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In this podcast, Alicia and Cass discuss songs that they think suck. They express their frustration with songs that they find stupid and question how they were even produced and played on the radio. They mention the song "Moany Moany" by Tommy James and the Shondells, which makes Alicia angry every time she hears it. They also mention their tendency to sing along and dance to songs that they secretly think suck. They talk about the importance of lyrics in music and how sometimes they don't pay attention to them. They also mention the challenges of listening to inappropriate songs with children in the car. Overall, they emphasize their strong opinions about songs they dislike and acknowledge that their opinions may not be shared by everyone. Hello and welcome to the podcast Songs That Suck, Songs That You Love To Hate. I'm Alicia, my opinions are fact, and I'm going to share a lot of them on this podcast. And here with me is my co-host, Cass Cunliffe. I also feel very qualified for this job, I've been a long time listener of music, I have really good music taste. I mean I would say that all of her opinions are fact when they agree with mine as well. And I've been told that they better align, or else. I might not be close enough to say that, I don't know. I'm not up to a good start anyway, moving on. The unfortunate thing about this podcast, might be many as it develops, but the one that I can say for sure is that we don't have the legal green light to play the songs that suck. That is a big bummer. It's kind of like a, maybe a blessing in disguise, but I feel like, I wish we could take you on this musical journey. Right, and experience that, yeah, with them. Yeah, but that's not possible. So I want you, we want you to pause, we want you to go listen to these songs, so that you have the full understanding and context for what we're about to say, and so you'll understand to a greater level why they suck. I mean you'll probably already know that they suck, but I think we'll probably have such interesting perspectives on it, and like sometimes it's like, I know this sucks, but I don't know why it sucks. I mean, I've got to come clean here, there's going to be songs that I am going to put on It Sucks list, but there's a good chance that I sing along to it in my car, there's a good chance I dance to it alone at my house. I saw, my work does this thing where they will send out a monthly email, and they interview somebody from the company and they give like 10 songs that they recommend, and the guy who gave it on today's email admitted he's like, I love music, he's like I think there's such a connection, and like so much that can come out of it, but he's like I'll be honest, he's like it's more the music part that moves me than the lyrics, and I was like I relate to that so much because there's so many times that I've been singing a song, and sweet Alicia over here will be like, either correct me, because I'm singing stuff that's not worth, we've all done it, so pretend like you haven't, but she'll also be like, I hate that song, do you know what it's about, and I'm like no, I don't have any idea, I can sing the whole song start to finish, but I cannot tell you what it's about. My sister, shout out to Chali, she hates that about me, she says I've ruined a many a song because I pointed out what the words are, but for me it's not like that's not the only important component of music, but it's a really important part for me, I love powerful lyrics, poetic songs, you know, and I am moved by the instruments, by the dancey beat, yeah, I mean I could be, I mean I'll be singing about like the worst trashiest stuff, but I'll just have no clue, and I've had to learn to be very careful about that, having a child in my car, and he really likes to know what songs are about, so he's asking me about what all of the songs are about, and I've come to realize that there's some songs I shouldn't be playing while he's in the vehicle. But have you had good mother-son conversations based on these hard issues that are being brought to your attention through music? I think he's coming to recognize when I'm hiding, I'm trying to hide a word or a lyric from him, because I'll just like sing over it something ridiculous that doesn't make sense, and for me, I'm like if it were me in the back seat as a child, I'd have no clue, because I'm not listening to the lyrics, but he's like, he's wise to it, he's like, his ears perk right up, and he's like, was there a bad word? And so then he's listening even harder, because he wants to hear the bad word, and he wants to be able to peg you with that. Well, remember the Regina Specter song that said a little bag of cocaine? Uh-huh. And we would always say a little bag of pop rocks, which doesn't like flow. It doesn't, but the stuff, I mean, that's the hard thing to substitute, is a lot of times you're just, it's, you're putting it into the song on a whim, so you're not giving it good thought. Yeah, you have to yell it really loud, too, in order for it to mask. And I do. What was I doing today? Oh, well, it was the Backstreet Boys hit, I don't know what it's called, Backstreet's Back, right? It's called that, I'm sure. I'm sure it's the entire first line of the song is the title of the song. It's likely. And the lyric in there is, am I sexual? And like, I forgot it was in there, and I was like getting ready to sing it, and I was like, oh, kid's in the back, and so I sing, is it spiritual? Really loud, and I felt like it was a really good, is it spiritual? Did you sing it in like a sexy voice? I'm, I'm, I don't think I couldn't sing it in a sexy