Parallels of Pacific Islander and Southeast Asian Communities

Drew, a Samoan and Tokelauan educator, is a guest on a podcast about higher education. He talks about his experiences as a Pacific Islander growing up in San Francisco and the importance of community. He also discusses his identities as a cisgender man and person of color. Drew reflects on the challenges of navigating educational spaces as a Pacific Islander and the need for representation and community support. He shares his journey of reconnecting with his Tokelauan roots and the impact it has had on his identity. Welcome to our first ever podcast, Conversations Underneath the Sugar Palm Trees, Wayfinding Higher Education. We have a special guest today, Drew, just wanted a welcome to the space. Andrew Van Vy, also known as Drew, is a Samoan and Tokeloan educator from San Francisco, California. He represents the village of Ofu in Fiji, Uta in American Samoa, as well as the island of Saka, Ofu in Tokelau. He holds a Master's degree in Ethnic Studies from San Francisco State, where his thesis focused on the experiences of Pacific Islander men in community college. Drew is currently a faculty in the Ethnic Studies Department at Chippewa College, where he teaches the first course focused on Pacific Islander's ethnic studies. When he is not teaching, he is supporting students as an advisor, working alongside the Nisian Unite Learning Community at Chabot. He also runs a peer mentoring program called Student Supporting Students at City College of San Francisco. Beyond the realms of academia, Drew is an established writer who has taught and performed poetry across the world. Much of his work centers on being a Pacific Islander and growing up in San Francisco. As Drew would say, none of this is possible without community. Right on, man. Welcome, welcome, welcome. I appreciate you, Jeremy. Yeah. Yeah, man. You're official Samoan in Tokelau, man. Yeah, man. I've been learning Fijian. Yeah. I've been working with Kota Pate. Yeah, man. Professor Kota Pate. Yeah. Just listening on Spotify and learning how to say Bulimanaka. Bulimanaka. Yeah. I love how to say Sotokale, which is Fiji letter. Yeah. Yeah. Which is one of my favorite phrases in Fijian. Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully I get to that stage. That's what's up. Right on, man. That's much... As somebody who's not even Fijian, I appreciate that. Yeah. That's really cool. And I know Kota Pate really appreciates that as well. Yeah. Right on. It's been a journey for sure. It's just trying to work together in community and solidarity and how that looks like in theory, but also in practice and with the respect of the work that he's doing. Yeah. I'm happy that you're here. Yeah. To kind of talk a little bit about kind of like the Pacific Islander community and maybe having some parallels. Yeah. So tell me a little bit about yourself, like what are the identities you personally carry? Right. And how does it play in the role that you're currently in, in higher education? Definitely. Definitely. So, well, I mean, you've heard it in my bio, but it's also really important for me. It's like I do carry being a Pacific Islander, like heavily, you know what I'm saying? Like specifically Samoan and Tokelauan. And Tokelauan being more recently. It's been something that I've always known, but I never really had context behind it. So it's even more important, like where last year I had an opportunity to connect with my family, my Tokelauan family that lives in New Zealand. And it's just, you know, now it's just, I'm Samoan and Tokelauan, you know what I'm saying? Just finally being able to build that bridge. Also, the other identities that I carry is I also identify as a cisgender man. Like my pronouns are he, him. And I identify as a person of color and from the city of San Francisco. Yeah. So going up to San Francisco, what were some of the kind of experiences you had going up? Yeah. I'm sorry. Do you want to elaborate a little bit? Yeah. So like, you know, being a person of color in the San Francisco Unified School District, how your identity shows up in that space. Yeah. Because identity for me, I didn't really figure that out until maybe sophomore in high school. Yeah. You know, talking about like my identity, the Cambodian history of like the genocide that happened in like 1974, 1979, which my dad was a part of. So like, it was kind of like relearning like who I was versus like what I was being taught in school, which was really like Eurocentric or Western. Totally. Westernized kind of education. So how did that show up for you? Yeah. I would say, yeah, very similar. And I would think like, especially like, I think we're around the same age for the most part. So like our upbringings are pretty, or like the communities that we come across in places like Oakland and San Francisco is super diverse. Right. So like you're dealing with like black folks, Latin folks, Southeast Asian folks, predominantly Filipino in like in San Francisco. But then also like, you know, living in like a heavily populated with Chinese representation over there. So yeah, you know, like it's common where you're like growing up in San Francisco where your favorite food is like Mexican food. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And you understand what dumplings are. You know what I'm saying? Like you live in this like super diverse area where like that's just the norm. You know what I'm saying? You think like it's, you think it's, yeah, it's normal to come across different communities throughout your years like within San Francisco and just be unfazed by it for the most part. And I think just like similar what you were talking about was like, yeah, I wasn't really, I was going through a lot of stuff leading up to my teenage years in high school, but it wasn't really like really naming like being Pacific Islander. In this case, in San Francisco, there's a heavily, there's a heavy Samoan population over there. And so by the time I got to high school, I went to one of the high schools that had one of the bigger populations of Samoans, right? So it was really cool to know that like every year that I was in grade school and high school, like I had about like 10 to 20 Pacific Islanders like in each of my classes. So there was definitely a reassurance of like my identity within those spaces, but in terms of like navigating like educational spaces or being academically successful as Pacific Islanders, that's a totally different story. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even in higher education now when people talk about like historically marginalized communities or underrepresented minorities, I didn't know what that meant in high school. Yeah. Like being first gen, going to EOP, having like this imposter syndrome and going to college where like, you know, my experience was 70% Caucasian. Right. And trying to find community. Even in my high school or even like middle school, it was like, yes, there was like a Cambodian population. Right. But it was like a small population. Wow. From my experience. They were my friends. Yeah. Like, oh, but there was like, I can say like five other Cambodian folks I was hella cool with. Yeah. But they had challenges growing up and like not many of them went to college. Yeah. Right. And that's like from my experience. Yeah. Going up in San Francisco, like being in your household, you know, how was that like being, you know, your identity and how that showed up with you being an adolescent to a teenager? Yeah. Like, so like, I think you, we're like hungry for it. You know what I mean? Well, I was, I always reflect back on times like interacting with my parents. The majority of the time my parents weren't home when I, when I was at home. They were like working like nine to five jobs. And the only time I had a chance to see them like was all, was over the weekends. And even for like a few hours for the most part. So culturally we're like hungry for our first generation born in the United States. So I understand that I'm someone based on how I look. But if you ask me how to speak the language, especially during that time or any knowledge of my, of my culture, like it was really like unknown. And just because we didn't have access to it. And then when we did have access to it, talking to my parents, it was literally like, well, teach yourself. You know what I'm saying? We're like, cause our parents, or my parents were like, my assumption is like, I'm tired. And I don't have enough time to teach you. So how come you just don't teach yourself? And they have other reasons why they, they don't want to do it. But it was really just like a strong want to learn, but never really having direct access to it. But being also racialized through my experiences as someone, right. You know what I'm saying? So like people had an identity, had an idea of what we look like and had an idea of how we acted. And that was kind of like how society developed my meaning of what it meant to be someone. Yeah. Yeah. It was like going up to like within my family house. It was like my mom, my dad, and my sister, who's like two years younger than me. But we were growing up in a household with other family members. Like when my dad, you know, when he immigrated here, he came with like a duffel bag, just like a diaper, with like his sister and her husband and like aunt, you know, cousin and all that. But they lived in a small apartment in San Pablo for a bit. And then, you know, moving over to Oakland and whatnot, it's where I was like, I've always had cousins around me. Yeah, totally. You mentioned about, you know, no one being at home to take care of you. That's so true with me too, because I remember my dad and my mom would go out working and it would just be us, me and my sister. Or like, let's say, you know, my sister's at my cousin's house or whatnot, I'm at home alone. It was don't open the door for anyone. Right. And I remember my mom, you know, my dad was like, put a post-it note on the TV because he knew I was going to open the TV. Who's on the fridge? You know, don't open the door for anyone. We'll be back home later. Yeah. So that was like our babysitter. That's right. Like the TV, staying home, being around with family. Dude, I will feel that, man. Like, I just remember like getting off at the bus stop, walking home, and then my mom saying, call me when you get inside the house. Don't answer the door. But also kind of like riffing off of what you were saying. Like, I can tell like culturally, like one of the things that stand out is like our house was like always crowded. Right. You know what I'm saying? We were like, so my mom moved from Samoa and then automatically like lived with her auntie who became her mom in the mid-70s. And so culturally, like it was just normal to have like a house that you lived in. But because it was such a big space like for Pacific Islanders, it was just normal for us to have 10 to 20 people in and out of like the house. So like that was definitely like, even though my parents weren't home, like I also had this experience of like living in a four-bedroom house where like on a daily it was like 30 people in and out of that house. Right. And then like living and then normalizing. So I lived in a room, but then as I got older, I moved to the garage. So like every room that we had in that house like was turned into a room. You know what I'm saying? So there was no wasted space in regards to like the household that I grew up in. I was, so interesting you said that because I was raised with seven girl cousins. Yeah. And my sister. And a part of me, you know, I kind of considered them as my sisters as well. Yeah, yeah. Because like I can't recall like having issues with, you know, having that one bathroom. Yeah. Living in a house that was like nine, ten people. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Right? And it's like, damn, how did we do that? Yeah. Because like when you're like younger and you're a kid, you don't realize that until you reflect on it. And I just reflected on that. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't thought about that. I was like. Yeah. Damn. It kind of informed the way that I, my perspective around the world. Yeah. And like seeing how the immigrant experience within our respective family. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Kind of shows up in the place that we live in. Definitely. And then now we're living with, you know, with our own families or with our partners or with our, you know, with ourselves and how that shows up. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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