The Equity Hour: Where the Political is Personal - Intro Show

The Equity Hour is a new show on KURU 89.1 FM. The hosts, Cyndi René Provencial, Kit West, and Amanda Berg, discuss social justice issues that impact their community. They will be doing a three-part series on Project 2025, discussing how the policies will affect women, children, and elders. Kit will focus on the impact of abortion laws on women, highlighting the larger issue of reproductive health. They want to bring awareness to these issues and show how they are personal and political. The show airs on the first Monday of the month at 10 a.m. and the following Sunday. You are listening to KURU 89.1 FM, and you can stream us on the web at gmcr.org. You are listening to a brand new show on KURU called The Equity Hour, where the political is personal. I'm your co-host, Cyndi René Provencial, and I'm actually one of three hosts for the show, and I'll let the other two introduce themselves at this time. I'm Kit West, and I'm the other co-host for the show. And I'm Amanda Berg, the guest co-host for the show. And to give you a little bit of background about how the show was born, I was a co-host with Susan Golightly for the KURU show called Gender Trouble, and when Susan was no longer able to do the show and pass the torch to me, I needed to make some changes to meet the demands of my busy schedule, and a new show was born. And so a little bit about my personal background, I'm born and raised here in Grant County, specifically the mining district, and I got a lot of my higher education here at Western New Mexico University, but I also got a Master's in Women and Gender Studies from Texas Women's University in Denton, Texas. And so that's a little bit about my background. The reason why I'm interested in this show and all that we are going to cover on the show is I feel social justice issues are deeply personal and impact people that I love, and I just want to bring more awareness to some of the social justice issues that are impacting our community and that overlap with political issues, and that's why we named the show what we named it. And so how about you, Kay? What interests you about joining the show? Well, I'm a little older now, and I have this perspective, right? Like I was a teenager when abortion was illegal. So it gives you a different kind of perspective than a lot of people I talk to who haven't lived that. So I lived it, and I never, because of that, I never imagined that it could possibly change. And so when these things started changing, I'm sure there are many, many people who are not older who feel that way, but it was very impactful for me. I thought, oh, we're in a different world now, and I started paying attention. And I am a writer and a poet, but I have not been very political in my life, right? I write more about spiritual and psychological issues, right? But this changed my life, and I started reading the news, and I started paying attention, and I saw that it wasn't just abortion. It was many, many, many issues were like sand, so it's shifting into a different ground. And so I've been very frustrated because I didn't know what to do about it. Right, right. So I write poetry about it, but I don't reach it so far. Right, right. So then this came along, so I'm very happy to be here. I'm very happy you're here, too. I'm so glad that Kelly connected us and that you're such a good fit for the show that we gave birth to. Right. And Amanda? Well, I am a local. I have a business down here downtown. I'm very passionate about what Kit has said about seeing things slightly different even in my 44 years. Social justice is important to me because it is personal, and when I see things changing in the last 20 years to change differently in the future, it doesn't look like it's peaceful. So I think it's important to talk about specific facts that are going on, and I think it would be wonderful to be a part of this program. Thank you, Amanda, for that. I'm very glad that you were able to join us as our guest co-host. So you may be wondering when the show will air. It's going to actually each show will air on the first Monday of the month and the following Sunday. So on Mondays it will air at 10 a.m., and the following Sunday it will air sometime in the evening. We're not quite sure at what time yet, but we will find out. So the reason why Amanda is a guest co-host for the show is we are doing a series that she is very interested in, along with me and Kit, and we are going to do a three-part series on the topic of Project 2025. And Kit, do you want to talk about, we call it the shake-up, about Project 2025? We realize that there is quite a shake-up happening around the project, but we still feel that it's important to continue this conversation about these policies that are being championed and how they're going to affect people. So you want to talk a little bit about that? Yeah, I think the changes could be considered cosmetic. I don't know, because there is a history of these policies. We have already seen these policies going into action in previous administrations and then in other states around the country. So it's already here, and it's part of the past, and it's also part of the future. It's a platform that continues these policies. So I don't