voice. Because that's just you. It's, yeah, it just flows. I'm just dripping. Did it work? I mean, he didn't question it, so. He's a spiritual kid. He is a spiritual kid, so if anything, he's going to probably seek out that song on his own, and then he'll be like, this is a very different version. It doesn't say spiritual at all. That reminds me of one of our friends growing up, where it was, oh, it was instead of, oh, Fiona Apple. I've got my own hell to raise. Oh, yes, I know it's the word hell. Yeah, she would always sing, I've got my own hens to raise. Yes. I think that was pretty genius. Yeah, she was brazen. Would it be a gaggle of hens? Yes. I mean, I know it's a gaggle of geese. It's also a gaggle of hens. Okay. I have no idea. There's a lot of hens in the house. She's our fowl expert. She's our resident bird expert. Yeah, and then a lot of times that just became the new lyric. I didn't remember the old lyric anymore. It was just whatever ridiculous thing we plugged into it. Yeah, so what we're saying is there's trashy music out there, and it might hurt your ears and your sense to hear, but you have the power to change the meaning. Make it your own. Make it your own. But also, I can still recognize that the song sucks and nominate it on the show. Yes, we got a little bit off course for sure. Another thing that we acknowledge is that we're going to make some enemies on the show. It's likely. And my big feeling is you can suck it. I'm sorry that you're wrong. What did I say? My opinions are fact. I'm sorry that I had to be the one to bring this to light. You like terrible music. Exactly, and I feel bad, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of soft 80s rock I'm going to be coming after, a lot of country music, that's going to be a hard one for a lot of people. It's an easy one for me. It's an easy one for me. I feel like I'm already deep breathing in anticipation. Square breathing. We're going to be doing some square breathing. Today, I feel like that's not going to be an issue. Unless Kat's had some surprises up her sleeve about how she feels. We didn't talk in depth beforehand. Yeah, we both know the song the other person's bringing. Which won't always be the case. Right, but we're still on the show. First time. Do you want to go first or do you want me to go first? I think I want you to go first. Okay, fair enough. My song does or is much earlier songs in the context of time. In the context of what? I don't know. I feel like it was coming out really weird. It came out earlier, but let me be clear. Let me be clear. I mean, time related. Not emotionally? Emotionally earlier. I think emotionally, it was right when the world needed it. I don't know. I feel like it didn't ever need it. I can't agree with that statement because this is a song that sucks. Another thing that we talked about when we were talking about songs that suck was a good indicator is if you hear it and it makes you mad. This song from my childhood, every time it came on, I felt anger well up inside of me because I couldn't believe that a song so stupid could be not only recorded but then produced and put out into the world and played over and over again on the radio. So many questions and just a lot of frustration every time I heard this song. So without further ado, the song is Moany Moany by Tommy James and the Shondells. I don't know that I've heard of them truthfully. Well, I definitely hadn't because I think that the version that you and I probably heard was the Billy Idol version. Billy Idol, he has some things going for him, I feel like. I just, this was a misstep in my view. I mean, I'm sure I don't have like a full Billy Idol education, but I think there's a lot of stuff that was amiss for me. With Billy Idol? What about White Wedding? I mean, sure, I'll sing along, I'll dance along to it. I'm never going to pull it up and listen to it on my own. But don't you think that that fits more with his image? I do. Of the like edgy punk rocker. Right. But then Moany Moany, I mean, yeah. And it just has like this extreme, we okay, we listened to both our songs before we started recording. You didn't take extensive notes. But what was, I didn't. Did you have any takeaways from it? Mostly just wondering what was happening in the song? Like, what is this? What is this about? What inspired this song? Why did we need this? I mean, I didn't, I'll be honest, I didn't have a lot of notes. But that doesn't mean that I'm, I'm loving Moany Moany. It didn't inspire anything out of me, one way or the other. I didn't feel I didn't feel like angry, angry about it. Yeah. That's fair. I do. So but I do like that you're left with a question mark, like why? And who? Now just like all the questions. Yes. Right. Is that right? Yeah. Well, I'll tell you why and how and who. So the original words, we're talking like the original creators of this song, Tommy James and the Shondells. I just feel like probably whenever they're going to be announced on the radio is like, and here's Tommy James and the Shondells coming up next. Coming at you hot and heavy. But um, so true story. I get this off of Wikipedia. He said, this is Tommy James speaking, I had the track done before I had a title. What? Excuse me? How do you even name a song like this? I wanted something catchy like Sloopy or Boney Maroney. That is catchy. Mine is catchy. Sloopy. I mean, Boney Maroney is way more catchy. I feel like we're talking about like a canned Italian food. I mean, yeah. Not like a song title. But everything sounded so stupid. Agreed. We agree on something here. So Richie Cordell, I guess that was a member of the band, and I were writing it in New York City. And