Dep (2025-07-29 09.09.03)

The transcription involves a deposition where Stuart Morse questions Scott Brightman about his personal information, employment, and business dealings. Brightman is asked about his car wash business, Viper Holdings LLC, and his relationship with his brother, Reed Brightman. The discussion covers decisions related to the business and a recent purchase of a car wash arch. There is also a mention of legal matters involving liens and bond purchases. Morse emphasizes the importance of clear communication during the deposition. Scott Brightman. B-R-E-I-T-M-A-N. What is your address, please? 1295 Silver Heels Drive, Larkspur, Colorado, 80118. How long have you lived there? Since December of 2013. Mr. Brightman, we were introduced a while back, I believe, at the deposition of my client. My name is Stuart Morse. I represent A.D. Miller, and we're here today to take your testimony in a deposition. You may know that you have undergone a deposition before, so I'm assuming that you are comfortable with the fact that I'm going to be asking you a series of questions, and you're going to be giving answers to those questions under oath. Yes. Do you understand that's the same oath that you would swear in front of a judge or a jury? Yes. Because it's under oath testimony, it's obviously very important that you understand my question before answering it. So I'm going to ask you, please, do not answer any question you don't understand. Okay? Yes. I'm more than happy to rephrase things or ask it in a different way or try and use different words or what have you if you feel uncomfortable with the question that I pose to you. So please just let me know if you have any trouble at all understanding the questions. Okay? Yes. So far you don't seem to be having a problem with this, but many times, especially under Zoom, people will start talking while the other person is still speaking, and it makes for a very disjointed and difficult-to-follow transcript. And so I'm going to ask you, even though it seems a little unnatural, it's not normally the way we speak to each other, for you to wait until I'm completely finished with my question before giving an answer. Okay? Yes. And I will attempt to do the same for you. So just let me know if I end up cutting you off. Okay? Yes. You're also doing a very good job of saying yes when appropriate, and I take it you will also say no when appropriate. And I'm going to ask you to please continue to do that rather than saying uh-huh or uh-huh or mm-hmm or mm-mm or those types of things because they don't come out very well on the record. Okay? Yes. And, you know, if you do lapse into those types of things, I will simply ask you if that's a yes or a no, and I'm not doing that with an intent to embarrass you or call to your attention you're not following the rules or anything like that. I just want to make sure that the court reporter takes your testimony down as you intend it to be. Do you understand? Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes, I asked for that. And, you know, I'm sorry for all of the rules, Mr. Brightman, but I just find that it makes it easier to have an accurate record. Okay? Yes. How old are you? I'm 60. What's your date of birth? April 1st, 1965. How are you employed? I have a car wash. Is that your only source of employment? Yes. Is there an entity that owns the car wash? Yes. What is the name of that entity? Viper Holdings. What is your relationship, if any, to Viper Holdings? I think I'm a manager. Viper Holdings is an LLC, is that correct? I think so. So are you a member of that LLC? I think so. You know, I don't know all this business stuff. Are there any other members of the LLC aside from you? Yes. Who? My brother, Reed Brightman. V-R-E-I-D-A-N. And the Corps reporters are going to want to know how it's spelled, Reed? R-E-I-D. Thank you. Are there any other members of Viper? I don't think so. And to me? Well, do you have member meetings or shareholder meetings, things of that nature, for the company? No. How do you manage the company? Or to strike that a better question would be, how is the company managed? You know, I don't know these answers. Okay. Who runs the company on a day-to-day basis? Again, I don't know these answers. Well, there are only two people that are members of the company, right? Yes, as far as I know. Okay. So you say you're employed by the company, yes? I work for Liberty Express Wash. Is Liberty Express Wash a separate legal entity from Viper? I don't know that answer again. Sorry. Do you report to anybody? I'm not sure how to follow that either. I don't know that answer. Do you have to run any decisions for the car wash by anybody before you act upon them? Some of them I do. What decisions do you have to run by others? What decisions I choose to. What types of decisions might those be? You know, I don't know how to answer that question. When something comes up, I do the best I can, and I think about it, and if I feel that I need to run them by Viper, I will. When you run them by Viper, who at Viper do you run them by? Reed. When is the last time strike that? Are there any decisions that you are required to run by Reed before making them yourself? Warren Foundation, answer it again. Things that are expensive or things that I want advice from. Define things that are expensive as you just used it in that last answer. I try to do, I try to run stuff by him if it's going to be over $4,000, if I think it's something that I should talk to him about. Do you and Reed have any agreement that that is something that you are to do? I believe a long time ago he mentioned he wouldn't mind hearing about something if it's over $4,000, but certain stuff, like if there's a repair that needs to be done, I'm just going to get it done, and I'll tell him about it when I speak with him. When is the last time that something like that occurred where there was a repair and you decided to just get it done before consulting with Reed? I don't remember the exact date. Tell me generally. I don't know that answer. Tell me what was being done. We installed an arch and got rid of an existing arch. What type of arch? A rinse arch. So this would be an arch that would be within the car wash tunnel? Yes. It does something to assist in washing the cars, I take