think that this shake-up, as we've been calling it, is really positioned to change that very much. I think it's expedient. When you're trying to win votes, you really want to put your best foot forward, and it seems like that's what that's about. And it doesn't really change the policies and the people who are affected by them and how they make them very vulnerable to change. So that's how it looks. Right. So should we tell the listeners what Project 2025 is? Maybe some people don't know. You want me to do that? Sure. Okay. There's such a thing called the Heritage Foundation. It's a conservative sort of think tank. And they came up with, I think it came out in April of 1923, a sort of blueprint for the next conservative president. Policies that they think that the president should spearhead. And it's 900 and something pages long, and it's very complex. And it does, like I said, cover a lot of things that have already happened. It just, as Amanda was telling me earlier, it looks to expand them. Right. So, yeah. Did you want to talk about that a little bit, Amanda? Yeah, that was your idea. And I think you're right. I think it does. It takes what's already happened and then makes it bigger and go forward. So it covers a lot of territory, so obviously we won't be able to do all of it. But we're trying to pick pieces here and there that our listeners can relate to. That's why the political question. Right. So, we are going to do a three-part series. And in the first show of that series, we're going to talk about how these policies are going to affect women. In the second show, we are going to talk about how these policies will affect children. And in the third and final show of the series, we will talk about how it will affect elders. And within these shows, we have at least three different areas of concern that we will cover. And so, for the first show, do you want to talk about what you're going to cover, kids? Right. The first one will be women, right? Right. Right. So this is one of the most obvious things that's in the Project 2025, is it stands on abortion. So, I have been researching it, but I'm going to talk about that. And my focus is going to be on a larger story, right? Because I think there's a lot of misunderstanding of what's happening. It's not just about people who want abortions and now you can't have them and you have to go to another state. It's all about reproductive health for women. Many, many women. So, that's kind of, I want to make it larger, fact-driven, but also take it out to like ways that go out. Because that's what's happening. Right. Things are happening that no one ever imagined when they overturned the way. Right. So, I want to talk about that. For example, when you have a miscarriage and you need a DNC, that's considered an abortion. And many women are finding that they can't get that care in red states where abortion is already banned. Exactly. A total ban or a very early ban. So, that's just like one example of the issue. And women can't get, in many cases in states where abortion is banned, pregnant women, doctors will not see them until their second trimester. Because most miscarriages happen in the first trimester. So, they have to go the whole first trimester without any medical care. So, that's kind of what I'm talking about. It's not, this person doesn't want an abortion, right? They're really concerned about the pregnancy. Right. And then, I just read today that mothers in states with abortion bans are three times more likely to die. Wow. Three times more likely to die. And this isn't just because of the abortion bans. It's because the general care for women and support for women in reproductive health has declined. Right. We could go on about deserts where there's no reproductive care. Right. They travel for hours and hours. Is this a new, when you can't go into your second trimester? Is that like something, it's brand new because doctors are afraid. Wow. They're afraid. And so, they will not, women cannot, it's not of course everywhere, but in some states where the laws are very, very strict, they cannot get an appointment. A doctor will not see them until they're in their second trimester. So, that's a scary, that's an interesting thing for women. It's a thing. To be on their own, right? Yeah, and it used to always be the moment that you got pregnant. You know? And the moment you find out that you're pregnant, go to the doctor. You know? And by the second trimester, you're already, well, pregnant. