into your mind, like what you're capable of, what you're not, what you're certain of and what you're not, are you content, are you not? These are the first automatic habits of polarity. So because we're going to arrange words as three, at least we begin with three, we begin to rearrange and reconstruct this polarity because now you have more than two choices, than either or, up and down, left and right. So capable, certain, content, it's very easy to achieve. I'm going to ask you, Jason, would you find a feeling of capable? You're going to say, well, I don't know right now because I'm dealing with a lot of technology and there's so many, am I capable? Or whatever other doubts are going to come into your mind. But if I am going to ask you, Jason, what about you being capable of breathing? Oh, yes, yes, I am capable of breathing, because you're breathing right now, because you're talking, right? And then if I ask you about certain, you'll probably say, well, Carmen, I don't know, I'm not certain about this and that. I'll say, it's OK, Jason, let's just keep it simple. We're just going to look at your hand, how many fingers you have on one hand. And you can say, oh, I have five. And then I go, are you sure you have five? You say, oh, sure, they're certain. So we go at the very, very basics with these words because it's like seeds you water. And when you water the seeds, they're going to grow into beautiful, beautiful flowers and the most important fruits. So it is the fruits we want to arrive, but to arrive at the fruits, we have to place the seeds. And then I'm going to ask you about content. I'm not going to make you happy just yet. We're going to start saying content. And if I'm going to ask you, Jason, maybe you can find a feeling of content. And you go, well, you don't know. So maybe you're content about the fact that you're breathing and you have five fingers. Because what would the opposite of that be? So I'm taking you with a capable, being capable of breathing, which is so basic and so needed, and you being certain you have five fingers, which, thank God, you don't have less or more. And that evokes a particular set of experience. It's not just one, it's many, many experiences. What I really appreciate from that is to look at capable. And I'm going to have to give the shortest version of this here. I think back to a specific client who I saw that the biggest fear was quitting smoking, how will I go to the store and not buy them? And simply put, he came up with a bit of a colorful list of items that he had never purchased before that helped to define, oh, I know how to do this and certain talking about weight loss clients. And what's great about this is that these are themes that naturally occur, as opposed to having to interject a new emotion. So certain I know my own name, you know, I know that today was kind of a funny schedule and I know that I need to go to the UPS store down the road by the end of the day and I know they close at seven and I've got plenty of time to do that, which is not the biggest conflict, but I'm certain of even small things and content. It's things that are in motion, things that are happening. And it's where what I appreciate from that is that sometimes practitioners can make the mistake of going for too much of the goal too quickly. And it's not to say it's not possible. It's to say that there might be some sort of in between stage that's much more realistic and might even be the better the better flavor of change. Oh, absolutely. That's why war triangles are so powerful. I had I had to write a book and I I've been I've been using war triangles for a very, very long time with with great success. But let me let me tell you what cable certain content will eventually take you after this very basic examples, because once now you just observe yourself from now on, how often are you going to notice how capable you are over simple things of a big things as well and certain and content over small and big things from now on, because this was important to you and they're evocative. But after after you someone grasps this triangles good enough, I'm actually directing you to confidence without directing you directly to confidence because confidence is such an easy experience. People come to us because they need a bit more confidence in something with something about something. So suggesting to them to be a bit more confident is just going to be a little. You know what? I've heard that enough. Thank you. Goodbye. I came to you to do something different. It's the flip side of a word like procrastination, which procrastination is kind of the easy thing to blame. And it's often the thing that shows up. But the procrastination is not often the issue. And the same as the word confidence can mean something different for one person to another. And, yeah, looking for something that we're content, certain, capable of in advance. And that's going to bring us naturally to that confidence. Yes, naturalistic, simple, yet effective systems. Love it. Love it. Nerd. Anyway, so are there other examples of these triangles then? Yes. Let me give you this. One of my favorite examples is attention, allocation, deliberate practice. OK, now everybody at work and every practitioner better allocate their attention and deliberately practice what needs to be practiced for you to get good at it and achieve results. So attention. Attention is an intention that is needed as a catalyst for