we were about to throw in the towel. About to give up. This is when all inspiring stories happen, right? Right. We're just done beyond the break of giving up. And then I went out onto the terrace, looked up, found the angel voices, and saw the Mutual of New York building, which has its initials illuminated in red at its top. So that would be M-O-N-Y. Money. Gasp. I said, that's got to be it. Richie, come here. You've got to see this. It's almost as if God himself. Here's the title. I've always thought of that if I had looked the other way, it might have been called Hotel Task. It's not that catchy at all. I mean, in a way, I feel like I'm like desecrating the sacred or something. Well, that's what I was going to say. It makes it hard to like, I mean, it was clearly a spiritual experience for me. It's like making fun of a dead person. I feel like I'm crossing boundaries. It's poor, poor. So there's that. But alas, we'll do it anyway. Now we know why the crap is called Money. Okay, so he said he had the song before. So is this just the instrumentals and he didn't have the lyrics? I guess so. Because all of the lyrics are Money, Money. So I have a hard time understanding literally what exists there prior to this big grand moment. That's a really good point. I wish, however, that it had been, was it Boney Maroney? Boney Maroney. I kind of like Hotel Task. I'd like to see what he could have done with Hotel Task. Hotel Task. I've got my Hotel Task. Like a pony. I think he probably still would have said like a pony. I think, yeah, he probably really wanted to write a song about a pony. So it's lucky that Money just happened because Hotel Task and Pony, I mean, it's so really hard. That's true. I mean, we're inserting our own ideas, but I think it's safe to say that he probably just wanted to make a song about a pony. And in that case, then it really was God sending the message that Money needed to be the adjacent word. Because there's not a lot that rhymes with Pony. But I mean, Pony Island. Pony Island. Tony. Tony. Tony. Well, we did, Johnny and I did kick around some alternate lyrics. Some parodies. Because we had recently watched the word out maybe. Right. So Tony, it was, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, where's my Money, Money? That's called Lone Shark. He's a Lone Shark. And you don't want to get on the bad side of Tony. It's dangerous. Yeah. So we also thought it would be interesting to look at the year that the song was released and look at the actual legit songs, in our opinion, that were released at that time. I got that right here. So pop hits during the year of 1968. Hey Jude by the Beatles. Yeah. Come on. Sitting on the dock of the bay. Yeah. By Otis Redding. Mrs. Robinson. Okay. This is crap. Yours has tons of good ones. In that year? Yeah. So is yours just the year itself or is it the month and the year? I just looked at the year. Okay. I've got to broaden my search. Because I was really having a hard time. You're being really scimitic. Yeah. I did. I was looking at the month and the year and I was having a really hard time committing to recommending any of the songs that came out at that time. Let's see. There were some that I've never heard of, but I'm sure they're very... Hello. No. Is it me you're waiting for? No, that's not the song. Hello. I love you. Won't you tell me your name? There were several during that year. But during 1968 through 1969, it says Tommy James and the Chandelles sold more singles than any other artists in the world, including the Beatles. What? Their smash hits include Hanky Panky, which also, I don't know that song, but I want to know it. The title sounds familiar, but I'm not... All I can think of is down by the banks of the Hanky Panky. Where the bullfrogs jump from bank to bank. Do you think that's their song? I mean, in my defense, they're not real words. They're not. I never know. I just make it up every time. But there was a flapping game that went along with that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that makes it sound like they just slap each other. You sit in a circle and you have your hand on top of someone else's and then the next person's hand is on top of yours and you slap the next person's hand and whoever ends on the kerplop is out of the circle. That's right. But again, that's not the thing. And again, totally irrelevant to what we're talking about. But there you go. Anyways, I know everybody is wanting to know what the real words are to that, though, at the end. I always say oop-sop-a-diddly-op, ker-plop, oop-sop-a-diddly-op. Oop-sop-a-diddly-op. I like yours better, though. I remember kerdle-doodle. Kerdle and oop-diddly-atcha, ker-plop, diddly-atcha, diddly-atcha, diddly-atcha, waddly-atcha, doodly-doo, doodly-doo. We could do this all night. All night. You tell us how long we will do it. Oh, do you know, this is an interesting fact, though. Everybody knows about Tiffany during the 80s or 90s. I think we're, oh no, that would be 80s? I don't remember, but they are the original authors of that song. It's not Tiffany. Wait, they are the original authors of Moaning, no, not Moaning, Moaning, Pinky Pinky. Who are the original authors of? What are the original authors of? Did you totally forget everything we were talking about? Tommy James and the Chambels are the original authors of the song I Think We're Alone Now. Oh, okay, I thought of that backwards. I was naming their smash hits, and their biggest single, Crimson and Clover, was the number one hit that sold five million copies. I don't know that song, though, but I was talking to my dad. It was an offensive conversation, because I told him about this podcast, and