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Wow. So, it kind of just gives you a feeling, an idea of what I mean by the larger story. Right. And I think in all of these things we're going to talk about, women, children, elders, there's a larger story. Because, like Project 2025, and many articles I read, they don't talk about the larger story. It's just a fact of it, right? It's what's happening, and it's no good, and we've got to overturn it. It's like, yeah, but I think people need to hear that this is a larger story. That's where the political, personal, that affects them. It affects their families. It affects their neighbors. People who, right? They aren't just over there somewhere. Somebody, if you don't believe in abortion, is fine. Yeah. Right? It isn't about that. Right. Right. Right. It's almost like coming in the back door, kind of, with those kinds of policies like that. You know? Right. That's why they want to focus on that. Yeah. It's very sneaky looking. Mm-hmm. Probably unintended consequences of these kind of policies. I think no one had any idea. Yeah. Yeah. They should have if they had discussed it with medical experts, who could have probably pushed them into all of this, but they didn't. So, here we are. Yeah. We're going to take a quick station ID break. You are listening to KURU 89.1 FM, and you can stream us on the web at gmcr.org. You are tuned in to a brand new show on KURU called The Equity Hour, where the political is personal. I'm your co-host, and you're Renee Provencio. We are here with co-host Kit West, and our guest co-host, Amanda Burke. We were just talking about the series, our next three shows are going to be a series about Project 2025, and another area that we are going to talk about under the reproductive health umbrella is contraception, and how that access to those would be impacted if these policies were to come to fruition. And I don't really have too much more to say about that at this time. I still need to do the research, but we do know that that's part of the attacks on the access to contraception is part of this agenda that will deeply impact families and their ability to do family planning, and will set so many women back. I didn't write down what your part was going to be. Do you remember, Amanda? For the women, how Project 2025 is going to affect women? I think that we were talking about the children part of it, the Department of Education. But with the women part, the family planning is very important, but that's only a small percentage of what's actually happening. We have teenagers. We have young adults. We have people that are single, that are partying, living their lives grandly, how they see fit, and they need to be able to take care of them physically how they see fit, not from how someone else sees fit, and not having so many hurdles because we've made our own decisions in a free country. So many obstacles for women based on choosing a lifestyle differently than just this kind of platform. Yeah, and some women need birth control for not just their family planning. I started birth control when I was 15 because I had ovarian cysts, and when I was running cross-country, no matter if I was on my period or not, I had extremely brutal cramps while I was running, and it was really impacting my ability to compete. And so I went to my doctor, and she put me on birth control, and that solved the problem. And so there are so many reasons why women need access, and we have that access right now, and that could change. And we can't take that for granted, that it's never going to change. Well, you bring up a good point, Renee, is that the birth control pills are used in many medical applications, and they have nothing to do with contraception. So you take them, mesopristone I think is used for other applications too, right, that don't have to do with abortion, medical abortion. So it's a really, it's very scary for people who are on, people in menopause now are being given birth control hormone therapies, right, in the past that was frowned on, but now they're doing it again. And these are people who, like you when you were young, have a hard time functioning without these medications. So you take those away from people, other people too. And then there's also like emergency contraception after a rape is occurring, right, and on and on, and that is specifically banned in contraception. Wow. Yeah, specifically. Yeah. So, it goes on. Long. Yeah. And abortion pills would be banned, and yeah. All that kind of stuff. So anyway. So in the second show of the series, it'll be on how these policies in Project 2025 will affect children. And I'm particularly interested in how they plan to dismantle Medicaid. And that is very scary, because many families, low-income families, depend on Medicaid to be able to afford healthcare. And many adults, right, not just children, many adults rely on Medicaid in the states where it was expanded. Not all states expanded Medicaid after the Affordable Care Act, but New Mexico is one state that did, and we are kind of surrounded by a couple of states that didn't, right. And that's Arizona and Texas. And so, if Medicaid is dismantled, that will be incredibly disruptive to so many people's lives in accessing care and their medications. And so that is something that I'm very, very concerned about. How about you, Kit, what were you going to focus on for that show? I'm going to focus on child labor. This is a big issue now. I grew up and never thought about child labor. I mean, that was something that was in, like, old novels. Right. But we do want that issue. And the way it's written about in Project 2025 is to make it sound sort of like, you know, your teenage son, your 14-year-old teenage son can get an after-school job and help the family and everything. But it really seems like it will impact poor immigrant families and the children they're going to, with regulations, safety regulations being reformed, as they say. Okay, Amanda. What about you? What area were you going to cover on the show? I think that it says