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Welcome to the Givology Impact Series podcast, in which we share the experiences and inspirations of social entrepreneurs and changemakers around the world in education. I'm Ashrita Durasetty, and we are so thrilled to have Shara Bennett from the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation here with us today. Before we get started, I'm going to introduce our amazing guest speaker. Shara Bennett is an equity officer at the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation, leading the movement, building, and community change portfolio. Before entering the philanthropic community, Shara has been a member of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation for over 20 years. She is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Shara is the co-founder and executive director of the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation. Welcome, Shara, to our podcast series. Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us today. Thank you. 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Oh, my goodness. This question is truly something. So I think what I find, outside of what I find most challenging, definitely in philanthropy, there is no limit in terms of folks who have good hearts, good intentions, and who are trying to create positive impact. And what I've learned, now that I'm on this side of the table, is that even throughout philanthropy, there are not enough dollars, even if we combine the top names to spread to all of the organizations who are deserving and worthy. So really trying to navigate who receives funding versus who does not receive funding. And that's impactful for me because I've been on the nonprofit side. I know what that looks like. So that's my largest challenge. I hate having to tell people no, especially when I know that they are trying to do the right thing. But I try to work to connect them to folks who can give them a yes. So I would say that's the most challenging aspect. And then the most rewarding, I am motivated every day from folks who I meet who have a passion for education or economic mobility or climate change, whatever their specific social impact issue is. It gives me hope for the future. It gives me hope for the world to meet so many people who really are trying to work to create impact. And so that is definitely the greatest benefit and joy in my current career. Yeah, I completely agree. So could you tell us a little bit about the STAR Movement? Absolutely. So STAR Movement, it started off, honestly, I wanted to do a mentorship program. I thought after school or on the weekends, leadership development. Again, being the daughter of educators, I wanted to have an impact on school-age youth, high school-age youth. But I didn't see myself as a formal teacher. Here's the interesting journey. I joined the Blueprint Leadership Program. STAR Movement was my vision project, if you will. I went into a high school. I just wanted to pass out flyers to recruit their students. I met with the leadership, and I met with them on, like, a Thursday. And they asked me, could I start facilitating the program that Monday? Guess what? As a formal elective class, which I would be an impromptu, if you will, teacher. So I always went around never wanting to be a teacher. But then I found myself with a group of ninth graders doing leadership development curriculum for STAR Movement. And it was really based around three main themes. So leadership development, community service or engagement, and then college to career pathways. And that was the focus. And then we also received early support. Once the program was started, the University of Michigan was a financial supporter of the program. They worked to get me connected to an alum who was an ED of a large Michigan-based nonprofit. But I wasn't even attempting to start a nonprofit. I just wanted to do a leadership development program. And before you knew it, we were rolling. Wow. What about your experience with the Obama campaign? What was that like? And is there a specific memory that stands out? Oh, my goodness. Where do I start? These are such great questions. The Barack Obama campaign, President Obama's campaign absolutely shifted the trajectory of my life in the most positive way. Again, I was an undergrad. I started off as a summer fellow. And then I was asked to stay on full-time as a staff organizer. I took time off of school to commit full-time because when would you have a chance to elect who became our first black president? But it was not just that. It was also his vision for his time in public service that really motivated me. And it changed, again, how I saw community involvement, the electoral process, really allowing young folks like I was at the time, and I still like to think that I am, right, to be involved and be engaged in that way. And if I have to think about a particular story, we were doing voter registration in the summer, and a large part of the job was talking to everyday people and voters about the issues that they're facing and really wanting to work together to co-create this vision of a person who would help us achieve this larger goal and vision. And I was trying to encourage some young people to register to vote. And so we went back and forth, and, you know, not in a bad way, but we just went back and forth around the pros and the cons. And, of course, you know, you respect a person's choice. So at a certain point, they didn't seem interested, and I'm like, okay, well, you know, just think about it. Well, maybe not even an hour