I told him the song I chose, and he's like, I don't think it's that bad, and it was really hurtful, but he said, How dare you think differently than me? He said, um, he said that that Moaning, Moaning is actually the best song that they ever made. He said I don't like that band at all. So, darn it. No, I, well, I mean for Tommy and the Chambels. I don't even know if he's alive anymore. Maybe we're all in peace. No, nor do I. So, um, that's pretty much all I got, but at the time, people had really terrible taste, and it was a, it was a smash hit, and then it was a smash hit again in the 80s on Billy Idol. If it wasn't good enough the first time. It got even worse, because they really, like, to me, they amped up the, like, cheese ball 80s, like. Well, yeah, the version you played had a lot of electric guitar. Yeah, but, like, not, not, like, appropriate. Not, like, the kind that's, like, yeah, this is a nice flow. It didn't, no, it didn't feel, it's, I think, because I haven't, I mean, I think whatever version I've heard is more of just, like, a poppy. I think that's, this is, I think Billy Idol, because it has not been remade, except for there was, like, one random person, but it's, like, Billy Idol and Tommy James and the Chambels, and that's, like, it. I think you've heard the Billy Idol version. Okay, well, so, I'm just saying. Because remember at the end. Well, yeah, I just, I think the version we watched, it was a live version, and I think they upped the guitar presence. Yeah, well, whatever it was, it was really. It didn't help it. It did not help it. It didn't make them look cooler, especially the guitarist in the, like, white stretch one-piece tank top deal. Um, yeah, the white pants didn't do anything for me. It doesn't? It didn't. It didn't. Well, now that's where we're gonna have to disagree. I mean, white stretch pants on a dude? Oh, I mean, good for him. Good for him. He, he wore them as well as anybody could. Like, they, they were well fitted. Stop with the white stretch pants. I just, it's not the look I'm into. It's not. It's, guys, it's not. I'm not into it either, okay? Don't, don't go guessing things about me. Um, okay, so that's all I, that's all I've got. I just, that's the song that I have always thought sucked. It wasn't like, as a kid, I liked it, and then I grew up and was like, what was I thinking? It was like, always. Whenever it would come on, I'd be like, why? I, that's fair. That's fair. It did not anger me in the same way. I just feel like I've never had a strong opinion about it. It's never, it's never brought me joy, nor has it enraged me. But can we say what the main words are? Of course. Moany, moany, like a pony. Like a pony. And I mean, what else does it say? You make me feel moany, moany. Like a pony. Oh, is that it? Can you, that's another thing. Can you tell me, can you guess what that feels like? If someone were to make you feel like a pony, how would, how would, how would that, like, you would just feel like you wanted to neigh and eat hay? Sure. Run through a pasture, maybe. I don't know. Do ponies run very well, though? I feel like, I mean, I feel like they're a little limited. I don't know. Because their legs are short? I mean, they are able to, but. So are you saying you would feel more handicapped than anything by your, by your height? No, I just was going back. I'm like, maybe I wouldn't want to fall off in a field. Maybe I would. I don't know. Just eat some oats. So do you think that that's how he was feeling? And that's what he was describing? He wanted us to feel like a pony? No, he was saying, you make me feel like I want to eat some oats. And like, I want to run through a pasture. I don't know. Because you know how there's a lot of, like, metaphors for animals. Like, I feel like a tiger or something. Right. Because that means, like, you feel powerful and aggressive. What would it mean for someone to feel like a pony? Like, I feel like that means I feel like an idiot. I'm trying to channel Little Sebastian from Parks and Rec. If you want a good song about a pony. That's true. Then it means that you feel idolized because everyone loves Little Sebastian. That's what I was trying to like, okay, everybody loves a pony. Who doesn't get excited? Money, money. You're at a parade. Here comes the horses and then oh my gosh, it's a pony. It's so cute. So he wanted to be like, fantasized. Or maybe he feels like she already is like, like fantasizing or not fantasizing but like, you bring me joy in the same way a pony would. I think you're so cute. And you just make me so excited and so happy. Like I'm seeing a pony. I think it's probably just that he feels like eating out. It might be. It could be both. No. She's giving me a hard no. No. It's just, it's still a question mark. I don't feel any better about it. I don't know what it means to feel like a pony. I just looked at my very expensive notes and I realized that I forgot my line too. Guys, I wrote two things about this song. I said, side note, I dislike the word money. But that was the inspiration for the whole thing. That's where it started. One man's trash, another man's treasure. What sparked inspiration in him to make this song leaves me questioning why. Me with a feeling of disgust towards this person that made this song. Well, and money is just, I mean, that's a gross word. That's like a gross word. But that song was dirty and inappropriate. I would have to be doing some serious lyric coverage if my son was asking what that song was about. And that's why it goes off as soon as it comes on in the car. It's like, we will not, not in this car, not in this family. We will not participate. How in my