Mando Bonus Ep 6 The Tragedy with Shane Blamer

The host of the Star Wars podcast is discussing Season 2 of The Mandalorian with a different guest each week. They talk about Episode 6, "The Tragedy," and discuss the planet Tython and its connection to the Jedi. They also talk about Ahsoka, who is a former Jedi and her decision not to train Grogu. They mention the child's growing powers and the strong force connection on certain planets. They highlight how The Mandalorian appeals to both dedicated Star Wars fans and newcomers. Welcome to It's True, all of it, we're a Star Wars podcast. I'm your host, the Zarbologist, and I will be providing you with bonus episodes to celebrate Season 2 of The Mandalorian by talking about an episode with a different person each week. Take note, this episode contains spoilers, so if you're not up to date, please stop listening now. Let's get on with the show. Hello, today I have another very special guest again, a good friend of mine, Shane Blamer, to chat about The Mandalorian, Season 2, Episode 6, which is Chapter 14, The Tragedy, directed by Robert Rodriguez, who also did Sin City, and a few other things that I don't really know a lot about. Hi, how are you going today, Shane? I'm excellent, how are you? Yep, really well, on a lovely evening of seeing another episode of The Mandalorian, only two more to go, and once again, it was just so awesome to see a lot of fun action. Yeah, I loved it, yeah, I'm excited, just come up watching it, so yeah, it's all fresh. Yeah, exactly, and I've got to say, the beginning was pretty cool, as they're going to the planet Tython, where Grogu, now we know the child's name, maybe you heard his name, child, Grogu, Python, for an ancient Jedi temple tower, and it kind of reminded me of Stonehenge, which was kind of pretty cool. That's, it's like you're reading my notes, because yeah, I had that, as well. My first thought was like, are we going to like Luke's little island, sort of getaway? Is it going to be a familiar place? Because I don't know what that Mike Tyson island's all about. But yeah, so coming in fresh, and then the establishing shots, I was like, yeah, all right, this is a Stonehenge kind of vibe, a mythical sort of place, and yeah, we're going to see something interesting. Yeah, it's kind of cool, because apparently there's a few places around the galaxy, like I was discussing this with Mark on the previous episode, saying that where did the Jedi actually originate from? Like, was it Coruscant? Was it this place, Tython? Because it's like an ancient religious Jedi site. Also, Arcto, where we saw Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi, and a few others that I can't think on the top of my head. But that sort of makes sense, because I relate it back to, say, the Kerma, who, you know, Ankh-Wat, they built that. You got the Egyptians, the Romans, you got the Incas, the pre-Incas, like sometimes it's different times around the world, but similar times, but building the same things, but not knowing of it, because you can't. Yeah, but it's like classic, right? Like Druids, I guess, and Stonehenge, but it could be set in any kind of time. It could be 7000 BC, it could be any planet, any sort of culture could do that. Yeah, and it could have started up at different times, exactly. But I thought it was quite funny when the Mando was calling Grogu's name, he'd go, Grogu, Grogu, because he's now learnt his name, and he's turning. I don't know, yeah, it took me a little bit to get used to it. And he also says kid as well. He started off calling him child, the other child this and that, and then he had the more affectionate name, calling him the kid this, the kid that. I think he's trying to be respectful, and it's trying to be a deeper connection to actually use his name, and get the audience used to the name. But I'm not used to the name yet. No, I'm kind of not either. I don't think a lot of people are, and it sounds kind of weird, but I think it'll grow on me, hopefully. Yeah, I'm sure it will. And it's like the first time you hear any other foreign name, and then a year later, you're like, what were we even worried about? I named just a name, it doesn't really matter, it's just a label, right? Exactly. Well, I think we'll get used to it from now on, because it got used a few times in that episode, and from now on it will, from Amanda, because he knows his name. And I think he was trying to, yeah, as you said, bring the deeper connection, and realizing that from the previous episode, Ahsoka's saying, you've got a connection with him, and he's sort of saying, hey, I'm too powerful to train your kids, so I'm going to harm you off to these guys to train you, trying to do the right thing. Yeah, I had some questions about that. Yeah, go for it. This week's episode, so. Yeah, is she like a fully fledged Jedi? Like, I don't, I didn't follow Clone Wars, and I'm not really up with where she's up to. That's perfect. Does she have apprentices, or? It's good to ask, and it's good to, yeah, we're all here having fun, and it's getting a bigger galaxy, and there's a lot to keep up with, keeping up with the Joan Jones Jedi's. Okay, so. The Joan