it? It rinses cars. Why did you replace that arch? The existing arch was cumbersome, and I had a good opportunity, so I took advantage of the opportunity. What makes an arch in a car wash cumbersome? I don't like the way the arch works. Can you describe that, please? It contours vehicles and it stresses me out. I wonder one day if it's going to give me more grief than it's already given me. Oftentimes we would have an alarm sound when it doesn't want to work or if somebody's vehicle hit one of the safety bars on it, or I worry about, you know, vehicles that have lumber racks or different types of bike racks or canoe racks. It just stresses me out. And the part that stresses you out is the fact that this arch would follow the contours of vehicles and you were concerned about whether it was going to get around them reasonably. So the arch requires an inch-and-a-quarter rubber belt that was maybe three-sixteenths of an inch thick, and I was always worried that one day that thing breaks, it's going to come down on a car. So I wanted to preemptively get rid of it and not have to worry about such a thing, not have to worry about possibly having a button that gets pushed in the front of the tunnel get pushed. It's a smart thing to do. So then did you transfer to a different type of arch, one that's fixed rather than loose with the contours of the vehicle? Yes. And how much did this cost? Well, I sold the existing arch, or well, I traded for the existing arch, and the new arch was about $6,100. In addition to the trade-in value? No. So the sale price was $6,100, and then you got a credit for having traded in the old one? I traded the old one with another car wash owner in Colorado that wanted it, and he gave me a couple of paints that were smaller, and he's getting me a pump, and he took the existing arch down. Okay. How is this relevant? I have to ask. It's not. Hey, Ty, at this point, your job is just to answer Mr. Morse's question. I hear it. I'm so curious. Okay. We can talk offline. I'll not just answer Mr. Morse's question. Sounds good. So was the $6,100 purchase something that you ran by REIT before making it? No. When is the last time that you ran a decision by REIT for the business? I don't remember. As part of your claims, well, in this lawsuit, and when I say you, I really mean your company, Viper Holdings, you're claiming damages on account of having to purchase a bond to bond around the liens that were in place. Are you aware of that? I know of the bond. Okay. From whom did you purchase the bond? I don't know that answer. Why do you not know that answer? Maybe I'm not sure what the bond is. Are you talking about the one from Argonaut? No, sir. Okay. Then I don't know what you're talking about. In your discovery responses, you indicated that, well, let me back up further. You're aware that A.D. Miller, Bighorn, and Tout Brothers all filed liens on the property, right? Yes. Okay. And in order to remove those liens, a landowner has the option of purchasing a bond that would pay those liens and get them off of the property if the liens are appropriate to be paid. Do you understand that? Yes. Okay. In order to get that bond, you have to pay somebody for it. You have to ask somebody to give you the bond and give them money for the bond. Who paid for the bond? Foundation. Answer if you can. I can't answer. Reid? Reid Pfeiffer? I can't answer. I don't know that answer. But did he have any discussions with Reid about it? I believe so. It was a long time ago. How long ago? I don't know. When you had the conversations with Reid, what did you discuss? Again, it was a long time ago. I don't remember. Do you know where the money came from to pay for the bond? Pfeiffer borrowed it. Who did Pfeiffer borrow the money from? I don't know. Does Pfeiffer have any paper records or electronic records showing from whom he borrowed the money for the bond? That would be a question for Pfeiffer. Okay. Aren't you Pfeiffer? No, I'm Ty. We went over there. Just to interject, Mr. Morris, you didn't notice the deposition of Pfeiffer? No, I didn't. So this would have been a good topic to have put in a 30B6 notice if he could have phoned up on it, but you didn't do that, so he doesn't know. Okay. Who at Pfeiffer would know the answer to that question if not you, sir? Warren Foundation, answer if you can. I can't answer. Well, there's only two people, right? There's you and Reed. As far as I know, I mean, there's somebody that Reed talks with. Okay. Was there a promissory note signed? Warren Foundation, answer if you can. I can't remember. I believe so. Mr. Sisson, I will tell you that I do not believe that any paperwork associated with the bond has been disclosed, and we would ask that that be immediately supplemented. So, Mr. Reitman, with regard to the bond, do you know whether a party other than Reed supplied the money for the bond? I don't know that answer. Did you talk to him about it? Do you know? I can't remember. Do you know how much the bond was? I can't remember how much it was exactly. Tell me generally what you think it was. Over $500,000. Okay. So, you can't recall where $500,000 came from to pay for a bond? That would be a question for VIPER. I can't answer that. That wasn't my question, sir. I'm asking you, Ty Reitman, as a member of VIPER, who is employed by VIPER, if you have no memory of where $500,000 came from to buy the bond. Answer if you can. Sorry, Don. Oh, it's okay. I don't remember how that money got to VIPER. Do you know whether VIPER has to pay any interest on that bond? I believe VIPER pays interest on that bond. Why do you believe that? Because VIPER pays interest on the bond. Or we don't have to. How do you know that? I just know that we're going to have to pay interest on the bond. My brother told me we're going to have to pay interest on the bond. Did he say how much? And then a lot of these things. I believe it's 9%, but I can't – I'm not sure. Do you know who gets the 9%? Whoever loaned the money to VIPER. And you don't know who that is? I don't know for sure who that is. Do you know – I'm not asking you if you know for sure. I'm asking you what your best memory is. As I sit here right now, I can't remember. So you have absolutely no idea on God's green earth where $500,000 came from to bond around the leaves? I