January Episode 1 Season 2

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Because I haven't looked at it yet. I'll admit that. But you had a fight this morning with somebody? I don't know if you really want to call it a fight. I'm going to try and be ambiguous. But it actually is kind of like something coming to a head after a couple weeks of basically seeing a person post on, of course it's Twitter, some pretty questionable takes about feminism and et cetera. And they said last night that food is an underrated projectile at protests. Now, sure, whatever. But I am of the opinion that this day and age we have a problem with people not having enough food to drink, enough water or food to drink, enough food to eat, enough water to drink, et cetera, et cetera. And I just think that we should be kind of past the point of wasting food to make a point, right? Yeah, well, let's see. Because I can see where using spoiled and or rotten food would probably be a good idea in my opinion. Yeah, inedible, dig it out of a dumpster, smear it in someone's face, whatever. Yeah, that's where I'm at on it. Not so much fresh food. Right, so we weren't talking about spoiled, inedible food. I just made the point, I said, I think rocks work better because no one needs to eat rocks. Yes, true, true. And so this person goes, well, throwing bacon at cops is a symbolic blah, blah, blah. And that got me annoyed for a few reasons. Number one, the person saying this and ultimately standing up for it says they're vegetarian. Second of all, I think if I recall correctly, they said buying or acquiring or whatever, some Canadian bacon and throwing it at cops to make a statement. And I was like, yeah, alright, yeah, good meme. But also, if you're going and buying bacon and then, for lack of a better phrase, wasting that bacon by throwing it at cops who don't care, they don't care if you're throwing meat at them. They don't appreciate the point. They don't care. In my personal opinion, you take I'll get to this in a second because I am calling it food. If you take food and then waste it at a protest or whatever like that, I think it's kind of a slap in the face if you're doing it in a place especially when there's someone that's hungry right next to you. Also, when it's something like bacon or a meat product or whatever, it's kind of like making a mockery to me. Now, people need to understand, I came to leftism through animal rights. It's my longest running cause. To me, and the point I was making coming from me, was that when you do something like that with an animal product, pig or whatever, you're also making a mockery of the animal that died and suffered for that. The person that I'm having this exchange with has known me for probably five years maybe. I consider them a friend. They definitely know where I stand on things. This back and forth goes on and on. I was like, it's wasting food. He starts quote tweeting me. Now, if this was a good faith discussion, if this was actually just us disagreeing and trying to get our points across, he would have kept it in the thread or moved it to DMs. That's my opinion. But instead, he started quote tweeting me and making me out to be a hypocrite. I made my points saying that I think it's a waste of food. You wouldn't waste water in front of someone who was thirsty, I would hope, at a protest. You'd give them the water. It was just going against what I was saying. I'm not saying that I'm indefinitely right. I'm fine with being wrong. I was making my points. I was backing them up with my beliefs and my opinion. I was making my point. He started quote tweeting me, accusing me of protecting slaughterhouses. He said that putting bacon on cops is good and just actually. He said it lines up logistically with animal rights activism. I said, alright, how does it do that? How does it align with animal rights activism? Instead of answering me, he quote tweeted me asking that question saying that it throws the murderous meat back in their faces. I was like, alright, but it doesn't though. Just hit the cops with some fake blood or something like that. They kill us and they kill dogs. Get them with something more related to that. He just continued by me saying that I guess he was implying that I was protecting slaughterhouses or something. It was getting to the point where it was just bad faith. He called me out for calling bacon food. He's like, well, you don't eat sentient beings so what is it, Ted? Pick a side. You're like a vegetarian. What are you talking about? It was annoying and it was definitely something that didn't need to happen but it also definitely hurt me because this person has known me for years and they've had some questionable takes in the past few weeks. I think I've been the only one to be like, hey, that's not 100%. I don't know if you want to say that. Even when they were talking about something that they referred to as corporate bulimia and that is why I was like, oh, let's not equate eating disorders and or mental illness and or other things. Let's not equate that to the evils of capitalism and corporations. Yeah. That's the kind of stuff I've been saying. This is nothing new but I guess he just got sick of me and was trying to make an example out of me over the stupidest reason or the worst way. I think he pretty much just proved my points and he has lost a friend today. It's a bummer. It didn't have to happen but you can't get your own engagement with the personality of Boiled Celery. You have to quote tweet me to farm engagement and be like, hey, look at this stupid idiot. Look at what she's saying and I'm like, I'm literally not saying that. Show me where I said it and instead of answering me, you're trying to pwn me more. It just makes him look more pathetic than me being wrong. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. When it comes to disagreeing with friends or whatever, it's fine. I can disagree with people. I can have fun with people and I can take people criticizing what I say but when you come at me at bad faith and accuse me basically of supporting something that I've been pretty against for almost two decades at this point, it cuts a little deeper and I'm just not going to put up with it. Bye. Sucks, but bye. Yeah, and I mean to quote tweet someone and in that quote tweet not put forth one, any kind of effort and two, any kind of argument to prove otherwise, what's the purpose of the quote tweet other than to try to get a dog pile, you know? Right. I asked two questions. He accused me of protecting slaughterhouses and stuff like that. I said okay, show me where I said that and if you're gleaning that from what I'm saying then you're a fucking idiot. Show me where I said that and also when he said it aligns with animal rights activism, which as far as I know he has never been involved in. I'm like okay, well how does it align with it? Please tell me about this. And he didn't answer either question and instead just quote tweeted me to his followers to try and make me look bad and he does have a history of quote tweeting women to make them look stupid but we're going to overlook that because it's documented. But it's one of those things where it's like, you know, I really supported him in the past and recently I have not really liked what he has said. He has stanned a politician which makes no sense to me as an anarchist. And it's just one of those things where it was kind of like just a bummer to see what he had been saying over the past few weeks and I did push back and there were a couple times where he's like well let's agree to disagree on a topic and I'm like fine. And then he keeps replying but I'm like alright. Then there were a couple times where he deleted what he originally said because he got some pushback from an outside party and this was his hill that he decided was accusing me of protecting slaughterhouses and people that kill animals I guess. So yeah. I'm still trying to understand how being against throwing bacon at cops is support of slaughterhouses. Exactly. It's not. Yeah, that's counterintuitive. That's very backwards. So don't come at me with your degree and your fancying yourself as an academic or an intellectual and how your logic and your very smart and then do that. Like that is a reach and a half. So not only does it just show me that he was just trying to make me look bad but he is like incapable of like arguing on his own merit. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, just trying to prove that he's right when he's very wrong. It's like a baby crying. Right. You know? Right. Or the old joke, I'm not owned, I'm not owned and I'm not mad kind of thing. Emotional damage! And while it looks like this stupid online tiff or whatever, it does actually genuinely hurt me because this is someone that was a friend and this is how they chose to show me what they think of me. This is how they decided to do it. Yeah. But whatever. Not sure where he's going to get his content now that he can't actually rip off what I say but it's fine. It's fine. And if it seems like I'm being petty I am because I'm hurt. And this all just happened like an hour ago. It's just one of those things. I am a flawed human but I'm also not holding myself out to be a professional or that I'm above being hurt. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's perfectly acceptable to be hurt. I mean, I know in the grand scheme of things, five years isn't exactly a very long time but in Twitter years it's a freaking eon. You know? But to have something like that and for them to just not even methodically just very easily push it aside and be like, yeah, I'm proving to you how much you don't matter to me. And how much you've never mattered. You know, like I said, that's his choice. It didn't have to happen that way. If it was something that he actually wanted to hash out or understand where I was coming from based on my political and animal rights background and how I'm looking at it if he really wanted to have a discussion about that he has my email. If he DM'd, he could have kept it in the thread. But instead he chose to not answer my questions and instead try to dunk me. Which just makes him look worse. Not me. Anyway. Well, I mean, at least you know where you stand now. It's true. Because it was primarily me pushing back at the takes that he's been having lately. And part of that is because I do hold him to a higher standard concerning his credentials and his supposed experience and expertise. I hold him to a higher standard than