that they would like to dismantle. Dismantle. Dismantle. Thank you. The Department of Education, you know, it's kind of a big deal and kind of a big problem. The public schools are wonderful. They need a little bit of help. But to just get rid of it completely and put in a one-sided perspective on education, I don't think that's a good way to go. So I'd like to delve more into what it says about dismantling the Department of Education and turning it into private Christian schools and getting that funding there that, again, is kind of concerning. No matter how Christian you are or how you see things, you should see things bigger than ourselves as well. And what Christian theology would they use? There's so many, right? There's so many. That's a very good point. That's the point. You have to see the bigger picture. God-like is to be graceful under all circumstances. So if you don't see it this way, you try to see it that way and not just, this is the way it is. Because that's not how life works. That's a really good point. There are so many Christian denominations, right? It's amazing. And they don't agree. They don't. Right. It makes sense. That's why they're different. Different names, different histories, different approaches. And that's good. That's a good thing. Diversity in every area is really helpful. How would you do that? There is a practical part for all these changes. Would it work? Yeah, definitely. Would it work? There would be unintended consequences, again. I would think. I was raised apostolic. I'm still Christian. But there's divisions among apostolics, right? There's a split in the apostolic assembly. And there's an apostolic assembly and apostolic atlantia. And they don't agree on a lot of things. And then apostolics don't agree with Baptists. There's no way to... I don't see a way forward to make our public education into Christian private schools. Right. I think that the... The other administration. The other administration. The previous? The previous administration did put in an uneducated... That's the wrong word. Unqualified? Unqualified lady to take over the Department of Education. And they took a lot of money out of the public schools and gave it already to private Christian schools at that time, if you remember. And then that became a problem. And I think that she resigned or got fired because it wasn't flowing the way it should be. It was just somebody's opinion on how things should be done instead of how to meet in the middle of things. Yeah. So I think it's really important to learn how to be wise and to learn math and reading and... Critical thinking? And critical thinking. Critical thinking. Yeah. And then have like a chute on the side for people that choose to go do their Christian part of the schooling. You know, it shouldn't be given the entire just as is, you know? Right. I mean, when I was in high school, there was a club, a Christian club, and they would go and pray every morning around the flag, you know? And there were quite a few students that would do that, you know what I mean? And I think that that's a part of us being responsible and as parents teaching our children. We have to be accountable for things for our children and not just say the school has to do it or we need to do it this way. We live here in the United States because we're free to do those things, you know? And I think it's really important to be able to remind people of the freedom we do have here. Yeah. And we deserve, people who are not Christian deserve freedom from Christianity, right? And the choice, like everything else that we said we were going to be as a nation. Well, yeah, we were founded on separation of church and state. Right. The story is that we fled oppression, you know, living in oppression and trying to do something different. So it's not just to start it all over again. Right. Yeah. I'm sure there's much more to the story. Right. Right. Like Native Americans who were not free to practice their religion. It was outlawed. Right. So for the third and final part of the series, we are going to be talking about how Project 2025 will impact elders. And so do you want to talk about what you will cover on that show? Right. I'm going to stick with the labor thing. Okay. I looked up child labor and at the same time elder labor and I'm an elder. So it kind of pulled me in. So there was a bit of a flap about Social Security, whether Project 2025 actually revoked it, wants to revoke it, suggests revoking it. And I think one of the candidates mentioned that and it made headlines. No, no, it's not in there. But I looked it up and it's much more complex than that. Okay. Right. So they don't outright. And we'll get into that more later on in the show. But they don't actually revoke Social Security outright, which would make some people feel better. It made me feel a little bit better. But as some policies do, they will chip away at it. They will say, no, let's do this, let's do that, let's do this. And so finally what you come to is that it won't, probably won't be enough to live on. Right. Right. So I don't want to talk too much about it because it's coming up. Right. But that's what I gleaned from the research is that it is very, very scary for elders. Because there are a lot of people who are now in