change. You don't have intention, what are you going to change without intention? Well, you can break things, but it's not a point when it comes to us in hypnosis, in therapy. In attention, not because not all of your experiences will coincide with your current set of perception, current set of beliefs. We talked about beliefs earlier, which are current views of the world. So because these are revealed, the deeper ones are revealed in aha moments. So we're looking for aha moments. Allocation, attention, allocation, in allocation, you become aware of your assumption and you enter self-reflection. Are you going to increase your attention mode, observation, focus, concentration by allocating and immediately become aware of your assumption, enter self-reflection, and you'll begin to see which pieces of your previous beliefs are disorganized, which values, which perception. And you'll begin to welcome the self-regulating and transformation towards adaptive states. Now, that's a mouthful again. Now, let's go to deliberate practice. With deliberate practice, you begin to acknowledge the newly acquired beliefs and perception, and you become efficient at being able to implement them. And this is going to to change your beingness in relation to the world around you, otherwise known as expanding your consciousness. But this is going to take you again to awareness. We can never stop increasing awareness. So attention, allocation, deliberate practice will take you very far in everything you do. What's really great about that as a sequence, too, is that it's so easy for the mind to go, I don't have that, I can't do that, or I'm not there, I don't have the skill. And it's applying a sequence to it that's logical, that first we have to focus on it, then we have to allocate. I look at that as a time thing, make time for it, but then deliberately practice it as well, deliberately. There's a magician, mentalist performer by the name of Mark Salem. He does an act that the story that I've best heard of his, I've seen him live before, but as a friend who told the story, I saw him play the Sydney Opera House with just a pack of index cards and golf pencils. And at the end of the show, he explains to the audience, I haven't been reading your mind. I cannot predict your future. Everything can be explained easily. A five year old could do everything that I've done this evening after 45 years professional training and experience, think good thoughts, have a good night. And it's the benefit of not saying it's so easy. A five year old could do it. It's so easy. The five year old could put in the effort to get better at it. And I'd be curious to hear your thought on this, because I'd say this is a category where I will say I've lost a few fans on this topic over the years, which is I am 100 percent certain that miraculous change can occur with hypnosis. Incredible things can happen in a rapid amount of time. Yet to look at this example as to, yeah, but it's still a skill set. Here was the opera singer who was not having confidence. And she corrected me when I said hitting the note and she corrected me that no, no, no, she's caressing the note. So I didn't make that mistake ever again with her. Yet it was at some level of it. Here's the emotional side of the change that we can work on. But the end of it becomes here's the skill set. Here's the technique. Here's the practice. Here's the preparation. Here's the ability that has to be there. So it's bringing in a practical approach to it, which then speeds up the magical transformation, too. Yes, yes, you are correct. And the thing with the skill set, everybody in life is a skill set, emotion, being able to manage emotion is a skill set. But when we're about to employ a skill, we need to feel good about it and confident about it. Confidence is an issue. So many people are correcting you. This particular lady corrected you because that was her area of expertise. You in the situation weren't interested in hitting a perfect note. You probably just want to have a little bit of fun. You wanted to do a little bit better, but you kind of enjoy yourself. So in that particular moment, you look and it's like, OK, she's critical because she needs to be critical because she wants me to improve myself, but at the same time, I'm capable and I'm certain that I want to enjoy me. I'm content with what I'm doing. I'm taking her feedback and I will make a better for the next time. But meanwhile, I'm confident in who I am today, being confident I will be better later when need to be. I'm only going to ask this because I'm aware of your background and your other expertise. And this is already published. So don't change it. I'm looking at this and I'm seeing a linear pathway of first I'm capable, then I'm certain that I'm content. First, I'm and it might just be because of the order that I heard it. I'm putting attention to something. I'm allocating the abilities to make it happen. And then I'm deliberately practicing. What makes it the triangle as opposed to the step one, step two, step three? See how your conscious mind requires linearity, it requires to make sense of something. So if I'm going to give you something linear, you take it and your subconscious mind will create experiences for you together with a conscious mind, of course, and will deliver you what needs to be delivered. And when you experience yourself, this triangle is not always going to be in this linear form