childhood, really ridiculous TV shows were banned. But then my family would also take me to R-rated movies. So I could not watch The Simpsons. Trash, trash, trash. I was like the only one that was allowed to watch The Simpsons out of like our friend group. I couldn't watch the Power Rangers. Too violent. They're going to say their outfits were too skin tight. I mean, Linda never specifically said that was why, but maybe. Probably. Maybe just didn't want to broach that conversation. We're going to talk about it, but there are certain feelings that are around. Yeah, it would influence feelings. I shouldn't be having such an age. I mean, married with children. And that's a questionable show. Yeah, it was. But then looking at the movies I went and saw, Pretty Woman we viewed at home. But yes, that's what we viewed at home. It's like doing drugs at home. It's different. It's in the confines of your own home. So it's safer. What was that one with Al Kilmer? A TV show? No, it's a movie. The Ghost in the Darkness. Oh, I don't even know that. It's a really good movie, you guys. I thought it was like The White Tiger or something. It's lions. It's in Africa and there's a lion that is like hunting. I wasn't allowed to watch R-rated movies, but I was allowed to watch The Simpsons. So here's a time that I felt really dumb about this though, because I had seen that movie multiple times. My mom and sister loved it. So I'm sure we went at least two or three times in the theater. Because that's when Al Kilmer was hot. He looked good. So I was staying with a friend's family and they were having a game night and it was like a movie trivia game. And the question was about Ghost in the Darkness. And so they had read the question. How old were you? I was late elementary, early junior high. Anyways, so I got all excited because I was like, I know this one. And they were like, well, you shouldn't know this one. It's rated R. And then like, how do you come back from that? Okay. I mean, I thought it was a different movie. I mean, I still said the title because I want the win. I want to win. Competitive. Anyway, but it made me feel dumb. Also, now I forgot what we were doing with all that. No clue. Let's see. What did your notes say? Oh, just that that song was inappropriate, I think. So, but why would that have led to movies? We'll be watching R-rated movies. We'll have to go back and listen to that episode as well to see why we're there. Uh, I don't know. I don't know. We'll figure it out later. Or it won't. Your turn. Your turn. All right, gentle listeners. The song I have brought you this evening is, now this might not be popular, popular opinion. It's Lady Gaga's Tell-A-Lady. You better not be going after Lady Gaga. I'm going after Gaga. Gaga. Lady Gaga. Okay. Lady Gaga's Telephone. And this was released in January of 2010. And I think Lady Gaga was still fairly new on the scene. I think she had several songs that have been released. I just thought she's always been a legend, like in our minds and hearts. Like, when we were introduced to her, it was like, she's always been there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it was that way for a lot of people. When I was thinking about it, like what I would say about the song, I think when Lady Gaga came on the scene, everyone instantly fell in love with her. And I felt like I was taken back to elementary school, where they would have those hidden picture books. Not the ones that are like, find five baseball bats, but the one that's like, it's like an intricate. Yeah. And you have to cross. Yeah. They cross your eyes. I have never been able to do that. All of a sudden, like the hidden image will pop out at you. Never happened. Well, everyone at school. I think it's real. Everyone at school could do them. And I'd be sitting there like an idiot, eyes crossed, trying so hard to see the image. I've never heard of crossing your eyes. And probably at one point being like, I totally see it too. And no, I definitely did not. So this is a little bit how I felt about Lady Gaga, because everyone is like, she's so amazing. And she's artistic. And I mean, just everything she could do no wrong. Yeah. And I was left being like, I don't see it. I feel like she's making a mockery out of everyone, because she would wear like, I mean, the dumbest things. And people are like, she's so bold. She's a genius. And I'm like, she's wearing slabs of meat. She's literally seeing how far she can push the boundary and have people falling all over her. But it worked. Yeah, because people do love her. And I love it as her career has gone. It seems like she's let some of that go a little bit and it's just more, I don't know, authentic. I don't know. I'm not a Gaga expert. I don't claim to be. I just know. I wasn't a fan when she came on the scene. And this song Telephone just gave me like the cringy, embarrassed feelings of like, oh, and I remember one specific time. I did not read my audience. Well, I was having I was taking a lunch break with a co worker. And we were driving somewhere to get lunch. This song came on and I felt like it was a safe space to say, oh my gosh, you have to hear this song. It's the dumbest song I've ever heard. And she was like, I really like this song. And I was like, oh, I'm awkward. Don't get me wrong. It's catchy. I 100% have sung along to it. Once I heard it several times, and I got past like the cringiness of it. I could sing it. Because I've never been one. Everybody hooks up. Well, everybody's pretty much has like, Bluetooth radio now, right? I don't. Everybody, everybody, anybody who's anybody. I am. I do not. Nor did I then. And I've always been really lazy. So I've