know that Reed got the money. I don't know where Reed got the money from. That's not my question to answer. What is Reed's role on a day-to-day basis today with VIPER? I don't know. What does Reed do for a living? Reed is retired for the most part right now. When did he retire? I don't remember. What did Reed do before he retired? He has many different things that he does to earn money. Including? Including real estate and he owns a law firm. So is he a lawyer? He is a lawyer. How long has he been a lawyer? I don't know. Is he an older brother or a younger brother? Younger. How much younger? Two years. Do you know what type of law he practiced? I know his degree was in corporate law. But I don't know enough about law to be able to answer that question accurately. What is the name of the law firm that he owns? Kuzik Law. How do you spell that? I'm guessing here. K-U-Z-I-C? Is he the sole owner of the law firm to your knowledge? I don't know that answer. Does Viper have an operating agreement? I appreciate your form and foundation objections, but I think that it's inappropriate to give the commentary at the end of your objections because it only serves to give him a suggestion as to whether he should or shouldn't remember something. I would appreciate it if you just leave it at form and foundation, please. I understand. That's a fair point. Sir, do you remember my last question? No. Diane, would you please read it back? Sure. Question, does Viper have an operating agreement? I believe so. I am not sure. Does Liberty Car Wash have a separate operating agreement? You know, I don't know. Does the car wash at 1039 Aloha Street in Castle Rock, Colorado? Yes. And does Viper own Liberty Car Wash? Liberty Express Wash, yes. Does it own any other car washes? No. Does it own anything other than Liberty Express Car Wash? No. Let me scratch that. Am I allowed? Do you want to change your answer? Yes. What's the change to your answer? Let me rephrase it to say I don't believe so. As I sit here now, I don't think Viper owns anything other than Liberty Express Wash. Who would know the answer to that if not you? Viper. Who at Viper would know the answer to that if not you? Read. Sir, did you do anything to prepare for your deposition today? I spoke with my lawyers. When did you do that? Yesterday. How long did you do that? I don't know. Did you do it in person? No, I did it on Zoom. Okay. Did you look at any documents? Last night I reread about my old deposition. How long did that take you? Forever. I don't know exactly how many hours, but I know I was reading that stuff until 12, 15 a.m. It's never going to make it onto the New York Times bestseller list, is it? No. Oh, God. That was the deposition that you gave in the Argonaut matter, is that correct? Yes. Where Mr. Dennis Bartlett was asking you questions? Yes. Sir, did you read it all yesterday? I did. Is there anything in that deposition that you thought you said incorrectly? I don't remember. You can't recall anything that you said incorrectly in the deposition you read yesterday? I don't remember. Okay. Opinions or anything that struck you as saying, gee, I wish I could change that? The same question, Stuart. I don't remember. Did you look at any of the exhibits that were referenced in the deposition? To the extent that I know what an exhibit is, not really. I think those are those ones that we read during the deposition. They're documents that you went over in the deposition, and they had blue stickers on them with numbers. Yes. I remember those. During the deposition, I didn't look at them all. No. Okay. Did you look at any of them yesterday? No. Did you look at any documents other than your deposition in preparation for your deposition? I don't know what they were called. So you looked at documents. You just don't know what they were called? Yes. Okay. And what types of documents were they? How would you describe them, if not by title? You know, I don't know. They were stuff that was – oh, they were called interrogatories. Okay. I'm sorry, man. I really just don't know all the legal stuff. All right. So you looked at a series of written questions that were answered in this case. So are those the interrogatories? That's what an interrogatory is. It's a written question that a party answers under oath. I read some of the interrogatories. Were they interrogatory answers of VIPER? Yes. And correct me if I'm wrong, but you were the person that answered those interrogatories under oath for VIPER, correct? I don't know that answer. Okay. Mr. Brightman, what's your highest level of education? I have some college. Define that, please. I took some courses at Pierce College. Where is Pierce College? In California, Los Angeles County. When did you take those courses? Don't know. Long time ago. Well, you would have been in the graduating class of 1983 for high school, correct? 84, I think, but yes. Okay. So did you take the classes sometime after 1984? Yes. Okay. Did you take them before 1990? I don't know exactly. You didn't graduate from high school, as I understand it. Is that correct? That's correct. How many grades did you complete from high school? 11th, and then I took the GED. Did you finish the 11th grade, or did you leave during the 11th grade? You know, I don't remember. When did you take the GED? Don't remember that either. How soon after leaving high school did you take the GED? Don't remember. What caused you to take the GED? I wanted to. Did you need to have the GED in order to go to Pierce College? I don't remember. Condition. What kinds of courses did you take at Pierce College? Biology and Natural History. Anything else? I don't remember. Do you think that it's more likely than not that you only took the two classes? I don't remember. Okay. When did you first become interested in pursuing building a car wash? I don't remember the exact date. I believe it was around 2017. What caused you to become interested at that time? I don't believe that construction is a good business for somebody that's honest. So how does that translate into you becoming interested in a car wash? I needed to do something else. Okay. Did you feel like you had to be dishonest as a contractor? I think that you have to compete with too many people that are dishonest, and I won't be dishonest. I see. And