capable, certain, content. Most often you will find yourself content that you are capable of certain or you are certain that you're content and capable. And only these three words can bring you so many different stories and creates different set of experiences for you to acknowledge, to register, to empower yourself, to transform. And later on, when you begin to intentionally use this word triangles to shift them into an experience ahead of time, miracles do happen. They happen with me. And this is how I came out with a terminology of word triangles. It's the fact that there's there's no end to it. It keeps the cycle going. Yes. And you can have as many triangles as you want. There we go. Hey, you got another one? Yes, I have. I have another one. Another one will be the reclaim genuine self. Right. There's a beautiful little sentence. Isn't it? All right. So reclaim genuine self. Let's let's take another approach to it. How about using this reclaim genuine self with an audience? To empower the audience to reclaim their genuine self, because you already reclaimed your genuine self when you went to capable, certain, content. Well, let's change content to happy, capable, certain, happy. So the way you would use this with an audience is an act of empowerment and self-love. A lot of people are not aware of self-love. It will uplift you and them at the same time. So you might say to your audience, hello, everybody. This is what we're doing today. But today, let's reclaim our genuine selves. It's time to embrace our individual power and recognize this incredible diversity among us because we're all unique and we must celebrate that. We must focus on each other's kindness, courage and strength and all the beauty in all of us. It's a task of reclaiming our genuine self. Nice. So would you say that this is something that stands on its own? This is something that supplements another modality of work at times or I'm assuming both? Both. In what triangles create an experience? Every humans and animals and even plants, they have experiences. So when when you begin to use the word triangles to step into an experience, you have an intention ahead of time, you are going to be much more successful at it. But before we do that, it takes a little bit of practice for you to be able to be aware of and acknowledge that you've created parts of the experience that you stepped into. But before that, this word triangles are highly evocative and they're so powerful with hypnosis or life coaching, you don't have to be deeply hypnotized to use this word triangles. But as a therapist, as a hypnotherapist, as a hypnotist, hypnotherapist, these become necessary tools for you to employ in today's current world, because duality, polarity is not the way life goes about anymore. And even younger generation, they're not taking it. They no chance of going to stand for it anymore. They want choices. And we want to move from black and white. When you when you put three words together, you have more choices. You have options. And ambiguity and vagueness in hypnosis are utmost important. Unless you're on stage and want to make people cluck like a chicken. But that's not what we're doing in therapy. Which even with that one, though, for stage hypnosis, it lets you use a classic routine where it's getting warmer and warmer. It doesn't carry the same entertainment value or even hypnotic quality if it's something that could play as just simply Simon says, it's getting really cold out here, grab onto yourself, rub your arms, rub your arms of the person next to you. And they're just doing the exact same thing. And what you just shared is the same way that these principles can be applied over to even on the entertainment side. It's the power of the ambiguous suggestion. It's getting really cold out here. You've got to find a way to keep yourself warm and then the person on stage needs to then shut the hell up and just let the magic occur versus calling every step of it. The same as leaving space for the client to make their own discoveries and epiphanies. It's where I've had training events before where I've had to be the one to go, OK, so let's do that again. And this time, stop doing as much hypnosis. What? Stop telling them you can now feel that confidence moving up your chest. You can feel it moving into your shoulders. You can maybe instead. Well, let's use these words as you're reclaiming that genuine self, notice what's different. And it's giving them the space now to create. As you notice how capable you are of breathing, because we forget how breathing, how important breathing is, how much that we have issues with it. And the fact that now everybody's thinking about their breathing, it's no longer natural. We got you. We got you. Yeah. I want to make sure we have time for a theme that I know this this plays into, which would be not quite mindfulness at all, unless you take it from here. It would be feelfulness. I think this is what you what you are trying to get into. Yes, feelfulness is a term I coined back in 2011, shortly after playing with word triangles. And after really finding the feeling of the words for me, it was rather easy to do because I was very playful. I was curious. I mean, what can happen when you just feel something? So feelfulness takes mindfulness to bigger heights. But before we get there, I must mention that. Everybody, that's a guru, it's a coach, it tells you to find a feeling of. Even hypnotists and therapists, they