later, I'm hearing someone trying to get my attention, and they're coming to find me, and it was a group. So it was – I started off talking to three individuals. They had other friends and family. We were at, like, a large, you know, park. And next thing I know, it was 10 to 12 young people who wanted to register to vote who became engaged and became volunteers and were a part of the process. And that stands out for me. It taught me the power of just persistence, accepting people's choice. You don't have to get a yes the first time, being okay with that, and knowing that, regardless, when you're doing the right thing, you're planting seeds. And whether you're there to see them bloom or not, don't discount the seeds that you planted that will soon come to harvest. That will always stand out to me as an impactful memory. And I hope they're still voting, but that's separate. Could you describe your role at the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation as an equity officer and your work there? Absolutely. So at the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation, I'm an equity officer, and I lead our movement building, leadership development, our nonprofit capacity building, and our place-based work. At the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation, we have a focus on ALICE individuals and families. And so ALICE stands for Asset Limited Income Constrained Employee. So we really work to shift trajectories for everyday Arkansans who are hardworking, who likely might work one or two jobs, but still are not able to meet their basic daily necessities. And the way that we view it and work to shift the narrative is that they are facing systemic issues. This is not a personal character fault. They cannot outwork themselves from their current situation. We need to shift systems to be more accommodating of individuals who are doing their part. And so that's a large, big overframe. But in my individual day-to-day work, I support advocacy organizations across a complete spectrum of equity, from education, economic, social, ethnic, racial equity, who are working to shift systems, policies, practices, and behaviors for Arkansas where everyone can thrive. And every day is different, but every day is wonderful. So how does the Foundation ensure the voices of marginalized communities in Arkansas are amplified and heard in policy and decision-making processes? So by our focus on advocacy and systems change, so in philanthropy in the sector, you'll hear people describe it a variety of ways. And there are some foundations that are transactional where, for them, they focus on giving the funding, and that's kind of where it stops. And that's okay for some foundations. At WRF, we focus on being transformative and transformational philanthropy, which means that we really work to be a thought partner. We work to walk alongside and to not be afraid to disrupt, if you will, current systems. And our theory of change, you know, we focus on three major ways we do our philanthropic work. We focus on narrative change, movement building, and policy and advocacy. So we work to use our social, moral, reputational capital to ensure that voices are heard. We are the voice in the room that is really working to speak on behalf of equity in Arkansas to bring them in the room. Specifically in my portfolio, I work to address who's in the conversation concerning the future of Arkansas. So an example of that, if by way of the Rockefeller name and that opening different doors, when I'm in a room with an entity that can update a policy or a practice, I'm working to be the chief storyteller of my grantee partners to tell them what this impact is like for the Alice Arkansans or for the Arkansans that we're speaking about. So I'm always working to translate that, to bring them into the room, to use data, organized data, to be a chief storyteller and a powerful communicator as well. Considering the legacy of over 50 years, what are some of the Winstead Rockefeller Foundation's achievements? Honestly, where do we start with this? So I would say that even bringing the Alice framework to Arkansas to have a focus, we are the only, currently, the only private foundation that has adopted Alice, which is a nationwide United Way product as a primary focus and target for our grant making. Also, we have done a lot of work across education in terms of standing up different entities. The Forward Arkansas is a large entity that WRF, along with some other funders, went together to co-fund to fill a gap in what we were seeing in the state. Additionally, right now, one of our largest achievements with the bipartisan infrastructure law and a number of different infrastructure policies, philanthropy has a very unique opportunity to really engage and disrupt and ensure that rural communities have a seat at the table. And so we have went to funding cities directly to resourcing grant writers and consultants to be able to leverage dollars. So an example of that, we likely provided maybe $200,000 in consultant support. Well, that turned into $100 million for 19 cities in Arkansas to be able to receive funding from NCRS to address historic water issues in these communities. And I could go on and on, but those are just a few key highlights that are current and some that are from the past around how WRF is really working to leave a legacy that Governor Rockefeller will be proud of. Those are some amazing achievements. What does your current grant scope look like? For example, what are some types of projects supported and the structure and duration of your involvement