Jedi's. Well, way back, listeners, Shane and I did go see the Clone Wars movie in 2008, and I had the shock of my life to find out that Anakin's what, going to have an apprentice, but you can't, he's already an apprentice. It didn't make sense, so they were just breaking the rules, but they were making entertainment, and over those years, little did I know and realize that Ahsoka, she grew up over the seven-year period, also, of Clone Wars, and into Rebels, and she's been an influence and a very popular character. Ashley, who voices it, she's just amazing. Now, at the end of, so she was training to become a Jedi, so she was always a Padawan, and then one of the episodes, The Lost Jedi, like, they use a sort of a similar scene where, what's that one in Harrison Ford, when he jumps, he's in the sewers, and he jumps down, he's getting chased away, but the fugitive, they use, like, a similar shot to that in it, which is kind of like a callback, but basically, she left the Jedi Order, and then she went to the underground of Coruscant, so really off it, so I suppose she, it was strange, because then again, they put the new Clone Wars episodes, and she came back in to have a deal with Maul and help out or something, but she still, at the end, gave away her lightsabers, like, she had blue, she had green ones, and then blue ones, and now she's got these white ones, so it's interesting what type of kyber that is, that we've got another colour kyber, we had a yellow kyber from Rey, you know, in the end of Frozen Skywalker, so I'm getting excited about the colours, but anyway, long story short, she is, left the Jedi Order, and she probably just went in hiding, and I think you're going to find Jedis that are going to be scattered around the galaxy, like Luke was the one that could, who did help get Vader to bring balance to the Force, but all the others, Jedis, were probably not as strong as him to face Vader or hide from Palpatine or something, who knows, but yeah, does that sort of help you, so she's just, she is a Jedi? I think so, yes, so she's sort of left the Order, it's like being, like, a non-practicing Christian or whatever, and you're like, you need no position to train up the next people in the teachings, like, they didn't lean into that with the last episode, I didn't think, they more went with what you mentioned just before, which was like, the power, just doesn't make sense that I would train some child that was so powerful already, it seemed like the storyline that they were going for was more of that, like, I'm not touching this with the temple, oh, this is out of my league, but I think, I don't know, the better story seems to be, like, she's not wanting to bring up people in the Order at the moment, because she's not part of it at the moment, because she's kind of left it. Oh, the other thing too, so because she was the Padawan to Anakin Skywalker, and through Red Bull, she's seen Anakin go to the dark side to become Darth Vader, she noticed how powerful Grogu was, Grogu, Grogu was, and she's realizing that he's got an attachment to the Mandalorian, so she's like, I'm not going to do this, because I know where this is going to go, yeah, so that, yeah, that makes sense, so that's where she's from, yeah. So I think, yeah, in this episode, the tragedy, we see much more of the child's powers, like, we've seen, like, kind of lifting little things, and now it's about to get, it's escalating quickly. Yeah, like, Grogu sat on the, let's see what it's called, a seeing stone, yeah, seeing stone, and he's saying, are you seeing anything, or are they supposed to see you, and maybe it must be such a deep connection with Jedis over the generations, and that's why it's got that strong force power, it's like Dagobah, just to give you a bit of education, Dagobah has a powerful, strong connection to the force, and Qui-Gon Jinn trained Yoda to become like a force ghost, and he took Yoda to Dagobah to say, this has got a strong connection with the force, so there must be certain areas around the world, so obviously this, yeah, so that's why he's sitting on that stone, and that's why he can generate that energy, so that's just to help you, to give you an idea, to make sense of that, and this is exciting too, because like, I might explain certain things to people, because as both of us know, we listen to a wonderful, amazing podcast called Stuff You Should Know, and they advertise the Mandalorian, which is really cool, and it goes, and what about BB Yoda, and they're saying, you don't even have to be like a big Star Wars fan to enjoy it, and that's the thing, like, I want people to, if you're enjoying it, just watch it, and I've noticed a huge bunch, an amazing amount of my friends that were not as much into Star Wars as me at all, like, they might have watched the movies, they're just watching this, episode after episode, with their kids, and then it's like, yeah, ask them questions, and like, if, you know, they don't understand something, you don't have to go back to Clone Wars, they'll just give you all the information, they'll go to Wookieepedia, I'll help you out. I think they've done so well with the writing, particularly in this