never hooked up my iPod or mp3 or whatever iPod. I think we're going back to 2010. I mean, that sounds like it was like last year. But it wasn't that was when 13. Oh, it was 13 years. You're right. You're right. No one can even no one can even know the answer to that question. The technology doesn't exist. Um, anyway, so I always listen to the radio, which meant I was subject to listening to whatever was on the radio, whether it was good or bad. That is like, subject to is a good word for that. Yeah. I mean, the radio is painful for me. I did it to myself, because I could have taken the time to buy the cord. Or what? Yeah. I mean, I think I have the cord. I think I've always had the means to do it. I just simply couldn't be bothered to hook it in, scroll through the songs I want. It's just too much. I can't be bothered. I can't be bothered to listen to the radio. So I still do. I don't know any new music. Okay, so Lady Gaga telephone, pause, go listen. And when you recover from the cringiness, come back to us. And we'll discuss it if you can recover. If you can, you will you will you'll get there. We believe that our future audience is resilient. Absolutely. And why? Incapable. No doubt. So this song made me cringe. Do I just go right into it? Go right and go right. Go for it. It's okay. Let me I have to note too. Okay. It's a major cringe factor for me. I mean, the lyrics. It's a telephone conversation. I she's at a club. She's got a drink in her hand on the dance floor. And she just wants this guy to stop calling her. Stop calling. I mean, who hasn't been there? Stop calling. Stop calling. I don't want to talk anymore. I left my head and my heart on the dance floor. Okay, the lyrics are trash. The song is embarrassing. It's very cringy. But let's see. Uh, let me see. Let me see. Gaga had some comments on it. It did make me happy to hear that Gaga is also not very happy with this song. Really? It's not a favorite of hers. Interesting. So I mean, that was good to hear. Like what did you say? Um, I didn't take notes on it specifically. So was it a video you watched? No, but I just didn't copy and paste it. Oh, so I want to say it was like, she was she was very vague about it. Well, he was kind of she was kind of like, if you turn the cameras off, um, then I then I can expand on it. But she was she was saying pretty timeless about it. But I think it had to do maybe with um, difference in opinion on like, the production video. Yeah. Which the music video also is terrible. I just I guess I'm not like a super artistic person because the whole thing, it takes place in a prison. She goes to prison. I mean, I would have thought that listening to the song for sure. Right? A song about being in a dance club and your boyfriend won't stop calling you while you're in prison. Yeah. And then you have like your cell phone and the prison dance club dance club. Yeah, yeah. That's a hot spot. Like it's so hard to get into. It's very not like crazy bouncers there. They do. I mean, yeah, it's crazy. And it takes forever to make the drinks. I mean, I wouldn't want the drinks. You guys tell them what it is. I mean, it's I don't know. I haven't been to prison. But toilet moonshine. I mean, I'm not accurate, right? If you want to drink, it's gonna be a toilet moonshine. I don't I don't know. I don't know. I can't speak. Are you afraid of your reputation getting bullied? I'm no I'm just saying I'm just saying I have never been in a desperate enough situation that I would consider drinking toilet moonshine. But if I'm trying to get into a prison dance club, I might be there. I might be like, drinking, give me a double. Anyway, she was not happy with how the song came out. Also, she wrote this song, which I was but she didn't write it for herself. She wrote it for Britney Spears. So this. Yeah, so this quote that I have says Gaga said I wrote it for her being Spears a long time ago. And she just didn't use it for her album. It's fine because I love the song and I get to perform it now. So she's kind of going back and forth a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Let's see. Additionally, the guest vocalist was originally going to be Spears, but ultimately Gaga made Knowles, meaning Beyonce Knowles, the queen bee, queen bee herself, the featured vocalist instead. The main inspiration behind the song was Gaga's fear of suffocation, as she felt that she seldom found time to just let loose and have fun. So it's a figurative suffocation, not a literal fear of suffocation. I mean, I think it makes sense for her to be afraid of both. I, are you not afraid of suffocation? I guess I am. I mean, it's not like in the forefront of my mind. But if you are thinking about being suffocated, I think you can, I think you would be the result. I'm just saying it didn't specify. It didn't specify the form of suffocation. But I think it's safe to say publicly, publicly suffocated, suffocated by work, suffocated by the hustle and bustle of life. And she just wanted to let loose on the dance floor. She's like, stop calling me. I can't I can't answer another call. I just got a dance. That's really beautiful. Like I feel like you were reaching down inside to a place that you understood. I don't want to. I get it now guys, I take it all back. This song means something totally different to me now. I mean, I just didn't get that vibe from it. But you know, it's her thing. It's her baby. We don't, we're not here to be politically correct. We're here to say songs suck. And this one did in my opinion. Yeah. Okay, so I did not have as much luck finding songs. Because my thought with this was where I was like, okay, we're helping you realize that