their 80s and are working at Walmart. Right. And it's already not enough. Some policies, some platforms seek to expand it. Right. Because it is not enough. So to have it go the other direction would, again, lead to some strange kinds of scenarios of homelessness. Right. Right. And food. Let's do a quick station ID break. You are listening to KURU 89.1 FM. And you can stream us up on the web at GMCR.org. You are listening to a brand new show called The Equity Hour, where the political is personal. I'm your co-host, Cindy Renee Provencio. And I am here with Kit and Amanda Burke. And we are talking about our series that we plan to do on Project 2025 and how that will impact women, children, and elders. And we were talking about how we are going to dive into how Project 2025 will affect Social Security. And we're also going to dive into how it will affect Medicare. Because it's my understanding that Project 2025 aims to dismantle Medicare. Right. Well, I haven't researched it totally, but I do know that prescription prices for elders would be raised. They want to change the D part of Medicare, which covers prescription prices. And so, yeah, they want to all... That's going to be by chipping away. Okay. Chip away, I think. And so to make the prescription prices higher. That would end up making it higher. So that's one thing I do know. Okay. The rest is looking more at labor. Right. Because Social Security would mean that, you know, now you don't get to retire. If you don't have enough money to live on from the government, it's sort of a supplement. It would end up being a supplement to your income. You will have to work to the end, unless you've got really nice family members to step in. Right. So this is why it's personal. Right. Because your mother, your grandmother, right? You know, just nothing. Stuff for just this little bit. Right? And higher prescription costs, too. Right. Right. And then, you know, a couple of that I'm not sure what else would be chipped away at. Right. The Affordable Care Act, pre-existing conditions. Exactly. Pre-existing. That is in there. Yeah. Pre-existing conditions is in there. Yeah. Yeah. So after Project 2025, after the three-part series, we want to give you a taste of what kind of topics we're going to cover on our show. And Kit, do you want to start with the topics that maybe we can go back and forth about the topics one at a time. Do you want to start? I agree. Our topics are the same almost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Okay. I'll just run through them. We were going to come up with a bunch, but mine, I've got four, but they're really one topic. Right? So especially if you're thinking of the family, and we're trying to approach all of these issues and policies from a family perspective. Right? How will they affect the women, elders, children. So affordable housing is one. This is nationwide, but affordable housing is very important. And we have people right here in Portland City who are working on that, and I'm hoping to drag them into some of the meetings. Sure. I agree. Yeah. That's great. And then homelessness. See, it's all connected. Right? Homelessness. Again, we have people here who are working very hard on that front. And so we want to dive into that. Yeah. And then, again, it's connected to behavioral health. Right. So we all know, you know, during the Reagan era, that behavioral health facilities were closed down, and they weren't going to be taken care of anymore by behavioral health issues. Right. So I was thinking, you know, reform, training. Right? Things like that. Which is already on the platform here in New Mexico. Right. Right. So I'm very proud of New Mexico for doing that, and really stepping up to get people trained in behavioral health therapies. Yeah. Right. And then also I think this is connected, too, with police reform and training. Right? Yes. Right. So the police aren't trained to deal with mental health people necessarily. Right? For the homeless and everything. So maybe they should be trained, or maybe they should share with the behavioral health people. I don't know. Right. So we're going to look at all those things. What's happened, how has it been, what's happening now, and what might be something that in the future that would come out of these changes that would be wonderful for the vulnerable. Yeah. I think it's really important that all the police should also be trained, because when something happens, what do you do? You call the cops. Yeah. A lot of times they're dealing with. Yeah. They're dealing with somebody who's a little overstimulated, but not a criminal, you know? Right. Sometimes they drive around with some of these guys in the backseat because they don't have the police car. They don't know what to do with them. They don't know what to do with them. Right. So they show up or whatever, you know? And then it's just very, it's not, there isn't a, there's no good answer at this point. But if you connect the dots, right, affordable housing could help with homelessness and behavioral health, could help with, you know, people being able to deal with these issues that are in the police too. If the work came in hand, behavioral health could be changed. Right. Yeah. Right. My friend Holly Noonan is the executive director of