episode, where there's lots of easter eggs, there's lots of connections to the past, you're immersed in the universe, then you're picking up on layers of what's going on, and for people who've been more naive, with less of knowledge coming in, it's still great writing, like, you're not exactly sure where the story's going, but you feel in safe hands, like, a lot of the episodes, they follow a sort of plot that's familiar enough, if you've watched Westerns, or if you watch, I don't know, other sci-fi series, there's certain themes that are coming along, and so I feel like the plot each episode unfolds in a way that someone who doesn't have a background in the characters, and in the universe, can follow it along superficially, and people like yourselves, that are really immersed in the culture of it all, can pick up on how well-researched the writers have, you know, they've gone down the rabbit hole, and they've put lots, it's a very intense show, I guess, a dense show, I guess is the word I'm looking for, there's a lot going on, and I know a lot of it's within the house to me, yeah, which is, I've already watched the episodes, I'm like, there was a lot in that episode, yeah, and I think because Dave Filoni, he worked with George Lucas, so he knows how George Lucas vision is, and he's seen how George Lucas had all these characters, so like back in the Clone Wars, they brought Darth Maul back to life, because he died in A Fan of Menace, and then people see him in Solo, what's going on here, because they don't know the full story, but Dave Filoni knows all the ins and outs, and that's why he's bringing these characters in, but he's making it fit, and you go, yeah, cool, okay, fair enough, Ahsoka was hiding during that whole Empire time, and another character you don't know about, Bo-Katan, was in episode three, she was from the Clone Wars, loves her, amazing, and that made sense where she came in, and he's also still bringing back these characters, so did you notice that we had Fennec, who was, she was in episode five or six in the series, season one, she was, yeah, yeah, she was gonna be a bounty hunter on her, and then, and not only that, we see Slave One come in, in the daylight, which looked really cool, and Boba Fett, yeah, yeah, an amazing reveal, like just blending what's going through your mind, when you're watching Mandalorian, is all your Boba Fett kind of, like imagery, from the, seeing him in the films, from, yeah, probably all the books that you've read, that I haven't, so, like all these Mandu episodes have that undercurrent, of connecting back with these and these characters, yeah, and to see, yeah, original actors, reprise roles, and the original armor, and yeah, the original ship, it's, yeah, they really know how to play on those heartstrings, knocked out a very exciting, really. Yeah, it was so cool, and it was so cool that Boba Fett was, it was just amazing to know that he had survived the Sarlacc, like, we obviously got the confirmation in the first episode, because we could tell it was him, in the Tusken Raider outfit, but just to know that, I don't know, somehow he got his ship, so maybe when he, however he survived, it's all a mystery, but hey, it's okay, he can survive, he's got the Beskar armor, like, they protect everything, so no wonder why he survived. He's looking pretty beat now. Yeah, so he might have copped a beating, and copped some sun, and whatever else, but he's still in action, and it would make sense, too, with the actor, with his age, so Boba Fett was eight, or nine, or ten, or something like that, in Attack of the Clones, which is 23 years before A New Hope, and then Return of the Jedi, add on another three years, so you've got 26 years, and then add on another eight years, because this is eight years after Return of the Jedi, so we're doing our mathematics equation again, 33, 34 years, whatever, so. 33 and 40 years. Yeah, 44, 44 years old, and he's probably about 50, so that works out, so yeah, that's pretty funny. Yeah, he had some interesting lines, like my father before me line, I really liked, was quite deep, and I loved him when he said, I was aiming for the other ship, or whatever that line is. Oh, yeah, yeah, because you're aiming for the two ships, and you got him, but he was aiming for the one further up. He didn't look like it, because he was, he, he, I thought it makes sense. He was joking. Yeah, all right, okay. But we, you know, I'll make that 7-10 split in bowling. Yeah, the good thing when he said, like my father before me, because he said, I'm a simple man making his way in the galaxy, like my father before me, so it's like you've got, like my father before me, the classic line, Return of the Jedi, and then you've got a now I knew, well, not knew, nearly 18, 19 years ago, Attack of the Clones, a simple man making his way in the galaxy, because he said that same line, and so I think that was cool that they put them together, and it's just great. They really know how to do it properly, stitch it together really well. What's the, I have some more questions. Yeah, go for it. That weapon that he has, it's like a gaffy stick. Is that something they've invented for