a certain song sucks. And so maybe before you were kind of on the fence, and you're like, I mean, you're gonna like it. And then you listen to us and you're like, Oh, my gosh, you're so right. So it feels a little bit like we're kind of like taking something from you. So I was kind of like, okay, well, if we're going to take a song, we give a song back. We don't recommend this song. But however, we do recommend the song that came out around the same time. I would have I would have loved to do that for you guys. I just I mean, it just wasn't a good month in music. Right now I'm looking at just a total 2010 list. Let me just pull up the January specific. Well, while you're doing that, do you want me to share the some of the notes that I took? Oh, I mean, yeah, I just totally took over that. No, no, you're good. I just give me give me your thought opportunity. So the song starts out with a like a very melodic, slow intro, which I think they're, they're trying too hard to make you feel something. And it doesn't work. And then it goes quickly into techno dance mix. And a highlight, which aka a low light is that she says bizzey. She tries to fit too many words into a phrase like she's trying to just like she said, she said she's having a phone conversation. Yeah. And she's trying to say like a full on conversation in this lineup. Right? So it's like broken up awkwardly. Yeah, it doesn't flow. Can you think of a line like so? Well, my my favorite line from the song is sometimes I feel like I'm in Grand Central Station. Now I can't remember the next part. But it essentially refers back to her like not taking a call because she's too busy dancing. Yeah, we can't figure out though how that relates to Grand Central Station. So my guess though was that it's bizzey was I mean, a train conductor would be like calling calling out to you. Like all aboard. Last call. That's I mean that get give me something else to go off of because that's the only way to say it's cuz it's bizzey. I mean, maybe. The station's busy. She's busy. She has this thing just in general in her songs where she likes to repeat sounds a lot. And then this song one of it. Well, that's another that's another hit. I know she's got her thing. That's another song that sucks. But we're not talking about that. Nope. Um, and I feel like you're trying to make it a girl power song, you know, thrown in the queen bee but like nothing about that song made me feel powerful as a woman. No. And it just, maybe I don't like songs in general where it's like kind of a conversation. Because that feels so awkward to me. But then I mean, yeah, because Queen Bee was like, what this isn't gonna make me leave my girls no faster. Yeah. Sorry, I cannot answer. Stop wasting your time. I'm here to dance and I'm not going to sit and talk to you at the club. Is that still the lyric? No, it's not. That's just me surmising. And then take away from it. At the end, there's a really annoying voice saying my telephone. My telephone. My telephone. Just like straight out. Excuse me, but the lyrics are straight out the butt. And the sound is straight out the nose. My telephone. When I'm up in the club and I'm sipping my bub. Can't talk. Gonna leave my telephone. I don't know. There's something like that. You can look it up. We're not here to tell you everything about it. No, no. We're just here to pique your interest and to help you recognize. Okay, so here, guys, I'm not, I'm not super prepared, guys. First timer here. You're gonna have to forgive me. We're forgiving. I feel like this is a safe, a safe space. Okay. Oh, here we go. Maybe this one will be more helpful. I did have a helpful site pulled up and it's gone, so I'm trying to scramble here. Um, 30 years ago. Nope, nope. That's too far, people. Okay, let me go back to this other list. So, I know Kesha's Tick Tock was a big song at the time. Tick tock. I'm gonna stop. Gonna. Um, yeah, I think that's on a Just Dance mix. Till you see the sunlight. I'll admit, so I was going to a dance fitness class at the time at the Clearfield Rec Center and that was one of the songs and it was fun. I had no problem with that. You're feeling it, yeah. But Kesha in general, kind of meh. Yeah. Again, I am going to sing along to her songs. They're dancey. Right, right. But there's nothing great coming out of them. Okay, guys, there was nothing. Okay, the best one that I could, I could in good conscience recommend was from, the album's called Contra. The song is called Cousins. I'm pausing on the down. Oh, Vampire Weekend. Vampire Weekend. I like some Vampire Weekend songs, I think. Again, I didn't listen to the lyrics closely. Real hypocrite over here. But out of the songs that I looked at from that month, released that month, that, I mean, that's the best one I could recommend. I don't know that song, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna look it up. It's, it's got a fun, like, peppy beat to it, but. She's dancing over here. I got my signature shoulder shaking going. That is her signature dance. The hips, there's not a lot going on, but these shoulders, I'll tell you. And, and I just have to say as a side note, I've been with her to a salsa club. Oh boy. So it was rough. It was rough. I don't know what, okay, here's the thing. We're going into it. We're going, I mean, you've got, you can't like, you can't dangle that carrot for them. We've just gotta go it all in. Alicia had taken a college course, right? It was a, was it purely salsa? It was ballroom, right? I did ballroom and I think I did, I think salsa was the other one. I took two dance classes at the U. Okay. Alicia was having a night out with her friends from that class. They