as a funder? We have really worked to do two things. One, to be an equity funder, and two, to have a real focus on trust-based philanthropy. So we operate, I would say, a lot differently from some of our peers in the field. In terms of trust-based philanthropy, we don't have a formal application process. If you will, there's no, you know, four-page application for individuals to fill out. They can submit a new idea. We will review those, and then the appropriate staff person reaches out for follow-up. And the onus is also on the equity, the program officers, to translate the strategy, if you will. We don't require formal final reports. For a grantee partner, the final report can be myself and the grantee having a conversation, and then the onus is on me to translate the information that they're sharing about their outcomes and the impact into strategy that our board and foundation can use to move the work forward. So I would definitely say, and we also, we eliminated time-bound grants. So we no longer have traditional, like, one-year, two-year, or three-year grants. And another aspect that we are very excited about is a new model that's enterprise capital. And so really it's dream capital for nonprofits. We look at nonprofits as what they are, business entities with a social impact. They are no different than traditional or what we consider traditional businesses. And enterprise capital is really about infusing capital to a nonprofit entity to their bottom line and allowing them to have flexible funding to navigate and to trust them to make the necessary adjustments or outcomes and allocate how they use their funding. We also do all general operating support. So we don't prescribe with a grant that 40% has to go towards programming and 30% for staff. When we give a nonprofit partner a grant, we trust them to make the best decisions for their organizations and to budget the grant accordingly. So is there a particular grant that really stands out to you, and why? It's so hard. You know, I do not want to ever play favorites. And so I love all of my grantee partners. I love all of their projects. So it's very hard for me to just name or highlight one. I will just leave it at that. But please know that I have a large number of projects that are near and dear to my heart. The focal point of this series is impact evaluation. What criteria do you use for the selection of a grantee that can deliver on your important mission? Among many organizations that do meaningful work, how do you differentiate among them and figure out where your incremental dollar can make the most impact? This is a great question. Our focus is on system change. I'll say that again, which means that we don't fund a lot of, if any, typical programmatic work. Most, if not all, of the organizations that we fund are directly doing work to engage with policymakers, key decision-makers, and really change outcomes. We joke and we call ourselves the Little Rockefeller Foundation because we're not the New York Rockefeller Foundation that is known by so many. However, the way that we leverage our dollars for greatest impact is really working to shift policies. We definitely support, for an example, if an organization was doing a backpack drive, we support that. We think that that is important, impactful work. But we necessarily would not fund that. What we would fund is we would want to get to the root cause of what's happening in this community where parents don't have access to purchase backpacks. Do we need to focus on changing the minimum wage? Do we have a lack of high-wage jobs, or how do we work around workforce development? Is there an issue with education attainment? So we try to look at all of the other extenuating factors that are causing that issue that we're seeing. We're really trying to work to put ourselves out of business, if you will. How do you make it where parents have backpacks, families have food? And so we really work at that intersection of narrative change and then policy practice and systems change work. For those applying to grants, do you have advice on what can make an application really stand out? Funding can sometimes be a challenge to many new fledgling organizations, and given your incredible experience from startup impact founder to grant maker, what resources and strategies do you recommend? You know, one of the key strategies that I would recommend, even before applying for a grant, is to really know and try as best you can to build a relationship with your funder. This is something near and dear to my heart because I have been a nonprofit founder and gone on to work in nonprofits, so I take very seriously the path that nonprofits go to to receive funding. It is not a race for the faint of heart, if you will. And so it's really important to do your due diligence, to understand the strategy of the funder, to not be afraid to reach out and to ask for a Zoom meeting or to get coffee or to get tea. If they have opportunities to attend events, make yourself known. Attend, shake hands, kiss babies, if you will, but take the time to meet the funder and build your relationship because that can go even further than an application. If I have an application from a nonprofit and I don't know anything about them, and I have an application from folks that I have met, that I have seen at events who have made themselves known, that goes a long way, and it's something that's really appreciated, I would say. It's something to definitely do. Work to build relationships. And then in terms of answering grant applications, so I mentioned the trust-based