said, find a feeling of. But nobody teaches you how to find a feeling of. Like earlier, I brought you the triangle of capable, certain and content. And your mind immediately went to what's not capable, what's not certain, what's not content. So when you when you tell someone to find the word capable, it's like, oh, you don't know. But when I'm giving you examples of metaphor of how you can find that, then it's easy to arrive at it. And I remember many years ago after I stumbled upon this word triangle, well, I coined the term word triangles as well. When I stumbled upon it and I would listen to inspirational, spiritual speeches, like big gurus, big guys, I'm not going to mention any names because there's plenty of them. I would agree with them. I say, oh, yeah, yeah, that's the way, that's the way. Sure, sure. But I would notice there's they would after a while, I would notice that they would not tell you how to do it. And then I was like, oh, they're just they're just telling you what to do, but not how to do it. Then how are you going to implement that? You just go ahead and drive a car. Well, I don't know. And I never drove a car. Well, let me swoop in for a quick moment here, because is there value of leaving it ambiguous? I forget who this was. Blanking on it now. And it was someone who made the statement that they removed the word deeper from their hypnosis because it was never defined. And since it might be confusing to the client, they never said it, to which I said, that's the reason why I use the word. And it's the fact of how I not quite. It could be adjacent in the next door neighborhood of the triangles, but just simply a listing pattern and maybe a feeling, it may be a sensation. It may be a newer understanding, whatever that is for you. And it's where we're kind of creating that open ended thing. And I give the description of, again, like training a hypnosis course, and it's to ask the people after doing a demo, what was that like for you? And you're going to get a different answer from everyone because of the subjective nature. So how do we ride that balance of teaching the how to feel without inadvertently directing for my for my classes? I'm going to there we go. Yes. So hang on, hang on, hang on. You have so frickin earned it at this point. You just came on here and solidly taught. I'm going to make this easy. We're going to keep going for a bit here, but I'm just going to get this part out of the way. I'm going to plug it in advance. I'm going to get all the links from Carmen. This is episode four hundred and thirty two. So go to WorkSmartHypnosis.com forward slash four three two. We'll put all the links, all the details over there. But hey, while we're here, what is that step towards teaching that feeling nature? OK, let me give you this. There is a stimulus and response automated mechanism in everything that that we do. Ambiguity and vagueness is the cornerstone in hypnosis. But because stimulus response, because of automatic mechanism, because of ambiguity and vagueness, people immediately act upon a word that triggers an experience, a stimulus response that's an emotional reaction without further consideration. And if I am to take the words freedom, fair, realistic, respect, justice, every single of this word, and feel free to make triangles out of them. Carmen, that was a word Pentagon. Yes, but you can make one out of it. It was a Pentagon, intentionally correct. Here we go. Which has a triangle pointed side on one part. So there we go. It's still on theme. Yes. Well, you can make a triangle of fair, freedom, realistic. Yeah, you can. You can make another triangle of fair, justice, realistic. Freedom, respect, realistic. You will get a story in every single triangle. Once we get very good at triangles, then we're going to go into quadruples and pentagons and sextagons and octagons and many gons. We'll have you back on when the book on the word dodecahedrons comes out and we'll get that. Twelve, twelve pentagons. There's twelve pentagons. I already work with a dodecahedron. No, here's where here's where I'm getting excited about this. It's the look at how it's we can do a. Here's an example. This might be something you've already done, in which case call dibs on it. It's the fact that we can guide a process of self-hypnosis. And we also could then do things that become hypnotic in nature. And here's the way that for some people, it's a word. For some people, it's a specific action. And here's where it's this sort of extension of that, which is then allowing one simple concept. And it's not necessarily defined by this one specific thing. It's always this, it's always that. It's instead what specifically does it mean to you in that moment? Correct. Correct. And I want to underline something that hypnotic doesn't mean a loss of control. Hypnotic, the main tool in hypnosis besides war triangles, of course, because we're on a positive of war triangles, is suggestion and positive suggestion. So hypnotic means being influenced positively to achieve a desired outcome. So war triangles are one of the most important bases in feelfulness, a feeling by choice, because feelfulness provides techniques where a feeling or emotion in English language and feelings, the word feeling is used instead of an emotion. In other languages, it's not the same. So feelfulness provides techniques where a feeling or emotion is experienced in anticipation with a use of your thought feelings. We