when you were becoming interested in the car wash, you were a contractor of some sort, correct? Yes. And you had a company by the name of Diversified Builders? Yes. What type of construction did you do as Diversified Builders? Residential remodeling. What does that consist of for you? I did anything basically that was, for the most part, on residences. I did some work on commercial when I was with Osprey. And Osprey was a franchise for Servpro, correct? Yes. So when you were doing contracting work, it was under the Servpro name, is that right? During the time that I worked for Osprey, yes. Okay. And when was that? I can't remember the date. Well, give me an idea of the timeline of your work as a contractor. You moved to Colorado in 2012, is that right? No, I moved in December of 2013. Okay. And what were you doing for work in December of 2013? When I first moved to Colorado, I wasn't doing much work at all. I did work at Cabela's for a bit of time to try something fun, and I don't remember when that was. So how long after December of 2013 did it take for you to get into contracting here in Colorado? You know, I don't remember. I worked for a contractor, I think, after Cabela's, and then after that I worked for Servpro, and I don't remember what those dates are. Okay. Do you remember when you stopped working for Servpro? I don't remember exactly when I stopped working for Servpro. I think it was either 2019 or 2020. Okay. What did you do for work when you stopped working for Servpro? I worked for myself. As diversified builders? Yes. How many employees did diversified builders have? I didn't really have any employees. I would work with either subs or people that I know. What do you mean when you say, I would work with subs? Subcontractors. I understand that, but how did that work? Were you the general contractor? Were you working for the subcontractor? Were you working alongside the subcontractor, doing the same scope of work? If you want to stop, I'll answer. I was the general contractor. How did you get your business? Meaning diversified builders? Yes. How did I get that business? I started it. Okay. That's an instance of, if you don't understand my question, I'm perfectly happy to ask it in a different way. But there was also, I will grant you perhaps a poorly phrased question. When diversified builders was getting work done, or when it was getting jobs, how would it go about getting the jobs? Did you advertise? Did you have business cards spread out? What? I got my work from referrals. Were there any particular sources of referrals that you got work from mostly? Different clients and somebody put me on next door a couple of few times, and then I started getting a lot of calls. When did you stop doing work as diversified builders? I don't know the exact date, but I know that once we started the car wash, I didn't do any construction anymore since then. You started the car wash March 19th of 2022, correct? Yes. Prior to that, when was the last time you had a construction project? I can't remember. I was thinking about that. I believe it was 2021. Early 21 or late 21? You know, I can't remember exactly, but I did a few projects before the car wash that were all around the same time frame. Describe what those few projects were. Basements, decks, a roof, some floors. I don't know. When you say basements, do you mean finishing a basement? Yes. How many basements did you finish in 21? I don't remember. When you say decks, do you mean that you built decks? Yes, remove and replace or build new decks. How many of those did you do in 2021? Or repair. I don't remember. When you would do your work, did you have written contracts? To the extent that I know what a contract is, we would have agreements with how much it cost and what the scope of work was. Would that be in writing? Yes. Would you sign it? No, I don't remember. Would your customers sign it? Yes. Why did you have them sign a document showing what work was going to be done and how much was going to be paid? So we were on the same page. Any other reason? It's what you do. When you sign a document, do you read it before doing so? For the most part, I try, but not everything. Do you accept the fact, though, that when you sign a document, it's your responsibility to have read it? I expect the part that I'm supposed to know it. Do you accept or expect that? So for any document that you signed with A.D. Miller, you accept the fact that you're charged with the knowledge of the information contained in those documents? Form Foundation. I don't know how to answer that question. I'm not good with these big, long legal documents. Okay. Why would you sign something if you weren't agreeing to what you were signing? Form Foundation. If I wasn't agreeing to what I signed? If I didn't agree, I wouldn't sign it. Okay. So by virtue of the fact that you do sign something, does that mean you agree to the terms of what you're signing? I might not be fully clear of everything, in which case, if I'm not, I ask for help or I hope that who I'm working with is honest and not taking advantage of my ignorance. And do you accept the fact that you're responsible for knowing what's in a particular document that you signed? Form Foundation. I accept the fact that I do the best I can, Stuart. When you sign a document, do you expect the other party that is a signatory to that document to rely upon your signature as your agreement? Form Foundation. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Sorry. I'm trying to open a document. Would it be a good time for a five-minute bathroom break, Stuart? As if somebody might need a cup of coffee here. Yeah, that's fine. 