this episode, or? It's a gaffer, gaffer or gaffy stick or something. I've got a, sorry listeners, I'll have to repronounce that, or I'm just going by the top of my head. When I got the figure, or I still got the figures, original and new figures of the Tusken Raiders, they have exactly that same stick. So that's a Tusken Raider stick that they used, so because he was being disguised as a Tusken Raider, and he still had all those weapons, so he was using that weaponry, and far out, how full on and violent was he using it, like bits of armour coming off the Stormtroopers, and smashing the bucket heads, and like wincing. Yeah, excellent choreography in this series, like I've never seen the Stormtroopers move so kind of comfortably. I just think the choreography of all the shootouts, and the fight scenes, the hand-to-hand combat, and the swords, the lightsabers, all that, all that sort of stuff is not much. It's like, I don't know, it reminds me of when I saw that Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon movie, like that's just summing up that style of martial arts, you know, the Cantonese cinema or whatever, but with a modern sort of take on it. So all the camera angles, all the cuts, everything looks very realistic. It looks like the actors are doing those moves, when in a lot of cases, of course, they're not, they're stunt people. Yeah. And I think it's just, and I feel like I can see what's going on. In a lot of action movies, I'm sort of lost, because the camera's moving so quickly, and it's like a video clip. I can't really see the skill of the performers, but yeah, all that stuff with the ice hockey stick thing, custom radar weapon, I thought was excellently put together. It was making me excited in a way that I'm usually bored in those kind of shootout scenes, and in other movies, in other TV series. I think they're doing a good job of making it energetic and exciting. I agree. It's just, it was set out so well, and when they were just running out of the ship, like a look at everyone, oh, that looks kind of a bit animated, because it's moving really fluidly. They might have put a touch in there, who knows, but like, it still looked good. I'm not saying it looked fake or anything. We're just going to take such a short, funny little break, and we'll be back in a few moments after a message from one of our sponsors. Kiarimandi, red wine, it's the best red wine. Sharky, you're injured. Oh, don't worry about it, Kiarimandi. I'll just relax and have a nice cup of tea. No, you need something stronger. Have one of my red wines. Kiarimandi red wine, it's the best red wine. Kiarimandi red wine, it's the best red wine. One of the scenes when Fennec, that's the assassin or the one that, you know, she actually showed that she survived, she opened up her stomach with- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, so she's, Boba Fett obviously saved her and made her into some bit of a cyborg when she opened up her stomach, so that's why she's alive, because she was apparently, you know, she's a dead in the desert. But when she was running away from one of the big guns, well, we get to see more of those stormtroopers using that big gun. You see it once in Empire Strikes Back when they're getting ready to, you get, again, and then they were shooting and she was just running away from it and it reminded me of a scene of the last action hero of Arnold running away when he's on top of that building and like there's some, there's a mob or a gang, so all the grannies and everyone are getting out their guns and he's just running. It just reminded me of the same thing. I'm like, it just, I don't know, because sometimes they, any film or action sequence, sometimes they kind of copy from something, you know, for inspiration. It's not so much that it's copying, it's just setting the scene. It's still setting that story and they might use a bit of the same action, so it'll be... You've got to take what works, right? Yeah, but it's just like... Work in that context, so it's got to work here. Yeah, I love that laser cannon thing or whatever. I think that was really cool. I didn't get why they were using that mortar or whatever, they were like firing. I'm like, that's not going to hit them. You've only got three enemies. Why are you lobbing up these like mortars or whatever? And then they got back to the laser cannon. I'm like, that makes sense. And then they went back to the mortar and I'm like, but that's not working. Like, that's so stupid. But then they used it to kind of disrupt the landscape and the boulder thing happened. So that actually knew what they were doing. But I was like, these Doctor Triggers are using heavy artillery. They're just wasting money and someone should tell and just use what works. But it made the storyline go forward. So I was like, that's fine. And the fun thing with this is like, if you're putting this in a movie, which I guess you can, you know, you've got a two hour movie, so you've got plenty of time to tell a story. But this one was... It still moved the story forward, but it wasn't so focused on a lot of detail, because a lot of it was the action. And I reckon that's great too. Like, it's