Crooked Forest Institute, and one thing that she always says about these issues that are impacting our communities, right, homelessness, mental illness, addiction, that the solution is housing first. Because you can get people treatment either for mental health or addiction or both, but when they get out or if they're doing, you know, if they don't have somewhere to live, they're going to relapse, right? And even for me personally, you know, with mental health, just dealing with depression, my depression was always worse when I didn't know where I was going to live, when I was housing insecure. Of course. And, you know, my housing insecurity ended thanks to family who was willing to step in and help me, but not everyone has that kind of family support. Right. And we really need to do a better job as a country, as a state, as a county, and as, you know, as a society to put resources towards true affordable housing and to trust, you know, to entrust those resources with organizations that are going to really provide affordable housing and not worry about profits, right? Right. There are many examples around the country, cities that are really doing amazing things, and we could, you know, talk about that in other places, as well as New Mexico and Grand County. Right. But there's, I've read some amazing things from, like, getting old RVs and trailers and putting them all, somebody buying a piece of land and putting them all there, but having behavioral health people live there. Right. With them, right? They have their own house, their own little nook. I've always wondered why we have so many abandoned buildings and why those cannot be helpful, you know? I thought about this when I was living in Colorado during the recession. Yeah. And there were a lot of empty houses that we had to make around that time, and there are all these empty places, and I was like, and I'll tell people, like, why don't we do something? You know? And you know what it comes down to is, like, insurance. Yeah. It just comes, but we can't do that because of the insurance, and insurance doesn't insurance that well. Let's just do something different, you know? Let's try something, like, let's call it gravy, but let's try this, you know? Because there's so many things that are in front of us that are available, but unavailable, you know? Mm-hmm. Me too. Yeah. So, some topics that I'm interested in talking about on this show is definitely attacks on LGBTQ plus rights, especially trans, untrans people, especially gender-affirming care, that there's bans going on in red states right now, and trans kids who have been, you know, getting treatment for gender-affirming treatment, all of a sudden they can't get that treatment. And they're being impacted in very personal ways, so I'm very interested in diving into that issue. I'm very interested in immigration and asylum seekers and undocumented workers and DACA recipients and, you know, their future in our country. I think that I have family members who have been undocumented and have faced deportation, have been deported, and the struggle of our family to get them back here in the states, you know, was many, many years. And so, I really have a heart for these issues and the way that, you know, we treat immigrants, you know, whether they're documented or not, really has, you know, a huge impact on families, right? I always say, when I was younger, like, when these family members got deported, I'm like, how can they treat people like cattle? You know, that's when we separate families, because one person has papers, and the kids have papers, and maybe the dad doesn't. And then we separate them like they're cattle. Like, that's really important to me. I'm sorry, I'm getting emotional. You know, I lived in Mexico for a long time, and I knew the Guatemalan border, and there were a lot of Guatemalans that came over. And if you had a child in Mexico, the whole family were citizens. Instantly. Wow. Now, I'm not sure if that's still good, because they've had a lot of trouble too, you know, a while ago, but that was the case. Like, you have a baby, that's it. How can you mean? Everybody is now a citizen. How can you mean? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. It's, we can do, we can do something. Yeah. Yeah. Another topic close to my heart is climate justice, and, you know, the impacts of climate change on communities. I really have a heart for, you know, these third world countries that are being impacted the most in the global south by climate change, and who have contributed the least to the issue. And a lot of these factors are driving immigration too, right? And I mean, a lot of it has to do with foreign policy, and history of foreign policy is right. Yeah. But also climate change is impacting migration, and so just, you know, climate justice is very important to me as well, and I want to dive more into that. Another topic of concern for me is gun control and gun violence, especially in our schools, mass shootings, and in our supermarkets, and, you know, we've had that shooting in El Paso so close to home, at Walmart, and, you know, often these shootings are, well, in that particular case, was racially driven, and so definitely I think we need to talk about on the show, I would love to talk about on