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There's supposed to be a scratch ground and color coat on top of that. So each of these is on top of foam with just a mesh. And you can put your thumb through it, and I don't like that stuff. Big Horn knew it. The guy that represented Big Horn was out there. Where was the ethos used? On the pop-outs, or the foam trim. And what was discussed about addressing that use? They were supposed to use, and there was other places, too, that was found that was only half-inch thick. And like I said, there's supposed to be quarter-inch scratch, half-inch ground, quarter-inch color. And we found areas of the stucco that was only half-inch thick. So where those areas are, and on the foam, as far as I remember and understand, They were supposed to glue, add fiberglass mesh, and stucco. Was that done? No. Has the stucco that is there, or the system that is there, failed in any way? We already talked about that earlier, and it seems that this is shown in numbers. The area that you discussed was on the north wall. And beyond that description, you didn't provide any of the details there. So forgive me if I can't read your mind. Well, you said that you- Oh, I'm sorry, there wasn't a question there. Who was making the comment? You don't need to respond to it. Rachel, there's a question. Oh, okay. Okay. Do you see under subparagraph B, which is the area we've just been discussing, where it says all items were agreed at this meeting, document attached for exterior completion items, further requests were made by the architect, they are attached here to, one, stucco warranty letters, two, specifications of bump-off mesh, which will be installed by Big Home, three, pictures, invoices for tinting and heating of apps. Do you see the area that I'm referencing there? Yes. Do you know whether AD Miller was allowed to have this work done by VIPER? ADM was always allowed to go there and do it. So there was never a point where VIPER said, don't come back to AD Miller? I never told ADM that they weren't allowed to come back to the job. So it's your testimony, then, that if you could agree, if these things were agreed upon by the architect, that AD Miller could go have this work done today? On the foundation. I don't know how to answer that question. Why not? Well, because today is a different day. And, you know, Big Horn, at least of my experience, they don't do what they're supposed to do. They didn't do the job correctly to begin with. So why wait so much time? Have you done anything to have any repairs done to the car wash? Have I done repairs to the car wash? Have you? Let me be more specific here. Aside from the piping and the concrete repair at the north end of the town, are you aware of anything VIPER has done to make corrections or repairs to any of the construction at the car wash? On the foundation. We had to have Ken Carroll Glass come back and install a new closure on the front door. Anything else? I can't remember. And the closure is the thing that holds the door shut once it's open? Yes. Why did you have to have that replaced by Ken Carroll Glass? On the foundation. Because the door kept opening on its own in any kind of wind, and ADM never fixed it, and I've asked them many times to do it. Did Ken Carroll replace it? Yes. Did they charge you for it? Yes. How much? I can't remember. Did you ask them why are you charging them for this, because it should be under warranty? Why? I believe that it is not warrantied. Why is that? I don't know that answer. Did you have any discussions with anybody about why you had to pay for it? I don't remember. Did you agree with the plan outlined in Exhibit 124? I don't know how to answer that question. Is there anything in Exhibit 124 that you would have disagreed with and said, no, I'm not good with that suggestion? On the foundation. So the scheduling type, I wouldn't agree. The gas line pricing, which is, I can't remember how much it was, $14,000 or something. I can't remember. But I know that it was absurd. And I said something about it. And that was also, I know, I feel it's sort of been in the contract. But I just needed them to give me, you know, truth. And now I don't know. And then, let's see. The NIFTY, how it's supposed to be done correctly, and they said it needed to be done new, it was stuff that was never done. Which, unfortunately, wasn't my question. So my question was, this is a fine-going course. Did you agree that these were reasonable steps to take to address your concerns? On the foundation, I'm not sure if it's my place to agree or not. I just know that it needed to be done correctly, and everything needed to be done. You guys are calling it, in this thing that I read, it says punchless. It's not punchless items. When things are omitted, that's part of scope. So I don't know if I would have agreed to everything there. And I don't remember what the metals were at all. It's still off the record? I have more for Mr. Bortman. What is everybody thinking in terms of monitoring? I'll defer to everyone else. I generally have no preference whatsoever. So you can just consider that I have no opinion whatsoever. Stuart, I was told this would be done by noon, so I've got to make a couple of phone calls to rearrange some things. But as far as lunch, I can get by with ten minutes just to grab a sandwich or something. Okay. I'm with whatever. And he's with Struggle Team. I have no idea what that guy said, but I'm good with whatever you guys want. Okay, a couple of minutes is fine. I basically agree with Ty. I'll talk to you in ten minutes. Yes, I'm fine with whatever you guys decide. Okay. Hi. Nice to meet you. What's your preference, Stuart? Well, I can stick to you, but I want to get to you. Yeah, I have to reschedule something and grab a sandwich. So ten minutes would be good. Okay. Thank you. Sure. See you in ten. Mr. Brightman, I apologize for not introducing myself earlier. Ty, sorry about that. Mr. Brightman, Yes. What was it? Not to be limited to. You just had to go by memory. Like, the retention time? Yes. Okay. Yes. What was it? Not to be limited to. You just had to go by memory. Like, the retention time was not complete. And the step-o was not complete. The waterproofing below the step-o and the lock was not complete, not even done. And the downspout to the gutter that was supposed to go underneath the sidewalk slab on the south elevation by the office was not ever done. The cladding of the knee braces was not done. The TO was not done. Several, the, oh, the threshold on the door upstairs was not done. Then there was a bunch of stuff that was done wrong, but that's all in the engineering report. We're still hoping that somebody can provide the inspection for pictures of the foundation for the monument signs, but that's an ADM thing. There were supposed to be sleeves in the driveway for the trash enclosure, for the chain bolts. They were never done. There were, there's pieces