like Joe Schmell. So when I see him talking shit, I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, maybe you don't want to do that. Maybe you want to step back and think about the people that are being affected by the language you're using because it's not the politicians or the system or corporations that are going to read what you're saying. You know what I mean? It's your friends and family or whoever. And some of those friends and family are dealing with things like eating disorders and mental illness and for you to equate evil doings of a messed up system to what they don't have a choice to have to fight is really dismissive. And if anything, it shows to me that this person is potentially not a practical anarchist. Because a practical anarchist wouldn't say things like that. A practical anarchist would not double down on wasting food. They would at least try and see reason, see both sides. Even if they didn't agree with me, they'd be like, okay, yeah, you kind of have a point. This is academic anarchism talking. You're unaffected and you can't look across the aisle or next to you and see someone that is dealing with this stuff. That's it. That's my opinion. Like, you know, like I said earlier, it would make sense to use things that are already spoiled as opposed to, you know, brand new food because at least it's spoiled. But, I mean, even in the grand scheme of things, historically speaking, yes, food throwing has always been a thing at protests. Again, I argue that it wasn't fresh fruit and vegetables that was being thrown. I know that eggs have been thrown at protests before. I also know that there have been donuts and a fishing pole. And, like, these are things that would make sense. But the eggs especially goes back to your ideals of that's a fetus. Well, not really. I don't think an egg is a fetus. It's still food, but it shouldn't be food, I guess is what I'm trying to say. It comes from an animal. And this is also, back in the day when we would do home demos against vivisectors, we did some, and those are fucking nice homes, okay, those are like beachfront property, and they don't want a bunch of animal rights activists blocked out with signs and chanting in front of their yard. There was a time when some kid from somewhere, I don't know, I don't know if they were affiliated with one of the, I don't know, I think they were just a shit, came and started egging us. And it's like, as you can imagine, vegans don't like to be egged. But one of my friends actually stepped in front of us and started batting the eggs away with his sign, so really he got the brunt of it and he will forever have my heart for that. It's like, yeah, rotten food or just trash, throw it at them, stuff it down their shirt, whatever. But when you're specifically talking about getting edible items, even though I don't eat it, someone else does. Some people have to. It's just, in my opinion, it's wasteful and irresponsible. And you're going to argue for that as a vegetarian and someone who supposedly cares about climate change and the ravages of animal agriculture on climate change, and you're going to come at me. You just prove that you don't actually stand for what you say you stand for. And that in turn makes me question every fucking thing you say that you stand for. I can't trust you now if you're going to be next to me in a protest or whatever, you're probably going to be fucking recording me. I don't trust you now. So it was just a big bummer. If you want to throw stale donuts at cops, I don't fucking care. But when you're going and getting food or getting something that someone literally is dying for, both in the sense of making the food and people starving on the streets, that just shows me that you are disconnected from community care and from the reality of a lot of people living in the country. And it all has like a domino effect on how I see you as an anarchist or whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I am sorry that that's happened. I hope that they come to their senses at some point and realize what was absolutely wrong of them to say or to put into words, I guess, because I personally don't know if this is a salvageable friendship or not after this, but damn, that's really fucking egregious, man. It's a really dumb argument to have. You're like pointing at me saying, wow, look at her. She's an idiot. She's a hypocrite and this is why. And I'm like, no, I'm not. And he's like, well, yeah, you are because blah, blah, blah. But I'm not. And it's all there. It's not like any of this happened in secret. It's all there for anyone that wants to look at it and read it and see what I was saying versus where I was coming from. Whatever. But it was pretty annoying. So yeah, I don't know if ego and pride will allow him to apologize. If he decides to do that and reach out to me via email, then I will decide at that time whether or not I want to even reply to it. One good way of apologizing, though, is sending money to my dog's GoFundMe for his eye procedure. That would be a nice gesture. Hey, just for anybody else listening, it would be a nice gesture, period. For anyone. To give money for Benji's eyes, okay? You don't have to apologize. This is just friendly, hey, go get that eye fixed. Way