awesome, like you're watching this entertainment and it's sitting in, there's a reason for it, they're going after them. And I kind of enjoy because sometimes you got, like the previous one was a bit more in depth. So it's just nice to have, oh, now this is just a bit more action or something. So... I really enjoy it. This has been one of my favourite episodes. Um, definitely one of my favourite episodes in this season. And I think you're right. Like, to me, it's felt like, um, a lot of the other episodes, they work because they have a beginning, middle and end to the episode. And I think this episode was so exciting and interesting to me, because it just all felt like middle. And I kind of liked it that it didn't so much stand alone. It seems like some kind of connective tissue kind of episode, where major plot points came forward, like, um, the child's powers really escalated. I think that's, and then we saw Bob up. They seem like they made a little gang of three now, of like, created equal warriors. So it did propel us forward. And I think important things happened. But I kind of liked the fact that it didn't open up on a new planet with a new problem to solve that they kind of, like, struggled with. And then by the end, they just take off in their ship because they've solved that one. Like, that style of episode works sometimes, but I think I prefer today's one. Yeah, it's like, we were talking about it, that he's got the child, he knows now he's got it, he's got Grogu, and he's got to give it to the Jedi at the end of season one. But then each time he was trying to get it closer to where he's got to take it to the Jedi, like the first episode, he had to help the guy with the Crayate Dragon. And then in the second one, he had to deliver, he had to go to the planet, but he had to deliver someone with passenger, he had a bit of problems getting there. And the next one, he's fine at a planet, and then he had to help the other Mandos with their issue to, for them to help him. And then he finally makes it to the Jedi planet, where he sees Ahsoka, and then she can't train him, and he's thinking, oh, God, it's just like, he's just not getting anywhere. And then he finally gets there. And then the baby gets taken, but it's not like he had to help anyone. It was a bit, yeah, it wasn't the same story. And it was refreshing. Yeah, I noticed that I didn't know where it was going in this episode. I actually, in the last episode as well. But in yeah, in this episode, I was enjoying the fact, well, this could go in any kind of direction. And then there's dark troopers that want to snatch the child. So more questions. Do they like, because I haven't really seen them have those little astro boy kind of rocket thing. Is that something that just appears elsewhere in the universe? Yeah, this is what's called the expanded universe. You know, that one, the EU. The EU, not that EU. Yeah, the other EU, in the Star Wars universe, not in the actual real world of Earth. Dave Filoni likes the expanded universe, and he's bringing these characters in. So he's, as you mentioned, the character, Grand Admiral Thrawn. So he'll probably be in one of the episodes. These people are just in, that have been popular in books, that people have known for the years, early 90s, mid 90s, that type of era, late 90s, when they were writing a lot of books, not long after Return of the Jedi. And then obviously that kept continuing on all the way through with the prequels. And then by the time they got to the sequels, they deleted it all to say, so we can write these new movies and it won't clash or anything. And so I think all those people that love the expanded universe books so much can now enjoy those characters. They're coming in, they have come into Rebels and a few things. So they were from that, that's where they came from. So they actually may be in this story. We don't know a lot about them. Sorry? They fly like that? Yeah, I can't remember because I didn't really get into that much side of the expanded universe with these dark troopers. And I couldn't even remember what they looked like or the fly. So it didn't, it wasn't giving me any nostalgia, but it would give a lot of other fans nostalgia, like Samus or Sophie. Yeah, she's cool. But other people go, oh wow, that's amazing. Or Bo-Katan for me is like, oh, this is cool. So it's pleasing everyone. And Boba Fett's going to please everyone. So Filoni's really trying to, he's not trying to please everyone, he's loving it. He's got the, he's putting himself, he's going to make it good. And yeah, so I think they must have been able to fly, but who knows what Moff Gideon must have just recently created these things. And maybe they're, we're going to know, we're going to learn a lot about them. And are they droids or? I don't know. I really don't know. Yeah, we don't know. Because I thought, I saw like, they might be part droid or they seem very mechanical in that way. So what happens then? Then we'll get the child captive up on the ship. Yeah. And it was kind of just sort of fast forwarding back to the end that how Grogu was torturing the Stormtroopers. I don't know why he would do that if they