philanthropy, and I understand that the grant application process is different, and with a lot of organizations it's often too long, you know, and so I have even critiques from the sector around how we can shift power to make the process more streamlined, but I would definitely say as well, as best as possible, to really read through the applications, make sure that you're answering their questions and tying it back to the strategies that you see on their website. If it's a funder who only – we only fund systems change. So if you give us a 40-page narrative around a program model, no matter how much time and effort, we're not going to be able to fund it, but that's okay because we're not the only funder in town. So really know your funder, make relationships, and work to understand their strategy and how you're meeting the needs that they're trying to solve. That's some great advice. So what quantitative and qualitative metrics stand out to you as important to check? You know, honestly, it's different for every organization, but I would say that I'm always interested in – it's not always the typical outcomes. I'm not always interested in numbers. While numbers can be useful and helpful in terms of growth, I'm really interested to understand the process and the long-term vision. I'm interested in sustainability. I'm looking at what does partnership look like. How do you value partnership? Are you building relationships with your stakeholders and who you're serving? Are you building relationships with the community of other nonprofit partners who are like-minded to figure out if there's opportunities to partner in that way? Those are things that really stand out to me in terms of thinking through, how do we truly shift this, and can we do this alone or is it better together? So I would definitely say looking at folks who build partnerships, leverage relationships, who think about sustainability, and really work to partner with the community that they serve. And also equity is important to me as well. Do you follow your external mission and vision internally? Do you have diverse staff and board if you serve specific communities or specific demographics? Does your board reflect that as well? Do you work to allow your stakeholders to also inform in some ways how you do your work and your mission is very important to me as well. I can tell you give importance to the qualitative aspect. So educational, economic, social, ethnic, and racial equity is so deeply important, but also several issues that can be hard to change. Have there been new innovative delivery models that have really broken through? Any specific nonprofit model that you think is on the cutting edge of impact? So I would love to say, and I would love to say this. One, I agree that the issues that we're seeking to shift are stubborn, persistent issues that have outlived many of us today. And so I would love to say with that that there is a new innovative model that's just making racial equity a thing of the past, right? However, I will say that organized data and research is powerful. Being able to present to individuals the actual data and move beyond feelings, which I am not saying that this is not work that touches on all of those aspects, but really showing folks what the business case is in terms of continuing the same policies and practices is a model that I think has really have a sense of traction now. Business cases for equity and being able to articulate that for organizations. I would also say, too, leveraging the power of relationships. People having a champion that's really working to carry their message in rooms that they're not in is something that's on the cutting edge of impact. But right now, I also think that, and this might be a little bit different than what the question is asking, but even the power of organizing is something that will continue to be a, in my mind, an innovative delivery model. You know, we're always looking for the next thing, which I think we should be on the forefront of new and emerging innovations. However, there are some tried and true people power organizing dynamics and organizing tactics and strategies that are super beneficial. And when I think through history and how it's informed how we've seen coalitions and things change, that would be important. I can't help but think about the Civil Rights Movement and how Dr. King used organizing and bringing in diverse stakeholders across industries to really leverage for systems, systemic policy change. And so that's something that I think is tried and true. It might not be new, but we can think about new ways to do that work, which we have through digital organizing and things of that nature. So we have a lot of students and young professionals in the technology network. What advice would you give to someone who is looking to start a career in impact? What would you wish you would have known when you were starting out? I would tell them, one, thank you for having a heart and a mission to do something that most folks won't endeavor to do or don't endeavor to do. So that would be my first thing to say. I would also tell them that don't despise small beginnings. You know, this is hard work. However, if you are committed and you stay the course and you let the work continues to drive you, you will see yourself get further and further. I would also say, two, don't discount the power of networking. That's so important. Even as a college student, your classmates who are currently in your classes will be the individuals that go on to lead organizations, to run for office, to do great