of form or that's in the foundation in certain places on the east end of the driveway that were not removed. Oh, the railing for the upstairs office was never done. Yeah, there might be some other things too that I can't remember right now. So were you reading from a list? No. You just gave all of that from memory? Trying to. What about the retention signs was not done? I can't remember. I saw it in the engineering report. But that's not my expertise. And the stucco, we already talked about it. There were some patches of bare OSB and the three wall fittings that weren't completed. Was there anything else? Yes. The flashing or the penetration of the OSB has to be done with Tyvek. I'm not sure if that's a stucco thing or an ADM thing. The stucco guys, like every stucco guy I've ever worked with in my life, wouldn't move forward if it wasn't proper water safety. And also we have here that there was a electrical conduit that was installed like half in the stucco and half out that they never fixed. Have you done anything to have repairs made to those portions of the stucco yourself? No. Why? Because I think that I wasn't close to without having all the litigation finished. Do you think that having those areas open are subjecting the building to potential damage? On foundation? Virtually, yes. Okay. You choose to leave them open rather than getting them repaired? I think the prior answer really eliminates that. Sir, I'm not asking you about any communications with your lawyer. That's my last question. Do you understand that? Well, hold on. The question, I'm not saying that you specifically asked for communications without attorney-client privilege. I'm saying the answer would include attorney-client privilege information. And in the prior answer you mentioned the litigation. And so it's that the answer would implicate attorney-client privilege. So on that basis, I'm going to chuckle. That's why I'm going to chuckle not to answer. Okay. Is the building now sealed now? No. If anything is being done to obtain one? On the foundation. I have to meet, but do you have to wait? Wait for what? I'm going to just take a couple minutes to answer only the extent you can without revealing any attorney-client communication. So you can answer, Todd, but you don't only ask the things that aren't subject to attorney-client communication. Sure, but I'm not sure if I know how. We have to get the CO, and we have to complete some things to get the CO. And I don't know if I can do that without litigation being done. Have you had any communications with the building department that issued the temporary certificate of advocacy about their view on what it would take to get the permanent CO? Yes. When did you have those conversations? I can't remember the exact date. How long ago? A couple of months ago. What was discussed at that time? What it would take to get a CO. What were you told? We've got to finish the, well, we've got to do six, where there was no water flowing in between that building and stone. We have to finish the siding and the areas of the stone around the windows. We have another handicapped thing for the bathroom. They want it on the wall instead of the door, so they said I can do an additional one. And there's a, I think it's a, well, it's a landscape box, but it's being used as an electrical bulb that was installed incorrectly. They want me to fix. And, no, I can't remember. Oh, I can't remember the rest. Who was the building department told you these things needed to be done? I can't remember the guy's name. Was it in writing? No. Why is it you believe that there was no water flowing down behind the stucco or what? Well, one, you can see OSB. So that's, you're supposed to have the Tyvek, which is in the plan, that's not installed. And another, remember I was telling you about the bubbling of the stucco? That proves that there was no waterproof barrier, whatever it's called. I can't remember. Whatever. That's supposed to be applied over the CMU, the concrete block, and that was never done. How do we know it wasn't done? Stucco shouldn't be bubbling. How do you know that the bubbling has something to do with whether the CMU was sealed with the water-resistant sealant? I remember that the engineering report was saying something to the effect that it wasn't done. Okay. So you don't have any knowledge. You're relying upon your experts for that statement. I am relying on my experts that it wasn't done. And I remember asking Drew a long time ago. He said that he thinks it was done, but he wasn't able to furnish any kind of proof. Do you know how much money Michael is holding in retention presently? Forman Foundation. I can't know. Is he holding any money for retention presently? Forman Foundation. I can't answer for Viper. Sir, you're the one with knowledge. I'm simply asking you, did you know? Forman Foundation. Very nice of you. Who would know the answer to that question for Viper, if not you, sir? Forman Foundation. Also, I'm going to check whether or not my answer on this was a 20-point collision or a fraud. Sir, you already testified that you were the only one that made payments for Viper for this construction project. Isn't that correct? I'm not. Sorry. I was with the architect when he certified this stuff, or we were on the phone together when he had certified things, and then I would sign and send ADM to send it to the bank. Right. And you're the only one at Viper that made the direction to the bank to make those payments, correct? Forman Foundation. I did exactly what I just said I did. I know that, sir. That wasn't my question. That was my question. Don't answer that. It's argumentative and harassing. Sir, who besides you at Viper would have given the bank direction to pay? Forman Foundation. I didn't even answer, sir. I didn't answer. I didn't do it. Did anybody else do it? I didn't. So, what happened for the 47th time is... Sir, you're not answering my question. You just interrupted him. You just interrupted him when he was trying to answer your question. Why don't you answer the question? Go ahead. So, I'm the one who... the architect certified. We both signed something. ADM sends it to the bank to get paid. Is there anyone else besides you that does that function in approving payments for this construction? Forman