to go, Benji. Right. So that's just kind of like, it's one of those things where it's going to have to, sometimes it's going to have to pass to see just what comes of it. We'll see. Because I did block this person and then they did a mutual block to me, which makes no sense, but okay. As far as I know, they were still quote tweeting and talking shit, but... Man, just tweeting through it, huh? Yeah, I guess. Like, I don't know, you need to go write about it in your Tumblr or something. Like, I don't know what it was about this particular disagreement. Because we've, you know, we've clashed before. I don't know what it was about this particular one. If maybe he was just having a hard day or I just focused in on something that he didn't appreciate or whatever. You know, I don't know what it was. But, oh well. It definitely sounds like a bruised pride thing. Just because you don't typically lash out against somebody who you consider a friend. So, yeah, this seems to me like maybe there was definitely something more to it, but the rest of it is just bruised pride. Yeah. And I mean, it can't be easy to tout your credentials and stuff like that and then like, I'm just like a gutter snipe. I don't have much of a higher education. I went to like a vocational college, right? Which is fine and good. I'm not shitting on it at all to anyone. If anyone wants to turn that around on me, I definitely am not. I'm not like a university person. I don't have works under my belt. I'm not anything like that. But I do feel like I do have a connection to actual life. And I know it can't be easy for someone to just come up from the dregs and be like, I disagree with this and this is why. I know that can't be easy, but part of putting your own work and your own theory out there is understanding that it's going to be critiqued and that not everyone who disagrees with you is doing a paid hit job on Amazon or is jealous of you. It's just something that happens when you put what you think and what you care about out there. That's how it is. That's what information exchange is. That's what experience exchange is. That's what cultural exchange is. You put these pieces of yourself out there and not everyone is going to be like, oh wow, that's great. Thank you. Not everyone is going to be like that. How many humans are there now? Billions. Not everyone is going to love you or agree with you. That's something you have to consider. There's no way in the world for even your closest friends to agree with everything that you say. That's impossible. You might get a semi-agreement and think that it's a full agreement, but they're probably just like, I agree with the food part. Let's go get lunch or something like that. It's not a complete like, oh yeah, you're 1,000%. It's just one of those things that happened. Honestly, considering this person also puts out other personal works that are critiqued that not everyone likes, I just figured that it's all par for the course. People are going to disagree with you. They're not going to like what you say or what you do. Sometimes those people are your friends. I was just like, hey, literally, I was like, nah, just use rocks. And then it was like, oh, bacon, and now you're defending slutterhouses and the kettle calling the pot black. I'm like, what the what that means. All right, Guy. In my opinion, the way that this conversation turned, this has changed so drastically so quickly because you're talking about tactics, things to use to throw at cops. You mentioned rocks, and that should blossom into, oh yeah, if somebody brings a sledgehammer, we could take apart the asphalt. Not, oh, so you want all food to be banned from protests, and then blowing it up into something it was never about? Right. If you read it and how it turned and stuff like that, it's clearly, there's something personal there. There's clearly something personal. Yeah. And other people were getting in touch with me saying, well, I don't know if I should say anything because it does seem personal. There is something personal there. It's happening in a public forum, so that means that anyone can say anything. Yeah, it was just like this really bizarre and sad thing. Like, oh, yeah, cool, great. And so I'm like, you know, whatever. I had to, like, rage-clean the dishes, and then, you know, so it's just one of those things. You don't want to have misplaced anger, and it's better to take things out on inanimate objects. Yeah, but I just thought it was funny that he's like, you're calling them food? I thought you don't eat animals because they're sentient and you don't eat them. And I'm like, really, dude? This is an accepted term among everyone to understand what I am talking about. Right. It is okay to call it food in this context. Right. Some vegans don't won't. That's not me. I've said it in the past. I didn't, like, flip up and say it once. I've said it in the past. Anyway, I don't want to linger on this too much longer. I just want to thank you, Rev, and anyone listening for letting me talk about this because it's just one of those things where it's like, it's fine to disagree, but then there is, like, a point, and it's usually clear as day, where it just turns to bad faith. 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