things as well. And so even when you are 18, 19, 20, don't discount building relationships not only with your professors and mentors, but also with your peers in terms of how you can move things forward and really staying connected in that way. And I would honestly say, don't give up. Just start and really keep going. That's true. I agree with that. We always end with a call to action. For someone looking to get involved in work, in your work, you know, in philanthropy, what do you recommend that they do? If someone was interested in getting involved in philanthropy, I would tell them to look for internships and fellowships, to give them an opportunity before completely jumping in to try before you buy, if you will, to see if this is really a field and sector that you want to be involved in. I would also say to just remain curious and become a student of philanthropy. Really research the history of philanthropy. Not all foundations are the same. Understand the difference between a private foundation, a family foundation, a community foundation, and how they operate and take a hard look at their models and their practices. Honestly, I feel privileged to work for a foundation that has a model and a priority on trust-based philanthropy. Not all foundations operate in that way. And I don't know if I would be as happy in a foundation that did not have a focus on being trust-based, sharing power, and really working to be transformative. So I would say to be a student. And also find me and send me an email and ask me to jump on a Zoom. I'm always happy to connect with folks because I do understand that philanthropy is largely a field that stands behind kind of smoke and mirrors, if you will. No one really understands what it is, what it's doing, where the money is coming from and how decisions are made. And so I am happy to kind of break down those walls and make the path a little bit clearer for folks as I also learn more about the sector as well. Well, that wraps up today's podcast episode. It's been great talking with you, Shara, and learning more about the Winthrop Rockefeller Foundation and your incredible career impact. I know all the listeners will find today's episode very informative and inspiring. And once again, thank you so much for sharing your story. And I hope you have a great rest of your day. Thank you so much for having me. This has been wonderful. Thank you. Great. No, thank you so much. That was so wonderful. And, you know, Shara, I loved your answers. And, you know, we'll definitely edit it and make it, make sure you approve it before you send it. But it was so great. And we'll put it out on Spotify, on all of our channels. And our newsletter gets distributed to around 8,000 people. So we're really excited. And we'll put this up on, like, our new website, too. And I forgot to mention, Esther is in high school. So, like, you know, she's, like, working really hard for this. That's incredible. I thank you, too, Esther, for being willing and being so involved at a young age. And please feel free to stay in contact with me if there's any way that I can help, assist, whatever I can do. I'm happy to do that. And, Joyce, you know we're forever connected. So in all of the ways that I can help you and the mission of Giveology and any other endeavor, I'm right there. But thank you so much for end of a long school day, jumping on to do a podcast. The summer's almost there. How many more days of school do you have? I think maybe ten more days. Okay. So we can start the countdown. I'm happy to. What grade are you in? I'm a freshman, so I'm going to sophomore year next year. Oh, so exciting. So exciting. Well, I'm so excited for you. I am. I learned so much from you today. I have to admit, I've been a little foggy on how a nonprofit works and everything until I joined Giveology as an intern. And now, like you said, now I'm figuring out where all the money's coming from and how everything actually works. And, honestly, it's been great talking to you because, for me, every experience is a learning experience. Oh, that is wonderful. I'm so glad that you got something from it. And if you have questions, I truly mean that. Please do reach out to me. I'm happy to help you think through internships or questions that you might have. I'm so grateful that you're involved. And be gentle on yourself. You are in the ninth grade. You know, you're trying to figure out, what is it, algebra, geometry, whatever it is right now. So you have things on your plate. So it's okay if you don't know about all the rest of the world. You have plenty of time. Yeah. No, it's so great. And the thing is, like, the Giveology Network, we have a lot of young kids. But, like, I think, like, you know, they get a lot of experience in doing different things, obviously, with, like, some help and some guidance and supervision. But I thought, you know, Asuza did a great job. And, you know, you were incredible, Sarah. So thank you guys so much. Yes, and let me know. I want to say this, too. When you're editing, too, Joyce, if you find that anything is choppy or if you need me to just, like, rerecord an answer and send it back to you, I'm happy to do that if you're finding that you can't, like, get it through. I try to not use fillers. No, you are so eloquent. Very eloquent. Old edits are hard to break. But I'm happy to do whatever you need to give you, like, a clean edit as much as I can at this point. Okay. No, that sounds great. Thank you so much, everyone. Bye. Bye. I'll see you in Philadelphia. Yeah. Okay, bye, Asuza. Bye. Happy last ten days of school. Thank you.