were going to go show off their salsa skills, their newly obtained salsa skills. And they were going to a dance club. I have not taken salsa dancing. I've not taken any kind of dancing. And at that point in my life, the thought of dancing independently with another human was absolutely terrifying to me. Well, you didn't even like the idea of like getting on the dance floor with your girl. No, completely like mortified. Minus the shoulder shake. If you're seeing me from like mid torso up, sure. I wouldn't say it's a shoulder shake. I would say it's a, it's a shoulder, um, like wave. I mean, I can do a lot with these shoulders. Oh, that's a shoulder shake. Oh man, I wish this was closed caption. That's not closed caption at the worst. I wish this was video. Oh, me too. So much. Okay. Anyways, I have no dancing skills, you guys. Um, but for whatever reason, I was hanging out with another friend. We decided we've got to meet up with Alicia at this dance club. I don't know why. Well, I'm sure I invited you and you can't say no to me. It wasn't really, it was like you had your own plans and me and this other friend were like hanging out and we're like, we're bored. Let's find out which club Alicia went to. So we kind of like, we kind of just threw ourselves at your planned event and it was like, you can't have other friends and just leave us with nothing to do. Right. Yeah. I never felt like I was allowed to have other friends. So we're, we're at this club. I have no dance club experience. I've never been clubbing in general. So to go to a salsa specific club, it was a little intimidating. It felt a little risky. It was like in a basement somewhere. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. No, I'm pretty sure it was not in a basement. I remember going into a basement. But memories are faulty. It's true. And it's probably Kessa's that's faulty here. I mean, it makes the story scarier. It was like a normal club though. I wouldn't know. It wasn't like a basement. I think of like someone's basement. No, it was, it was a legitimate club. It just felt like I was always walking down the stairwell of like, what am I getting myself into? That's a vague memory. Anyways, we found Alicia and her friends were dancing. I am trying to avoid any like eye contact or dancing with anybody else because I socially can't handle it. And there was a guy there who just grabbed my hand and like spun me out over the dance floor. But he was old, right? I mean, he was, I mean, he was older. Because we were what? We're teenagers. I'm picturing these guys being like 60. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, he was probably, I would say maybe 30. Really? But for us, I mean, we were how old? 18? I know, but they seemed like There were other older guys there that were like, selling off their grandsons. Like I remember one guy was like, dance with my grandson. He's handsome. And I was like, I gotta go. Why was a grandpa and a grandson at a club? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the goings on the salsa club. Anyways, this guy didn't ask. It was just like he took my hand and we were dancing. And I am doing my very, very best to hang with this situation. I've got just stress, sweat, in abundance. At that time, my hands were like always sweaty in those situations. So like dancing with someone was so stressful. Oh, I was for sure. That was definitely like a trigger thing for me. I don't know at what point I became so self conscious about my sweaty hands. But I definitely was probably like, the first time someone really made fun of you about it or something. But I don't like specifically remember, like being teased about it. I just always remember being very aware and like feeling like I always needed to apologize for it. Anyways, and he so he's trying to dance with me. He's working with what he's got. Like he's doing the best he can. Definitely is, is carrying this partnership. And at one point, he's like, you've got to move your head. And he grabs my hips and starts like trying to wiggle them. And I'm like, I am like, as much as I can do. And so that was it. It was he went on to the next gal. He didn't end up together. It wasn't it wasn't a meet you. We didn't go on to be like salsa champions. Unfortunately. It's still a good story. Thanks for sharing. So that's just an example of some of our musical escapades. But what I mostly hope that you take from this particular episode of this podcast is that money money is a really stupid song that sucks. And Lady Gaga telephone. And if you can take that away from this episode, then I feel like we've done our job. If we if we can draw one person away from those songs, then it's like Michael has many but one, one will do. It's like that starfish analogy where the boy is tossing the starfish back into the sea. And the person comes up and is like, it's useless. There's so many starfish, you'll never make a difference. And he throws it back and he's like, I made a difference to that one. It matters to the one. You're right. I feel like that's like what we're we've set out to do here. Oh, that was like bringing it back to this really succinct, beautiful place. So thank you for that. Thank you for being my partner on this journey. Thank you for having me. Yeah, well, I mean, you're my co host. So can I just always be a guest? And I will always thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. Always. Always. We hope you keep joining with us on this journey to discover more songs that suck. We'll try and stay better focused and on topic. But it's not like it's probably not gonna happen though. But we'll try. Okay. We'll talk at you next time. Okay, bye.