Foundation. No. Okay. Is there anyone other than you that manages the construction account for Viper? Forman Foundation. There would be a constant. Do you balance the checkbook for the construction account? Forman Foundation. No. Do you monitor how much money is in the construction account? Forman Foundation. No. Do you know whether anyone does? Forman Foundation. Our accountant. Do you know whether anyone is being held to cover the retention for the work that's going on? Forman Foundation. I don't know that answer. Did you ever direct the architectural team to make changes to the project during construction that were not approved by Joppa Rock Building Department? Forman. I can't remember. I don't think so. Did you direct that any changes be made to the exterior of the building? If that was... Did I direct? I think I did. Diane, would you please read back my question? Did you direct that any changes be made to the exterior of the building? Yes. What changes did you direct to make? I wanted the windows to be larger and I wanted to remove what I call an eyebrow. That was a radius piece on the left elevation. That would have been a new way of going through windows. Were change orders submitted for those changes? Yes. And why did you delay in approving them? I didn't. I assume after they were submitted that you approved them. Why? Probably immediately. Did you ever scream or yell during that? Not that I'm aware of. You've never been involved in the construction of any other town hall, is that correct? Yes, that's correct. Were you aware of any civil design elevation issues or problems that affected the site and impacted ADA issues of curb elevation? Yes. And who is responsible for that design? That design was done improperly. My question was for the civil design issues. And you said yes. Do you want to change that testimony? Civil design, yes. And I do want to change that testimony. So your testimony is that you were not aware of any civil design elevation issues or problems that affected ADA and curb elevation and other slopes. So, yes, Stuart, I don't know how to answer that question. There's a sidewalk in front of the building that was installed wrong or finished wrong because it was a slope. I don't think it's supposed to be able to do slope more than 2%. So they rounded it off. And I believe that was something to do with the elevation of the foundation or something where the front door was or the building foundation. And it was the sidewalk came out 3 feet or so, give or take. And then it had a 6-ton radius downward, which was one of the issues. And I can't remember the other one. The car wash equipment and the installation of those components. Who was responsible for doing that? Foundation. Car wash experts. Who hired car wash experts? Viper. And did Viper pay car wash experts directly? Foundation. Car wash experts got paid using some kind of pay app. Same thing through ADM, I believe. I can't remember how it works. What evidence or proof do you have that car wash experts get paid through ADM? Foundation. I can't answer that. I don't know. So you don't have any evidence that ADM paid car wash experts at any time? Actually? There should be something with Viper. I don't know. Car wash experts got paid. Okay. Was there a time where you were requested not to attend in-person meetings? Oh, I don't know. I don't recollect. So you don't recall any time where you were asked not to attend in-person meetings because of your behavioral concerns and unprofessional conduct? Not that I'm aware of. Nobody ever told you? Already answered the question. Were you aware of any self-contractors that refused to return to the project due to the unprofessional way that you treated them? No, not that I'm aware of. Okay. Were you denied swimming workers from self-contractors? Yeah. Did you ever try to direct the self-contractors on how to do their work? No. Do you know who Anthony was? I know Anthony. He was a lead tech for the car wash equipment? He wasn't a tech. What was he? Sales guy. Okay. Did he work for car wash experts? Yeah. Do you know what happened to him? He quit. Do you know why he quit? Yes. Why? He got a better job offer. It wasn't because of the way you were treating him? No. How do you know that? Well, because we get along. Have you spoken to him since he quit? I have. Where is he now? He works for Sunny's. Doing what? Car wash stuff. What is Sunny's? What is Sunny's? Yes. Is there a manufacturer of car wash equipment? Does your company ever submit invoices to the lender? Be more specific. You mean diversified builders? Yes. Were you aware that the invoices you submitted to the lender were two to four hundred times the cost that were quoted by ADM? One hundred. ADM had, they were never contracted to do some of the stuff that I did. What stuff did you do that ADM was not contracted to do? If I remember correctly, the cabinet, countertops, base molding, stairs, trims, and we did the sidewalk extensions for the base station. We repaired and we extended a little retaining wall for, that was an extra, but for requested and ADM wanted eighty something hundred dollars for it. And we did it for twenty five hundred dollars. Anything else? I can't remember. So that, the retaining wall is an instance where ADM gave an estimate to do a certain type of work that wasn't in the original contract, right? Yes. Were you aware of whether ADM offered to, or quoted to do the work that you described earlier, the cabinet, countertops, et cetera? Chairman? You know, I can't remember. Were you aware of whether town architecture ever removed an approval to a change order? I can't remember. Do you know whether town architecture approved the change order for the extension? I can't remember. If they did approve it and you didn't say it, what would be the reason for that? I can't remember. When the concrete repairs were being conducted, Did you have any discussions with anyone at AD Miller about doing those repairs? Yes. Who? I believe I talked to Drew about it. And I don't remember who else. If there was somebody else. Did Drew tell you that he actually had CalSetters on their way to make the repairs? No. Okay. So you're saying that it didn't happen, that CalSetters was on its way to make the repairs, and you told AD Miller not to allow them to go. Um, We're talking