use linear and nonlinear together to create miracles by using evocative words in a form of war triangles, evocators, movers, descriptors, which create a positive attitude and confidence, of course. And it would lead to generating a state of being. Yeah, it's that what I'm hearing is also this balance between the artistic approach as well as the strategic approach. And it's hitting the client from multiple angles and letting them create along the journey, too. Oh, it's very strategic. It's very strategic. And with my clients in intake and feedback, of course, they tell me what they want to achieve, what they want to work on it. What is their difficulty? And I take the negative of what they want to transform, and I find this evocative words and sometimes 20 minutes part of the hypnosis. If I run a session longer than that, OK, let's take 15 minutes. All I do is repeat those. I use the words with them, adverbs, verbs, adverbs. And sometimes I make a lot of stories with this word. Sometimes I don't. Depends what comes to me. But the effect of this was the client's results is it's mind boggling. I know that I'm using the proper therapeutic words for them, and it's not just typical vagueness as if maybe and other typical vague words in hypnosis. But because this word, they evoke a specific it's a stimulus reaction, which they all respond to these words in specific ways. The subconscious will also allow their past conditioning to be loosen up a little bit, overcome this, some of the barriers, not all of them, not at once, because we don't want to switch all that that quickly and go achieve results. And not in a formula like this is how you do math. This is the alphabet. This is so many other things. These are the numbers. This is how you write numbers. This is how you write the alphabet. This is how you put letters against the four words. No, because it's evocative and everybody has their own experiences. And it's creating the space for that experience, too. Yes, yes. In the way that is good for them. So you hinted at it before. Where can people find out more? Yes. How can they get in contact with you? How can they get started? Well, they can find me through my website at feelfulness.org feelfulness. If you're going to search this in Google, it's going to show up with fear. No, it's not here. It's F-E-L-F-U-L-N-E-S-S-T-O-R-G-O-R-G. You see part of why I cheat for you and just tell people worksmarthypnosis.com forward slash four three two. It'll bring you over. You'll see a big old link over there. That way to there. There you go. Already have two different ways to easily find me. feelfulness.org worksmarthypnosis.com forward slash what's a podcast? Podcast. Four three two. Yeah, four three two. And also I'm they can reach me on linked in other feelfulness. And we'll put links to all that there over in the show notes. Could I give you one of the weirdest and obscure compliments I can possibly give? And this is also a call to action for everybody to go back and listen to this episode from the beginning once again, because I'm aware that you know what you're doing. I'm also aware that you do it so damn naturally. And it's just the blending of the natural embedded command and the leaning into your language, the intentionality. It's been just a joy to listen. And I'm over here smiling and nerding out. But it brings it brings about this understanding that there is artistry to what we do. But there also, as you said, there's systems that are inside of it. And as soon as we understand the systems, that's how we then are more easily able to then lean into the methods when it's the right time and also then make the decisions when it's not the time to emphasize something. So it's just so natural. Love it. All right. Before we wrap up, any final thoughts for the listeners out there? Yes, I'm not for my glasses. By the book is out. You can find my book, the book on my website. Only listen to this podcast again, sign up for classes, sign up for individual one on one, more information, play with the word triangles, make your own triangles that work best for you. Come and learn more ways to work with triangles. I in the book, I offer a lot of work triangles. And you're making me break my form that I've now done for four hundred and thirty plus episodes, right? We always crop it to give you the last word. But I just want to take a moment for the listeners out there and just put it this way. You see how that's done, where Carmen came on massive value, pulled back the curtain, walked us through it, taught. And it was so natural at the end to go. Here's where to get more. So, hey, folks, you know where to get more. It's Jason here once again. And as always, thank you so much for engaging with our phenomenal guests, diving into dialogues with them inside of our work smart hypnosis community. You can see exactly how to catch up with Carmen by heading over to the page attached to this episode, which is WorkSmartHypnosis.com forward slash 432. That's where you can find the links to her social, to her website, to her various books. And while you're there on the Interwebs, also check out WorkSmartHypnosisLive.com. It's all about confidence, creativity and flexibility. Stepping into your own feeling of being content and creative and awesome in what you do. I'm Jason Lynette. Happy almost New Year, everybody. We'll see you next year. Thanks for listening to the WorkSmart Hypnosis Podcast and WorkSmartHypnosis.com.