the show, about common sense gun control measures in our country and in our states. I think our children deserve it, right? They deserve safety in school, and it could be simple things. I mean, I'm not saying ban all guns, that's not what I'm saying, but I don't think anyone who's for gun control is for banning all guns, and that's a myth that's out there and circulating. And so, but there's common sense steps that we can take, and we can, of course, I'm not going to dive into that right now, but... I think it's tied to this whole behavioral health thing. Were you going to say that again? Because if you build a platform, a foundation, that's how you go up. You can't start at the top and go down, you know what I mean? And so it all bleeds into the next to the next, because you don't, the majority of the time, you are at fight or flight part of your brain, because one, you don't have any place to stay, you don't have anything safe, you can't eat, so you have to go steal. A lot of times, there are people who, racially motivated, that's a different thing, because that's value and moral part of your own soul, but when it comes to people that steal things, break into cars, break into houses, a lot of the time, it's you don't have what you need, so you have to get it somehow. And you do it, you don't do it the right way, but a lot of the time when you talk to people who have calmed down about things like that, or you get to talk to them now that they're safe again, they didn't want to do that. I didn't know what else to do, you know what I mean? And that's again, that bottom foundation is, I mean, there's no answers really, but you got to start at the bottom of the top, you know, because they all bleed into everything else. Let's do a quick Station ID break. You are listening to KURU 89.1 FM, and you can stream us on the web at gmcr.org. You are tuned into a brand new show called The Equity Hour, where the political is personal. And we're going to jump right back into our discussion for the last 15 minutes or so. I was going through the list of topics that we hope to cover on this show, and the last topic that I had is actually about Native American rights, and I would love to bring on some local Apache leaders who have come back to the area, and one of them is Joe Sines, and he is very much, does a lot of work to educate the public about the Apache plight, and so I would love to have him on the show. I would love to dive into your climate change thing, too, because tribal communities frequently vary on it as far as climate change and all the repercussions of different things that are going on, like mining. Mining keeps people employed, and we all need some of these minerals and metals and everything, but there's a way to do it that's less impactful. I've heard that Apache leaders talk about this in very profound and powerful ways. It would be wonderful. Overlap. We still have about 10 minutes left. Is there anything else that you guys want to talk about before we end the show? Well, just that these issues seem to give birth to other issues that are very closely related, right? This is what we've been stumbling over and over, and we're going to miss this introductory hour, so I think that we could kind of run with that. Yeah. Right? And I don't know if we have a way to interact with the public reactions to this show, but because the three of us sitting here are going, well, that's connected to that, and that's connected to that, and it's all connected. Maybe it's the family. We have a family approach, and the policies are family too. We're not isolated over here. Right. One is brother, sister, cousin to the other woman. Right. So perhaps the listeners could actually, I don't know, I'm new at this, could be part of that conversation and say, hey, but your conversation on the air made me think of this, or you made me think of this. Right. And that would just make the whole conversation larger. Right. Just a thought. Maybe we can set up an email address for our show where people can send in reactions. That's a great idea. I think that's great. Yeah. Political becomes personal. Yeah. Because we didn't want that personal approach. How do all policies affect people? Right. Stories. Yeah. Ideas. They're just your questions. Yeah. You talk about this, but you forgot this, because they have a personal relationship like you. Family members are supported. That's a great idea. Right? And my husband works with the homeless, so we have these connections that are personal that make these issues very important to us. Right. And I'm sure our listeners are the same. Right. Yes. Yeah. Everything is interconnected and intersecting. And that's the answer to all the problems, too. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It will be it. Right? Yeah. Right? It will be the connection. And talk about it, too, at the same time. Well, thank you, listeners, for listening to our brand new show. Again, it's called The Equity Hour, where the political is personal. I'm your co-host, Cindy Renee Provencio. I'm here with co-host Kit West and guest co-host Amanda Burke. And we're signing off for today, but thank you so much for listening. Thank you. We'll see you next time. Hear you next time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.