about the brick in-wall and the sidewalk. Is that what you're talking about? No, sir, I'm talking about the 1,800 square feet of jade array that was done. No, I never told Drew that he couldn't come. Drew had a guy that said he worked for Drew that wanted to do the repair, but he said he was just going to saw cut around the manifold and break it out, and that was not proper repair. What was the proper repair? Proper repair was going to be replacing all that cement and the hydronic lines, and you would have to drain the hydronic system, the snow melt system of glycol, before you would cut. Then you would cut, no matter where it was. If you were going to cut through hydronic lines, the system has to be drained, then the concrete has to be cut, removed, and then it has to be jack-hammered out approximately 24 inches past the saw cut, so you can expose the hydronic lines, clean them, cap them, well, clean them, and make sure that you cut back enough where none of the concrete debris from breaking it out would still be in those lines that would circulate through the system and damage it. And is it your testimony that A.D. Miller did not agree to do that sort of work? Yes. And what did you base that upon? Their employee telling me that's not the way they were going to do it. And their employee being Drew Miller? It wasn't Drew. It was some guy that said he worked for Drew. Like I said, I can't remember. Do you have an address for Nick Somerville? No. Do you have a phone number for him? No. Did he apply for unemployment? I don't know. You fired him from the part, right? On a number? It was mutual. Could he have come back if he wanted to? On a work day? Yeah. No. Okay. So you don't recall getting an employment notice for him? On a foundation? No. Were you present in the process of a board overview of hydromethy? There were multiple boards. And the answer to my question is? There were multiple boards. Were you present during any board where the hydromethy was being held? Yes. Did you ever stop anybody and say, that's not being done correctly? No. Did you ever observe it being done incorrectly? I don't know. In your deposition in the federal case, you were asked about whether the snow melt system ever failed to melt snow and you said several times. Do you recall that? Yeah. And do you know when those several times were? No. Do you know how many severals? Many. Why didn't you say many and you said several? Because that was the word that I chose to use. So was there a difference in your mind between several and many? It's subjective. What's the difference? Several might be many, many might be several. More than three. Okay. Were they all within the same year? No. So three or more times over the last three years the snow melt didn't melt? More than three. How much snow are we talking about? I can't answer that. I don't know. It didn't melt snow. You said that you thought the color on the table was the thermostat wire too close to the actual radiant tubing within the concrete. Do you recall saying that? Thought, yes. Thinking. Okay. That's my question for you. Is that still your belief? Yes. What do you base that on? Because we can't figure out why the snow melt system wouldn't be operating and what we think is maybe because the thermostat wire is too close to a hydronic tube. I believe the manufacturer set out that it's supposed to be ten inches away or something to that effect of any hydronic tube. If it's too close to that tube, I am assuming, I don't know, I'm not a hydronic expert, that the thermostat wire would, you know, feel that the system was warm enough to where it would shut off. I know that the hydronic tubing is supposed to be two inches from the surface of the slab and I know it was all over the place. Sometimes it was five inches deep, sometimes it was on the ground, and sometimes it's a quarter inch deep. Well, if you knew that, why didn't you say something to somebody about it? You don't find out until you start. When we did the repair, the 1800 square feet, that's when we saw a lot of variation in the hydronic tubing and also, later on, that you guys are aware of, there was a piece of hydronic tubing that was actually exposed in the driveway that we had to cover with a piece of metal tubing. We became aware of this. I saw it. I contacted my attorneys. My attorneys contacted the engineers and I believe your engineers as well, or ADM people as well. So, on November 1st, 2004, you were asked whether you would ever check to see whether you could turn the snow melt system on manually without ripping yourself. Do you recall that? I don't remember, but that is a great thing. I do remember during our competition, those guys said something about it, and I forgot. Since that time, have you done anything to check whether you can turn it on manually? No, like I said, I forgot. It's supposed to... So, since November 1st, 2004, you've not done anything to determine whether you can turn the snow melt system on manually? Yes. Okay. Mr. Bultman, subject to the areas that your attorney wouldn't let you answer, I don't have any more questions for you. Yes. Anybody else have questions? We do not. No? Okay. None for Aaron either. Dan, Lucas, did you want a copy of this? Yeah, I do want to know what they mentioned. Okay. So, you have both extensive and electronic exhibits, standard, you know, whatever. Sure. And Alexandra? Featured surplus exhibits, please. Is there any kind of hearing date or trial date coming up on this? Yeah. Yeah. It is... It's a job. August 26th. Okay. You'll have to transfer it way before then. Okay. Diane and I... And as far as the exhibits, oh, Aaron, did you have something to say? Yeah, we'll... Ruben O'Quillen will be getting e-trans and exhibits as well. I'll send you my email address in the chat. Okay, thanks. Of course. I don't know who's better to send the exhibits to. Do you have them all, the ones that we used? Do you mean the federal ones and the newly marked ones? Only if you want me to have the federal ones. I can just mark them as, you know, I can just put them in the indexes previously marked. If you could just send me a list of them. Okay. Okay, I can do that. Because I didn't... I know what 123 and 124 are. Yeah. And I'll send those to you. 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