were doing something. He's blood choking them right in front of each other. He put him up to that. Was he doing that because the Stormtroopers were trying to hurt him? Did somebody- Did he learn something when he was in the shaft of light at Stonehenge? Is he sending out a signal like to the Jedi, I'm here, I'm one of you, come and get me, because I'm a child and I need to learn your ways and someone needs to look up to me because I'm a kid. Or is he tapping into some knowledge, some deep knowledge that Jedis share across time somehow without having to speak? Like, does he know that how aggressive and how evil Stormtroopers are or something? So I had that thought, maybe he'd learnt it through the shaft of light. I don't know if I'm just making it up. Yeah, who knows? Maybe he did, as well as got a lot of knowledge from that sacred seeing stone thing, like getting knowledge. That's another way of saying knowledge. And at the same time, trying to use the tower to get reception to call out to all the other Jedis. Maybe a bit of both, but I don't know what happened in there. Maybe those Stormtroopers hurt him and he was protecting himself and he was always pushed or they knew what buttons to push for him to go to use the dark side to use that choking and hurt them that bad, because Moff Gideon's going, wow, good, look at him go. So Moff Gideon's done something, he knows it was just not like him. I'm so sad, I don't want him to- Yeah, it was very surprising. I enjoyed it. It's like, I guess kids are breaking things, like they realize they have some kind of power and they just don't know why they should have any restraint, because I think that maybe comes with age and like to not be animalistic with your sort of impulses and to take your time and think things through before you act on them. I don't know if he was being childlike or if he was being aggro, because that power sort of corrupts him to the dark side. So was it a naive thing or was it him just playing or was it like some dark force? Did he learn something from his experiences on the planet? Getting in contact with Jedi, presumably, who knows? Yeah, they've left the mechanism in a really interesting way, I think. Yeah, and I feel maybe it's sort of like a defense mechanism, absolutely. And it's like he's a baby for 50 years and we don't know a lot about his species. So you know how we know the development of your baby, one, two, three, four-year-old, and you just have that constant thing of development. Maybe his species has a lot of baby things that are similar to our human ways. So he can't talk and he's like a little baby, but then maybe his brain takes information in and he actually does have the knowledge, but maybe he can't speak it out yet or use it yet. We don't know. Yeah, they can do a lot with that. I wondered when he was in the shaft of light, because he's grimacing and so you see the wrinkles in his forehead of his facial expression. I was wondering if they're going to speed up his aging in that. So he didn't look so cute, but they didn't seem to do that. There's just so much you can do with that character. He is the main character, even though it's called Mando. Mando is sort of like the sidekick to the main character and the main character is a mystery. Engage us. You are right, because the story is about him getting to the Jedi and him getting delivered to the Jedi by the Mandalorian. That's what we're most interested in, I think, like in general. I like all the Mando culture sort of stuff and learn about the Civil War and stuff mentioned in this episode. Mainly, the thrust of it is if the child wasn't there, you'd have to re-find interest in where is this story going? What do we want to find out? Where do we want to take? What is the journey? Where are we going? Like you said, I do like finding out a lot more about the information about the Mandalorians or the Mandalorian Civil War, because as Boba was saying, this is my Beskar armor. I've got it coded in there. It was my father's, Jango, who was a foundling and fought in the Mandalorian Civil Wars. In the prequels movies, we learned that Jango wasn't really a Mandalorian. He just wore the armor. He was like a bounty hunter. That got mentioned again in a bit more detail in the Clone Wars, because Obi-Wan helping out Mandalorian. He goes, I've seen a guy, Jango Fenton. They go, no, he's not one of us. That's still even still more of a mystery. I'm not sure how Filoni is trying to fit that in, but we got told he was a foundling. For yourself, Shane, as you don't know about the Mandalorians, in the Clone Wars, they don't wear the helmets. He's a foundling and they're going from the very, very old ways. It's like the Mandalorians used to be this way and they're hanging on to that old tradition, whereas maybe some of the newer ones, oh, we take our helmets off now. I like that. That was a couple of episodes ago. I enjoyed that because that is the way that sort of these religions and cults give them, where the helmet wearer is and where the not always helmet wearer is. Then you kind of hate each other, but you're still part of the same tribe and it's like family members that don't get along. I think all of that was really good and smart of them to include in this TV show, because that's the way a lot of life is. It is relatable. It's not my way or the highway. There's all kinds of different ways. There's not just a single way. I had a final question on my sheet. Do you think they're going to mention the M units, the midichlorians, or they're just going to call them M units the whole way through to try and make it a separate thing? I don't know. I haven't really- Have you noticed? I don't think they've used the word yet. They haven't. No, they haven't. Because it's like, isn't it like a pretty divisive sort of topic? People didn't really like that concept in the prequel trilogy. Yeah. Look, for me, it's come sort of normal now. Yeah. It's just another part of how the force works. I've really honestly got no issues with that. I've got no issues as well. Yeah. It would kind of make sense to, because a couple of episodes ago, they were talking about how they needed more stuff from the donor, but they can only take so much out of time because he's only a small little baby. It's like when you're giving blood, you can only give 50 or 500 mils or whatever, so that's your midi-calorian count. It's like what Qui-Gon Jinn, where, as you can see in the photo where I stood, where Qui-Gon Jinn was in Tunisia and Tatooine, and he's going midi-calorian count, the big thing. I kind of actually, I liked it. It had something, it just gave it a bit more to make sense rather than people going, oh, it's not so mysterious anymore, but it's sort of like people are chosen ones because they've got that DNA all in them. I never found it controversial, but I know a lot of people did. I can kind of see the point because it kind of makes it more scientific or whatever, and they don't want it to be like that. It's supposed to be sci-fi fantasy. It's not supposed to have to be defensible like hard science, sci-fi. I like it either way. We'll have to stay tuned. Two more episodes, yeah? Yeah, and the thing, as I mentioned before, which is exciting, we got to see Cara June because they went to ask her for some help, so we get another reoccurring character. Well, she wasn't in it much, and we find out that she's now joined the New Republic, which I thought was really cool. At the end, Mandalorian is saying, I need that guy Mayfield to be broken out of prison. Yeah, and they sort of put him in there, and he's in prison because he killed a rebel. Sorry, not a rebel, a New Republic, the jail guy, but you know how they killed him, so that's why they're in jail. Yeah, and that's why if you remember in the episode two, Mandalorian was getting caught by the New Republic, but they said, oh, you made a prisoner escape, but you actually captured some prisoners or something for us. I see. Yeah, they seem to have respect for him. Yeah, so that just means another reoccurring character coming back, Mayfield, which is his name. He'll come back, and it was just good to see Cara June, so exciting. Did you love that character? Did you want to see him back? No, I didn't. I don't really care. I don't really care. Same with Fennec. I wasn't a huge Fennec fan. She's great. She looks pretty cool and holds herself, whatever, but I was more excited about Poppa Fett, and I've always been more excited about Cara June and even that mechanic that was in the... Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, just because she's funny. Yeah, maybe a few others. I can't think of them off the top of my head, but... I feel like Fennec, I like her more after this episode. She's done more, and I'm like, yeah, she's badass. I'd like to see more of her. I think that actor that they're obviously going to jailbreak him and bring him back, it seems like, I think that actor was excellent. I found his scenes really charismatic in that episode, which wasn't really one of my favourites, but he was a pretty unlikable character. The actor did really well, but I'm like, whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just interesting. He's got that little gun thing that's on his shoulder kind of thing. Yeah, and how do you relate to him? But that might be like with Fennec, we actually got to get a bit more to do with that character, so it might be the same thing with Mayfield, who knows? Yeah, dig a bit deeper, show us a bit more. I can easily be converted. Winning me over this series in the very two flat spots or parts that I don't get into, but yeah, this episode is especially good for me. Yeah. Well, I really enjoyed it, to be honest. I could possibly talk more about it, but I think I've said enough. Have you got anything more you would like to say about this episode? I think you've answered all my questions, Michael. Thank you very much for your time. And thank you very much. So much to share with, you know, it's been good. Thank you very much for joining me on the show and have a very good night. Thank you. Goodbye. You too. See you, everyone. Bye. Oh, hello. Are you still here? If you enjoyed that song, you can now find my new album, Star Wars Songs, on YouTube and now available on Bandcamp. Search Zarbologist, S-Z-A-B-O-L-O-G-I-S-T. Until next time, it's true, all of it.